lol at "10, maybe twelve troops in the back." I have become intimately acquainted with 20+ other Marines in the back of one of those MTVRs. The Corps is, shall we say, very efficient with available space.
@@diltzm you guys called them 7tons?? We called them MTVRs. I remember seeing them uparmored going through fallujah and Ramadi in 05-06. Uparmored meaning any available metal plates being welded together. Lol
I have a 1989 Toyota landcruiser with 35’s and lockers I have dust bronco and jeep that where bigger . computer +off road = problems I have seen a lot of computer go out on jeeps off road
This is cool to see. I drive the MTVR on a daily basis as an instructor in the Marine Corps. C12 Catepiller with 420 hp and 1550 TQ. There's also our 10X10 version called the LVSR that is very, very capable.Overall great video TFL!!!
I learned on the MTVR, original lvs with the screaming 8v92. As capable as they are it doesn't take much to get them stuck. Also Oshkosh uses that Tak4 suspension in their pierce fire trucks, along with the rear steering from the lvsr and the "command zone" screen in their fire trucks. Although most pierce fire trucks have solid drive/tandem rear axels.
Years ago my Corvette Club was invited to tour the "Tank Museum" in Woodside Califonia....The founder imported a SCUD Missle Launcher....When US Customs found the radar & telemetry activated upon arrival into the USA....The political connections and lawyers were deployed to make it happen....I decided I'd never want to have a hobby that required the use of a lawyer....Joked about it to my wife & friends😁
From what I understand, the MTVR has only been showing up in the surplus market fairly recently, and a number of those showing up have considerable wreck or other mechanical damage. Still, if one can find a relatively undamaged one, the prices they go for at auction are not as high as one might think--probably considerably less than that Bronco costs. Earlier this year, I did see a "civilian-owned" MTVR chugging down the highway--it was running at about 60 mph. Of course, the military truck folks never like to talk about it and tick off the enviro-nuts, but military (and ex-military) trucks like the MTVR are not required to meet EPA emission standards, so they are devoid of all that emission-control junk.
Love the MTVR, drive them every day. Side note, the MODE button on the transmission controller does not control the diff locks. The switch in the center of the dash can control the three diff locks. It turns on the PTO for the winch or dump bed. Since that cargo truck doesn't have a winch, it does nothing.
That all depends on what you have it connected to, and what you program it to do. In our two LMTV troop carriers, the mode button locked the center diff. But you can have it do multiple things (up to three if I remember correctly), as I mentioned, depending on what's wired in. So, theoretically, if you also had lockers on the front and rear diffs (going with the LMTVs I had, but they only had a center diff lock), you would hit mode twice (holding it down on the second click) to lock, we'll go with the rear diff this time, and three times for the front. If the light on the top left of the button turns on, then you did it right lol. It's not nearly as complicated as I've made it sound, I just suck at describing how to do things 🤦🏼😂.
I drove the MAN KAT1 in 4x4, 6x6 and 8x8 when I was in the German Military. They are really bad on fuel, but so capable offroad, especially the 6x6 version. Also worth mentioning, not only are they all mechanical, the engine is air cooled, so no coolant! And the transmission is a 6 speed manual with a dry clutch, but it also has a torque converter. So the indestructability of a manual, but with the benefit of a torque converter for offroading. They now get used a lot as RVs going to Africa into the desert. Very cool to see one of my old work trucks at TFL!! Thanks for sharing that Andre!
Thank you for telling us the technical side that is really cool how they put a torque converter on a manual transmission very clever. I like the idea how it has no computers. Nothing but a pain in the ass. When you’re doing serious off Roadin you need things that you can fix yourself.
This is actually a derivative called the "kat2" made for the us military as a pershing 2 tractor, wrecker and i think some other uses. Its got a watercooled v10 and can easily be identified by its grill
I know it is cheesy and cliche, but I really am thankful for all you guys and girls that have protected us and the ones that continue to protect us. We don't show it enough.
Its correct name is actually MAN 10to mil gl; mil gl meaning: militarised off-road. Its widely known as MAN KAT1 8x8, KAT is the german abbreviation for category, 1 says it can follow tanks off road. I hope that answers the question. Keep those videos going Greetings from Germany
@@the_retag schade, dass die SX serie eingestellt wurde, weil das Verteidigungsministerium zu geizig war. Jetzt is das neue Teil nur noch ein glorifizierter Man TGA
@@the_retag immerhin gibts immer neue Unimogs und der gepanzerte Zetros is auch nich von schlechten Eltern. Aber der Gl ist und bleibt das geilste was ich jeh gefahren bin ^^
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The best "offroader" I have driven was when I was in logging and spent two summers driving a skidder. 30,000lbs, articulated, 48" tires and wheels weighted with 100 gallons of water each (adding below axle weight), 140hp six cylinder turbocharged diesel, hydraulic brush blade up front, 50,000lbs hydraulic winch in the back with 75' of 3/4" winch line. If it was outfitted with diamond chains all the way around, there were very few places it couldn't go. Side-hilling was its one weakness, but then you are ruling out all wheeled vehicles and into tracked vehicles.
I drove the 7 ton MTVR in the Corps 20 years ago. Always blew my mind how capable and easy to drive it was and I can only recall one situation of seeing someone get it stuck (they let the weight transfer to one side in coastal black sand). It puts a smile on my face to see the civilian world finally meet this monster! Having one of my own will always be a dream of mine.
The Oshkosh truck has the same turning issues as the GMC CCKW trucks of WWII, as a consequence of its short wheelbase. I ran a prize shoot for 14 years (here in NZ) and one attendee was an elderly farmer with extensive experience of GMCs. He said that the 6x4 versions were useless when it rained because they would not turn on the grass, they would just keep going straight ahead. The best known GMC CCKW in New Zealand is possibly the truck with a wide cab created from two original cabs so that the owner could fit a Chevrolet 327 V8. His truck uses significantly less fuel than the original ohv 6 cylinder version.
Unbelievable. Sweet video!! Just awesome! Ford Bronco is a beast! Most people don't know is that the US military has tested things long before civilians see it on vehicles...such as lockers, independent suspension, GPS navigation etc... US military has 30-40 years advanced technology into the future! Lockers make a huge difference. It's why I replaced the factory front clutch limited slip with a Detroit locker on my 22 F350 tremor 6.7. Detroit locker is superior to even the Truetrac
A noob here. Could you please explain in which way one locker may be better than the other? I get why a locking diff is better than an LSD but don't all lockers do the same simple job?
@@ldmtag in terms of which axle is better to lock (talking in regular 4x4 relm here) it's depatable which axle it better to lock, the majority lock the rear first becuase then you don't lose as much maneuverability when steering or have nearly as much conserns with breaking something when getting turning on a bigh traction surface as the front axle. For lockers, you really have 2 types of "locker", one that solidly locks ip the axle and prevents the 2 wheels on that axle from spinning at different rates, and limited slip differentials (lsd's) which limit, but don't stop the wheels turning at different rates (this is what a lot of offroad traction controls try to emulate using the abs system). Hope that makes things clearer. Ask away if you want to know more
@@Nesten321 appreciate you doing a lot of writing but I'm afraid that's not what I asked. As you probably didn't notice I mentioned LSD in my comment. I know what differential lock does, I know there's LSD, and I know there's electronics that brakes the spinning wheel. I even know the correct torque distribution - something most car people get wrong: 50:50 for open diff, dynamic distribution to the wheel with more traction when the diff is locked. What I asked is why the guy chose that specific type of locker. I know what locker does but I don't know what it's made of and how exactly it locks the axles together. That's why I don't know which type of locker is more reliable, operates quicker, can lock at high speeds, etc.
@@ldmtag What probably wasn't clear in my previous comment is that regular locking diffs are prefered for lower speed offroading where as a lsd is prefered for higher speed stuff and performance applications. Either can be tougher in each the application that they are made for.
Also lsds and electronic traction control systems are similar in that they both don't offer perfect 50/50 tourque distribution (think of some high performans awd cars that have a 60/40 power split front to back, i belive that is done with a lsd in the transfer case) (lockers are either open when disengaged or a fixed 50/50 torque split when engauged where as lsds are always active and only limit slip, not prevent it.
Maybe you should check out current military vehicles like the Oshkosh's JLTV. That replaced the HUMVEE. Oshkosh also builds a variety of other off-road vehicles ranging from fire trucks for airport to military heavy trucks, including an 8x8.
Very few off-roaders come with the ability to brute force your obstacle by not only going over it, but completely removing it from existence without demolishing your rig. Loved seeing that 8x8 do its thing!
Defiantly one of my favorite episodes. Huge trucks off road and no Roman. Driving either the 6x6 or 8x8 looks like so much fun. I want to see an episode featuring a turbo MAN KAT in the future.
We have a 10x10 at our outfitters camp which is an ex military truck. Huge winch on front. We use it to pull moose out of woods after somebody shoots one. They go anywhere.
I own a few 6x6 military trucks and a HEMTT 8x8 M977 and I run with a group of guys who have more or less the same vehicles I have, it always interesting when we run on our trails and YES the ruts are deep easily 2 to 3 feet deep and virtually every time we will have somebody with a civy 4 wd pickup or what ever want to drive with us and they usually make it about 5 feet and they are hung up we will always throw them a line once and then we are on our way and hopefully they have learned a bit more about their vehicle!
Great video. Unfortunately, the Bronco is nearly impossible to get for many long time reservation holders. Ford's dealer allocation formula for 2022 prioritizes large volume dealers over customer reservations. Ford has all but abandoned their commitment to deliver reservations before dealer stock. For customers that reserved at smaller dealers who have fully embraced the Bronco, it will take years for them to get a delivery.
@@buckhorncortez Unlike many others, I'm not complaining about the overall delays that are impacting just about everyone. Just asking that Ford honor their original commitment to reservation holders.
@@MikeJones-bk6sy Dude, get it through your head, it ain't easy for anyone at this moment, they are selling Broncos, how they are doing it is the way they can, asking for more is simply complaining just to complain because literally nobody has it easy, i myself right now should be doing internship and working and studying for school, but guess how hard it is to find a job that will accept you in all the crap that's going on. It's bad in general, at least they make an effort.
Leave the winch and build a full cabover rv body with slide outs and a roof top dining, observation, living area, motorcycle lift on the back, and the roof top doubles as somewhere to put the speed boat and canoes, and I think we are starting to get somewhere, just need the lotto win !!☺.
7 tons were the best vehicles to drive for a convoy. Faster than humvees, quieter, a power port, more room, and working AC on the armored version or big crank windows. I miss feeling like the king of the road
Military trucks seem to be very overbuilt for their purpose in order to enable high speeds off road without breaking suspension components. They're able to use momentum to just power through and over obstacles. For example, a lot of military Hummers carry just 4 soldiers and their gear, but they have a heavy duty 2500 pound cargo capacity.
This is actually funny! That Bronco "may" go to some of the places those military vehicles go but it won't last. It will break very quick. Keep the Bronco in the mall. Note to myself: "DO NOT BUY A BRONCO!"
This is an awesome video. Really cool to see the big military trucks offroading next to a street vehicle. It would be really neat to see your new Tundra SR5 TRD off-road on this course and see how far it could go.
HOA hated my M1078. I didn’t turn one of my side fences into a full gate and definitely didn’t didn’t park it behind my house so you couldn’t see it from the street.
In Snowrunner for some nonsense of a reason no small scout vehicles can keep up with even the road-biased big trucks. Fleestar even on street tires is so much more confident that the starter scouts they give you.
Power Wagon, Rubicons and ZR-2 all have front and rear lockers. But sure, compare the SUV in an unrealistic series against military vehicles....makes sense