Can the V100 Mandello S really compare to the Yamaha Tracer 9 GT?

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If you put the Moto Guzzi V100 Mandello S next to the Yamaha Tracer 9 GT, you would never believe that they have so much in common. After all, both are aimed at riders who also value the sporty character of the bike when touring - just in very different ways! But which one does it better?
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@chrissunde1104 7 месяцев назад

I don't think you mentioned the Guzzi's drive shaft as a desirable advantage.

@simonlangmead7 6 месяцев назад

Yes, they always never mention the drive shaft advantage. The less I have to do with maintenance the better. All those aerosol cans of chain lube and chain clean really ad up in running costs. You should lube the chain every 300 kilometres (200 Miles) In the distance time of doing one oil change, (10,000 kilometres) you’ll have to lube the chain 33 times. The Guzzi also has a centre stand available that the Yamaha doesn’t. Certain tasks are made easier with that on the bike. We don’t just ride, we have to live with the bike in cleaning and maintaining it.

@markellott5620 6 месяцев назад

@@simonlangmead7 That's interesting about the centre stand I had a 2019 Tracer GT and it came with one. This fashion for not having a centre stand is a pain for cleaning and chain maintenance. While I still have chain drive bikes, for long distance hauling, the shaft on the Guzzi is one less thing to worry about on the road, so that's my first choice for a tour - plus it's great for carrying a passenger and luggage.

@Ed-lz4jv 4 месяца назад

I have chain drive BMW f750 GS, never again will i buy a chain drive, I like Shaft, and I clean chain every 1000 miles no need for 200 mile...thats BS, Still we need MORE mid size bikes with SHAFT DRIVE

@Ed-lz4jv 4 месяца назад

@@simonlangmead7200 miles NOT NEEDED at all,

@markellott5620 4 месяца назад

@@Ed-lz4jv On balance, I prefer a shaft - especially when touring. One less thing to bother with. However, I realised that only having shafties, I was limiting myself. There are some very desirable bikes out there and I wanted a taste, so I live with the inconvenience of a chain. I still have the shaft drive for the long distance trips.

@Boxer1250RT 7 месяцев назад

That Yamaha is one Fugly bike. On the other hand, the Guzzi is Gorgeous from every angle. Stunning design with full of options plus Brembos, Shaft Drive, Stunning Wheels and Ohlins.

@Original21panos 7 месяцев назад

You are drunk?

@dfp8813 7 месяцев назад

I think the same. Don't like the design of tracer

@basdebruin2355 6 месяцев назад

Being a Guzzi fanatic, what ever you like the most, it always is a fact of comparing apples with pears. I like apples, I go for apples, I like pears, I go for pears. If you take a look at the way Guzzi did the trick with the cilinders and turned the cilinderheads 90 dregs and so the exhausts is spot on. For me, it is absolute a headturner, where the Yamaha, for me, is more or less, an other among many others(but for the price difference you can do quite some km’s more). To send me on a holiday on this one isn’t a punishment). Give me the Guzzi is a festival. The braking power of the Guzzi’s (Brembo) is always a very strong point of all disk- brake Guzzi’s. For me personally, I didn’t miss all electronic extras till so far, I think I won’t miss the at all. Thank you for this video, it made me think again. 👍

@kenneth61 6 месяцев назад

When you go out for a spin and look at your bike like your wife, there is a clear winner here.

@carloslatorre8361 7 месяцев назад

Excellent comparison, very good work, how beautiful Barcelona, Catalonia

@gapper3 7 месяцев назад

Many comments about Guzzi's supposed reliability... Have you owned one ? I think that major manufacturers, these days, all have high quality standards. I've owned a V100S for about 10k kms and only did scheduled maintenance. I also have a 2019 V9 Bobber Sport and never had anything fail on it. I agree with the two criticisms of the reviewer for the Mandello but if you can afford it I can't imagine anyone picking the Tracer on performance and looks alone.

@markellott5620 6 месяцев назад

People like to cling to outdated myths. Back in the seventies and eighties, they may have had a point. Not today, though. Actually, I disagree with the reviewer on the two criticisms. The mode switch is right where you want it and is easily reached. The quickshifter is no more clumsy than any big twin - best used through the higher gears. I found the same with BMWs.

@gapper3 6 месяцев назад

@@markellott5620 Agreed with the mode switch. Can't believe that this is a complaint. About the quickshifter, dunno... Seems to me that it's tuned to work properly only under very hard acceleration. Used that way, it's fine, just not very useful in daily driving. Just wish it had more of a sweet spot.

@markellott5620 6 месяцев назад

@@gapper3 I only ever use a quick shifter under brisk acceleration anyway. For day to day riding, I manually change with the clutch. If I'm carrying a passenger, then it's definitely the clutch.

@dstjepan 7 месяцев назад

Does Tracer also have such a “light” front? Almost no feedback comparing to i.e. Griso 12008V

@markellott5620 6 месяцев назад

I've owned the previous version of the Tracer GT and now have the Guzzi. I'm not sure that you can compare them. The Tracer is a semi adventure styled machine while the Guzzi is a traditional sport tourer. One is a triple, the other is a V twin and one has a shaft drive. One has a flavour that the other lacks. I'll take the Guzzi every time.

@AuxesisHyperbole666 6 месяцев назад

The Yamaha looks top heavy in these clips, weaving about in the bends where the Guzzi carves out a line more stably. Maybe that's the wider tyres or shorter stature or steering geometry.

@IanTed 14 дней назад

Strange comparison, they are such different bikes just in the engine performance, the finish of the Guzzi is in a different league. I’d have the Guzzi every time but then I ride a lovely Multi V2S..

@m4ci3j72 14 дней назад

Yamaha is a great bike overall but it lacks style a bit comparing to v100. I did a test ride and there is everything you would expect from a mid segment sport tourer. V100 is a totally new platform so you can't expect that everything will be refined and absolutely no issues. Still if you buy one with warranty it should be a safety net for most of them. Take look at new GS1300, also new platform and amount of issues is quite overwhelming especially if you think how older GSes are praised by they owners. I bought v100 cause I like the italian design. If you don't care about it so much then go for yama.

@glencavers1839 5 месяцев назад

Guzzi's have always been dead reliable, although this engine is so new it hasn't had time to prove itself. Biggest issue with Guzzi is parts supply in North America. I bought a V100S last april and absolutely love it. Rode a Tracer 9 GT last year and it would have been my second choice.

@fasteddy3661 7 месяцев назад

If you dream of a Toyota Corolla as the ultimate car, you buy the Yamaha. If you on the other hand think the Maserati/Aston Martin is the way to go, you buy the Moto Guzzi. There is absolutely nothing here that inspires me to buy the fugly Yamaha, other than that it will unfortunately never break down. Give me the Guzzi any day.

@TeslasSecret 7 месяцев назад

Unfortunately never break down… That made me chuckle, nicely put !

@sanchoandfriends 7 месяцев назад

I’m thinking the same things, 👍👍 I guess no one “desires” this over designed Yamaha, there also exist no ride emotion on Tracer.

@fondupatat 6 месяцев назад

Having tried and considered both for quite some time, the way I see it, you buy the yamaha if you listen to your brain and you buy the Guzzi if you listen to you heart. (I listened to my heart and got a V100, no regrets)

@sanchoandfriends 6 месяцев назад

@@fondupatat me too, 2015 Tracer sold, I bought a new Mandello V100S.

@gapper3 6 месяцев назад

Exactly. To me, buying a Japanese bike is like going shopping for a refrigerator. You look at the specs, the price, the reviews. Ya, it looks ok but that's not why you buy it. To stretch this metaphor to its breaking point, you'd buy a Guzzi if you decided to become a Chef and go out a buy a top-spec set of pots and pans, made of exotic alloys and perfectly matched to your designer kitchen.

@bruceramseyramsey2605 6 месяцев назад

Nice job. Guzzi does not get much press or try in the U S. A shame.Yep you omitted the shaft drive advantage.

@ChefGk5-11 7 месяцев назад

On the meanwhile the mondelo look like the yamaha tdm 900 😅

@AyoHues 7 месяцев назад

Interesting comparison - I wish more reviewers would think laterally & break out of the simplistic categories the marketing folk try to restrict us to. 😆 I’m planning to switch to a V100 Mandello S from a tall rounder/crossover MV Turismo Veloce (probably the closest bike to the Tracer, albeit much higher spec) so I fully appreciate your thinking. Of course, the Mandello is probably closest to the BMW 1250 R and RS but even so the difference in style and character is huge.

@TeslasSecret 7 месяцев назад

What did you think of your Turismo Veloce ? I’ve been close to buying one so many times…

@ayohughes 7 месяцев назад

@@TeslasSecret It's a brilliant and criminally overlooked bike. For a manufacturer that's pretty much only every made sports bikes and nakeds (if you exclude Cagiva) to have made an almost perfect sports tourer straight out of the box is one of the great under-appreciated wonders of modern motorcycling. The Recluse style clutch is much more sophisticated than Honda's DSC too. It's a very reliable bike (more so than the pre-2010 KTMs and Ducati's that I've owned previously) but it's almost impossible to find a competent dealer for servicing and parts supply is haphazard. For that reason alone, it's not viable as a daily rider. Otherwise it's ride all day fabulous & comfortable. And very practical if you get the factory hard luggage. Good fuel range too.

@TeslasSecret 7 месяцев назад

@@ayohughes Wow, now that’s how you do a reply. Thanks ! Great to hear, especially about reliability. I have an electric daily rider, so the bike would only be used on Sunday blasts and long trips. Seems like it could fit the bill but sadly I’m afraid that MV priced it way north of the market.

@TeslasSecret 7 месяцев назад

@@ayohughes Wow, now that’s how you do a comprehensive reply. Sounds amazing, it’s just too bad that MV priced it way north of the market. Seems like they’re pretty good at sawing the branch they’re sitting on doesn’t it ?

@christophereaves7108 7 месяцев назад

no doubt the Guzzi is the prettier bike, however, Guzzi do not have great reliability or at least unknown on these bikes, The Tracer is a top-quality bike with assured reliability and a peach of an engine, Tracer for me to ride and Guzzi to look at

@markellott5620 6 месяцев назад

This is no longer the case and hasn't been so for a long time. All modern machines offer decent reliability.

@Ed-lz4jv 4 месяца назад

even older Moto Guzzi can last 100K miles

@pja7 7 месяцев назад

Is this an AI generated narration using Theo Von’s voice?

@operator0 7 месяцев назад

I too am confused. If it is AI, it's really good at inflections, and pauses. Pronunciation is hit or miss, and what really gives it away is the choppy, computer like sound of the voice far in the background.

@pja7 7 месяцев назад

@@operator0 the voice is identical and it would have hours of audio of Theo’s voice to learn from, so I think it is. They have a posh English actors voice too on some (Dunlop trailmax vid for example) and it trips up occasionally

@2wheelsRnough 7 месяцев назад

The original channel, as Vauli, the guy appearing in the video are Austrian to my knowledge. The voice I keep on hearing in narrations on many channels, so the best bet is that it is AI.

@churchofbrap876 7 месяцев назад

Guzzi if u want to look at it, Yamaha if u want to tour on it!

@markellott5620 6 месяцев назад

I've toured on the Guzzi. It's fine. Reliable, easy to ride and comfortable. I've used a Tracer GT for work. Lovely machine, but I'll choose the Guzzi every time.

@Rower30-ye6qn 4 месяца назад

Sure, what ever you say and it wasn't true back in the day at all. My 1979 CB750F was a mess. Forks bent (too weak), head bearing broke (too weak), Alternatory windings caught fire (three damn times!), 16 valve guides all leaked and burned oils, Swing arm plastic BUSHINGS, not bearings, broke (change them a every oil change!), brakes overheated and purged brake fluid out the reservoir. We can gaslight all we want about stuff but it is a gross generalization.

@kugangles9860 7 месяцев назад

For a touring bike you can't beat Japanese reliability as nice as the Madello is to look at.

@gapper3 6 месяцев назад

Not sure modern Guzzis are any less reliable than Japanese bikes.

@IanTed 14 дней назад

Japanese reliability, had far less issues with my Ducati, zero problems…hell of a lot more fun to ride too.

@BuffaloweRider 7 месяцев назад

I've been spoiled with drive shafts. I'm never going back to chain drive. You'll make up any difference in price just in chain care and chain and sprockets cost over the life of the bikes. And the noise difference, forget about it.

@cmoore185 15 дней назад

It is the Mondello. Is the Mandella manufactured in Africa?

@RichDunn 7 месяцев назад

What about final drive and servicing - things that 'really' matter to actual 'owners'!

@Rower30-ye6qn 6 месяцев назад

Seriously, the Service manual is on-line. Read it if you are truly interested. No issues of note. Just the valves are involved as they are finger follower and ~15K service interval. Many bike are not really at home valve service.

@RichDunn 6 месяцев назад

@@Rower30-ye6qn Hey, I've owned over 40 bikes, and produced over 400 bike videos, including testing both the Mandello S and Tracer. So I do know what an owner's manual is and how to get its PDF onto an iPhone. I can read a bikes spec sheet from the manufacturer's website, yet the specs were covered in this video - why aren't you criticizing that? Owners who actually ride every single week of the year want to know about the TCO (including networks/residuals/service costs/reliability, etc), not just things like they both have a 17" front wheel, however GTK that is too.

@Rower30-ye6qn 6 месяцев назад

The very good service manual will tell you the TCO as it is easy to see the jobs you will do and the ones you won't.

@RichDunn 6 месяцев назад

@@Rower30-ye6qn There's much more than just service costs when it comes to TCO. I listed 4 examples above that impact TCO for instance. Don't expect the average owner to be able to work out the service costs purely from the owner's manual, even if they have the inkling to research that for themselves - they're not watching YT videos for nothing!

@vetteboki 4 месяца назад

Ill eat less but id buy Guzzi.

@QuantumSchoolofMassageHolistic 2 месяца назад

Drive 200 miles a day for a week and compare both bikes. You will have the Yamaha back. You missed about half of the best characteristics of the Guzzi and why it does cost slightly more for the base model, and a bit more for the upgraded model. Like most bikes you can't add stuff on like the S model of the Guzzi, you buy it that way. And you won't be able to upgrade the Yamaha easily to match even the base model of the Guzzi. But lets say one thing you definitely missed. The Guzzi has soul. The Yamaha is an excellent bike, I like Yamaha's and have a few including an FJ1200, but they are still just a UJP.

@Otto-AutoPilot 7 месяцев назад

Stelvio is surely the answer!

@kingkrimson8771 7 месяцев назад

But what is the question?

@Otto-AutoPilot 7 месяцев назад

@@kingkrimson8771 A comparison to the Tracer 9GT.

@markellott5620 6 месяцев назад

@@Otto-AutoPilot Yup, similar styling. The Tracer is adventure styled, despite being marketed as a sport tourer. Having had both brands, I'll take the Guzzi.

@Rower30-ye6qn 6 месяцев назад

The answer for who? They have roads where I live.

@markellott5620 6 месяцев назад

@@Rower30-ye6qn Like most modern big adventure bikes, the Stelvio is very much a creature of the road, not the rough.

@chrismithchrismith 7 месяцев назад

Amani suit compared to an Anorak (not an original comparison) I agree.

@kingkrimson8771 7 месяцев назад

I think you mean 'Armani' suit LOL

@chrismithchrismith 7 месяцев назад

... I think you're right 🙄 @@kingkrimson8771

@ehiggins7476 7 месяцев назад

Guzzi=more luxury, amenities and more money but less reliable. Yamaha is cheaper comes with cases and probably will never break.

@Rower30-ye6qn 6 месяцев назад

reliability information on this model from where? Mine has been the most reliable initial 90-day of any bike I;ve ever owned, Japanese, German and now Itialian.

@johnshropshire3399 7 месяцев назад

👍👍

@markshirley7639 7 месяцев назад

I'm sorry but one is quality and one is a Yamaha 🙈 also that's Whitney American accent 😫

@maldekai1 4 месяца назад

Am I crazy or is the narrator AI? The speech is not normal and lots of shit mispronounced. If so, I’m hoping this channel isn’t just scrubbing shit from other Moto journalists and spitting it back out (honestly seems like it)

@1000pscom 4 месяца назад

We are originally an austrian motorcycle channel and have on our english channel some properly moderated videos, but also some translated ones like this one. When the channel grows at some point all the videos will be done properly. But we are never taking someone else's content. Greetings ✌️