*Update - The H61 Gigabyte did indeed work after forcing the second bios to backup flash - www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php/697533-GUIDE-Forcing-backup-BIOS-on-Gigabyte-motherboards.
All you need to flash the BIOSchip on a (non Gigabyte dual bios) motherboard is a cheap programmer, chip clip and some time. www.amazon.com/dp/B01I1EU9LG/ www.amazon.com/dp/B00V9QNAC4/ If you flash the chip with this method you will lose the board specific data like Serial Number but it should get you back up and running. On Gigabyte boards that still wont load the secondary BIOS you can short Pin 7 of the primary BIOS chip to any ground (or pin 4) while booting. This tells the chip to hold, so it can't be read from or written to so the board automatically tries to load off the alternate eeprom. I hope this helps you get a few more boards working. EDIT: You can overclock non K second and third generation (sandy and ivy bridge) i5 and i7 CPU's on a Z68 or Z77 motherboard. You only get an extra x4 multiplier but it is free performance.
nice find Brian ,i got an old gigabyte 990FX which was playing up and was replaced ,but i might give this method a try i see if it's got any life left ,cheers ;) (funny ,i accidently posted this in GN's channel ffs lol )
Its also not "fair" because if they are that poor, they shouldn't be dicking around gaming. also do you sell those dead parts as "for parts" I see those all the time on ebay, so you can still salvage value from dead components. I guess either someone can fix it, or a rossman type will pick it apart for spare repair bits.
Tech YES City Hey Bryan have you tried this out on that dual bios gigabyte board before you throw it out? It worked for me. www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php/697533-GUIDE-Forcing-backup-BIOS-on-Gigabyte-motherboards
i think its because alot of newer keybaords use usb 3.0 (for marketting purposes id guess) and you cant usually use usb 3.0 without being in an OS environment if not plugging into a usb 3.0 port
sorry about the hand written letter, printer was out of ink lol. man my hand writings so bad -.- but hope that i5 gets some use for ya :) It was a few years ago when I used it but I just thought "if it drops the temp then why not". I'm not really a fan of overclocking since it’s generally a waste of time. Most people that do it for fun find them selves just watching benchmarks instead of playing a game. But yeah for a few weeks me n my mate Steve did overclock our PCs for shits n giggles and you can get a decent overclock on it if you have a decent motherboard that allows for non k overclocking. I remember getting 3.8ghz fine. I dialled it back to stock after a month since meh...it was just wasting power. www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2190576/overclocking-3570.html This guy got 4ghz.
@TechYESCity I've had that newer keyboard issue on Laptops as well. It's a major pain when your BIOS doesn't let you use your only keyboard that's attached to the laptop. I had to grab an old mouse/keyboard combo and hook up through USB. Worked beautifully to fix the issue she was having. Fixed it and got her keyboard working after fixing the BIOS settings.
I didn't knew that you do these kind of videos... This is what I call quality, excellent teaching, awesome interaction with the audience! Please never end this serie of videos ❤️🙂👍
Hey Bryan, Regarding that Corsair keyboard: Corsair has a "secret" BIOS mode on most (probably :) ) of their keyboards that allows for the keyboard to be detected by your BIOS. When your in an OS, hit F1+Windows Lock Button for between 1-ish to 3 seconds, and you'll notice then that (if the keyboard is RGB) the RGB will flash, and the scroll lock light will continue to flash, letting you know your in the "BIOS mode". This setting will last between PC restarts. And, if you ever want to go back to "regular" mode, then do the exact same button combination and you'll back to a non-BIOS-detected keyboard. Have a good day. :)
Gigabyte bios switching 1º Press and hold power button. 2º system power on (no image on the screen) count five seconds. 3º hold down pressed power button and count more five seconds. 4º Release button and press again (like it power on your computer) 5º If procedures has been successful, motherboard is power on/off and on again with recover system on the screen.
This was the most annoying shit when I was trying to OC on an updated bios edvuntally I gave up and just stuck with the origal bios untill I found out that alt+F12 before the post screen forces the secondary bios to update.
These two Videos worked great for me: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-L0ChYNwunUE.html&ab_channel=KrisKasprzak ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5NYe21nFSDI.html&ab_channel=UltraNSC Good Luck!
It's been an age since I used an EPROM programmer but I believe PhilsComputerLab bought and used one to fix a GPU --> Ra0T0j5KoAc Unless I am mistaken he is also an Aus resident so you could ask him. If memory serves there shouldn't be any difference using one on a motherboard vs a GPU other than the ROM image you choose to burn. I think Phil would be thrilled to get a message from you ;)
You Bryan and Steve from HU, you guys are the only tech themed YT channels that are still on my subscribers list. And I can be very picky about things :). Take it as a compliment. Your welcomed :)
This reminds me, I have an old MSI 760GM mobo with a PhenomII 965 lying around which recently randomly stopped detecting its integrated SATA controller. I had written it off until I saw one of your videos in which your throw new thermal paste onto the chipsets of an X58 mobo, and thought to try it. Problem has been resolved since I threw some MX-2 onto the north and southbridges.
8:20 That B75 mobo probably has some pads somewhere connected directly to the BIOS EEPROM where you could, say, hook up a Bus Pirate and reprogram it that way.
Carl Wells My FX 8350 did 4k just fine. This i7 Kills that FX in both multi threaded and single threaded. My games have a new life I didn't expect from upgrading in such a small way.
8:37 get you a USB eeprom flasher and the soic clip, theyre $15 aussie bucks and you can reflash solder bios chips on mobos and gpus, either corrupted or fully bricked.
I got a ud7 and i can tell u it can take some high voltage . Definitely a good board for its age and a good oc'er, mine gose up to 224 on bclk. Great video keep the coming!!
Do you ever salvage any of those mad as shiz heat sinks off the LGA775s? I reckon they would go good on some of the cheap boards that have no heat sinks these days
Love these vids. I gotta send you a Razer tiamat headset to fix :). Anyways, there is a weird order to get the dual BIOS backup to trigger on that gigabyte board. Google Fu might save it
Can't wait for more vids bro I'm very happy for u as well always happy to wake up and see a tech yes city on my phone comeup I always know I'm up for something fun and some hella nice music good job keep up the good work .
most of those boards you tossed can be fixed. -bios recovery via usb -bios recovery via flashing kit. -remove bios chip with hot air gun (without burning the board and chip) and either reflash or replace with a working one from ebay. -press down on chipset, if it works until you let go, you have a ball grid array issue. reheat or reball the chip, heck replace the chip at like $15 for the chip (not exactly easy to replace for most people though). -could just put the motherboard in the oven. -replacing various chips on the board or even just resolding them sometimes works. but ya need to diagnose these issues with a multimeter etc.
Hi i have been been a loyal subscriber and fan of the show for a while. A few friends and myself have been doing a thing for the last few years where if we upgrade our pc or any component we put it too the side. When we have close too enough parts for a full (a few years old) but workable gaming pc we find somebody one of us knows of knows of. Last upgrade i did my old cpu, ram mobo and cpu cooler went to a young teenage girl who wanted to play games. in the end we set her up with a 270x 4gb, 9370 amd cpu, 16gb ddr3, asus crosshair formula-z motherboard, an air cpu cooler, old corsair case an an older 1920x1080p 22inch monitor. I myself will help as many of my fellow pc gamers with advise on what parts to get as well as if i have a spare gpu, cpu or w.e i will give them it free of charge or worst case scenario get them to pay for postage. It should not be hard to set something up where pc and gaming enthusiasts donate or send their old pc hardware to those who want too game but can barely afford too. atm i have an r9 390 8gb strix sitting in a box, 7970 ghz edition gpu and a platinum 850w corsair ax series psu. all in working order and willing to give them to a new home next time i travel to melbourne or darwin.
I have a few things to point out after watching your video. 1.All of the Gigabyte mobos in the vid have dual bios, so if it didn't boot, you still can force reflashing from the backup bios to the main one. 2.With those lga 775 you threw away, i think it's a cpu compatibility issue. Some core 2 duos are not supported with their original bios. To test those mobos, you should grab a e2160/e2180 for best compatibility. (~1$/piece). 3.Oven is also compatible with mobos. Trust me, i have bake 2 1155 mobo and 1 of them was revied. Worth trying! :) Looking forward for your baking vid!
09:20 sometimes you can force the bios flash (from second bios) with a shortage pin of the first bios.A dead bios does not mean a dead motherboard.There is even a gigabyte bios recovery adapter that forces the second bios to flash the first one.
Well the Maximus VII Ranger is Z97 so the 4790 should work fine. I have a Maximus VII Hero with a 4790K and when I bought it I just dropped the CPU in and it worked. But it had the same issues you had (the first board before I RMA'd it). It's really picky when it comes to RAM in my experience and a BIOS update is needed for NVME boot drive and to improve the stability.
hi bryan im a loyal fan of your channel im so glad that all your step in cleaning motherboard and fixing it, it fix my motherboard.. thanks to your channel bless you to god...
Never doubt the power of the "Bang Job". I bought my Z97X-SLI for $15 US about a year and a half ago, and I gave me blue screen after blue screen. Was gonna write it off as a dud, but then gave it a solid smack on the box and boom, my 4690k found a home worth being in. Also, don't write off 775 just yet. My workshop PC has a Q9650 with tape mod and a HD 7950, and it is still a perfectly adequate machine. The price of old 775 motherboards and CPUs are so low that, when you add in the fact that RAM price hikes didn't hit DDR2, the price to performance ratio is astounding. Makes for one hell of a budget rig, I put mine together for $80.
Yeap... I have an i5-3470 running @ 4GHz with stock BCLK on a z77 motherboard. Any Sandy or Ivy Bridge CPU with Turbo Boost can doi this "limited" overclock.
10:47 Actually, you can pseudo-overclock the 3570 and 3770, or at least you can on Z77. You can set the turbo boost multipliers to 43, then raise the bclk to get 4.4 or 4.5 GHz
Hey Bryan great video and loved that you got some 775 mobos and you didnt just dismiss them straight off the bat. If you are interested my mate has an 1150 socket mobo. Ill PM you the details. Thanks for the new content.
the reason lapping on CPU heat spredders actually exists is, sometimes the spreader is bowed / warped not allowing your cooler base to seat firmly and evenly on the CPU. There are two ways to identify this issue. First before you install it, is to perform the Top method place the CPU upside down on a known smooth flat surface and spin it like a top. If it spins freely and doesnt immediately slow down you have a bad heat spreader. Second, if it is already installed, is to look at the individual CPU core temps if there are any that are running much hotter that the others, you have a bad spreader. Its was never about overclocking in the begining, it was purely about bad production quality control.
I hope you read this Brian... As far as I know DualBios on Gigabyte Boards can be manually triggered. (On mine it was to press power or reset for 6 seconds... I can not remember which one)
Bryan you can use z series boards in 1155 series to change the all core frequency of a cpu to its max boost clock. For example you can have a 2600 non k run all cores at 3.9ghz then try use baseclock around up to 105 to run around 4.2ghz. Works with i5s aswell with ivy and sandy. The 3770 is the best to try. Once had a z68 pro running 4.4ghz on a 3770 non k. Give it a go and maybe demonstrate in a video. Love your vids, keep it up!
I previuosly used the i5-3570 and I can confirm that using p67 chipset or greater you can set it's ratio up to 4 GHz and then via the baseclock you can hit as much as CPU will take on given motherboard. Since I had a weak MB and very iffy RAM modules (4 of them at that) I was only able to hit 4.2 GHz, but I've seen better. Rare thing to see tested online, but I was on a budget and got a bargain on it - so all you love :-D Cheers from Poland!
There is no need to bin the motherboards with soldered Eproms/Switches... It is fearly easy to solder a new one on the board. I got my soldering "skills" from learning by doing. I am far from perfect with my solderjoints, but 3 mainboards, an XBOX 360 and a flatscreen are running fine again. So just give it a try.
Brian, that board that wouldn't recognize the USB keyboard, I'm willing to bet that USB boot is disabled in the bios. I've seen maybe 10 office custom PC's that they had USB boot disabled, use a usb/ps2 adapter to reset the bios to factory and try again. Cheers from the States!
Hey Bryan, those locked Ivy Bridge CPUs like the i5-3570 are more like "kind of locked" - Ivy Bridge allowed for a 'limited unlock' where even a non-K part can have its turbo multipliers increased by up to 4 over their stock turbo multiplier. So in the case of an i5-3570 which is 3.4 base, 3.8 boost, you can just increase the turbo multipliers from (assuming) 38/37/37/36 for 1/2/3/4 cores up to 42/41/41/40. Not sure if that's limited to Z77 motherboards or if you can do it on a H77/B75 motherboard, I only have a Z77 board, but I've done this with an i7-3770 which goes from 3.9 boost to 4.3 boost with two clicks in the BIOS without touching BCLK. Naturally, Intel ditched this feature from Haswell onwards, because of course they did. EDIT: Also I feel the pain of not wanting to throw out that i7-4790 - I've got an i7-4770K that's kind of half dud, on both an AsRock Z87 Extreme9/ac and a Gigabyte Z97X-Gaming GT I get weird instability and crashes under load. I did notice in a recent attempt to diagnose the problem that the AsRock board was giving me weird sensor readings like 3.9V VCCIN (not VCORE) and -108ºC for one of the temperature sensors. I picked up an ASUS B85M-G with an i5-4440 recently as a "not working" pair, but the board booted just fine with the i7-4770K and showed 1.8V VCCIN which is more like what it should be. Sadly the i5-4440 wouldn't boot at all in either the ASUS or AsRock boards, power would cut out after a split second so it seems like it's dead. Still, that 4770K is a strange one that I might have to do some more testing on when I get the chance, because I was convinced after going through two high end boards that the CPU was just faulty but seeing those sensor issues on the AsRock board has me questioning whether it's any good either, as the 4770K originally came bundled with that board.
I really love LGA775 boards. I still have one as my main pc / only pc hehe. Have it with Q6600 and GT630 2GB and it still is awesome but I don't play too many modern triple A game.
The lapping board could be he was using a crap heat sink in a hot environment, check where the item came from and see the average weather there and maybe the CPU lid on the dye might be uneven so sanding it down can improve contact I did that with my old Q9450 775 cup years a go i gained a 10c drop from idle 45c to 35c and 15c drop 80c to 65/70 full load 1 hour prime test.
Bryan, with Sandy and Ivy in a Z board you can lock 4 bins over max turbo. I ran a 3770 non K at 4.3Ghz locked for a few years and it was a great cheap CPU. Maybe the i5 3570 owner had done that and was fighting increased thermals?
For all that testing in each ocassion or attempt on all those parts you apply thermal paste, I guess not if is just a boot up screen you're looking for
Hey Brian, probably not material for a full vid but what can you talk about disposing computer parts the correct way so we don't screw the environment? Cheers.
I know this is a old video, but gigabyte boards will post loop if someone hits the reset button. If you clear cmos you might be able to get into the bios and re-flash it. Reset trashes the bios so it's best not to connect the reset button on gigabyte boards. I've accidentally did it on two Gigabytes but fortunately was able to get into the bios and flash it back.
There's an odd lga 2066 chip on eBay that's completely unmarked for like $20usd. You should try it out, probably with an asrock xeon-capable board, if there are any right now.
Yes Kunkka is my favorit dota 2 hero. And also i ve got msi x58 pro and x5675 xeon clocked on 4.2ghz by your recommendation and its runnin awesome. Im only limited with 2/6 ram slots working. Idk why is this happenin everytime I use other slots or it doesnt post or not recognized. Any suggestions how can I fix this?
Short pins 1 and 8 with a tweezer on the backup bios and flash the main bios back, fixed up my free Gigabyte B75 Motherboard I picked up from a council kerbside collection
Hi Bryan, the best videos you're doing. Can you test a xeon W3670 on an X58 motherboard, in games, without overclocking? (I know that you're going to overclock it anyway!)
For the Skt775 Gigabyte boards the best bet for them is old Pentium Ds, E4300, E6300 Conroe (not the newer Pentium version), and E2160 which will all work with the original Bios version. There should be a list on the Gigabyte Support Page for each board which will tell you what BIOS is needed for each. The ones I mentioned tend to be the most universally compatible. For ones that seem like the bios is corrupted you might want to try the old DFI Long Bios Clear trick. Set the bare board (no cpu, ram, psu, etc) aside with the battery out and the jumper set to the clear position for a minimum of 24 hours, then remove the jumper, put the cpu and one stick of ram in the slot closest to the cpu, graphics card if needed, and WITH NO USB ANYTHING (use a PS/2 keyboard). Quite often that will clear a borked bios that a short clear won't. We ran into that a lot on the Skt775 and 939 DFI boards back in the day. I've seen it take 3 days to clear one.
LOL, I was just about to comment about how to solve the issue with the Gigabyte H61 board when I saw the sticky about that. But yeah, I had two Gigabyte LGA1155 boards with that same issue and was able to resolve it with both of them.
Heh. I use to stick audio IC boards in the oven if I had to beat on it all the time. Cooking it for 10 minutes at 385 degrees will reweld hairline cracks in solder. Make sure to remove as much plastic that can be removed. After baking, let it cool down slowly. Preferably turning off the oven and opening the door for a few minutes. Oh, use a cookie tray.
My first ever gumtree purchase was a genuine seller selling a XFX R9 280x Double D Black Edition for $215aud and now its my second crossfire card getting me really great fps in last generation AAA games @1600x900 resolution.
great vid like always. I was wondering tho wen u were talking about the asus board i went to check it out its not a z87 its a z97 chipset so it shouldve been fine with the cpu and if u wanna test the 4790 u can update the biostar bios to support the 4790 keep up the great work and wish u the best testing the parts
Hey man, love the videos, you should look into hardware BIOS flashing. It requires a CH341A programmer and a SOIC8 Clip, parts that can be had on eBay (or Ali express) for less than $5 each. It allows you to flashed BIOSes of bricked motherboards and GPUs. You should check it out since it’s pretty cheap and could help you fix a lot of boards/GPUs like the b75 one that had a bad bios. Cheers!
For the Vapor-X gpu that isn’t posting it because it has the legacy bios enable. When the button is blue that means it’s legacy. But it gotta be off for it to work. I have the same card
Hi Bryan, thank you for sharing your experience and enthusiasm! I bought a second pc off eBay as my son has pretty much hijacked my main pc for streaming and online gaming. My new rig is an Asus X58 extreme3 running on Intel i7 960. I am currently bidding on a Xeon x5680. Will I get a significant boost in computing performance at native clock speeds ?
That gigabyte h61, you have to try another power supply. It has some wierd pins on the cpu rail, much thinner than the normal ones. Also when a motherboard power cicles, its always fixable, don't give up on them.
If you have a BIOS problem on your motherboard, you can still fix it with a second PC or laptop. You have to buy a CH341A programmer with BIOS 8-pin clip from china. Simply follow a tutorial on the internet and you have a big chance to maybe fix it (works on MoBo's as well as GPU BIOSes). The programmer with clip should only be a few dollars. EDIT: BTW, awesome video as always! completely forgot to say that!
