To be fair those songs were mixed with the bass in mind so of course removing the bass track will sound terrrible. Having little to no bass is great for when you want something real harsh and cold like black metal.
@@Fireglo Even in Black Metal the Bass is pretty essential. Not in every band but check out anything Mayhem, Burzum, Imperium Dekadenz, Carparthian Forest etc. for those bands a lot of times the Bass plays melodic parts alongside the guitars. Fallen is a perfect example for a bm album with great bass lines
Agree on the first disagree on the second. I prefer JP. And I do think it's a shame Steve now does all the producing and mixing, earlier albums sounded so much better. Like Seventh Son. That record is crystal clear. Anything past BNW has become more and more muddy. Matter of Life and Death really started that sound but the songs were good so it's not too big a problem but on the latest record if you compare Maiden and JP you can very clearly hear which albun was made by a producer. Great guitar player too, saw hin live. Unfortunately Glen couldn't play anymore but Richie is the show anyway. He's like Rhandy Rhoads and Zakk Wylde in one person. Steve has kinda gone the Yngwie way. Do everything yourself, murder anyone who questions anything etc... Yngwie doesn't even have a band. He hires touring musicians and that's it. Records he plays everything. If he still had a singer it could work but he's not a great singer for his music. And he is decent but his music just calls for that high pitched operatic tenor (not unlike Bruce). Göran Edman fit the band so well but of course Yngwie has to piss everyone off.
It's also much easier to hear because the guitar is usually panned right and the bass left do it sounds much like live, with Tony and Geezer on either aide of the drums.
Mark Mendoza was the man that made me want to play bass. Then Steve Harris sealed the deal. It was an older metalhead cousin that explained to me what was that sound that I liked... "that is the bass" and got me one to start learning it. Sadly, my cousin passed last December. Thanks for everything and RIP.
A lot of times the reason I hear people saying they can't hear bass in Metal, it's because the bass is often mistaken for part of the guitar line, but yes, bass is audible in Metal more often than it isn't. Hell, some bands like Weedeater and Saint Vitus actually have the bass up louder than the guitars.
Couldn't agree more. People tend to mistake low end bass as part of guitar. It is not. On the other end of the spectrum, bands like Beyond Creation or Ne Obliviscaris incorporate bass with unique lines apart from guitar, and it's impossible to not hear it
@@StepUpMedia039 i think he agree's but he was trying to say was that at the tail end of the backbone is obviously.... THE BALLS and the bass is the balls in that scenario
Every guitarist who can afford it should try out bass if they can, not just metal players. You don't have to be a virtuoso to learn a few riffs or songs and be able to fill in if someone needs you.
I plan on doing that, I tried an Ibanez bass for 200 bucks. Fantastic! They have those slim necks, it feels like an SG neck just longer not like a Fender style bass. The Ibanez are perfect for my weak little guitarist fingers. They look nice too, got them in walnut and bursts and a few nice colours, 190-250€ depending which one. I definetly want one for recording and for fun. Not a good rythm player so I figure becoming a hobby bassist might help. Because you really can't mess up or the entire band will hate you... GSR models like the GSR 180.
It wouldn't sound that bad if it was actually mixed without bass. Of course simply removing a bass track from a song that was mixed with bass would sound bad. Listen to some early black metal.
@@Fireglo I don't even think they removed the bass track but just eq'd it out, removing also the bass frequencies of the guitars. So all it shows is that you need bass frequencies to sound good, but not that you need the actual bass, let alone if it "gets lost in the mix".
there is one metal band that always stands out in my mind for putting the bass more at the front and that is mudvayne. The bass in Death blooms is great.
There's a lot of alternative metal bands (funk metal, nü metal, and so) where bass has a lot more presence or a different role in comparison to what's usually seen in other metal subgenres. Comes to mind the case of Korn where Fieldy (the bassist) uses the bass as if it was a percussion instrument.
This is why I love knocked loose. Random breaks for bass solos. But you can hear it big time in maiden even without headphones. That bass riff is so iconic
Ugh no... There's a lot of huge albums where you can barely hear the bass... Death metal and black metal is the most brutal form of music and you definitely don't hear bass... Bass is really only needed if you're a funk band and funk sucks
@@truthhurts79 I don’t know a nicer way to say this, but you just don’t know what you’re hearing my guy. Cannibal Corpse and Death both have the bass pretty high in the mix, or literally impossible to miss, you probably just think it’s part of the guitar sound.
@@nowhereweareagain not early death... Scream bloody gore, leprosy, spiritual healing... Nope... Black metal and grind core definitely doesn't put bass in the front either, and that's the most brutal form of metal out right now
rob scallon has a really good video discussing how the bass, while not really THAT audible on the surface, is key to the overall tone of the song and how it's produced
Bass is the best! Can't imagine bands like Maiden, Sabbath and Tool without bass. And the bands with low bass really benefit with louder bass! I for example did mixes for Metallica in my channel with louder bass and it sounds heavier and fuller.
I’m mainly a guitarist for 38 years but also play the bass a bit here and there as well just because it’s really fun to do for a change or even sometimes just to warm up before playing 6 string electric guitar ( I love the low note rumble and it makes playing a guitar with the way smaller strings and shorter neck and smaller fret gaps seem much easier after an hour bass session ! 😄) and I know how important it really is , for me Heavy Metal or any other music really is just not the same without a Fat Behs track holding down the mix. Bass bottom end anchors an already killer track and really fills it in like no other instrument can do ( except maybe and 8-10 string guitar!), it absolutely has to be there … and with a groove thicker than grandma’s gravy if at all possible ! 🤭 Loved the “pic” of Lars in a Megadeth shirt playing Bass! No disrespect to Lars as he is obviously a drummer … but Rob Trujillo ( his guitar playing is awesome as well ! 😊) , Jr. ( David Ellefson ) or even James Lamenzo will absolutely blow him away on bass 😄 Any chance you can do a long form review of Charles Berthoud 😮 and his insane Behs playing as well as some of the techniques he uses ?! 🤔 that dude is flat out incredible! Some of the most killer Bass playing I’ve heard in the last 30 years! so happy to accidentally come across him! ( think where I first heard him was on Jared Dines 2022 shred colab ) Whammy on a Bass was particularly interesting to me as I’ve never heard/ seen anyone else do that yet ! ( I’m sure someone has , but I’ve just never heard it ! ) if anyone does know of some other examples of that ( bass with a whammy ) let me know , I’d absolutely love to hear it ! Thanks 🙏 in advance! 😊
@@mikegraphone2736Thanks. Androids tend to get ignored a lot, too many iPhone snobs out there with their tiny cracked screens! Everyone l know with an iPhone has a cracked screen! I have a Samsung Note 20, protect it (as l have every Android smart phone) with an Otter Box, pay $9 a month for insurance and can get a replacement for $150 (USD). I'm not rich, but my phones last years and have been dropped/knocked over/fallen out of pockets etc. and are still running, but all the iPhone owners l know have those tiny ones with screens that crack from falling two feet to the ground.
@@mrc25381 I would if I had a bass/the money to buy one. I'm also putting off getting one until I move out of my parents' because I live in a shoe box and I don't need to add an amp to the list of things that I trip over on a daily basis.
@@mrc25381It takes money, and not everyone lives where they can get an affordable instrument and gear. Bass gear is expensive compared to guitar, and l live in the US and can get (and own) plenty of inexpensive guitars, effects and amps that can be heard over drums and vocals, but bass requires much more than $100 USD to work for a beginner.
“Lifesblood For The Downtrodden” has the best bass sound/performance of Crowbar’s catalog. Wouldn’t expect anything else with Rex Brown playing on it - his tone is MONSTROUS
I recently got a first press copy of Slipknot’s debut and it surprised me how much clearer you could hear each instrument, especially the bass, compared to the mixes of the album that are more widely available now.
that's mainly because (especially Paul Grays) bass tone was recorded and mixed in a way that would sound raw. This is especially true for their first two records (ST and Iowa), where he would use growly Warwicks (Corvette Std and Thumb). If you listen to the isolated tracks (you can find some for Left Behind for example), you will notice that it's really not what you would expect from most other bands.
@@aussieraideraaron2946 I would but recently I made the switch to CD cause it just wasn’t worth the money and effort needed to get a decent vinyl listening experience. Plus I’m doing a Nu Metal collection and I’m trying to do like an “authentic experience” with it and I like how they would do hidden tracks n shit on CDs.
Admittedly, most people can't "hear" the Bass in many songs, but just like you pointed out, everyone notices something is wrong if the Bass suddenly drops out. Now, a Bass player should be able to pick out the Bass in the mix, but we have to train our ears to listen for those low frequencies
Now... if you love him SPELL IT CORRECTLY out of respect Dave Fucking ELLEFSON There has always been a rule in metal If you love the band or the guy if you put the word FUCKING in front of the name to show your level of love then raise the horns \m/ YOU BETTER !!! GET THE FUCKING NAME RIGHT In my day, for this.... You were bashed. Consider yourself fortunate that you are merely corrected and that's not a joke. if we got that wrong, a Megadeth fan would bash you thats' why WE CHECKED THINGS BEFORE WE SAID OR WROTE THEM DOWN something that people no longer give a fuck to do LEARN FROM THIS BECOME SMARTER FROM IT
@@jacobleetaylor if you're not taking it seriously then you're not a real fan, mate. it's just that simple Now.. Your name i take it is JACOB, right so i said you were a fucking top bloke and i said JACUB IS A TOP BLOKE what would you think ? see mate, you either get it or you don't. if you get it YOU DON'T REPLY WITH A SMART ARSE COMMENT You say THANK YOU and admit your mistake and you change the error IT'S CALLED..........LEARNING FROM YOUR MISTAKES iti's literally a function of evolving as a person You ignore that function ok, Good luck in life see, there's no point having a go at me. You're going to get dumber.. I'm not but at the end of the day don't act like a fan if you don't take it seriously because METAL MATTERS BECAUSE WE TAKE IT SERIOUSLY that's why it has survived generations over other music You don't get that do you ? You think i'm just hating LOL.... NO MATE TRYING TO TEACH YOU SOMETHING but you're not hearing it
I learned how to listen to the beeeys by listening separated/exposed Steve Harris' lines. Dude this guy's playing is just 🤯. Apart from appreciation and more enjoyment of just listening to the music it made me wanna learn how to play bass as well
Was about 2 say Death. The bass on Death was pretty bad ass, especially the latter albums, really technical and unconventional compared to stereotypical bass.
I am definitely all for that ! 👍🏻 I had only heard a bit of Cannibal Corpse before now , I liked what I heard but at the time it was on a phone speaker so it wasn’t exactly prime sound to pick out in detail what he’s playing on the bass… But after hearing him play that short pc in Headphones…W😮W Without question… Thanks for pointing him out ! That dude is absolutely ferocious on a bass ! 🤟🏻 ( any idea what track / album that short pc is from ?) Definitely going to be checking them out a lot more even just to hear more of Alex playing bass ! Hell Yeah 🤟🏻He’s Amazing! 😮 I’d love an in depth look / listen to what he’s doing technique wise, using for effects, amps and how he does it ! Incredible Basslines!
There’s also dudes like Lemmy, Geezer Butler, Les Claypool, Tim Commerford and John Myung, those bands would definitely be a lot different if you couldn’t hear their parts
There is a video of John the fisherman and Jerry was a race car driver without bass and even tho Larry and Tim are amazing, it’s just painful to listen to 😂
I personally have come to the conclusion that if you grew up with small stereos, cheap car radios, and the like, a big reason people don't hear the bass (as WELL as they should) is because they were used to using tinny, high / mid focused cheap speakers. Manufacturers were skimping hard on adding any kind of proper bass to their systems as classic rock was so dominant and they felt people weren't missing out. They were much more concerned with vocals being buried
@@nightpilot154honestly I am not even sure. I think the clip is from something that isn’t Cannibal Corpse. Like a jam sesh with some other dudes or something.
Beyond Creation Omnipresent Preception is an ode to Bass. Rivers of Nihil and Protest The Hero also got some good hearable bass and let us not forget Mudvayne
That’s typically how it works. If you listen to bands like Black Sabbath, early Metallica and Motörhead you see bass taking lead or at least not just holding down the root but actually taking the reigns from the guitar.
If you play bass you can definitely hear the bass, and Iron Maiden and Megadeth are indeed perfect examples. I definitely couldn't pull the bass part out of things until I'd played with other people live, and even more so recorded songs. Unfortunately if there's a shortcut I sure don't know it, I'd been playing seriously for a solid year before I could immediately identify and quickly play or write out what the bass was doing.
@@PiRXaThat's true these days. When l started in the early nineties, there were very few affordable resources for bass players (especially metal players!) to use. They had half-speed machines to learn guitar solos and some VHS lessons, but they were quite expensive to us high-school kids, even here in the US, l can only imagine how difficult it was for plyers around the world! I'm not trying to sound like an old fart telling people how easy it is today, l'm just glad there is internet, RU-vid online lessons etc. so people can start teaching themselves how to play. I give people free lessons when l can, have given away gear, books etc. over the years to younger/newer players. It's not about us, it's about being there to help and encourage the newer players of all ages and genres to learn and keep up the hard work when times are tough and life can be overwhelming, discouraging and it feels impossible to keep moving foreward.
I’ve always found the mix of pantera albums, especially vdop and far beyond driven have a good level of bass, like you can hear it and it sort of thickens the sound up
Day 8 of asking for Paul McGuigan’s bass tone of Oasis NOTE: Don’t use Wonderwall as an example because the bassline was actually recorded by Noel Gallagher and not McGuigan. A couple great examples of his bass tone are from the songs Some Might Say and Morning Glory. Thanks!
@@lukecharles. Steve DiGiorgio, Sean Malone, John Myung, Lemmy, Billy Sheehan, Les Claypool, Geddy Lee, Alex Webster, Doug Keyser. And that’s just metal bassists, do I have to mention Jaco, John Entwistle, Victor Wooten, Stanley Clarke etc.?
Naw I can usually single it out if I'm listening for it. One of the things I actually love about metal is how much the bass tone can vary from band to band, even with bands that have a similar sound -- a lot more than the guitars do sometimes.
