Can You Beat Jak And Daxter Without Eco? 

Play Ironsworn instead.

Really respect the 4D-chess play, in selling the art as the best part of a mobile game. Wowee! *Looking* at it is the BEST PART!!! …and you’re not even wrong. That’s the effed-up part. RAID is such a fool to let this slip past; you compliment the “game,” dunk on it, discourage sales, *and* get sponsorship money all at once! You clever man, you.

I would rather install a virus...wait, Raid IS a Virus, a Virus that constantly tries to force you to give it money while also eating your phone's resources

You know what? After watching the entire sponsor, I gotta agree. He did a good job with a shitty situation Still, Promotion Skip Button: 2:17

Trash game. Shilling it even ironically is still scummy.

It's about driving others to insanity to do an amazingly difficult trick* Jk, he has in other challenges said something could be tassed to iirc

Haven't seen the whole video yet, but its Josh isn't it, lol?

No, it was SixRock and Milanista. Very talented players.

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You were wrong, Samos! Dark eco can be controlled! We've learned it's secrets. And now we can reshape the world to our liking.

I feel it indeed proves what this challenge sets out to prove: eco is bad and unnecessary and will clearly only hurt you.

It's almost a meme at this point.

It definitely counts and its interesting. You could always just split runs in two categories then, for example no eco and true no eco or whatever better name people come up with.

Doesn't work with roleplay. Jak is scared eco will turn him orange. Daxter specifically fell into dark eco before turning orange. Jak being willing to touch the very eco he's afraid of doesn't click.

That is if we even get there without using Eco

@@crashtefanoand to collect the white eco you'd first need to damage the robot with yellow eco as well... ugh-

@@AlexeyDatEdgyhog Yes, I kind of wish there was a way around that, just for the sake of this challenge. Going this far just to hit such a brick wall...

Daxter takes a swim in dank eco before the game starts so unless ur just playing Jak, the challenge is already failed. 😋

@@Rashed1255 Oh well, you never play as Daxter in the first Jak game, so we can ignore that kind of scripted use of Eco

Pretty sure he re-loaded a save from before he collected it, which removes the Eco, so it techincally doesn't count.

Mine too 😀

Mine too 😄

Mine as well 😄

Couldnt relate more ahaha

Not mine, but I still enjoy these videos a lot 😃

Well in the Orbs one Speedrunners figured that one out years ago.

Lava Tube Skip is easier than 99% of the tricks used in this low-eco run xD

It's actually white eco. I don't know why, or if it is even supposed to be a different type (although it does seem to have vastly different powers and light eco literally isn't white).

@@tommarsdon5644 I thought I misremembered or misheard so I checked again. It is, in fact, light eco both in Jak 1 and Jak 3.

​@@JohnDoe-yp3zvSpeaking of light eco, Daxter said that might change him back but they use it to defeat Gol and Maia instead. Have you ever wondered why the four sages didn't combine their magic a second time to make more light eco to see if would work on Daxter? It's just something that crossed my mind.

@@slycooperrocks5826mostly because they dont actually know how to make eco do what they want specifically outside of their own eco. There is no white eco sage. And dark eco shows that it can just kill you, it can transform you, and its also hard to control by nature. So even if they did use light eco again, theres no particular guarantee that the desired affect of back to human was gonna come from that. Two things aside: Jacks usage of light eco in tpl vs 3 is very different, but thats for narrative and character reasons not the eco itself. In tpl jak is on an adventure and as far as he is aware almost every version of channeling eco can b offensive. Blue and green eco make that harder to really contxtualize esp green, but when first presented with light eco consider its component parts are easy to use offensively its likely just his natural move. And the more calm and healing aspects of light eco are very specifically taught/given to him from the precursors. And this is probably specifically cause they had been watching him and new of the dark eco warrior inside him. The other thing thats an aside is depending how you interact with the story, you can come to identify that the precursors mightve remembered what happened with the light eco in tpl. How it was used offensively and the gang had no idea to turn dax back. So when Jak comes across the chance to use light eco again … what do they do? They teach him it has more properties than just offensive capabilities. Light Jak exists both as an answer to Dark Jak AND as a response to “could light evo change dax back?”, yes if used properly it could be used to change dax back. And we know the little furry rata could still do this but dax declined and veger got the opposite version 😂

​@@slycooperrocks5826 maybe the cost of the four sages creating light eco was so great that it caused an eco shortage since eco really isnt shown in future games. who am i kidding, it's for plot and tension.

Yes, Metal Gear Solid is the biggest one. Walking seems weird now. Thank you 😁

I disagree but mostly because of the humorous intro. "Eco is icky, look what it did to Daxter, so we aren't touching any of it" is the setup, so that would very clearly make Dark Eco Crates a no-go. Still fun to see in the video, so I'm glad he included it anyway.

Wonder what he'd do for Jak 2 and 3. Eco isn't as big a part of those games as the first one.

@@aurthurpendragon1015 Maybe Jak II without guns and Jak 3 without vehicles?

@@ColinElkin-ce1337 Jak 2 without guns...yes, because that would be xtremely hard. It's already hard enough with guns. But Jak 3 without vehicles I don't thinkw ould be too challenging, just time consuming, except for the times when you need the leaping vehicle to get into the Monk Temple.

​@aurthurpendragon1015 if you play on hero mode, you get the jet board from the start and you can use the infinite jet board jump glitch to get to the monk temple. It's how it's done in speedruns

@@ColinElkin-ce1337 As far as I remember, if we're doing all missions (instead of just getting to the end of the game), and if we're not counting the turret sections, there's only one instance where using the Morph Gun is mandatory, and that's when you get the Blaster, and it teaches you how to combo with melee attacks. The rest of the missions can be done gunless, though the hardest ones are the vehicle missions that require guns, like Destroy Hellcats and Rescue Lurkers. Jak 3 gunless is currently impossible, and I'm not sure about no vehicles, I think it's impossible due to requiring it in the final boss, as well as other bottleneck missions

That sounds wicked difficult. I like it.

You are the devil my friend

Would the jetboard be considered a "vehicle" for the purpose of this run?

Jak 2 & 3 without guns and vehicles might be impossible. I'm not gonna say it is, because people are wild and bugs exist. But the way that game is structured is pretty different. I'd definitely watch a video on any of the Jak & Daxter games, though.

@@MrMakoto2 I dunno if it would. The lack of hoverboard would lock you out of the moonjump glitch which would make the challenge 10 times harder if at all possible.

Agreed. Low eco is a very tedious category for this game, even with Jak's very fast, Swiss-army knife movement.

Thank you, it makes the successful runs all the more satisfying

​@NGPlusVideos I just found your channel I like your content can you drop more videos inalready watched your other ones

Hey! I get that reference!

Owen Wilson would be proud

I'd be interested in trying that series out one day. Only played the original and didn't get too far. I believe "Obscure Video Game Runs" did something similar to "No Collectables though. I'll look at the series again at some point 👍

I have to say, the thought of the run being exactly like this in one specific way, somehow allowing no rangs but promptly crashing and burning at the final boss where you need the Doomerang, is hilarious.

Seen a guy do both Jak 2 and 3 without guns and with one hand. Jak challenges are crazy

Plus I'm pretty sure you can get zombie state elsewhere in this area, that's just the easiest place to demonstrate

But the dark eco just kills you so you aren't using it at all. The way i see it, dark eco is exempt from the rule since you aren't collecting it and it doesn't aid you in any way, it just kills you. That's just my opinion at least

Thank you, couldn't have done it without you 🙌

Yup, I'm always streaming these challenges on Twitch, it's just some take a bit longer than others 😅

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No problem, thank you for being there when you can, appreciate it 🙌

Thank you, I was looking at Toy Story 2, but I have never played it before. I will need to research it :)

Thank you. You guessed my intro! Yeah, I have to wait til Autumn for the game to be available again 😅

@@NGPlusVideos Can't wait! Should be a great one!

Thanks a lot, makes it all worth it 😁

My gosh, you reply fast. Thanks.