You have once again proved that it pays to hang on to stuff, Wendell! The ram from your old cylinder becomes the fix for your much older brother’s cylinder. Nice work!
Well doggone Thomas...I'm glad to help bring up some good memories from the past !! Thank you for stopping in with such a pleasant comment. We appreciate it.
Never seen a pipe wrench so tall it rests standing against the work table! You both bring me memories of the shop my father in law had. FULL of stock accumulated over the years, but yet, ready to be put to good use! Thanks!
Hey Joe !! Good to see ya buddy !! a fella can't have too many tools. LOL Sometimes the big ones are nice to have laying in the corner. At least we didn't have to use a comealong or hydarulic jack to move the handle on the pipe wrench ! THOSE are the REAL bad jobs. LOL
I've never seen one get broke like that before! 😮 *That's a big pipe wrench too!* Thanks for sharing Wendell. Glad you both could get that cylinder apart 🔧🔩
He never did tell me how it got broken like that. I've not had that experience yet myself. The old Rigid would be a lot easier to use if it was aluminum !! That packing gland WAS a pita to remove for sure. It'd never been removed since new in '73.
Well two guys can get a lot more done a lot easier if there's the slightest bit of cooperation. We have both worked with guys on the job that just wanted to be contrary....its kinda an unspoken agreement to take the back seat to whoever has a better handle on the subject at hand. Most of the time that's him !! Thanks Ed for the visit my friend.
We still rely on Lady Luck for a lot of it my friend. He's got the most experience because he's so much older than I. LOL And more gray HAIR. Well, actually more hair....period !! Thanks for stopping by again Jan.
When I go to garage sales and flea markets I am always looking for pipe wrenches. I have been told when I buy one for a couple dollars that no one wants them anymore. Everyone is using plastic pipe. Pipe isn't the only thing they are used for as evidenced by todays video. In a pinch you can use a pipe cutter to remove the end of the cylinder. I was in charge of keeping 3 extrusion presses running. A 1600 ton Youngstown. A 1300 ton Sutton and an 1100 ton that I have forgotten the name of. The nameless press needed new side jack cylinders that fast forwarded and retracted the main ram. I had a place in Texas build a set of two. On the compaction presses at Metal Powder Components I had to replace several smaller cyclinders. I had the tool room turn up shafts out of Thompson rod. You can buy it in all kinds of sizes and it is prehardened. Since it is case hardened once you cut.100 off the surface you can thread it no problem. Standard pipe can be used for the tube. You just have to hone the bore.
Dang, that's a good bit of added info ! Love it. I knew the rods were replaceable, but I don't think my welding is good enough to make the appropriate welds for the ends. Actually I KNOW its not good enough. LOL I'm sure with a bit more internet time, we could have actually located a good used cylinder that was reasonable to buy and ship. But he looked high and low...called all the local hydraulic shops and one construction equipment salvage yard and come up with a zero. So we went this route.
Aw, we will get around to it one of these days. Gotta be careful though, once ya get him started he's kinda hard to get stopped !! Thanks Russ for the visit tonight.
@Tractorman44 No problem. I have a much older brother. 14 yrs older. Dad's been gone a while and when we get together we reminisce about the old man. Lots of good memories and lots of funny stories. Thanks for replying. Have a good one 👍
@@tractorman4461 We're a little younger. Dad was born in 32. Much older brother was a 64 model. My much improved model came along in 78. We were raised in much the same way as you all. We live in NE Oklahoma. I don't think too far from you guys.
@@russphillips835 Yeah, NE Ok is just a hop skip and a jump away ! Our pop was born in 1909, the Much Older Brother got here in '39 then were three in between and I tagged in in "51. So yeah, we got ya by quite a few years. But no matter. It's all good. Good luck with all you guys do !! Btw, my oldest son in law was born in '78...LOL
Good Evening Gus and thank you for the very kind words....The Much Older Brother is the brains....I'm just the good looking one with the strong back. LOL
Hahahahaha...that's funny Rick!! It was pretty much uneventful, but I was just editing the portion of him using the coffing hoist and hit the delete button...lost like three perfect minutes of it sliding right out.
This disassembly was kinda tough because that packing gland was stuck so bad and there's no way to get onto it with the big wrench. It hadn't been moved since new in '73. But there was nothing in there to cause it to be stuck. It was clean as could be once removed.
Good job guys a lot of knowledge in those two fellas for sure hope your brother gets his loader tractor back in business take care I sent some pictures to your email it showed they went but not sure I am not real smart when it comes to new technology I am old school lol have a great weekend
Yes Tom, I found the attachments on your email. I'm glad you guys got the snow and we don't !! LOL. Yeah, his old Case is back in full operation for sure !!
Man yeah Mr Wendell, neebr throw anything away!! Never know, just like this instance!! I see the ole rigid 4 ft wrench worked it's magic again!! Love seeing you and the brother working together!! 😁 Y'all have almost every tool for the job at hand!! Thank you for bringing us along Mr Wendell!! Look fwd to seeing what's next!! Hope you have a great weekend!! 😁😁👍👍👍
That was a tough one. But it lost the battle in the end. It did turn out to be a bit more than a quick change. A slight change in diameter in the rams made him have to do a bit of machining to get it to work. But its working now and that's all that matters. You have good weekend too Nelson.
@@Pennies_on_the_dollar Hahahaha...I applaud your enthusiasm for our perceived abilities...but you don't realize how much we rely on lady luck !! LOL We try hard to keep that hidden. (-; Actually we take it to an art form !! LOL
Well, I used to save everything knowing I could use that later to rebuild or re-purpose something, but I failed miserably at having a system to find what I knew I had when I needed it. I eventually sold that shop building and found everything I ever looked for and it was all just where I put it.
I gotta admit, I suffer from that syndrome a little too from time to time. But in general can find the appropriate pieces. And yes, its usually in the last place I look....and dang, if it's not always just where I put it !! LOL Thanks S K for the grin this evening.
Team work and no fist fights or anything! This calls for a CuppaJO raised in the honor of Brotherly Love! If you both had tutus it would have made it more exciting but I know it’s chilly. Kind Thanks Brothers! DaveyJO inna Holler
I guess the biggest problem we had was he held out on me with the Christmas cookies!! His bride makes him 1,000 cookies for Christmas every year. Every kind you can imagine. And there never seems to be any left over when I stop by to help him with a project !! Now that's BAD..right..?!!
@@tractorman4461 No Cookies? The Cookie Faeries, relatives of the JO branch, don’t take kindly to this and have been know to break hydronic stuff! Just sayin! Toastin inna morn old Buddy of the JO kind!
We work pretty good together...we just don't get much done. But we have fun doing it !! Our dad and one uncle farmed together and they seemed to enjoy continually making each other irritated during the course of the day. We laugh now about the way they did it to each other just to be irritating. But I think we both understood many years ago how much less they were able to accomplish working against and not with each other. Thank you for watching and commenting once again SW.
Ram tough! 🤣. I'm sorry I could not resist. Thinkers last summer May befall had to replace my hydraulic cylinders on the bobcat. 1 ram was bent. Here is unique bobcat but it is cheaper to buy aftermarkets and have them machine and we put them in. Yeah I kept all the pieces. Didn't say anything my buddy because there's no way that bucket would have worked for me with a bent ram the way it was. I loaned it to him and he had bent it. Well that's all right because I bought the parts and he did the labor. It might have been on me with never know about those things. Then of course baby I'm just making lemonade out of lemons. By the way I don't miss the fact that you always say I'm over at my much older brother's house 🏡. Shop or anything else you you always say my much older brother 😜. Well it's good to see that the two of you still work together we'll. Has your much older brother ever threatened to cut you down to a stump? Upon referencing all the logs that you cut in the trees that you had made into stumps.
Yeah, that's the way it is sometimes loaning or borrowing it seems. LOL No, the Much Older Brother is pretty mellow. No threats or nothing !! But he still don't wanna share them Christmas cookies though. LOL Me and him have done quite a lot of stump cutting though.
@@tractorman4461 Me either, but I've had a customer who had one break, and it was a fault of manufacture engineering.. Somewhat long story shortened up, Back in the earlier 1970's GM built TEREX equipment, one of their front end loaders ( if my memory is correct I think maybe it was either a model 72-31or a 72-51 ) had a design fault which when used for snow clearing etc. allowed snow to fall through and into the 'pocket' that held the main lift cylinders, the snow built up behind the cylinder, packed solid, and then there was very little room for the cylinder to go when raising the bucket,. This caused a severe bending of the ram, which further caused it to snap off like a carrot. So there you have an expensive and troublesome repair job!
@@regsparkes6507 Holy cow !! Now that IS a design flaw. Hopefully they recognized the issue and took care of the expenses. Who'd think something soft as snow could create such a force !! That sure was a 'Fun Fact' Reg and thank you for adding to the story.
@@tractorman4461 This incident happened just a month or so before I was involved with the service department in that business. The loader was a Government owned unit,. I do seem to recall that GM-Terex Division was involved , so yes I'd suggest that there was 'cost sharing' going on in that repair job. :)
Yes, he makes them out of discarded oxygen tanks. He's used other smaller high pressure tanks as well, like nitrous and C0 2. They sure send a ring down the ridge don't they..!!? The neighbors can sure tell when the wind is blowing.
Yes, but its a bit more uncontrollable. A nasty byproduct of that is the potential of being sprayed by the residual oil in the cylinder if you break the air away incorrectly. If I wouldn't have accidentally hit the delete button while editing the portion of him moving it with the coffing hoist you could see it sticking and jumping and sticking again. Some of them just refuse to move smoothly. Some of them you can slide out easily by hand too. This one was in 'lady-mode'....being stubborn. LOL
There's no rhyme nor reason for the differences as far as I can tell. That's why you just about have to have the correct numbers off the machine,the loader AND the cylinder to be able to order correct parts. He looked high and low for a replacement cylinder like I did on mine a few years back and couldn't find a thing that was affordable.
I broke the dump cylinder on an IH 1550 loader on a 434 Gas one time. I suppose I could have been killed had that not happened. Dad and I had just a couple of loads to bale in the back field. Almost everything else was baled round but we wanted a couple more loads of small squares for really bad winter weather so we'd baled a couple of loads and brought them in the day before. Now, the dew was finally off but a thunderstorm suddenly developed and was coming in fast. Dad got in the truck and went ahead out to the field to grease the baler. I was to bring the 434 and move it so we might have a chance to beat the rain. I was about 16 at the time. I was flying up the middle field lane wide open in 8th with the loader down low for travel. The hairpin key came out of the right side main pin of the round bale spear. I had no way to know that had happened. Without the hairpin key, the main pin on the right side jiggled out. That allowed the heavy square tube bale spear to hit the ground and it speared straight in. There was a tremendous _BANG_ and suddenly the tractor was 3 or 4 feet off the ground, flying. It came down with a couple of bounces and I was on the brakes, no idea what had just happened. It happened in an _instant_ . The bale spear was left upside down completely under the tractor, held on only by the one loader arm pin, the loader arm twisted, the dump cylinder rod bent and snapped right off. Everything else seemed okay. I backed the tractor off of the spear, but couldn't get it disconnected without a heavy hammer because the twisted arm jammed the remaining pin in place. Me not arriving in the back field in time, Dad came looking for me. I thought I was as good as dead. In all my years of tractor driving I had never caused so much destruction of equipment. I was fighting back tears at the damage, expense on our small farm, and, especially, the thought of disappointing my Dad. When Dad got there and looked at the damage, and saw the huge rip in the ground from the spear, and the skid marks after I landed, he put his hand on my shoulder and softly said, "There there, Lil' Man; we can fix the tractor or even replace it, but we can't replace you". They were some of the greatest, most loving and forgiving words I'd ever heard out of his mouth - and I'd heard a lot of them. He was just glad I was still alive. If that cylinder hadn't broken it might have sheared the loader off and killed me or the tractor might have flipped over forward on top of me before I could have been thrown clear. We took a club hammer out of the truck and pounded the remaining pin out and set the spear off the laneway and went ahead and still managed to beat the rain... just. We bought an entire new dump cylinder assembly, but our mechanic could not get the hard steel loader arm or the bale spear to fully straighten, so it remained as long as we had it. The 434 caught fire and burnt about 12 or 13 years later. We had the loader repainted and new hoses installed and mounted it on a creampuff 444 Diesel and used it for many more years. The slightly bent loader arm and bale spear remained constant reminders that a life changing event can only be a split second away on the farm.
What an eyeopening and descriptive story of what could have been such a terrible situation. I'm certain his mind was racing while thinking of the potential outcome and at the same time provided the best possible comment to you to let you know what's really important. What a superb comment. I do appreciate the detail to the life changing experience you both endured. Wow, I've got nothing to compare to that experience and I am thrilled to have you relate this to us all.
@@tractorman4461 Thanks for saying that. The funny thing is, if I'd been doing the stupid thing you see in so many RU-vid videos (or maybe even down your own road) of carrying the loader raised high during high speed transport, when the pin came out the spear would have just skewed a little but still been hanging by the other two pins. As it was it allowed that early and very overbuilt (before lightweight, slim forged round spears) square tube spear to engage the ground. Even if it had been on the road the point of that spear would have went right through the asphalt. I should add that episode was for sure an eye opening experience of the dangers of hairpin keys. Those were the factory pins and proper hairpin keys for that loader. 𝐓𝐨 𝐩𝐫𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐫 𝐡𝐚𝐩𝐩𝐞𝐧𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐚𝐠𝐚𝐢𝐧, 𝐰𝐞 𝐝𝐫𝐢𝐥𝐥𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐦 𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐬𝐨 𝐰𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐮𝐥𝐝 𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐥𝐲𝐧𝐜𝐡 𝐩𝐢𝐧𝐬 𝐢𝐧𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐚𝐝 𝐭𝐨 𝐬𝐞𝐜𝐮𝐫𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐦. Anyone with old loaders or 3 point equipment should drill out hairpin style pins for lynch pins or just replace them. If the pins try to rotate and the hairpin key catches or digs for any reason on the bent side, it will spring open and blow out. They are fine for vertical applications like drawpins where the hairpin key hangs below the drawbar and almost never engages it, but they can be dangerous or even deadly in horizontal use.
@@42lookc All good points that I'd agree with whole heartedly about the hairpins. Yeah, I never understood those guys running around with the loaders high unnecessarily. The balance point changes dramatically with elevation, as you and I know, but I think so many guys new to tractors don't realize how MUCH it changes tip over point. The fact remains though that you were very lucky and your dad handled it with class. Life lesson learned.
