Can you Game On The Cheapest Microsoft Surface Tab? 

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@@sihilius I have a Wacom MobileStudio 16 and a Asus Flip s13, and while the wacom is better for feel and precision, the Asus feels great to sketch and take notes on. Great tool for students too!

also helps a ton with palm rejection. makes it way easier not to put a blob on the other side of the canvas LOL i would die without it.

yeah, samsung note use it ages ago... on Samsung galaxy S5, they can detect your finger hovering on the screen which is mind boggling

@@sihilius or just the surface pro

Yes. I still use a galaxy tab s4, with wacom tech and detects input a fair bit above the screen

Surprising Win11 runs on it, knowing 10 needs 8gb min clean install

@@DyoKasparov Win 10 doesn't NEED 8gb, it runs fine with 4gb

Not just that, but the storage in this thing is eMMC which is a much slower type of flash and slows as something like a hard drive. I'd be curious to see how the Core i3 version of this little Surface would run these games, as it has the i3, 8gb of RAM and a proper SSD(I think NVME, actually).

@@DyoKasparov Official requirement is 2GB. For 32-bit version it was only 1GB, but it was later changed also to 2GB. I have Trekstor 7 tablet with 32bit Win10 home 1GB RAM / 16GB drive & intel Atom CPU. Back in 2016 it cost in Germany like 1/2 of Win10 box.

@@DyoKasparovI’ve seen Windows 10 run with less than 100MB of RAM (if memory serves, it was 42MB). It wasn’t good, in fact it was immensely painful to witness, but it worked.

At least it has boost. The surface go 2 model came with a 4425y which ran at the 1.7ghz base clock and no higher. They managed to make a proper core series cpu run worse single-threaded results than atoms of the same age.

however, for $400, it probably can’t get any cheaper given that it comes with an excellent touchscreen display and full metal build. an equivalent laptop would have better specs sure, but probably a much worse display and build. they should’ve made it $500 and thrown in a decent amount of memory and storage.

"running on an easy-bake oven..."

@@alexkwan3 An iPad will destroy this in every metric besides software compatibility, is similarly well built, and is about $100 less.

@@bandombeviews6035 this comes with a stylus which apple charges you $100 for, so there’s the difference i guess. don’t get me wrong. the ipad 9 is great at $329 and i’m actually considering picking one up, but they’re not in the same product category.

I guess it's just the difference between expectations and reality. Not gonna lie - expectations for the device were quite low

I also have a surface go 2 and I play minecraft on it and this looks worse than my surface go 2

Bro what games can your surface laptop 2 run

I had a surface go 3 and it could barely run anything without overheating and turning off, it also crapped itself whenever I had more than one program open, idk maybe mine was a lemon or smt but I could barely do anything on it without having it overheat or run slow, I swapped it for a Surface Pro 7+ which is so much more powerful and can play just about anything.

damn bro you lost your job

HE WILL NOT

@@electronforce611 😂🤣

I have the i5 varient with an 80 eu iris xe. The igpu is let held back the low wattage. I can get about 35fps in gta v 1080 normal settings. I don't think the 96 eu in the i7 varient will give much better performance because it's only running at 15 watts. The sq3 varrient is a no go for gaming. I haven't tried it but considering the state of windows for arm I would imagine most games would not even run.

@@iameric5790 Oh. OK. That's disappointing. But thanks for the info.

@@iameric5790 15 Watts? My Surface Pro 5 i5 can go up to 35W.

"Here, bake this potato with this disposable bic lighter... see? You should've bought an oven if you wanted to cook potatoes."

You'll see it all working for GS. some of the wildest interactions I've had at the 4 years working as an ARA

Yup. But, honestly, it feels a bit like he could narrate anything and be amusing - "gaming on an Easy-bake oven" .. lol!

There is also a 'dock' version with more IO too.

@@wolsel9726 Yeah I know but not the best port for that, USBC is still better when it comes to IO flexibility. The magnetic connection is what makes it special to me.

​@@animetodamaximumI'm pretty sure you can push a ton more data through the proprietary link than usb could do.

@@benjamindover4337 Depends on the bandwidth it has.

microsoft had like a patent or something for magnetic charging

I have the 128ssd/8gb ram/6500y model .. pre 2009-2010 games run reasonably well.. anything newer (not AAA titles) is a hit and miss ..I've tested coral island (similar to animal crossing I guess but not really) it's from October ish 2022 and runs on medium settings smoothly

may be core i3 option with go3 is enough

But a steam deck it would destroy most things these days

​@@randomkhan1896yeah.. with a 3 inch screen.

i have the same surface go 3 model as in the video. geforce now runs great on it, i game on it sometimes, when i don't have my laptop

Prior to Apple bringing out the pencil, most tablets and 2-in-1s didn't have active stylus support. The only big name options that existed for consumers were Samsung's Galaxy Note line, the Microsoft Surface line, and a very small smattering of obscure Surface like devices like the Viao Z Canvas. Apple didn't do anything innovative with their stylus, but manufacturers will happily copy something once Apple does it because they want to be seen as trendy or whatever.

I have one that I never really intended to use for gaming. But in a pinch, there is a lot that you can play on it, especially sticking with indie games, emulators and older games. There are dedicated channels on RU-vid showing the performance on many popular games.

@@wolsel9726 why yes there is 🤠

@@josher14 😉

or me with ideapad duet3 i was still expecting without games ut having issues on facebook and you tube is crime

seconds per frame 💀💀💀💀

Nice what resolution and settings are you playing oblivion? I played Skyrim on the go 1 8gb for sure

I'll lend my PC, i9 13900k, 4090, etc.

In a pinch, you could totally use this for light video editing, too. It'll take a whole hell of a lot longer, but it'll still work.

I actually recommended one of those to my friend when he went to college. The first thing we did was set up TeamViewer between it and his 5800X & 3070ti PC. All the battery life he could want and he has a decent bit of power on tap if he needs to run something heavier for engineering classes.

Using the same games across each device makes the comparison fairer. If you chop and change games and devices, how do you know whether the performance change is device or game related?

@@RikAindow I dont know how I haven’t thought of that. Makes a lot of sense, thanks

You think a 10c 12t processor with Iris based graphics better than on the fastest Intel desktop processors, using P and E up to 3.5GHz (4.7GHz for efficiency cores) will struggle as badly as a 2c 4t using an ancient iGPU, 20x less lv2 cache, 3x less lv3 cache, nearly 10 times less lv1 cache, and 3 times lower TDP . . . . . .

@@wyterabitt2149 Integrated graphics are NOT desirable for good reasons. The best of them really can't compete with lower end discrete graphics from previous generations. And when placed inside a tablet (effectively what a surface is) airflow is too constrained to allow even a powerful CPU/iGPU to perform as well as it could in a less airflow constrained device. This is why Intel has both TDP-up and TDP-down specs for manufacturers. Tablet-type devices tend to go with TDP-down designs for more battery life and lower heat generation. Even if they go with a TDP-up design, the CPU/iGPU won't be able to avoid thermal throttling in a fairly short period of time.

@@Dave5281968 I have used a Surface that was more powerful than the one in the video a few times, and it ran fine with no real massive issues and was very fast all round. Of course it won't be able to get it's full potential in the more powerful configurations, but that wasn't the question I asked. I asked do you think it's going to perform as badly as the terrible mess of a processor in the Surface that is in the video. I didn't ask "do you think the more powerful processor will hit the total potential performance it is capable of" and I didn't say "Intel iGPUs are the best option for gaming especially in tiny form factors". The Surface Pro 9 does have a fan as far as I am aware, still won't be perfect but the idea it would be as bad as in the video just seems silly. Even the massive increase in bandwidth would make a difference alone. And the difference between eMMC memory used here, and the real SSD in the Surface Pro 9. And you could have looked it up as well. I have seen very good extended Cinebench R23 results, which will generate far more heat than gaming would typically do, by the Surface Pro 9. And some gaming tests show it generally runs well enough and doesn't have crazy slowdown, but obviously will have limitations in spite of this.

Galaxy Note styluses are active. They just don't require a power source in the pen for tracking, as they're using Wacom's digitizer tech that powers the pen on top of tracking. Passive styluses are those rubber domes on sticks that work on any modern touchscreen.

@@reaperreaper5098 The early Galaxy Note stylii used the "passive" Wacom tech. For example on the Note 2. On these older devices the stylus is not only tracked but also energized through the via a coil around the screen (or something similar).

@@oldguy9051 That’s exactly what I’m talking about. Older Note phones have active styluses, they’re just powered passively. Newer Notes and the S Ultra series have batteries for the remote functions, but pen tracking is still passively powered.

@@reaperreaper5098 "active styluses, they’re just powered passively" OK - I can agree to that, even if it sounds somewhat funny ;-)

Upgrading a Surface is almost an impossible task. Fun fact the store I worked at repairing computers had a policy that damaged Surfaces almost always got replaced because how difficult it was to open/repair.

everything is soldered

@@stewartphillips Thanks. That's worth knowing. Maybe I won't get one as I do love tinkering with PC's.

@@stewartphillips Pretty much same here. We would replace ports and the kickstand piece, but nothing else. Bad motherboard? New surface. Bad screen? New surface.

Not sure what they're like nowadays, but the first couple of generations of Surface I used to work on professionally; and let me assure you that if you got inside one of those you're not getting it back together without hot glue and prayers.

There is no way the CPU is bottlenecking the GPU in an i3 unless you're running something incredibly CPU intensive

Is it a lenovo ideapad?

@@jbritain I am running Asphalt 9 also it's an HP with bloatware😅. I hesitate to clean install I have lots of schoolwork and old games I'll lose.

I have read there is heating issue in some versions of SG2 and SG3. Would you pls specify about it? I am planning to buy either SG2 (Refurbished) or SG3 (New) for basic use like word/excel/you tube viewing as a secondary option but don’t want a roaster. Which version should I opt for basic use? 4GB/64 or 8GB/128? M3 or Pentium? Will appreciate your input. Thanks..

@@YashThakur-nw4ly Recommend as much RAM as possible as internet browsers just get more and more resource intensive! I had M3 version and had no issues with internet browsing and older (10+ year old) games. Never noticed any heating issues over the two years I had it!