James' wife: I wonder if he's thinking about other girls James: ...4 tablespoons of peanut butter on a sandwich is 18g of protein, but then the bread is 4g each...
@Charles Huang So why can only meat eaters look alpha asfk? I'm sure vegans can also look alpha asfk? Isn't it a bit stereotypical to assume that the alpha looking dude MUST be a meat eater and therefore CAN'T be vegan?
I would have been on his side if he hadn't been so manipulative with trying to re-phrase the meat dudes statement and then freezing on sentence fragments. It doesn't matter if a peanut butter has 1000 grams of protein if it's garbage quality and not available. The statement that you'd need five spoons of peanut butter in total is accurate. It's a shame no one slapped that weasel.
@PlantBlasedBlogger If a peanut butter sandwhich costs $100 US and you show up with $100 canadian, will you get your sandwhich? The answer is no because of conversion rates. He never bothered to address quality of protein, he's a manipulative turd and anyone who bought into his bullshit deserves to be conned.
"I’ve never seen a man talk so passionately about a peanut butter sandwich" It is the animals that he saves by exposing inaccuracies and distortions that fuels his passion.
Meat eater here... but I dont get the dismissive attitudes on here. right is right... James justifiably called out someone who falsely discredited his work.
I eat a plant-based diet with some meat, specifically 2 or 3 meals a week, it's way easier to avoid deficiencies and you can still satisfy any meat cravings. If you feel bad about eating meat you can try to buy ethically sourced meat. believe the proper term is flexitarian or semi-vegetarian
I’ve been eating strictly whole food plant based for over a year and feel great. I’ve especially noticed a huge decrease in inflammation that plagued me for so many years. With that being said I attribute most of that to cutting out processed junk/ fast food from my diet completely. I think anyones health will dramatically improve vegan or meat eater from doing just that. Cut the processed junk and you’ll be considerably healthier
What is peanut butter if not highly processed food? I can't explain to my grandfather who is 103 old what is modern food like oeanut butter. He only knows dairy and meat, and yes some sprouted wheat.
@@soulcostume don't you think it's interesting that peanut butter that is only made of peanuts is twice as expensive as the major brands that add sugar and palm oil?... and the expensive stuff has about a half inch of oil on top. But the cheaper stuff is what most people buy because they don't want to stir in the oil, don't read the labels and don't want to pay twice as much.
@@ericskinner7355 That's why whole food plant based CAN be healthy. But people who don't know much about dieting, will likely have convenient food quite often I'd say. All of the vegan products like peanut butter, plant milks, vegan cookies, hummus, vegan cheese/burgers. It's the absolute worst junk where even the cheapest bacon won't come close to harming anybody to such a degree. What's also funny that most vegan advocates aren't in favor of fats at all. Yea you can have some, but they don't want you eating 80gr of nuts in a setting. The main idea of the vegan diet was to keep you slim and keep your arteries clean. Also whoever said peanut butter isn't processed food, just what the hell. Cheese is processed food, just as peanut butter. My grandma also ate only meat, butter, cheese, potatoes. They have no idea what peanut butter is lol
@LEGENDS AND ICONS yeah but actually mostly good fat that we need to survive and be healthy. for example oleic acid which is important for good cholesterol, blood sugar and blood pressure. Just make sure you buy natural peanut butter without palm oil and white sugar
@@Asif-fk4ks You'd be surprised how many times ive been told to have a steak because i dont know what im missing out on, despite eating meat all my life. This kinda comment has the same sentiment
@@janieswanson2549 I don't use animal products. Because it makes sense in all the ways to do so. In my opinion it's just because everybody grew up using animal products, that they're still being used
@@KeiAKWs "I don't use animal products." Remember you said that. Animal based stearic acid and animal based activated carbon are the industry standard in processor manufacturing. How did you reply without using something with a processor? Smoke signals? I guess your answer to my simple fact based question is denial...
why are people having problems with James being confrontational? Joe & Chris literally called James & his film a liar using nothing but bro science for 2 hours straight.. James destroying them both is only justice..
However, he did not destroy anyone but him self. His arguments are at times illogical, he is proven wrong several times, at points arguing to the degree of semantics.
Wise Owl Intuitive Services it once in the entire 3 hour interview did they admit they were wrong. In fact over and over they say they was not my argument and I agree with what you are saying and that has nothing to do with my argument. Did you watch the entire video because I doubt it. What Chris and joe did is agree on several points and even find common ground many times. What James did is accept data that was good for him and deny data that was not. Please don’t be like James here and make it all one sided It was very clear James was emotionally charged and falsely represented many facts in his movie as the post I put down proved.
Wise Owl Intuitive Services ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-V1esrQrYIso.html this is James facing facts and getting extremely emotional and clearly lieing despite joe and Chris being fair
@@MrTiton536 Very well said, james pretty much ignored and tried to say anything chris brought to the table was rubbish simply because he did not know the source of the funding pretty much, which is ludicrous.
No fuckin way a peanut butter sandwich is 30 grams of quality protein.... a slice of bread being 5 grams of protein seems like a stretch. Fucking vegan dictator trying to tell me I'm healthier eating a POOR SANDWICH RATHER THAN CHICKEN AND RICE? TFOH
Gotta give you credit Joe. I'm glad you had James back on the show. I believe the movie Game Changers is the best way to communicate to the "average" person, that they can heal their bodies, extend endurance and obtain a bounty of fiber through whole foods plant base diets. I have personally achieved a remarkable 70 lb body weight loss, lowered total cholesterol from 232 to 155, blood pressure regularly 125/72. I'm 65, take no meds and am still very active in my lifestyle. Thank you for this episode. :)
"Game Changers" was just a cash grab. Everyone in the video is either back to eating animal products or never stopped. James even admitted a couple years ago that he eats honey from his neighbor's hives. This is all just to make money.
@@SteversChed it's hilarious. Dude lost 70lbs. Can you imagine losing a middle schooler (70lbs) and attributing how good you feel to "cause plants"? Adding a heavy load of fibre to the diet of someone 70-100lbs overweight can help. But if you're that overweight, it's clear there are compound issues that led to your feelings before and after that much change to your body. My wife is an R.D. who deals with people who "lose" weight but then never pay attention to the true health crisis they have. Mental illness, abuse, depression, bipolar disorder, multiple personality disorder, diabetes, food preparation, staying in motion, surgical repair of injured limbs...so many thing. Vegetable made man better. No meat made man better. Just awful black and white statements. Meat is good. Vegetables are good. Fish is good. Eggs are good. Fats are good. A reasonable consumption of all of them combined with mental health & physical activity ALL are the answer. It's never "vegetable right" "meat wrong"
I get what he's saying, but isn't he still wrong? The only way the peanut butter sandwich gets to the same ammount of protein is the bread. It's over half the protein. If you had those eggs poached on bread or the beef in a toasted sandwhich, you'd get way more protein. I know in the doco they said 'peanut butter sandwhich', but the implication is the protein content is by virtue of *only* the peanut butter. That's what I would assume given how it was presented, and the fact most bread isn't Vegan.
Half a block of tempeh, which is approximately the size of a deck of cards has 20g of protein. Plus its not at all misleading what he said because he took a common food that most people eat that is vegan. Many people eat peanut butter with two slices of bread. He could have brought up extra firm tofu which has high protein and requires no prep.
@@naschylobo most bread is vegan. And the reason they brought up the peanut butter sandwich in the film is because people tend to have the misconception that its hard to get a decent amount of protein from plants, but with a simple snack like pb sandwich, you can. Most people would not even think that the amount of protein is comparable to some meat, but it in fact is and the same is true for many other plants. Beans, legumes, tempeh, tofu, seitan, etc....
@@naschylobo The issue is however not trying to get more protein than say an egg or ground beef sandwich like you've stated. It's to get a healthy amount in general, and the idea that you can't get that from plants is absolutely ludicrous and insanely laughable. Humans don't even need crazy amounts of protein to function day to day, 60grams max at best which is not hard at all to achieve, you only need to take more care if you have other diet considerations like a condition or you're a gymbro trying to gain mass.
Going on 8 years vegan, 90% whole plant foods, I use protein powders when I’m building muscle just like I did when I wasn’t vegan. It inspired me to get my Masters in nutrition as a RDN. I will never not be vegan. Thank you for this Joe and James.
What is your favorite plant protein? Pea, hemp, rice, blends? Or something else? I’ve tried a lot but have trouble finding a blend or brand I really like
@@twelveteen952 They all supply enough essential amino acids. Protein grams are really all that matters so I just focus on the most extensively tested product for heavy metals and other contaminants. My favorite is probably vivo life, Vega
@@ant9228 You're aware processors are made with animal based stearic acid and animal based activated carbon right? How do you think you're making comments here? Smoke signals? It's funny how quickly you people resort to name calling. Try again. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment?
@@AP-nc5ek Urtekram has really nice organic crunchy peanut butter that I consume on a daily basis. It has no other ingredients than organic peanuts and a pinch of Himalayan salt.
Hi e deserved it though he basically tried to ruin the mans career he clearly put a lot of effort into the documentary to inform the public whereas Chris was misleading like who even quotes themselves?
James doesn't understand that bread has a fuck ton of fiber which will drag away the protein content. If you have 8 grams of protein and 4 grams of fiber you get 3.5 grams of protein from the source. James is spreading misinformation as someone who has taken nutrition as a major and knows biology this is how vegans think they know their shit.
He shouldn't have. James' beloved peanut butter sandwich is lesser quality protein and is loaded with sugar and carbs and more calories. The meat alone is simply fats and protein.
@@A_M_P_please explain the “quality protein”, be specific, because as far as I can see eating a range of non-animal products collectively amounting to a full amino acid profile is better than eating meat, due to the lack of saturated fats and heme iron (which is linked with colon cancer among other illnesses).
Yeah and grass fed isn't all THAT lean. 97-3 is super lean regardless of if it's grass or grain fed, 88-12 to 93-7 is more typical for grass fed, the vegan had a valid point on that; he essentially added 9%-4% more protein to the meat calculation.
What a dumb thing to argue about. People have been eating vegan/plant based diets for so long. It’s a part of a lot of pretty ancient cultures. You don’t need to be a genius or a scientist to realize that.
Protein is made up of amino acids. Plant protein doesn't have a complete chain of amino acids like meat does. Also to mention there are many vitamins needed for survival that aren't found in plants. These people are comparing plant vs animal protein it's a silly comparison. You're saying there's a lot of veganism in ancient cultures right. What the fuck would you know about ancient cultures? You're just pulling a fake story out of your ass. Tribes have been hunting for a long time not sitting around being vegan. it's documented everywhere.
Joe I applaud you for putting up this. I seriously do. This man literally tore apart the carnivorous diet. He has debunked everything you have ever said on your show. Yet you still posted it. I’m seriously impressed. Thank you for being non biased and objective.
animal protein reigns supreme. not for the quanitity, one can get plenty of protein from plants. why does plant protein suck dick? 1 word: leucine get educated.
@@DarkoFitCoach you completely missed the point of my comment (which wasn’t for you btw). He’s allowing the man to put his point across without being bombarded with subjective bullshit. I don’t give an ass hole if it’s better or not. He made his point and he did it well. End of story. Your side note did nothing but show people you 1. Can’t stay on subject and 2. Butt in to other people’s comments without being asked for your opinion. Here’s my side note. Most people who eat “vegan”, don’t want animals to be slaughtered for their benefit. Is animal protein better? Don’t know, not a nutritionist. What DO I know? It’s a personal choice. This man CHOOSES not to kill things to get his amino acids. You clearly don’t. Do I care? Nope. And btw. Plenty of meat eaters suck dick too. Just saying. That’s why they’re call “meat” eaters. 💁🏽♂️
@@jeremymetcalf6131 so if vegans mostly do it for ethics of it why did the vegan guy focus so much on nutritional side of vegan food? Why not just say hey we do it for ethics and who cares about protein?
who else stopped this half way, to make a peanut butter sandwich with 2 tbs peanut butter and 2 slices of bread ,roughly 18 grams of protein and 410 cal?
I'm a meat eater...but this guy more than proved his point. We CAN get enough protein from other sources. But some meat eaters get so angry when they watch this. Don't worry...no one will force you to go vegan.
Kresser didn't really point out the most important aspects of why vegans don't get enough protein: Low bioavailiblity, High anti-nutrient profile, high omega 6. It felt like Kresser was used as a strawman in Wilk's arguments.
Taylor Page that’s just not true isn’t an argument. Search for bioavailability of plants VS animal products you’d see, for example, that beta carotene needs to be converted to Vit A, which happens at such a small rate. Anti nutrients - the plants defense mechanisms make it difficult for the body to absorb nutrients from plants via phytic acid/ goitrogens/ oxalates etc depends on the food, thus one can get bloated, gassy etc from eating those foods which contain them (all plant foods have some of those in different amounts). Fermentation can greatly reduce the anti nutrient contents, though
Yonatan M bloating has nothing to do with the food itself being gas causing (with the exception of beans which have indigestible sugars). Bloating will typically occur when combining foods with vastly different microbiota profiles. Bacteria that feed on meats, grains, pulses, and leafy greens are all different, some of them being very different. Mixing all these foods leaves your gut bacteria in almost constant competition in terms of population. If one were to eat meat typically and then decide to stop and eat berries and leafy greens, this change in diet will upset the bacterial profile in the gut and cause a die off of bacteria that feed on meat since the profile of bacteria that typically feed on meat do not feed on plant matter. This die off of bacteria causes gas and bloating. It would seem to most that eating leafy greens and berries, therefore = gas and bloating. Not so, however. If one were to continue eating leafy greens and berries for 2-3 weeks, the bacterial profile of the gut normalizes and you have no gas, bloating, or discomfort. When it comes to pulses, indigestible substances like oligosaccharides aren't digested because most humans don't have the enzymes required to break them down and they begin to ferment and off-gas in the colon. So, it's actually the transition from one type of food to another (resulting in a subsequent transition in gut microbiota) that will typically cause gas and bloating (again, with the exception of pulses).
I'm vegan but I respect ur opinion. I hate the feeling when I tell someone I'm vegan and they get angry at me and tell me why I'm wrong. I appreciate your open mind!
@@findingtruth7323 natural peanut butter is very healthy, contains a good amount of protein and healthy fat, and many vitamins and important minerals. if your're talking about processed peanut butter which are loaded with added sugars and salt, like skippy or jif, then your're correct.
All I can add to this is that I'm a 52 year old fully plant-based Vegan and have been doing a body recomp and have had no trouble getting in 200 grams of protein a day at ~2000 calories. It's my diet carefully planed out? Yes. But you'd have to plan out your diet carefully to recomp regardless.
Hey Francisco that’s awesome to hear. I’m trying to cut down on meat and I need to hit about 150 g of protein a day. So far I get a lot from peanut butter, eggs, and protein powder, but I’d like to know what you usually eat to hit that goal. Thanks!
@@CAD_Creator My guess would be stuff like seitan (or wheat gluten), as that has pretty much the highest protein content vs calories, but tofu is also good, and tempeh. Kidney beans, black beans, pretty much any beans are good, too, and lentils help a lot to use instead of rice (I mean rice is great, but just doesn't have as much protein). All the best, mate.
@Nellie RuttenCongratulations! You put so much effort into writing an exquisitely stupid comment. Now put your biases aside and put the same effort into actually thinking about this argument and you'll see how wrong you are.
@Nellie Rutten Yeah, I got to side with the vegans man. Its been proven time and time again, that it can be done for an entire human lifespan, with incredible results.
This isn’t how the dude is all the time. This is what happens when people go on smear campaigns to falsely “debunk” his life’s work. Should he be nicer to the guy who told an audience of millions of people that he’s lying?
You mean like the last one or the one before that about B12 lol, sure, did the guy get things wrong about his studies, yes, but his point was, was that people supplement anyway, whether through pills etc or animals & Omnivores have a higher chance of getting B12 then Vegans & Vegetarians lol but then the dude just wants a YES man & tells Joe like 10 times "Joe, come on, come on" looking for validation lol liike dude, we get it, he was wrong. But that wasnt his point.
Regarding B12 he wasn't aware. It was not even that big. James claimed that they are only source of B12 while here the supplement clearly states it's for deficiency. James oversold it. Chris just was ignorant and didn't research enough.
His life work that starts by claiming Gladiators were somehow vegetarian by choice, because they knew something we didn't.. Just casually skipping over the agenda of the doc by pretending that it's not a doc about veganism.
You're going to consume more calories, sugar, and carbs eating pure veggie protein. With ground beef and pther meats it's just fats, protein, and calories.
RARAYAYA RAA you honestly don‘t sound very objective. Calling other people pathetic isn‘t exactly respectful either. You are the typical disciple and just confirming what I said. Also, James wasn‘t objective either. He just showed a bunch of „facts“ without forming any arguments. Most points Chris made still stand. Joe and Chris realized very early that James is not able to have a debate and it will just be a presentation of some vegan „facts“. It was a very poor performance because James couldn‘t form any argument outside his scripted presentation. Chris didn‘t perform much better though, he didn‘t even try. (Well, he didn’t have a religion to defend)
@RARAYAYA RAA If you can only defend Veganism by bashing people questioning it, just as James does in these videos, then you clearly have zero evidence that it is as healthy as the video is trying to claim.
I’m 53 yrs old and I’ve been a heavy meat eater everyday of my life 2-3 times a day! I have diabetes high blood pressure amongst other health issues. The day I watched GC I became a vegan and I haven’t looked back! Tomorrow I have blood work labs for my health issues all I’ve got to say is in the 7 weeks I’ve been doing this I have lost 20lbs now I’m under 200lbs for the 1st time since 9th grade! I feel better and I have more energy, but the real deal will be in the blood work! Thanks for GC for saving my life! I forgot about posting my comments but the results speak for themselves my doctor was ready to give me a brow beating because I missed my dietician appointment but she couldn’t deny that the facts in my blood work labs proved!!! My next Dr. appointment is in 3mo and it will show that a plant based diet does work on diabetes and high blood pressure along with lowering cholesterol so that you maybe able to get off all the medications that I have been consuming to maintain my health.
Congrats friend and I hope you let us know how those test results work out for you. Dec 27th will be 4 years for me and it'll be nearly 100 lbs for me.
Well yea dude if you generally change your diet to a healthier diet you will always see beneficial results. Youve been mainly a omnivore I assume but youve most likely been eating junk. Burgers and such. So now you're aware of this you now avoid these foods. Thuse the negative effects of them. Same thing happens when people go on fad diets they see results on any trend diet simply because people become aware of what they are no shoving in their mouths. Thus lose weight and good blood work. It has nothing to do with you going vegan. The problem with veganism is its not good for males the very reason is you lose alot of base nutrients and quality protein from meat. Meaning huge muscle loss. Espicially if you are not trackimg yoyr macros and your protein should be a gram x your weight in lbs. They best diet is to inlcude all foods in your diet especially meat. But to continue to be aware of what you stick in your mouth. Mostly whole foods. By that I mean simply cooked veggies and meat. Steak, Chiken, fish, avoid grease and mixed ingrediant foods. Plus being only vegan will fuck up your gut biome in ways you'll regret
Been vegan for years and I’ll never go back - I’m strong light on my feet happy and aging very slowly. James killed it, his frustration is collectively felt based on non stop criticisms and misinformation #PlantPower
@@calebfronk8256 I don't know crap but the same meat protein is the same calories.... But again I have no idea what is the ''better"" protein Not that I give a crap
Dude the Protein you eat from meat is recycle protein the actual protein is the food the animal eat why you think towels and gorillas are so big cuz their eating natural protein
@Wulfheort Everything you said is absolutely true but you're arguing a point that doesn't exist brother. The plants humans are adapted to eat are not the cellulose heavy grass stalks that ruminants eat. If the point being made was that we're supposed to be eating only grass you would've knocked it out of the park. But that's what people like you do, didn't even listen to the video you're commenting on and go to the comments with the disinformation you cling to to feel validated in your beliefs. Joe Rogan himself admitted that James was correct in this video, maybe do the same and acknowledge the facts staring you directly in the face. If you actually knew about digestive enzymes, you would know of the amylase in our saliva , which breaks down carbohydrates. Meat doesn't contain any carbohydrates, plants do. So how do you reckon that "carnivores" are adapted to break down a macronutrient that doesn't exist in meat, but in plants. If you knew anything about carnivorous anatomy, you would know that they swallow their food whole after biting it off with elongated jaws with sharp molars. Humans have flat molars with a flexible jaw, adapted to break down and chew plant fibers. I hope this clears up your confusion.
@Wulfheort Again brother, speaking truth but you don't have the comprehension to interpret your own knowledge. We cannot digest fiber, that is a fact. Fiber isn't made to be broken down for nutrients, we use insoluble fiber to aid in digestion and excrete waste and toxins. If you were correct in that fiber is bad for us, explain diverticulitis, a disease that happens when someone doesn't eat any fiber. Some people are exceptions and have underlying diseases that make them sensitive to fiber, but only a fool would fall for generalization fallacy. Antinutrients are also not a risk to overall health. Most are broken down when cooked, and when raw only have the capability to block only some of the nutrients consumed, not a problem if you're eating a diverse diet. And plants cause heart disease now? Please. I'd like to see one peer reviewed study that finds those conclusions, but all of them find the contrary. I find it interesting your confidence that you are right while making some preposterous claims that vegetables are unhealthy, easily explained by the dunning kruger effect. You do your research on google search engines, find opinion pieces written by under qualified writers, and assume it's fact because you don't know any better. Maybe use PubMed, a free medical research database to learn about nutrition. You need to build up your knowledge from scratch.
@@trenxee1165 -- I'm on a low carb diet and have more energy than ever. I'm stronger and have more muscle mass. I feel an order of magnitude better than I was before the diet.
Not at all actually. No bioavailability in plant based protein vs abundantly bioavailable animal protein. Therefore, peanut butter sandwich protein = garbage
@@mu6247able Depends on the plant honestly. Certain plants actually have a very good amino acid profile, where his argument fails is really based on the calorie efficiency of the protein sources.
It’s not hearing it’s comprehension. Joe, Chris and Jamie all seem exhausted from lunch while this UFC fighters brain is operating at 100%. Vegan is the way to go.
Man he knews his shit. He jumped on that SO fast when the error was made and of the 4 ppl in the room he's the only one who noticed it. Man was prepared.
Joe Rogan! By posting all this content you definitely have my respect. Accepting actual facts and posting it talks a lot about you! At the end of the day what matters is the truth! Much respect ✊
I feel like no one is talking about how petty some of these arguments are. Like yeah, he said it would take 5 tbl of peanut butter. It's called rhetoric and he was laughing a bit while he said it. It's actually more like 3? And he thought that needed to be debunked? Just weird. And it's easy to forget the "quantity of protein" depends on 1) how much is bioavailable (ever seen peanuts in your shit? they don't digest too well, meaning you don't get all the protein in them) and 2) the amino acid profile of those peanuts and that bread, which is for sure less complete than animal products.
@@libertyprime9307 when peanuts are ground into peanut butter rhe absorption rate drastically increases like many other foods dude lol corn is almost useless in its whole form but ground into flour or blended its very nutritious, catch the drift?
@@davidwilliams9386 Valid point. Afaik, you're probably right that peanut butter's protein is more digestible than whole peanuts. But by how much? I don't know. Do you?
He had prepared for months before this "debate", but he doesn't actually debate, he just talks over the both of them and doesn't allow any questions... So this is a pretty dishonest video
@@Livinlivin836 I'm not disputing that, but facts can be severely misleading too. I'm a Data analyst I know what I'm talking about. Take for example the popular wage gap myth, "a woman makes 7c less to the dollar against a man". This is true only when the analysis is taken at a macro level with no variables included, when you account for variables, the wage gap dissappears entirely and in some instances, fashion, beauty, and teaching for example woman actually make more than men. James gave you one fact, but Chris might have had ten facts sat there which might have blown him out the water, but we will never know because James tried as hard as he could to prevent anyone else in the room from saying anything other than what he told them to say.
Whole food plant based since April 2019 and never had leaner muscle or stamina. The freakin Uber driver guessed that I was 27 (I'm fuckin 40). When I was eating beef and greens I couldn't shit right. Again....everyone's unique....but once I saw Gamechangers and Forks Over Knives..and I learned that animal protein and fat wasn't a dietary requirement...I felt like 'holy shit meat has always creeped me out' so I RAN the heck the other direction. Now I cook super tasty and interesting recipes and feel like a young teen. Food has never been more exciting and flavorful. Put life in your gut, not corpses!
James makes film: gets criticized James defends: points out facts about protein, brings presentation and an outline of notes that he wrote down while watching Chris’s debate... Joe & Chris: yep
@@Bluegrasshero its not hate you muppet. He is saying the truth. You will feel better if you change your diet in a clean vegan or non veg way if you were eating crap prior to that. Doesnt mean vegan is better or non veg is better. Just be open minded and try both
@@BruceLee1.0 I'm vegetarian going on 4 years now. Must be hard for you being incompetent as I was replying to rijo kriptos comment, not Joe Rogan's guest.
ColdCutz lol this entire video was him proving no one lied about his movie. They quoted over and over that was not my argument “James then says “ well yeah but it was part of what you said in a fraction of one sentence and it’s all I can defend so here goes
I’m not a vegan but I fucking love how organized and thought out the vegan dude was. That fact he made the meat guy answer basic questions that help his abutment was pure gold.
@@wowowowzzz Already have and still am considering it. Primarily for the potential health benefits. So hard to know whats true and whats not. I have seen so many pros & cons for both vegan diets and non-vegan diets. I have also heard of so many positive and negative stories from both sides too. I probably will give it a shot sooner or later to experience it first hand. Are you a vegan? If so, how is your experience? Be as unbiased as you can. Pros & cons. :-)
@@christianstordahl8688 That's great you are considering it. I agree there is a lot of conflicting information out there. And I don't feel confident enough to say whether non-vegan or vegan is healthier. But I did decide to be vegan recently. My thinking was that even if going vegan wasn't AS healthy, I'd rather not support the torture of animals. I have been cutting down on animal products over the last year. I was eating eggs a few times a week and meat maybe once or twice a month most of the year. There was a time where I was feeling some brain fog. But it's hard to say if that was due my diet or me switching from an extremely active, social job (~50 hours of constant movement per week) to a completely remote job and not having any social interaction. I started supplementing Choline and working out more which seemed to help quite a bit. I've been completely vegan for about a month now. It's hard sometimes but it gets easier everyday. I have to pay more attention to what I eat to make sure I get the right nutrients. Overall it feels good to not be doing something I feel is morally wrong. I'd definitely invite you try it. If you do, I suggest a gradual transition. And explore foods that are meant to be vegan, not just veggie meats trying to replicate the real stuff. Either way, good luck!
@@wowowowzzz You know there is more to being vegan than just food right? Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or *USE* animal products. Smart phones, computers, routers, and servers are all made with and contain animal products.
I’ve been carnivore for 4 years and I’m the healthiest I’ve ever been. See how that works? We both cut out bad food and got healthy, it’s almost as if you can be healthy either way.
@@mrsansundertaleLOL😂not a good joke, good jokes are based on true facts, yours is just dumb joke., because you cannot be healthy in a carnivore diet. If you wanna try it, go ahead, you'll regret it but go ahead,
@@puercoespineta you can’t be healthy on a carnivore diet? 😂 That someone that would write something so stupid would ever use the word “facts” is the best joke ever! You can’t be healthy as a vegan without supplements, there’s not a single essential carbohydrate.
I love James’ competitiveness. I totally understand why he’s coming off the way he is, when someone comes at you and questions what you’ve spent so much time on, with false claims, it’ll bring this out of you.
My mom who is worried about my diet because i went vegan this year keep asking me everyday if i got enough proteins as if it was the only nutrient we needed
True. Like Chris said, it's not just about quantity, it's about quality. And beyond that, it's about other nutrients and their bioavailability, the type of fats and carbs, potential antinutrients, and more.
"Did Joe and Chris each take a handful of sedatives before this bit? " Common.. Every meat consumers has been there before. They are just as lethargic as I was after consuming meat without coffee. They are dissociating, it's safer there.
This always pops up for me and I always watch it again. As a plant-based eater (~6 years?) I'm ASTOUNDED to hear that I'm not getting enough protein. I mean, 6 years of deficiency should show some negative symptoms, surely. However, here I am tossing around my 70-100lb kettlebells and running 25-30 miles a week. 6' @ ~175lbs isn't bad for someone who should be dying of malnutrition. When will people realize that we all have different requirements, and that NO single diet is perfect for everyone? People doing carnivore wreck their health JUST LIKE the vegan/plant-based eaters who do it wrong.
Problem is that the people supporting the meat industry want to make you think that being vegan just means cutting out meat of your diet and thus not getting enough nutrients in instead of what you actually do, which is replacing meat and other animal products with nutritionally equivalent or even better products.
To prevent deficiency, the recommended consumption is .8 g/kg BW. If you were interested in maximizing hypertrophy, you’d want to push that to the ranges referenced in this video. Lean meats do offer more grams of protein per calorie and allow for more sources of complete proteins than vegan sources. It’s possible to hit these numbers with a vegan diet, but more challenging.
Its a very good practice for finding strength and weaknesses in your own argument, shaping it to be as accurate as possible. Also to find better ways to word the argument which makes it easier to understand. When you contradict yourself and realize earlier ideas might not be as true as you once thought, it helps you learn to be more open minded and actually listen and try to understand peoples perspective on things which is important for a healthy argument.
Superb proof that a plant based diet rules!!! Almost 20 years ago I quit eating meat & sugar. The heck with meat. I live clean, healthy on a plant based diet with not 1 health issue going on 58 years old. See my videos.
Loaded with coke. The speed of his speech and the nasal back of the throat sound gives it away. He was also gagging on the drip when he wasn't talking.
@@TrueSaintly he wasn't on a vegan whole foods diet, he was on a raw food diet. Ofc you look like a piece of paper after that. But he couldve gained muscle in the years and years of eating meat AFTER his raw vegan diet... illogical
I was 46 years old 300 lbs and had stomach issues, fatty liver, borderline high cholesterol and 300 testosterone. I then did my own research and went on a whole plant based diet and lost 50 lbs then got in the gym and started working out 4 to 5 days a week now I’m 47 years old 245 lbs and shredded and when I went back to the doctor I have reversed my fatty liver and lowered my bad cholesterol and raised my testosterone to 600. I am proof that going plant based can help so many things. I didn’t even know about game changers until I saw this and wow is it a good documentary.
@@SteversChed It’s not a diet it’s a way of life, and I wasn’t gluttonous. In fact I’ve never had much of a sweet tooth and I didn’t really consume processed foods. My problem was I was always a gym guy and when I didn’t have time to get in the gym I would still eat the steaks, the chicken, the pork and the fish like I was in the gym and I got a big gut I was still just as strong, just had a big gut my cholesterol was getting high blood pressure was getting high. I made a change and you can live a very healthy life on plans alone. It’s hard work no doubt it’s not for everyone takes a lot of planning and meal prep to figure out how to keep the calories down and the protein up, but if I can make the change anyone can and if you don’t want to don’t. But don’t say it can’t be done.
@@bigdog6154 You use animal products intentionally and needlessly that are possible and practicable to avoid... So yeah...just a diet for you. So nothing else or are you going to make more things up?
@@bigdog6154 You use animal products intentionally and needlessly that are possible and practicable to avoid... So yeah...just a diet for you. So nothing else or are you going to make more things up?
Between James licking his lips like the Joker and the aggressive cutting off/verbal manhandling he's doing, I was half expecting him to start beating Chris with a peanut butter sandwich.
Peanut butter and jelly sandwich is highly glycemic. Great video but some holes. When Americans replaced saturated fat with "carbs and grains"... obesity and heart diseases sky rocketed.
lol. You did exactly what Chris is guilty of. They’re talking about a peanut butter sandwich. No jelly, no added sugar, and whole grain bread. That is not highly glycemic. Is only highly glycemic when you strawman the argument by talking about a different sandwich…
