CAN YOU MAKE TITANIUM & STEEL DAMASCUS?!?!

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@MrMarc999999999 5 лет назад

Hey Alec, before you do your next metallurgy experiment, you should lookup the crystal structure of each material you're working with as different crystal structures wont easily form interfaces with each other. In this case Titanium is a hexagonal closed packed (HCP) crystal and the steel is a body centered cubic (BCC) crystal which is why the two metals won't easily alloy (stick to each other). In your copper and nickel damascus video both copper and nickel are a face-centered cubic (FCC) crystal which is why the metals were able to alloy (stick) to one another to form the billet. There are some really cool periodic tables that tell you the crystal structure of elements so you can more easily make all kinds of Damascus. Also, if you're working with alloys (steels) the crystal structure of the alloy will usually be that of whatever is the most abundant in the metal. For example, steel is carbon and iron, carbon has a Diamond Cubic(DC) crystal structure while iron has a Body Centered Cubic Structure, but since there is wayyyy more iron than carbon in steel, the steel has the same crystal structure of iron (BCC). it'd be really cool if you did some tri-damascus, with like copper, bronze and aluminum!!! Keep up the great videos!!

@jarekad 2 года назад

Good point Marcus. Just one clarification - at forging temperatures steel actually has a FCC structure. C-steels are generally forged at higher temperatures than Ti alloys. PS. Perfect timing - two years later :D

@willj78 2 года назад

Man, I wish my material science professor went over that better, I found myself thinking more of chemistry and liquid metal solutions

@Bjokac 4 месяца назад

My thoughts exactly. But then how will a successfull weld of Fe and Ti cool down? The steel part will revert to Face-Center-Cubic, how would the join surface behave? One sure thing is: the cooling should be very slow. @@jarekad

@SivakAurak 6 лет назад

"What's the worst that could happen?" Thermite reaction eats the forge, probably. That would be bad.

@MortRotu 6 лет назад

SivakAurak noooo, forges are replaceable, there are way worse things that could happen than that.

@VoIcanoman 6 лет назад

Yes, this is technically possible (though "eating the forge" is out of the question). Titanium is next to aluminum on the metal reactivity series, so if enough iron oxide built up on the steel surfaces, pure titanium at high temperatures could definitely initiate such a reaction. This is unlikely to occur though because titanium itself is so easily oxidized, and thus you're far more likely to have a pure steel surface engaging with a TiO2 surface, and this is not an energetically favourable condition for such a reaction. It would be like trying to get Al2O3 to have a thermite reaction with iron.

@auoro 6 лет назад

if that had happened, the title of the video would be sure about that, including a thumbnail of the hammer igniting fire,

@Diverlman 6 лет назад

Would make an awesome video thou.

@lancer2204 6 лет назад

If the Ti ever starts to burn cover it in sand... unless you want to dissociate hydrogen and oxygen in the water and create water agsin when it explosively recombines...

@benpickens9918 4 года назад

How to make a titanium bomb with Alec Steele: 1) Weld titanium to steel to ensure the possibility of trapped oxygen inside 2) Put in forge to cause extreme heat 3) Squeeze with hydraulic press to create high pressure 4) Hit with hammer to create sudden shock 5) BOOM!! 💥

@appa609 4 года назад

relax there's oxides coating everything and the effective surface area is not significant

@seanlanders4180 4 года назад

Its all killed flat and clamped with a kant twist prior to welding. There's not nearly enough air inside to cause any kind of significant pressure, and the oxygen content of the air inside of those potential spaces is definitely not enough to cause an explosion.

@TallCanDan02 4 года назад

A titanium self injury bomb at best

@de0509 3 года назад

Bruh. Titanium thermite

@actualsize123 3 года назад

i love titanium. its such a tease. its super light, super strong, has a high melting point, and fucking explodes.

@victor9sur768 6 лет назад

To work with titanium in the lab normally I'm working with TiO2 (titanium dioxide) mainly due to the fact that titanium reacts with just about every oxidising agent under the sun (sulfur, oxygen, nitrogen and the halogens) and if it forms TiO2 you're buggered its pretty much the most stable metal oxide very difficult to get it to revert or go back to Ti(0) it loves to be Ti(4) unless you pump it with hydrogen at high temps. we compress our compound into a pellet under about 10 tons of pressure then keep a constant argon flow over it at high temp (1200-1500 C) for anything between 2 and 72 hours, the high pressure just tries to get the grains as close as physically possible, (titanium forms grains much smaller than iron therefore they don't tend to mix correctly unless they are under silly pressure) and the high temp to attempt to dissolve a reacting compound into the structure. I suspect the alloy of titanium, if you say its from the medical engineering side, is probably Ti-6Al-7Nb, it contains about 5% Aluminium and 5% niobium these also like to be in a well oxidised state, additionally niobium doesn't exist in an alloyed state its more like islands of niobium spattered throughout the structure. The main issue with this alloy is that the titanium tends to exist in a close packed array, locking the titanium into a position where it cannot migrate across the grain boundary into the steel that you used. At the low(ish) temps you are using you don't have enough energy to force the lattice to break down and any higher temp without an inert atmosphere would be way too sketchy. Hope this explains some of your issues you've been experiencing, you could try manganese, zinc, nickel or molybdenum instead these don't tend to be so volatile under an oxidative atmosphere, at least no more than iron.

@AlecSteele 6 лет назад

Truly phenomenal advice and insights! Thak you!

@AlecSteele 6 лет назад

Thank*

@sirtirinato 6 лет назад

Wow

@sirtirinato 6 лет назад

Pleas keep smashing different metals! The suspense if you can do it or not is fantastic!

@BattleBorn13 6 лет назад

I'd also suggest using the Press rather than the Power-hammer. As you've seen, hot titanium does not like to be struck, and it'll only get worse at hotter temps.

@robbertburger9381 6 лет назад

Couple of things; Always use coolant with a Roughmill (the 4 cutter with teeths) (sry dont know the english name cause dutch to english doesnt translate 1:1 that often in machining terms) Always Use coolant on Titanium when machining, Ti is self hardening so no cooling means you hardening the outside layer of the Ti real fast as the tool absorbs all the heat hardens the material and therfore hardens more and destroys the tool. Also the Spindle speed is less then 25% of how you fast you would cut Stainless while Feed stays the same or sometimes higher (depends on diameter) Working as a CNC machiner and programmer and (for me) old school lathe and mill for 13 years as prof and done all types of titanium from grade 1 to Aircraft grade (grade 6) would love to teach you about Machining! Keep it up! love your work! :D

@AlecSteele 6 лет назад

Thank you 🙏🙏🙏

@ColtaineCrows 6 лет назад

Not sure which mill tool you're actually referring to, but the first one Alec used is usually known as a Roughing End Mill, the second he used with the carbide inserts is usually referred to as a face mill in ye olde English.

@robbertburger9381 6 лет назад

Well basicly with any titanium machining you use Coolant, also with grinding you cant go nuts on it either also keep it cool otherwise it will destroy grinding belts. But yes the roughing end mill, but wasnt completely right only with most basic steel dont rly have to use it (But usealy i do cause i dont brush the material off i use the whole length of tools / full power of machines) Also ty i need to learn the english tool names and jargon.

@0ToleranceX 6 лет назад

Love how much I learn reading the comments after watching the videos. Thanks, Robbert!

@dusktheowlgryphon 4 года назад

Me, sitting here with a titanium plate in my collarbone: cool.

@brandonfoley7519 3 года назад

Titanium is good stuff

@respectthedark2299 3 года назад

Haha same bike crash

@MD-kv3zf 3 года назад

Titanium and bone damaskus🤯🤯

@dusktheowlgryphon 3 года назад

impossible, but interesting

@DasNuk 3 года назад

I've got a titanium bracket holding my C3-C7 vertebrae in my neck together. Yay fusions.

@bearieroblox6451 4 года назад

Is it just me or does Alec look like the kid with glasses from Stuart little?

@sergiograndio577 4 года назад

He grew up duh

@Ernest_XX 4 года назад

Stuart little is a warcriminal

@hellokitty69 4 года назад

i cannot unsee that

@stephendoherty1275 4 года назад

And Ralphie from A Christmas Story!

@shesaiddestroy000 3 года назад

imagine waiting for your parents with the new brother and they show up with a fucking rat

@CNCKitchen 6 лет назад

Hi Alec, titanium and steel are very hard to bond. Though a way to get it working is to use a thin silver layer in between which is usually done by silver plating the steel. Good luck!

@Kalanchoe1 5 лет назад

sounds like a good idea that is fairly easy to do.

@joshhill5932 5 лет назад

Wouldn't that just be soldering them together?

@Kalanchoe1 5 лет назад

I don't think the silver will melt at these temperatures to be considered soldering. I think it would be more like a surface prep for mating dissimilar metals since the plating would only be microns thick and hammering the pieces would warp the plating enough for it not to be continuous.

@-danR 5 лет назад

Don't use steel. Use straight elemental iron. There's too much crap, besides oxygen, getting in the way of a bond.

@maddox0110 5 лет назад

Titanium likes carbon a lot, more than steel, so you'll get TiC and Iron, and those don't bond either.

@robfenwitch7403 6 лет назад

Just think, if Alec's parents had been called Wood, we'd all be watching a cabinet-making video now :)

@AreCeeEffEx 6 лет назад

Rob Fenwitch 10/10 would still watch a bombastic well-filmed show about woodworking by Alec Woode

@poowhynot1268 6 лет назад

i feel sadly.. he would still be setting fire to his wood work somehow XD

@ducomaritiem7160 6 лет назад

Har Har! This one joke makes my day.

@fromtheusawithlove 5 лет назад

The ironic point is his dad is a carpenter.

@pongqmubarok8305 3 года назад

LOL

@trevinmerrill8656 3 года назад

When i weld titanium we purge it 100% till it’s to room temp. I got a few welds on some navy ships. We had a sleeve that had a window to go around the pipe joints and you weld in the window

@kingwolfjm8500 4 года назад

I think some 1095 blue spring steel with copper would look beautiful.

@ramsessilent 6 лет назад

A simple suggestion with doing this kind of thing with ti would be using your press. much safer then banging on it with a power hammer and ti fuses better under pressure. glad you did not blow up or burn down your shop though! thanks for the share and remember to stay awesome!

@seaforgedbladeworks7513 5 лет назад

Hey Alec, as a knifemaker who has made LOTS of titanium dive and edc knives. I can tell you that titanium does not bond well with ferric metals, i have heard some cool things about Titanium-Nickle alloys, maybe make a Titanium-Nickle damascus? May also exhibit some metamaterial properties such as temp-shape memory. I would love to see you try this!

@jonathanerickson1543 5 лет назад

What is the best metal for knives in for opinion?

@MrZetor 5 лет назад

@@jonathanerickson1543 Steel. It's also the only metal for knives. Ti-alloys can be used in climbing and seawater diving apparel, i.e., for emergency use only.

@jonathanerickson1543 5 лет назад

MrZetor got it. Yeah I’m familiar with titanium diving knives to a degree. Have an aunt who used to have a dive shop and they always fascinated me. I’d love to learn to make knives myself. What about TRUE Damascus because I found out the other day that Damascus steel generally is a misused term for stacked metals?

@bmxriderforlife1234 5 лет назад

you can get titanium and steel to bond to each other. it just requires certain conditions. however once done its apparently pretty strong.

@brian1were 5 лет назад

@@jonathanerickson1543 true damascus doesnt exist the recipe was lost long ago

@phobos1963 5 лет назад

try to fuse gold and titanium to make an iron man armor ^^ (edit: maybe just a glove ^^)

@zachdickens2636 5 лет назад

BlackNox_ sounds expensive as hell

@Twitch760 5 лет назад

What would the properties be of such an alloy? Hardness of Titanium and the malleability of Gold?

@wtfbbqpwnzercopter 5 лет назад

Gold in titanium/gold alloys typically was used to create a more temperature resistant alloy. From both cold and heat shocks. While still retaining the strength of titanium.

@garethbaus5471 5 лет назад

i always assumed the gold looking parts were a titanium nitride coating like on drill bits

@wtfbbqpwnzercopter 5 лет назад

@@garethbaus5471 You are correct but he was referring to the first Iron Man movie. Tony Stark makes the suit out of the gold/titanium alloy. Mostly for the resistance to temperature shock at high altitudes.

@j.macjordan9779 4 года назад

Mill a Steel sarcophagus of sorts that can fully encase say? two smaller, precisely machined Titanium blocks each w their own individual and separate seats in the sarcophagus. Once you've machined the Ti blocks, degrease...then electroplate them with a fair layer of Nickel; once that's done ...THEN electroplate the Nickel plated Ti blocks with a layer of Gold. Adjust the sarcophagus via mill again if needed. Degrease (maybe etch partially, or abrade partially the seats for the Ti blocks...i.e., stripes of abrasion and non-abrasion?), seat the dual plated Ti blocks into one half of the steel sarcophagus, then set the lid/other half to fully encase the Ti. Weld the sarcophagus closed...then send it to hell in the forge, high heat! Then begin to shape the metal .....IF YOU DARE!!!

@totallynotdyllan6587 6 лет назад

Alec is the type of guy to love brushing his teeth,since he can always touch up on his polishing skills

@matthewmcdannald5067 6 лет назад

That ti64 your working will be alot easier to work around 1900°F. I spent 5 years forging aircraft parts out this and many other metals. Also let it soak at temperature for 10 to 15 min. This should help with cold shuts.

@edrichcloete9964 6 лет назад

Matthew McDannald I was just about to say a higher temp would make it easier to work with. My only possible concern would be that because the steel moves so much easier at high temps it might create a small gap in the center of the “sandwich”. Oxides can then form which will refuse the welding of the two metals.

@Feralhyena 6 лет назад

Maybe an air-hardening steel instead of the 1095? Might give a wider window for fusion.

@joshhill5932 5 лет назад

Andy Thomas I think you are on to something. Using a stainless steel should work better cause it has a higher melting temp closer to Titanium.

@leonardoulian764 5 лет назад

The main problem is not forging Ti, is bonding to steel. I would use a very low carbon steel in order to prevent the formation of titanium carbide which is hard and brittle, as well as avoiding oxygen somehow

@lemax6865 5 лет назад

@@leonardoulian764*EDIT: I just realised that you meant using a bonding agent, like flux, between the layers to prevent oxygen from getting in there, and not working the metal in an oxygen-free environment. The rest of this comment is therefore irrelevant, since your idea, in fact, makes sense.* Setting up a workshop in such a way that you can isolate it from the atmosphere in order to create an oxygen-free work space sounds like it would be beyond his means. Besides, I'm not sure the forge can burn without an oxidizer to create combustion, he'd need an electrically heated one, and I bet those don't come cheap. Not to mention that he then would have to wear a tank of compressed breathing gas, which would be EXTREMELY dangerous around high-temperature materials. It'd be like working with an armed bomb on his back, just waiting for a spark to hit or a seal to fail. Clarification: I'm sure that such workshops COULD be created, but I don't believe he can afford one. And I don't know how else you'd avoid oxygen throughout the entire process.

@katanakultist8811 4 года назад

Watching you mill out that titanium really made me think back to my ctc doing machine tool tech. Glad I can keep up with your lingo

@edwardstrinden 5 лет назад

You can start with laminations of spring steel and titanium leaf and forge them together with explosion welding.

@ndw2m 6 лет назад

im going to tell you this because i know you are a person who appreciates doing the work regardless of the outcome. tonight is my wifes birthday and i just made her italian sausage ragu spaghetti from scratch with garlic herb dinner rolls from scratch. while it wasnt perfect i learned a lot and even though it wasn't pretty the flavors where great!

@AreCeeEffEx 6 лет назад

TheClassicRPGist this is an incredibly wholesome comment and i sincerely hope that your wife enjoyed the meal

@ndw2m 6 лет назад

she did!!!! or atleast she told me she did lol.

@alexrog6868 5 лет назад

One thing you should know about titanium is that its mealting is so high in comparison to most materials, and while it becomes somewhat maluable, it wont break, this means that you cant for a dimascus with steel and titanium unless you find a way to trap the molten steel between the almost molten titanium. Titanium takes several thousand degrees of heat to mealt, but it isnt a perfect conductor, so if you can put enough electricity through it, you may be able to get it hot enough. I'm not sure just how much heat it takes, but i know that it can take at least 3000 degreas of heat withought melting. Also most of the sparking is probably impurities in the titanium, including titanium oxide, however if you can expose it to enough carbon monoxide, any titanium oxide should act simmilar to thermite, releasing a ton of energy as the carbon monoxide rips away the oxygen, possibly heating up the metal enough to get near or even past the melting piont. If you are going to heat up titanium then your best bet for a crucible would be tungsten, and if you need to cut titanium, you will need a plasma cutter. The king of random made a cheap plasma furnis that you should be able to build easily if nessisary. Also watch the hacksmith's several thousand degree lightsaber build that talks a little about titanium and tungsten, as it uses a tungsten rod to maintain structural integrity, and uses a titanium tube to get extreamly hot. The backyard scientis also cast a sword from thermite, which is fairly usefull information as well.

@debbiebissel50 4 года назад

ALEC I've been enjoying your videos since you were in your first shop across the pond, I like that your willing to try almost anything and working with titanium is another great one. I used to machine magnesium and I had to keep a bucket of lime buy the machine so when there was a fire you could smother it because you could not put it out with an extinguisher. Now that was back in the mid 70s and I'm sure we have better ways today.Thank You Jake Bissel.

@serenelychaotic 4 года назад

Appreciate you doing vids on things you have no idea will work. Kudos to your bravery and science info sharing!

@natlek08 5 лет назад

As a titanium metallurgist, you are almost certainly dealing with Ti64. You already noticed this but the shaving are highly combustible and band saws don't like Ti. I can contest to titanium fires not wanting to go out, I have a few holes in my concrete as proof haha. I didn't see what type of extinguisher you have but a class d is the way to go with this material. But a gas fired or open air furnace is going to be tough for this. Ti welding is usually done in an inert Ar or He atmosphere like you said because of titanium's high affinity for oxygen. Despite the failure, still cool to watch

@foogoid8682 5 лет назад

I'm no metallurgist, but it says TA6V stamped on the bar stock.

@StefanLake88 5 лет назад

At 2:09 you can see he has two water extinguishers so probably a good thing he didn't make a big enough Ti fire to detonate.

@waymontaylor1556 5 лет назад

Years ago I used to work at titanium research and development. Company we used argon injected hot presses to form airplane parts.

@pault151 5 лет назад

Also a metallurgist, I can tell you Alec that even if you DO manage to bond the steel and Ti surfaces, at temperature, in absence of oxygen, what will immediately happen is that the carbon in the steel will migrate rapidly into the titanium forming a brittle carbide, leaving a soft layer of carbon free iron where the steel was. Then as you try to cool the sandwich, the fact that iron has a thermal expansion rate that is significantly larger than titanium will result in a huge shear stress across the interface and the steel (pure iron at surface) will try to peel away from the titanium. The (brittle as heck) titanium carbide layer will fracture and the whole thing will still come apart. Even if you avoided the carbon transfer reaction by using pure iron (a poor blade material to be sure) it would either fracture at the interface or just bend like a banana during cooling. While the TIG weld step was interesting, you were just creating a brittle coating of Ti + Fe + C intermetallics. FWIW there are band saw blades and cutting wheels that will cut titanium better than your garden variety shop blades/wheels but you won't find them at Home Depot. You /could/ have researched the feeds and speeds to use on titanium ahead of time but that does not seem your style.... So overall interesting to watch, like a train wreck, but it wasn't going to work. "Good judgment comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgment."

@jonquinn11 5 лет назад

the tig weld had nothing to do with the blanks not fusing. not enough temperature, and not enough forge hammer pressure. get to near the eutectic for Fe and Ti alloy, then they will start to fuse. and I have had hundreds of titanium slabs and plates (beta alloys and 6-4) band saw cut. find the right feed rate and saw RPM. And he needs to use coolant on the saw and the mill. Then no worries about sparking, and his cutters will last a lot longer. 20 years as a titanium process/product metallurgist experience.

@ggnext5944 6 лет назад

As a person who had a Titanium hook in my shoulder for a long time I am happy it doesn't stick with other materials....

@wupme 6 лет назад

It actually does stick with your body. Unlike most other materials, your body will form a bond with titanium, thats why its used.

@ggnext5944 6 лет назад

It's more like the body does not have a auto immune reaction to titanium, and try to expel it out. However my sister was allergic to a implant that was not pure titanium, and it had to be replaced. I am not a doctor. This is just personal experience...

@alexh3974 6 лет назад

It forms a strong oxide layer so its not so reactive, and quite stable. The strengh to weight ratio is also good

@dallaswoiken7533 6 лет назад

I have a Titanium nail in my left , femur and a couple of screws in both ankles

@BoBnfishy 6 лет назад

Don't stick your shoulder in the power hammer.

@c1dv1c1ous 3 года назад

The comments in these videos are the second best thing about this channel. Always learning something....love it!

@user-ep5re2sj9s 4 года назад

Ti is also know for Galling and friction welding to bits.

@austinb2278 6 лет назад

Hey Alec I don't comment often but fun fact my grandfather actually helped make the process for steel titanium bonding a long ways back with my father. They originally used the process to help create studs for bridges in the US (this is a long time ago). I believe they used a kind of explosive (I think some kind of industrial plastique things were a lot less regulated then....) in a controlled explosion to bond the metals. The flash explosion allowed the metals to bond without the oxidation layer and brought both metals up to the necessary weld temperatures. I am in no way an expert in this just something you should try and look into. EDIT: after a quick phone call it was an aluminum/titanium stud for airplanes and large ships not bridges, however I still believe the process is still applicable here

@VoIcanoman 6 лет назад

Ah yes, explosive welding. While a very cool process, I do believe it's something Alec Steele here would have a hard time getting permission to do. Besides, his thing has always been forging, and in this case, unless he gets a press that can create orders of magnitude more pressure than he currently can, and buys a sealed vaccuum or inert gas (i.e. argon) high-temperature furnace to do his heating in, the only thing he can make with titanium is pretty iridescent colours caused by the microstructure of the oxide layer forming a diffraction gradient on the surface of the metals. Hey Alec - try tungsten next, k? I'd like to watch you try to obtain the forge temperature necessary to get pure tungsten into a plastic state (between 2,500-3000 degrees CELSIUS, *which is basically 2X as hot as the hottest magma to erupt as lava on Earth since the beginning of plate tectonics* ).

@bernatrosello4375 6 лет назад

Like some kind of thermite? :)

@DeVerm123 6 лет назад

He needs to collaborate with the hydraulic press channel for that :-)

@zeff1015 6 лет назад

There is a good video out about the explosive welding process. It doesn't matter if you can do it, still great to watch and learn. Check out the video by Nobelclad.

@0ToleranceX 6 лет назад

Alex playing with ACTUAL explosives? I totally support giving this process a shot!

@gateway8833 6 лет назад

I worked for a short time with the Space Shuttle program (OV-101) and as I recall there was vacuum ovens and inert gas atmosphere around tooling. Oh, yea, you need a very specific Fire Extinguisher to stop a Titanium Fire. Best thing to do is just cover it with very dry sand.

@mikeford963 6 лет назад

Just needs a Class D(at least that's what we use in Canada) for combustible metal fires

@gateway8833 6 лет назад

Mike Ford I’m not familiar with UK Fire Regulation or what passes for Class D extinguisher. There are two agents that will absolutely work on Titanium. Dry Sand and Argon. Argon is difficult to employ, but if anyone can figure it out it would be Alec. The best way to work a Titanium Fire is to go to dinner way away from where it’s burning and watch the pretty colors and sparkles. Because if it lands on you it will hurt you really, really bad, then blow you up when it burns through into the muscles. Be carful Alec we don’t want you to melt.

@MortRotu 6 лет назад

Abby Babby Pretty sure Cat D in Canada is the same as it in in the UK. Defs worth checking properly tho. Dry sand should work well enough for anything Alec is likely to encounter, he's not going to be playing with hypergolic mixtures or fluorine anytime soon...

@MmeHyraelle 6 лет назад

That's a foamy extinguisher right? Co2 won't stop it and water won't work neither. It need something that stick to the fire source.

@0ToleranceX 6 лет назад

Just toss a handful of asbestos dust over it and forget it. Much like tossing newspaper over indoor dog mines.

@wamyx8Nz 2 года назад

Look into an alloy called Stellite. It is 70% cobalt, 30% Chromium, and a trace of tungsten carbide. The tungsten carbide forms a dendritic structure. Not very sharp in a conventional way, but it'll cut dam near anything. I suspect they did something similar here: take titanium as the base material and process it so that there are ceramic micro-serrations embedded in it. Couple of advantages: titanium flexes rather than snaps, and the actual cutting action is done by ceramic, which is much harder than metals.

@wyrdcallaway6686 4 года назад

5:29 is a moment I experience often aswell. Haha I'm about the same age and I might've seen you around but I had to leave before your demonstration at the NWBA 2014 Spring Conference. I prefer kitchen tools and sculptural smithing, but I love your content for its thorough and honest presentation of techniques and different materials.

@zacharyb100 6 лет назад

You should try to make damascus with 3 or more different metals. Could look cool

@gsteve10 6 лет назад

I was going to ask the same thing.

@viktorstroylov3491 6 лет назад

And that can be steel, nickel, and copper) Should look super cool!

@colinedmondson1720 6 лет назад

That would be cool if possable, do you guys thing he can do a feather patterened raindrop Damascus?

@Adamant_Consternation 6 лет назад

Maybe a mix of something crazy like aluminum bronze, beryllium copper, and cupronickel? :P

@acorgiwithacrown467 6 лет назад

Adamant Consternation likely wouldn't work.

@shadyvito 6 лет назад

Whole time you were doing this all I could think about was Rad Knives' video of him making radmascis and it exploding on him. My sister-in-law needed to make a website so I sent her to Squarespace with your link. There's a good service right there.

@badmacdonald 5 лет назад

why would anyone dislike a vid of a guy doing what he likes and educating viewers in the process of metal making?

@jdisdetermined 2 года назад

I almost disliked and bailed early because I thought the yelling and forced enthusiasm, coupled with annoying elevator music, shaky cam and jerky edits were hard to watch, but I pushed through and enjoyed it after I got past that. Definitely not a channel I would enjoy watching frequently, but I didn’t dislike this entirely.

@robdeskrd 4 года назад

"the forge which I am going to light now" sounded like he just remembered to do that

@evaderknives 6 лет назад

I've worked with titanium a few times(though I'm still building the friction folder, I keep forgetting about it, haha). When grinding, the sparks burn white hot & are hard to put out. Make sure there is NO dust that can ignite. I've seen guys use 3m double sided VHB tape, if you wanted to surface grind it(non magnetic). John Grismso did a video on it.... Have a great day...

@evilutionltd 6 лет назад

It doesn’t matter if timascus is patented, you can create it for your own personal use. Just don’t sell the part made.

@danielgarlick5823 6 лет назад

if he makes money via advertisement on a video related to a patented product he could be sued

@crossedcutlasses 6 лет назад

Yup. He can make it all he wants, he just can't show it to us, basically.

@jrbr8777 6 лет назад

If he doesn't monetize the video he could make it.

@jasper4365 6 лет назад

u have to prove cost or damage as the petantholder, there is no case here.

@Andoxico 6 лет назад

Joshua Roe He still makes money from sponsorship

@michaeljoubert5450 3 года назад

I dont know a lot about forging and all the calculations needed, but it is something i would really love to get into, could it be possible to create a steel and copper damascus???, Keep doing your great work Alec, really really enjoy the content!!!!!

@dragondrakehadley6019 3 года назад

Something that I thought of, welding the pieces together may start the oxidizing process on the titanium before you even get it in the forge. Possibly make the side of the titanium and steel so flat that they stick together with a natural suction, I don't know if you have the devices to get the surfaces that flat but I think it has a better chance than welding before forging

@hoperp1951 5 лет назад

From the look of the oxide, it is the most common alloyTi6-4 (6% Al and 4% Vanadium) hence part of the metal identification is TA6V. The usual forging and rolling temperature is between 935 and 950C. It oxidises quite readily at those temperatures resulting in the brown powdery layer. Gas preheating, in particular where the atmosphere cannot be ready controlled is best avoided as any free Hydrogen or Nitrogen can readily be picked up by the hot metal rendering it very brittle and useless. Best way to ensure this does not happen is to have a good oxidising atmosphere in your furnace. It is the cutting fines that can burn very fiercely and a Thermite type reaction often occurs if you mix old iron or aluminium cuttings and Titanium so always best to clean your machine down 100% and collect and dispose of carefully. Oh yes, DO NOT put water on a Titanium fire, it will explode, safest is to use either dry sand to smother it or dry powder extinguisher. Bulk Titanium pieces do not normally burn, however there is one exception, that is if it is very hot and in contact with pure Nitrogen. It will then burn forming Titanium Nitride, this reaction does not need any Oxygen at all. To have even the most remote chance of them bonding all surface must be chemically clean. Put your final pieces of Steel and Titanium into a a box, seal up the box and weld it up in a vacuum or in Argon. Any air (Oxygen, Nitrogen or Hydrogen (ie water vapour) that is left will react with the Titanium at high temperature causing an oxide or surface enriched layer that will prevent the bonding). The blue brittle layer is typical of Hyrogen / Oxgygen contamination and embittlement suggesting you have excess fuel (gas in your furnace). Reduce the gas and or increase the air to provide an oxidising atmosphere. Hot Titanium will suck up any free Hydrogen very readily and you only need values of the order of 30 to 40 ppm to render the material brittle and useless. Think, that should help you some if you get another attempt. Retired now, but worked in QA on Titanium, Zirconium, Hafnium and Niobium for 40 years

@nickacelvn 5 лет назад

Thanks Richard that is some stellar information.

@dredir4189 5 лет назад

Why did I read all of this, I literally play sports and video games for a living...

@dredir4189 5 лет назад

Ur genius though lol like 200 iq

@kaaelo0 5 лет назад

I never thought I will save a youtube comment for my records and references, but this reply is just too good to pass by.

@hoperp1951 5 лет назад

Thanks, glad my info has been of use / interest.

@jle2199 5 лет назад

Those milling sparks could be alleviated with some cutting oil. I used to stand in front of machines with spray bottles full of that coolant in your saw, too. Keep it up. I like what you're doing!

@user-zl8sv8tj7w 4 года назад

Make a square frame around your hydraulic hammers, doors with a T shaped cutout so you can position materials with the same ways you would before. The doors would act as a spark shield, and as long as you wear safety glasses, you can look at what you’re doing well enough. Cut the left hand side of the T slot to the edge of the door so you can open, slot your piece, and close.

@torvahnys 4 года назад

I guess if I were going to try this, I would weld the billets together inside a fume hood filled with an inert gas, or seal it in a can inside a fume hood filled with an inert gas. Not sure if this would be stepping on the patented process, but... that's what I would try. Side question. Do you know if you can forge weld silver and steel?

@Christophersanchez1326 6 лет назад

🤔question. Can you fordge that broken band saw blade into a billit?

@jakobn4191 6 лет назад

generally speaking, yes. but its probably a lot of work for not that good a product :/

@tombildhauer3229 6 лет назад

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@TheIceRover 5 лет назад

if the patent is the stumbling block try using helium inserted of argon. Vacuum (or hermetical seald ) processing of metals is an old method and is probably not patented ( viking age crusebel steel for the middle east ) so if you use a alternate purging gas (must probably be a noble gas as Ti reacts with Nitrogen )

@greenthizzle4 5 лет назад

Sveinn Guðberg Sveinsson I don't think that would work if the patent is strong.. if anyone making the patent was smart they would word it to include all gases

@TheIceRover 5 лет назад

Jake Mitch that would be to brood argon gas is use in aluminium processing for purification and titanium and it's derivative are welded in vacuum and argon gas chambers so you can't patent broadly and you must prove the process is new and dissimilar to others but I'm not a lawyer

@BardhAzizi 5 лет назад

he said the process is patented, not the gas used. so it doesn't matter which gas you use. it matters how you use it.

@wian65 5 лет назад

I'm guessing their process also uses specialized equipment though. General inert gas welding, even done with forging, can't possibly be covered by their patent... Not a lawyer obviously but...

@blackoak4978 5 лет назад

A patent that tries to include previously developed methods is inherently weak. If a method was already developed then on what grounds can they claim a patent? Similiar to when Trump tryied to ™ "You're Fired"

@zackyoung4044 4 года назад

You could try friction welding the two together, it would probably work better still if you were covering it in a noble gas while doing so.

@mattslusser3891 4 года назад

Something that could might help with the two metals forging together could be lapping? I know this is done with some cooling components on PC's to make a surface as flat as reasonably possible, this might help remove any tiny gaps between the metals where they could oxidize. Although I really know nothing of if that would practically help

@805to808 6 лет назад

Forge some Damascus glasses!!!!!!!

@805to808 6 лет назад

+Mme. Hyraelle (Hyraelle) that would be awesome! Then he could blow some lenses for the glasses he makes. xD He could do soft glass work with his forge but to do any lampworking he would have to get a torch. Oh he would need a kiln too. I would watch it.

@evaderknives 6 лет назад

Nice, I've been wondering when you were gonna try some Timascus(you should ask Rad knives to help you, he does radmascus. Though he has a video of it blowing up on instagram too).... Ok gonna watch now... by the way, I just started my 1st collab video and knife. He is already working on my 1st integral.... Take it easy Alec, excited to see this one... Ooops, I guess timascus is just titanium, still should be awesome...

@othmanshamayleh4835 6 лет назад

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@OutletVibes 3 месяца назад

You should try this again but use an induction heater inside an argon enclosure. Argon is easily bought at welding supply stores. Empty the tank inside an empty 55gal drum and lower the end of your induction heater inside the drum. Gives you a way of heating metal without oxidizing it.

@denisbrummer9557 5 лет назад

Try this under all inert gass atmosphere !! And a electric heating system. So build a tent ... Don't forget your air suply!!

@Cragified 5 лет назад

Hardest part of working with titanium is that oxide layer. Which of course heating it up makes it form faster and it's a strong layer that doesn't flake of like iron oxide. You'd probably need an inert atmosphere to make a titanium and steel Damascus just like you need an inert atmosphere to weld titanium so that layer doesn't form preventing forging. So just build a giant argon chamber and put an electric furnace in it and all your equipment and get a SCBA suit and no problem XD.

@andrewking2590 5 лет назад

i was thinking that maybe using solder flux to prevent the oxidation might help, dip the parts and clamp together, not sure if it would prevent oxygen though.

@Cragified 5 лет назад

Problems I see with that is first you'd need to prep the materials in a vacuum or shielding gas to remove the oxide then the solder flux would just melt off in the furnace which would cause it to oxidize quickly due to the higher heat. Titanium will even burn in a nitrogen atmosphere if the surface area is large enough such as titanium powder to make titanium nitride. It's quite the reactive element. In truth titantium and iron just don't bond well together. When we bond them using diffusion bonding it requires a interlayer of copper or nickle if you desire to bond them below 850C. And diffusion bonding is quite a bit different then forge welding requiring near perfectly flat clean surfaces. My suggestion of doing it in an inert atmosphere was a jest due to the impracticality of it but it's the closest chance to forge weld them together and even then it's highly not likely to succeed in any meaningful matter :)

@KingBobXVI 5 лет назад

Just do the whole process in a vacuum while wearing a space suit - I don't see any problems with this method.

@Cragified 5 лет назад

A similar process. True stainless steel has 12-30% chromium in it (The steel that the DeLorean panels are made of). This chromium forms chromium oxide layer which protects the surface of the steel from oxidizing. Since the steel has chromium throughout if you scratch off the chromium oxide layer more will form. If it is a very low % chromium SS and you brush it with say a steel brush then it can rust because in that spot you diluted the chromium below 12% because of little bits of the brush wire that is left behind.

@jeromevuarand3768 6 лет назад

There was definitely some oxydation between the titanium and the steel. Maybe you should have ground both blocks down to wringing flatness, wring them together in an inert gas bath before welding the seam.

@AlecSteele 6 лет назад

That’s a damn cool idea!

@MortRotu 6 лет назад

Unfortunately unless you can grind in an inert gas then the Ti will oxidise before you get it away from the grinding belt

@jeromevuarand3768 6 лет назад

You can grind wet and then wipe dry within the inert gas bath.

@MortRotu 6 лет назад

Jérôme Vuarand Ti will strip the oxygen out of water. You could grind it wet but you'd actually get a thicker oxide layer by doing so. Unpassivated Ti is incredibly reactive and very difficult to keep unpassivated without a glovebox.

@simonreed4581 6 лет назад

Would it be possible to wring the materials in a liquid nitrogen bath?

@benjaminspannagel4327 4 года назад

Really love your work and the overall entertainment. Thanks. Keep it up!

@adambeltran416 4 года назад

Could you melt them seperately and combind them together in like some metal cup? Maybe make an ingot and forge the ingot? Idk see what happens? :D this has me interested now!

@nickdejager8873 4 года назад

If they are molten, it would probably become an alloy, instead of a damascus. But what if you got the steel into a semi molten state and then inserted titanium slugs into it, completely surrounded so that no oxygen could get into it?

@rsproductions5 6 лет назад

Love seeing these ideas go from your mind to reality to a video. As always great quality video by Alec/Jamie.

@TheOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 6 лет назад

You should get an induction heater, get powdered source material and then forge them in home. The reactions could be bad though

@HansLemurson 5 лет назад

Induction heater sounds like a good idea, since that would be much easier to get working in an inert atmosphere.

@epodekomsthehunter5756 4 года назад

Curve it in the middle and two two-four tack welds in the middle, hammer middle out and add tack welds as you go repeatedly heating to the approximate temperature it bonds during first attempt

@aidenburgess217 4 года назад

you could put a layer of something like barium inbetween the steel and titanium that will get purged in the forging process preventing oxidising of the titanium

@Charlie-dx6bv 5 лет назад

" I still predict total failure, i just like hitting things" lol

@stephenrock-wc6xt 6 лет назад

Alec I still think you should try the Viking Meteorite Crucible Steel!!!but A canister Damascus using meteorite shavings,1095 powder,and 5160 powder would be awesome!!! J Neilson is the man when it comes to the canisters plan!!!

@NieroshaiTheSable 6 лет назад

It's not crucible if it's canister. The crucible is a smelting process, whereas the canister exists to help you press-weld disparate materials.

@stephenrock-wc6xt 6 лет назад

Nieroshai I have been trying to convince Alec and Joey Van Der Steeg to Colab and use the Meteorite to make crucible steel. I also thought canister Damascus would be cool as well!!!

@jasonharrison25 6 лет назад

1095 & 5160 won't really show much pattern. They are too similar. If the meteor is nickel it should show up but no point in mixing the other two

@stephenrock-wc6xt 6 лет назад

Jason Harrison true they are similar but 5160 has chromium where 1095 does not is only a subtle difference

@snitox 3 года назад

I love that you upload your failures

@sendit7777 5 лет назад

Read a wonderful article from an industrial foundry that says to coat it in glass before the heating process, to heat the metal for quite a while- ( slowly raising the temp through the heating process) but using a specific gas to heat the metal with so as to eliminate as much oxygen as possible

@MatteV2 5 лет назад

So, Im not a smith, but a welder with a basic understanding of metalurgy, and Titanium welding must be done in a completely oxygen free environment, which I think you mentioned. I also remember hearing something about gas forges releasing a lot of oxygen in them when the gas burns, whereas a coal forge does not, and is almost oxygen free inside, so would a coal forge perhaps work better?

@larsheim1032 5 лет назад

Its true that forgewelding is apparently easier in a coal forge, but not because of the oxygen but because of the water vapor which is created in a gas forge but not in a coal forge

@MatteV2 5 лет назад

Lars Heim Ah, there we go. I was remembering things wrong then it seems.

@kronos22002 5 лет назад

We use a Torvac with an Argon quench for brazing dissimilar metals. And a high pressure/temp process for diffusion bonding

@roguepathfinder2477 5 лет назад

Lars Heim is it maybe that the titanium is so reactive it steals the oxygen from water? I know that is the thing with magnesium and they seem to be pretty similar in reactivity.

@connormiller9553 5 лет назад

MatteV2 he should try the coal forge and flux weld the pieces together one at a time like steel smithing

@FullMetalFox2 6 лет назад

Ive only worked with Titanium ocasionally, so im not an expert. But i guess the heat from the TIGs Arc already made it fail, as while you welded the pieces together there was enough time for oxygen to get in there and form an initial thin oxide layer. When we welded titanium pieces and didnt have the luxury of surface abrasive finishings later, we used an antioxidation+cooling paste around the weld, high flow helium/argon and slow high amp pulses to limit the heat to small areas and leave some cooling time. That propably wont work very well here as you would trap the antioxidation paste between the layers, which might cause a delamination due to pressure or worst case an explosion. But there was another trick we had for extremely moody materials, a sandplasting like chamber filled with Argon, ive never worked in it but when the older guys used it they did put whatever they wanted to weld in there, their torch of choice, consumables and filler, close the hatch, open the Argon valve, and then they waited. After a minute or so they began welding in a pure Argon environment, the gas from the troch itself would creat an overpressure and you could always here the chambers overpressure valve opening evertime the arc was running. So i guess this is sadly impossible without special equipment or extreme risks. :x Oh dear, now i wonder if your crazy enough to try to build your own Pressurized Inert Gas Welding Chamber XD

@AlecSteele 6 лет назад

AMAZING IDEAS!!!!! Thank you!!!

@FullMetalFox2 6 лет назад

Youre welcome XD If you really want to try building your own chamber, one of our guys did build it, i still have contact with him so i could ask him for pointers or anything critical to watch out for.

@testoftimebladeworksjimpar6514 6 лет назад

I know a very old metallurgist, he told me inert gas welding chambers for welding ti were made out of sealed sand blast cabinets. Would work for the initial sealing up the seams but keeping any oxygen out during and after the forging is the problem

@calebhoward4309 3 года назад

Love your work dude you have a great channel an lot of knowledge I wanna get into Steele's forging

@ericbrakstad9002 5 лет назад

You could try to use different thicknesses of the material like thinner titanium with thicker steel. try to get a differential heat for each material?

@braedenR 5 лет назад

416 stainless, and 6al titanium. They machine similar, maybe they can be forge welded.

@okfj 6 лет назад

Pure imagination? Like Willy Wonka? Then Chocolate Damascus should be next.

@frizider1985 6 лет назад

With FrenchGuyCooking

@evltwin984 4 года назад

Kit kats

@nathanmabbutt3284 2 года назад

mig weld a layer of steel on top of the titanium in a purge chamber, then try to forge/fold

@dracoargentum9783 4 года назад

I have always been curious about a titanium/aluminum alloy: you would think the softness of the aluminum would nicely balance the brittleness of the titanium, but I honestly just don't know

@jacobsenske 4 года назад

Ti64 is basically the standard for strength to weight in materials. 6% Al, 4% V.. The stuff is badass, and we use it for damn near everyrhing.

@sigmasquadleader 3 года назад

Aluminum alloys can be fairly brittle as well

@leroy420b 3 года назад

Yeah....... No.

@catfishmedia9543 6 лет назад

I thought patents only apply to you if you plan on selling it not if you just keep it

@rikkyburgos95 6 лет назад

Catfish moto but if he is filming it for the purpose of making income (i.e. ad revenue) it still applies unfortunately:[

@elmikeomysterio5496 6 лет назад

Catfish moto Yep. You can't sell patent infringing products... If the country you're producing the product in and the one you're selling it in bother honoring and enforcing the patent. You can use a patent to reproduce a technique or product for personal use anywhere.

@Danmonkeymanpwns 6 лет назад

He could do it on film if he demonetized the video though.

@jolioding_2253 6 лет назад

but a patent costs money for every country you want it in so if a patent for something is in china its not automatically in germany patented, if you want that though you have to pay more money

@elmikeomysterio5496 6 лет назад

Yep.

@verbatum141 5 лет назад

I don't work with metal in the slightest but I'm fascinated by all this... Great work!

@dmythica 3 года назад

How about now a year on?. Have you started metal working yet?

@dfhjvghvvg2175 3 года назад

Yeah me too bro I'm just bored shitless at 2 in the morning

@destyn_ 3 года назад

quick answer: no

@badsamaritan8223 2 года назад

Would it be easier to weld if you heated them separately, to each material's forge-welding temp, then smashing them together?

@thatstheguy8907 6 лет назад

It'd be pricy but possible. A gold and silver Damascus. Possibly make a letter opener since larger blades would sky rocket in price

@rammuchewicz2889 6 лет назад

If one can afford it, such a blade might offer the werewolf a more elegant ending. If an enemy be worthy of your wrath, he may deserve an artistic finish.

@Mr6Sinner 6 лет назад

Need some copper/nickel Damascus projects please

@Isnogood12 6 лет назад

Nickel is ludicrously expensive. :(

@MortRotu 6 лет назад

Isnogood12 so is Ti.

@jakobn4191 6 лет назад

make some cutlery maybe, sth really delicate

@0ToleranceX 6 лет назад

I don't remember what other material besides copper that he used, but he did do some mokume gane, which is exactly what you're referring to I think. At least it's a common combo for mokume gane.

@tomf3150 6 лет назад

Copper/brass

@BatMoto 5 лет назад

I am no black smith but I do enjoy watching bladed weapons be made. I literally just watched a show on how traditional katanas are made which gave me an idea for this. They literally encase iron inside of the steel. This way the blade has a flexible core while also being strong and able to hold an edge. Now I am not sure how well this idea might work but what about encasing the steel in titanium then twisting it?

@matthewholder4232 3 года назад

I know this was 2 yrs ago but have you tried putting peaks (light a meat tenderizer) on the surfaces where the steal and titanium meet so they bend into eachother horizontally as they compress? The peaks of each piece might grab onto eachother (like the idea behind the engraving technique) and end up being able to stay together better while they're forged. Could also make any possible explosion more volitile tho so be careful

@spantim 6 лет назад

This is awesome, I love these kinds of videos. As for another set of metals, I would Suggest Aluminium, that stuff is forgeable but it is difficult due to the aluminium not glowing red hot. You can also try to make a Zinc Damascus, this could be very interesting because zinc has such a low melting point. If you have Nitrogen available I would consider making a container for the titanium and purging that with nitrogen. Nitrogen is a quite noble gas so it should be a cheap option.

@andrewevenson7798 6 лет назад

See if Cody’s lab will send you or suggest any interesting metals and alloys you could try!

@doubledarefan 6 лет назад

Or even an all-out C'sL collaboration!

@eddiewarlord 4 года назад

what about tungsten Damascus? also, could you carbon treat both the steel/iron and titanium to help fusion?

@theXEN0KID 3 года назад

I'm in no way an expert- hell not even a hobbyist in metallurgy, but if what I know about tungsten is true then you'd either be forging a forgeable piece of steel and a solid block of tungsten, or a puddle of steel and a forgeable piece of tungsten

@yuxuansun8271 2 месяца назад

Hi, look up the Ti-Fe phase diagram and use the minimum temperature you start to see an alpha phase solid solution. If you don’t get that hot they won’t fuse.

@DatBoiOrly 6 лет назад

BTW it would of worked if you had a titanium steel alloy in-between the titanium and the steel so it has something for both metals to bind too

@bjmaguire6269 5 лет назад

If titanium oxide is the biggest issue...why not have the titanium in the center so that it is sealed within the steel? Is there a safety reason? Great videos Mister Steele! P.S. Perhaps a silver/copper Damascus like the "Old Sheffield Plate" process used? You could research and discus some of it's history as well. Or Maybe a Nickel silver/copper to keep down the cost?

@zragevii4705 5 лет назад

I think the reason he didnt put the titanium on the inside was just so that if it popped it wasnt likely to throw steel up at him... i was thinking about the same thing...

@MicroMacroUniverse 4 года назад

Hello, glad i discovered this awesome channel! First thing sorry for my horrible english meh. Btw i would try out with those metals: Nickel-Tungsten (toughness and hardness) Molybdenum-Vanadium Titanium-Vanadium Lead-Tungsten (LOL combination) Titanium-Tantalum Nickel-Molybdenum Niobium-Tungsten and maybe one of those metals with Cobalt or just one of those metals with some good steel my dream would be something like Iridium-Rhodium lol (the ultimate corrosion indestructible blade) but i think it will cost something like 20.000 dollars eheh.... (maybe a super-tiny one?) or something like Rhenium-Ruthenium, or an Osmiridium one.... yes i know im a little baby floating in dreams :)

@ZioskamiTV 5 лет назад

7:59 rhythm matches with the grinding

@monsterbash9758 5 лет назад

Think you could smash steel and silver together like some sort of material for a vampire/werewolf hunter sword?

@ashscott6068 5 лет назад

Umm...you could just silver plate the steel. But what's REALLY keeping you safe from the vampires and werewolves, is the fact that they don't exist

@monsterbash9758 5 лет назад

Ash Scott Silver plated steel would not look as cool a silver/steel Damascus.

@efraim3364 5 лет назад

always someone that comes along to ruin a joke

@OfficialFedHater 5 лет назад

Witcher silver swords are meteorite steel plated with silver, because it's more practical.

@monsterbash9758 5 лет назад

One Man Kebab Remover Yeah, I don't care. Silver and steel Damascus would look cool. Is any of it really that practical in a world without monsters?

@crazyobservations3080 5 лет назад

You can't work titanium at its near melting point in the open air. You need to do with constant inert gas shielding. A bubble is what we used to call it. Back in the day we used an old sandblasting cabinet flooded with a steady flow of argon to weld titanium parts. I'm not sure how you would go about forging inside bubble unless you put an anvil and a induction heater inside the bubble

@ryanstevens5909 5 лет назад

crazy observations, I have used a cabinet as well. Regarding this topic, could one assume heating the barstock with an electromagnetic coil inside the cabinet with some type of hyd press work. To much time and cash for me, however the topic is intriguing.

@crazyobservations3080 5 лет назад

The coil is the same as a induction heater. You wouldn't be able to heat something on the outside and get it inside the cabinet and then recharge it with argon fast enough before your work piece cooled off. And obviously a gas torch just won't burn Inside an inert gas environment. You might be able to do some heating with a tig inside a bubble but its hard to heat a large area with a tig.

@jonquinn11 5 лет назад

you will get a eutectic reaction (melting) well below the melting point of pure Ti when combined with some metals, like nickel or cobalt. the Ti can melt or slag off as low as 1750F if its contact with those metals or their oxide/scale.

@bmxriderforlife1234 5 лет назад

i know this is what you do for like welding titanium with a welding machine. and ive heard this is how you have to forge weld titanium regardless if its with itself another titanium alloy or steel. ive also heard removing the oxygen from the environment is necessary with certain stainless steels.

@nunyabusiness8538 5 лет назад

what if you mirror polished both the steel and the ti surfaces before welding that way there would be less chance of an oxide layer being introduced between them

@Katsouliss 4 года назад

What if you enclosed the titanium with the steel on the outside? Should be able to avoid lots of those sparks.. Just n idea :)

@mr.unknown6011 6 лет назад

You can try putting it in an square pipe and weld it air tight, then you don’t get any Oxydes and it might work;)

@MortRotu 6 лет назад

Mr.Unknown by the time he's ground it clean and taken it off the belt in air the Ti will have oxidised. It's incredibly reactive.

@nyxkeres8597 5 лет назад

instead of using argon you could try a bath of hexafluoride gas just make sure you follow safety precautions but that alone should allow you to avoid patents?

@robdeskrd 4 года назад

No man if fluorine is being introduced make it chlorine trifluoride cause I want to see fireworks...... and melting..... and people running for dear life!

@orgpabszk 4 года назад

Maybe you could try with steel and titanium shavings from the saw, but I think that the problem is the different temperature you need to work its together. So I think the titanium must be apply like dust (very little shaves) between steel's shaves, puting all into a pipe. And the temp. to work it just near the fusion point of steel.

@duro2021 4 года назад

Have you heard of an ancient metal alloy called Orichalcum? That would be something interesting to see. Thank you for all of your hard work. Love the channel.

@yahyafarag5598 5 лет назад

I know that I'm ten days late but I think I have a solution, a Chinese company was able to create a gold-titanium alloy that is much stronger than titanium Damascus. Obviously I assume that you can't afford enough gold to create a noticeable difference but using a cheaper metal similar to gold such as a period 6 or group 11 metal you would be much more successful. Obviously my idea hasn't been tested but according to the facts it should work.Probably not but I'd appreciate if you could try. Thanks

@amandayeargain6273 5 лет назад

Here's my humble suggestion: draw out the titanium longer, mill out a few holes in it, then sandwich it with steel(1/8th in. layered sheet but you know better than I). The steel should bond to itself between the holes when you hammer it and you'll retain the strength of having a titanium core. Assuming you're going for a sword.

@theXEN0KID 3 года назад

That sounds like trapping oxygen

@leroy420b 3 года назад

Yeah....... NO!

@greg4432 2 года назад

That's a nice idea💡

@GiraffeFlavoredCondoms 2 года назад

I love how he explicitly stated that he doesn't want random guesses from people who don't know what they're talking about, and yet one of the top comments is from someone who basically just detailed possibly one of the WORST ways you could ever try to forge weld. Like if you were making a recipe for how to get the most possible cold shuts, massive chunks of oxides, and inclusions, this would be the winner. This would also possible make a bomb.

@nlproductions5030 4 года назад

Try melting them together like in a smelter

@xflushestmean93x54 5 лет назад

From my little knowledge of welding I know that titanium doesn’t work well with oxygen, so I was told to use and argon bath for welding titanium together.