hola hola everyone! One thing I meant to say that didn't quite make the final cut was my thoughts on the Beet Shield/Beet The Sun and the SPF achieved. Krave didn't disclose the amount achieved with 3rd party tests (due to various legal reasons), but considering the filters used and the percentages in the formulation, as well as other formulation components, and what the Purito and Keep Cool sunscreens tested at, I personally estimate it as offering adequate enough protection to still be used on a daily basis for my own personal needs. What're your thoughts on what I talked about and the recent issues? Keep things cute in these comments! xoxo
Thank you Ramón! Based on your comments on Krave Beet Shield as well as hearing James Welsh express his thoughts on the issue, I also would feel comfortable still using it. And just from using the product and seeing how well my skin reacts to it. The problem is, I'm out! I was actually looking to restock when I was notified by Krave of the decision to pull it. Do you think they'll bring it back? Do you think anywhere still has it for sale? I purchased the Canmake Mermaid Skin Gel after watching your review. I do like it. But nothing compares to the texture and glow of Krave Beet Shield. Just curious what your thoughts or recommendations are.
@@carolinacastoreno1900 hey I’m also looking for it , but it seems nobody is selling it anymore 😩. I’m so bummed cuz after months of trial and error with a bunch of sunscreens I felt I’d finally found the one . Hopefully they do bring it back . Idk where you live but have you ever tried Tula skincare? They have a spf 30 ( us filters, which sucks but hey better than nothing)that leaves this glowy finish that I enjoyed from kraves beet the sun. Once I’m done with the ones I have from krave Imma give that one a try . Good luck finding a good sunscreen!!! I’m on the hunt Again 😪
I've read in a report that ALL the major sunscreen companies (from the West) have had this happen to their sunscreens before, but nobody was paying attention because people barely could be bothered to use sunscreen unless going to the beach, let alone care about labeled SPF values. To be real, this attitude is still prevalent outside of the relatively small beauty community...
Most South Koreans take their sun protection SUPER SERIOUSLY so I bet this controversy really blew up there. I heard something about lawsuits being filed and stuff. So it makes sense that a lot of the Korean brands are pulling their sunscreens to check/improve the formulations. Meanwhile, it's so hard to convince the general population in Western countries to even wear sunscreen that it feels like only the skincare community cares about the recent issues.
Yeah. Consumer Reports does independent testing of water resistant US sunscreen. Of 47 sunscreens tested this year: 38 had less than 50% of the labelled SPF. 2 had 50-59%. 3 had 60-69%. 1 had 70-84%. 2 had 85% or more.
This was an amazing summary of all issues surrounding this controversy, I really appreciate your objectivity and professionalism in handling this! And thank you very much for the shout out and the kind words of course 🙏😌
I think a really great thing that’s come out of this whole discussion is emphasis on alternative methods of sun protection like hats, sunglasses, upf clothing, and seeking shade! I feel as though many people, especially dermatologists, have been emphasising these measures but before now it’s largely been ignored due to people not looking beyond sunscreen.
All these sunscreens failing to measure up to the spf they report on the bottle makes it harder to know which ones are legit. I’m still wearing sunscreen anyway, but I need to consider investing in a visor & sunglasses if I’m going to be directly in the sun.
Doesnt it seem like Ramon is saying that whether a sunscreen is "legit" isn't the way to look at it? That it's more about how much you put on and how frequently you apply, as well as staying out of the sun and wearing sun-protective clothing/hat/shade?
@@jcjccmz What I got from what Ramón said was that sunscreen can only do so much, no matter what spf value it has, so it’s better to use more than just sunscreen to protect your skin.
I am wondering how other people feel about the possible over arching prejudices and racism in this issue. K beauty sunscreens that are failing are at least pulling their products, and they are the main brands and nation of origin being discussed, and the entire brands being shamed. Yet Neuteogena (amongst other 'Western' brands) had some of their leading sunscreen lines recently fail their claims by very very large margins, and these western brands don't present to care and seem to almost 'get away' with it. It is very worrying (commented just before you mentioned Neuteogena)
Besides how easy it is to "other" another country, I think another reason that failed Western sunscreens don't blow up in the west is because less people care. For example, the people who are using Korean sunscreens are mostly South Koreans or foreigners who are really into skincare, and these are people who really care about stuff like SPF protection. Meanwhile, in the west, it's so hard to convince the general population to wear any sunscreen at all, especially daily... so when a Western sunscreen fails, less people notice, care, or make a fuss about it.
OMG my thoughts exactly! Karyn, you just speaking loud out of my mind. When Neutrogena sunscreen has the same case as SPF failed, people just shrug it away like it was nothing. But when a Purito face the same issue suddenly it was the damndest thing that ever happen in sunscreen. Consumer or more likely skincare RU-vidr really look down and making this issue more messy without fact checking. Granted Purito must be held accountability. But the microaggressions toward skincare Korean brands that has nothing to do with Purito really start getting on my nerves
I think part of the reason some us don't care is that at least for me, I refuse to where any US sunscreen. We are not allowed to use more advanced filters and I've already lost faith in the advertised spf being correct. Also NONE of the US sunscreen can meet EU UVA protection regulations.
You should try the Canmake Mermaid Skin Gel UV 01 (the transparent version). It's very elegant, lightweight, beautiful dewy sheen (not a greasy look) and affordable! It's my current favorite!
@@awest3749 this is what I bought as a replacement to Krave Beet Shield. I really do like it. But nothing is as bomb as Krave. I wish the mermaid skin had a bit more of the glow and texture that Krave has. But I am liking it!
@@m_chell Oop-, someone has excellent taste! Tell me what you think about the Bondi Sands ones if you can, I would greatly appreciate it. Also have you tried the 'Pyunkang Yul ATO Mild Sun Cream' by any chance?
Wow, this is a lot of 🫖. Thank you for this video. I just started getting into skincare and the importance of sunscreen. I really really wanted to try the Krave beauty one but it was already pulled from the market. I watched a couple of skincare RU-vidrs and everyone of them loved it and had no complaints. I hope they come out with one that is equally as loved...but obviously performs at its standard. Thanks again, for all this information😊😊
This isn’t necessary about the brand but it’s also kinda important to talk about the whole thing about Liah Yoo playing victim when she was called out for being part of a homophobic targetting church. All of which really turned me off from supporting Krave further
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾. You make so much sense. Thanks for breaking it down to basics. I will continue using my purito until it's finish. I love the Missha essence sun milk. Hopefully its protecting me adequately. Thanks once again 👌🏿
Living in France, I've only used european sunscreens in my life (mostly french) and I find it difficult to trust non european brands because I am not educated on all regulations outside the EU so thank you for making this video it is really helpful to learn about the SPF system around the world especially Korea !
3 года назад
Of course. Generally there is a standardized method to test sunscreens that most sunscreen markets use (Korea included), but anywhere in the world, there exist issues with testing and advertised vs realistic spf values. Generally, bigger umbrella companies who formulate and have their own tech and a bunch of sub brands (L’Oréal, for example) is a good place to start
I am so sad about the Krave update. I had been waiting on a restock for a couple of months!! I started using the Black Girl Sunscreen in the meantime on my face (rather than just my body) and it’s been a good experience so far. But I really want to find a mineral sunscreen that works for my skintone again 😩
Thanks for this easy-to-understand breakdown! I really wish more people understood that this subject (as with many others) isn't just black & white; there are so many shades of grey involved.
I tend to shy away from chemical sunscreens, so all the drama has fortunately not effected me yet. Thanks for sharing such an informative view on all the sunscreen drama going on. Sunscreen definitely is the most difficult to formulate. It's such a complex system. So many parties are to blame for some of the recent failures imo.
I usually use both a mineral and a chemical spf to minimize the white cast from the mineral and minimize my eyes stinging from the chemical one. But this whole issue makes me wonder about Japanese sunscreens as well
Love the new intro! The Isntree Watery Sun Gel went out of stock and I'm hopeful it is a supply vs quality issue. In the meantime, Biore, Australian Gold, Elta MD, and Colorscience are still in the rotation
I think with the testing and the Fitzpatrick scale when dealing with Korean testers, the problem lies in how easily their skin tans vs burns. Koreans prefer in the most part to be pale. So you may have testers come in that are low on the scale. But Koreans tan extremely easily and can get fairly dark. So for the majority I think it takes a bit before their skin starts to burn. Hence the first discrepancy with human testing is who is actually in your testing pool. Testing in a homogeneous pool might not be the best.
I personally use a Korean sunscreen that has 5 chemical filters. It's not a well known brand, but it's a Korean dermatologist recommended brand in Korea. Derma-b
Thank you for this great summary, Ramon! Personally, I'm really excited for the Korean sunscreen revolution (cuz you KNOW their SPFs are gonna be reliable after all this controversy, and may even be a marketing point), but for now, I'm sticking to Japanese sunscreens until the new Koreans formulas come out. Japanese sunscreens have their own issues (most have thin milky textures, a lot of alcohol, fragrance, and some use chemical filters that are banned elsewhere, such as octinoxate), but the thorough testing and constant yearly product reformulations make them seem more reliable for now.
This got me to thinking about the efficacy of sunscreens we order internationally, does shipping render these sunscreens useless or less effective? I live in the US and I order sunscreens from shopcosmetis and cocooncenter.
I use Etude House's Sunprise, which is SPF50 and mattifying. Does anyone know if there are issues with their SPF testing? I didn't find anything online...
I don’t know why everybody thinks this is JUST Korean sunscreen. Literally Neutrogena beach defense isn’t the spf that they claim but no body is talking about that.
Hey Ramon! Have you considered incorporating footage from a Sunscreenr device? I think it would give a unique edge to your sunscreen reviews, but not sure how much insight it really provides.
3 года назад
I have. They don’t show any indication of protection aside from if you have an adequate layer on. Also they’re only available for androids I believe? I looked into getting one but didn’t see it contributing anything meaningful to the content necessarily
@ Hah, I knew you thought about it! Just kinda sucks we can't do much "at home" confirmations when it comes to sunscreens, esp the Korean and now Japanese sunscreens coming under scrutiny. Thanks Ramon!
Im hoping 11 Village Factory don't have to pull their sunscreens. However, this is opening people up into trying other brands vs sticking to one brand. I keep a running list of products that works for me depending on the season. I do a mineral sunscreen base and use a chemical sunscreen for reapplication throughout the day.
My favorite Korean sunscreen, Klairs Soft Airy UV Essence, was pulled. I didn't know why because I've been out the loop. Thanks for explaining this controversy.
3 года назад
It unfortunately was manufactured by the same manufacturer as Purito, I believe, therefore it fell under similar protection results. So sorry 😞
Great video. I’ve been disappointed by what has happened with korean sunscreen (brand like Purito ). I’ve been using blackgirl sunscreen wich has been good for me so far.
Hi is there anyway you could give more information on Korean/Asian sunscreens that are reliable or have said they are the spf mentioned on the packaging? As you recommended a few brands such as Missha and Canmake in a previous video and I was wondering if they have the right spf 50 UVA/UVB protection as described please, Thank you.
I wonder if there could be a more exact way to test Sunscreen en vitro. I mean couldn’t you apply sunscreen at 1mg per square cm on a glass pane, shine a sunlight imitating lamp onto it, and then have some sort of machine on the other side that measures the UVB and UVA that comes through
I think the problem is with SPF standard is on skin in vivo - so it differs based on skin tone etc. If we use energy passed through it's also an instaneous value which would change over time. The film forming ingredients also may not work right on glass... lots of complexity and i will admit i don't know enough of the standard to be an expert on this.
What sunscreen do I use??😩 I burn really easily and just need a sunscreen that will work
3 года назад
Whichever sunscreen has protection factors that match what you need, that you want to put enough of on, and that you can pair with other adequate sun protection factors
If you're outside the US, La Roche Posay's Invisible Fluid (Shaka Fluid) is amazing. It's not the most cosmetically elegant but it doesn't leave a white cast on my darker skin, doesn't sting my eyes, and most importantly to me has extremely high UVA protection.
Yeah NO, it is a Korean sunscreen problem right now. It has come to light that the the KFDA has a loophole that allows manufactures to claim the same SPF without testing if they have already tested for SPF, but subtly change the formula. As you may have guessed, Koran companies abused this by testing high SPF sunscreens then diluting the formula to make them "elegant" but also changing the SPF. Odile Monod is an insider who works with Korean manufacturers and explains this perfectly in her RU-vid. Until the loophole is closed, Korean sunscreens are out for me.
Also my favorite sunscreen Skin Aqua UV Moisture Gel has been implicated in this. A redditor took images using a UV camera and found it wanting. I use probably a full teaspoon on my face but I'm panning it as fast as possible and going back to Biore which performed better.
3 года назад
Tbh UV cameras aren’t an indicator of how much protection a sunscreen gives you, rather just how much of you is covered. What’s the link for that?
Fund your channel just today. Did you already try out the DAYLONG face gel spf 50 sunscreen? I would be so interested in your opinion in that one as i love it.
Well tbh their sunscreens are off the market since they’ve been transitioning into formulating and manufacturing everything in house. With the relaunch of their products id move to see the difference and hope for SPF confirmation of their new formulations. Considering the atmosphere with Korean sunscreens, I think most if not all major brands are doubling down on sunscreen testing
I lost faith in Korean spf in general after hearing renowned brands like Krave Beauty & Cosrx got failed SPF... Yes I know this is not just Kbeauty problem but rather the spotlight just happened to be on them, but still, I thought Korean skincare was top notch in general which gave me this impact all the more. I see almost all Jbeauty SPF are fine.
Ofc I Wear a Ton and I still get darker and reapply,,,, currently I’m using Cotz mineral spf 50
3 года назад
Well there’s limitations to what sunscreen can do. It’s not a 100% invincible shield against UV rays and damage. It’s a good advantage, but it’s only part of the equation. Love that Cotz one though
