I don't understand this contradiction from government. The government wants everyone to use EVs but they want the tariff on Chinese EVs where they sell EVs as low as 10K compared to 40K of cheapest EVs from other major manufacturers. I want BYD cheap EVs.
@@GeorgeHa-k3p According to The China Automotive Dealer Association, an estimated 160,000 Chinese EV owners have been left in the lurch due to Chinese EV companies going under. What happens when they fold and you're left with a car you cannot use???
Environmental protection is not that high on anyone's list. If it were the case, we would do away with cars. Nothing Environmental friendly about a car. Fuel consumption is not the only emissions from cars. Also so much more needs to be address beside tail pipe emissions.
Last week Google was convicted under anti-combines legislation. Now you and Bal-Silly Boyd want to excuse China for effectively creating a massive government funded car conglomerate which then overproduced EVs. China now wants to dump those EVs since the Chinese won't buy. Do you not understand that's why anti-combines legislation exists? Do yo believe in two-tier industrial laws? SMH
Canada subsidizes $billions to foreign firms to build cars, batteries, etc. Yet our car prices are still extremely high, yet the govt does nothing to protect consumers. We need more real competition, let the Chinese EVs come and let the consumers decide.
Yeah.... no. China will do what they can to decapitate industry in CIVILISED countries. They would not benefit Canada in the long run. Sorry for the big picture analysis, considering your shallow viewpoint.
When we subsidize foreign firms to build factories here we get high paying jobs for Canadians. What do we get when we import cheap subsidized Chinese cars? We end up subsidizing Chinese jobs and we fall further behind on being able to make anything in Canada. We also will lose whatever auto jobs we have left. Letting consumers decide is a dumb idea. Look at the choices many Canadians make concerning global warming and putting a price on carbon. They are only concerned with 'the now' and themselves, and don't give a damn about the future for anyone. The price on carbon is negligible on the bottom line for those of us who use every wisely, but you'd think the sky was falling listening to the Conservative blowhards who couldn't tell you the effect of the tax on a bag of potatoes if it k----d them!
Canada and USA don't want their people access affordable eco friendly cars. This happens a lot in many sectors. I wonder what politicians really want for their people. Hardship?
@@GeorgeHa-k3p Yes a lot of the work is automatic, people still need to oversee the operation. All these plants were built with human labour and the management and maintenance of this equipment is done buy humans. The majority of the electricity for all this is from coal fired plants. Would you accept these standards for stuff made in Canada???
What Canadian car manufacturers even exist? Last time I checked, Canada is still not part of the USA. If it comes down to it, I'd rather have proper competition so I can afford a car rather than blind loyalty to another foreign company.
LOL you are right buy this is all about protecting foreign investment in Canada. You are correct we do not have our own car manufacturing but many other countries do manufacture here. This is about protecting them and Canadian jobs. If you think Pierre is going to do anything different, think again
The implication of allowing the China to benefit from unfair trade practices impacts workers and the environment. But since China is dumping a brand of EV that failed to sell in China after an initial successful year, I salute you for wanting to buy one. The Chinese will want to make their money back, so parts and service will be astronomical - suitable for someone like you.
@@bobcrane9945 Well we'll take our chances. This 10 year experiment has been a failure. China subsidises EVS through soes. Do some research before you bleat.....
There's no "Canadian" auto manufacturing industry. It's all the big three and some Japanese manufacturers. All the decisions, all the design, the technology, the manufacturing equipment, all that happens outside Canada. The Big Three are on the verge of going out of business. What's left of Chrysler is a goner, Ford's debt has been rated as junk. They are so far behind it is sad.
There are over 500,000 workers in assembly, parts manufacturers and related industry. This is a skilled group and wee need to protect them. Geopolitical considerations must be taken in as well. Is it in the national security interests to have an industrial base or just let go. China has threaten withholding critical minerals and items which they have almost a monopoly. BYD did not make out very well in a competition at the TTC with other electric busses. I am not ready to roll over and present my belly.
I suggest YOU go and talk to any of the Canadian workers at car plants in Canada, and see if they are 'Canadian jobs' or not! The Auto Pact between the US and Canada has been greatly beneficial to the Canadian economy over many years. Globalization means that parts come from many places, some in North America and others from Asia/Europe, but this still does NOT make those Canadian workers' jobs less 'Canadian'. The poor performance of the Big Three is lamentable, but again that does NOT mean that those Canadian workers' jobs less 'Canadian'. Also, can you say with 100% certainty that there are no Canadians working in R & D, design & manufacturing capacity within the Auto industry, whether in Canada or outside of?
I can understand why Americans would want to protect their "big three". But we; may I remind everyone are not America. We're Canada, and there is no Canadian automaker or industry. An advantage 'satellite countries' like ours have is that we can pivot and be more flexible. The superpower south of us is decaying, a new superpower is rising. We need to be very aware of what's happening and analyze the situation for ourselves and for our interests. If the Titanic is sinking because of its own arrogance and folly, we need to make sure we're not tethered to it and sucked down too.
chinese ev's are garbage that break all the time and they have no service after you buy them so you are left to your own devices and since the companies in canada don't have the pieces for these cars you are screwed you just spent 10k and lost all that money after only a few months on driving them since they break every month or so.
@@MrAsh-cw5cq No i buy nothing made in China i have all things that were made in the 1800's or early 1900-1960's they last very long. Only newer things i have are a fridge and oven which were made here and cost a fortune that my millionaire parents paid for.
@@bobby5678-ck2tc I do not know which city you are living? can you just step out and name some store in your biggest plaza or mall. can tell us the store name ,something is not made in China?
Politics as always, this is an Ontario/quebec vote action, nothing more. Tarrifs will no longer work, once the BYD world vehicles are seen to be the best with the lowest prices, the voters are going to get angry at the overpriced subpar offerings here. The guest was spot on!
We do not need be tied onto another BS chicken tax 2.0 just to keep our southern neighbors happy. With NAFTA set up the way it is, the NA auto makers are just going to send our down to Mexico. BYD has a Qin Plus EV with a starting price of 21k. They also have a hybrid model with a range of 2000km starting at 22k. Why should we allow these big companies to tell us what to buy. If the vehicles suck, then people just won't buy them. But let it be on the consumer to determine that.
@@billyehhWe are also the US's biggest trading partner. If they cancelled NAFTA then it would hurt them too. It would not be a bad thing for Canada to trade more with other nations.
Cheap EV yes, 2000km hybrid probably not. They lie, a lot. It's time to really up vehicle safety regulations and test them on Chinese imports first. 8km/h impact safety (IIRC is already a thing), EV battery fireproofing, low front ends no taller than 125cm etc. OTOH I think Canadian exclusives like the EL/CSX and diesel Smart probably made their way stateside in no time. Americans don't want Chinese EVs coming in via Canada same way, but they have ways to deal with that, like 100% tariff at time of (re)import.
@@bubba842 No we are not. We use to be. Mexico is number one, China is number two and we are number three. Our biggest export is oil and most of the pipelines go south. The trans Mountain pipeline carries about one fifth of our oil. Do you really want to keep the other 80 % in the ground? The other big one is softwood lumber which they are already putting tariffs on. It would mean the end of auto manufacturing and 500,000 jobs when you add in parts and other supply chains. It would be a good thing to expand trade to other countries, but it would be on the fringe unfortunately. We are next to the US and they are our natural partner.
Canadian have right to have 1000miles range BYD PHEV for 20k. 660hp,PHEV off -roader for 45k. PHVE pickup truck for 35k.Just look at the Australian. They have much more choices than Canadian.
Australia does not have an automotive industry. 500,000 Workers in Canadian assembly plants, auto parts manufacturers and related industries depend on them. Every country that has an automobile industry is putting on tariffs on Chinese EV'S. That includes BRICS countries Brazil and India.
If they think Chinese EV are bad for Canada - ban them. But if they’re going to let them in - taxing them will only make life less affordable to Canadians.
Article : "Most of the 2024 EuroNCAP safest cars are Chinese" Text : "The presence of Chinese-made cars among the top performers highlights the country’s increasing influence in automotive safety standards, and especially BYD, which is the only car makers with 4 cars ranked 5 stars : BYD Dolphin, BYD Seal, BYD Seal U and BYD Tang."
Canadian consumers should not have to pay crazy high prices for cars just to protect a few Union jobs in Ontario. Bring on the Chinese cars EVs, gasoline and hybrids cars!
Wait, who says we can't build the Chinese cars here? More union jobs. We build other foreign cars. GM, Ford and Toyota are not Canadian companies after all.
I spent a few months in China last year and had a chance to see and ride in a lot of amazing vehicles. There are basically no small, inexpensive vehicles in Canada available for purchase and the big three US automakers cannot produce them cheap enough to make a profit. Canada should welcome smaller, inexpensive EVs from China with open arms and no import tariffs. This would provide affordable transportation to the masses and promote EV infrastructure development to support them which would also help to drive the sales of larger domestic EVs. I personally wouldn't consider an EV as my primary vehicle, but an inexpensive, smaller EV would be great as a second vehicle for city use and I would only use my larger ICE vehicle for winter and long distance travel. Unfortunately, this isn't going to happen in Canada without the approval of the US government.
Why should Canada put tariffs on? You don’t own any major brands, factories aren’t there, and you guys get inferior cars than the USA. So, don’t put tariffs and welcome free competition.
I don't know where you're from but certainly not Canada, we do have factories here for American, Japanese and European manufactures and we get the same cars as USA (like literally off the same factories.).
The chinese typical trade practise is to dump massive amount s of product to block out competition, then when they have cornered the market, watch prices skyrocket. As it is, when their junk inevitiably breaks, there is no product support cause the "company" has disappeared.
@@tedcity5861 Like Xiaomi vs Apple vs Oppo vs Huawei ? Not really , the muricans tried a Tonya Harding with Huawei and everything Chinese anyway. Huawei is back and better than ever !! Chinese were fine buying competition for a long time like BMW, VW, Buick, Nissan and Toyota, but now it's their turn. They have leapfrogged the competition and the competition have become complacent and don't know how to fight back against Tesla and the Chinese EVs. If anything the competition is mostly between the Chinese brands themselves as there are too many & Tesla but in the process ICE or legacy will be wiped out first and that's already happening.
Other than a few Tesla models, I don't think there are any Chinese EV's sold in Canada. First of all they have to be Transport Canada approved, then there are all the Provincial specs to be met, Canada's own Crash Worthy standards & after all that, if Trudeau does add 100% tariffs onto Chinese vehicles, if this is in violation of the agreement Harper signed with the Chinese, they have the right to sue us & we have to pay for the Chinese legal defense costs. When Trudeau says 100% tariffs, does that mean 100% of their wholesale price? 100% of their current import duty rate? 100% of their manufacturers suggested retail price? How about we stop subsidizing the North American Auto Industry with tax dollars since they cannot turn a profit after 30 or 40 years of bail outs & let the market decide.
As a Canadian Automotive channel here, I say let them come! They will be the most beneficial move for consumers in Canada since they force a price war wherever they go. Furthermore, do not kid yourselves, our own "domestic" automakers are currently building vehicles in China and shipping them to Canada... GM, Tesla, Ford
Are you serious?? Have you not seen the news insanely poor quality of these EVs, they catch fire by themselves, airbags don’t deploy, one company literally locked the owner out remotely cause he had complaints about their crap car, another company locked out the charging port until the owner started to pay 600 yuan a month to rent the battery!
yeah, we'd be so much better to do like the Australians, open the floodgate and let the consumers get what they want !!! And we won't be left behind in the dust 10 yrs from now ...
@@billyehh Do like the Australians duh !!! What do the australians do instead of wasting resources on making cars ? Fish for lobsters , abalone , mine for iron ore or lng and sell to the world ? Does Canada lack lobsters ? Does Canada lack lng , does Canada lack mining ? Do the heavy lifting and u will be rewarded 10 yrs later.
@@bobmorane4926 Well, lobster fishing works in the Maritimes and for a few thousand people. You have to be careful not to overfish like we did with Cod. Fishing will not help in Ontario. Petroleum products will be peaking in the next 30 years. We are probably close to the maximum that we can develop at reasonable cost. Mining will increase, but not iron ore, ours is low grade. But we have lots of Lithium, Copper, Cobalt, Nickle, Uranium, Potash to name a few. Unfortunately mining uses a lot fewer workers now like many other industries. Automobiles have a large value added, That's why China is going after it and why we should fight back.
According to The China Automotive Dealer Association, an estimated 160,000 Chinese EV owners have been left in the lurch due to Chinese EV companies going under. What happens when they fold and you're left with a car you cannot use???
When we embrace their products we also embrace their communist ways of how they treat their people. If you do that it won't be long before they will own this country.
If they don’t want tariffs let them build a factory here and employ Canadiens As Canada we must work with tesla and byd to bring back SATURN SUV, sedan , Canada taxi line .
Then you would pay a higher price and you're back to square one. China is the industrial powerhouse they make stuff quickly and efficiently which we used to like until they got too big for America's comfort.
If you watched the news before, originally byd wanted to build a factory for vehicles assembly plant or battery plant in canada with hiring about 5 to 10k employees
Any genuises ever have the idea to sell American EVs for less money? Factories are becoming so automated that I find it hard to believe all of the cost discrepancy is labour and not profit.
We need some competition so Tesla will stop screwing the Canadian consumer. I'm actually a shareholder but I refuse to pay these ridiculous prices for the brand.
Norway lets all EV brands compete on equal footing and Chinese EVs aren't "taking over", while Norwegian people and environment had been benefiting from all the competitions for years. Stop the fear mongering, the mentality of slaves is living in fear.
@@theowoytowich9959 of course they don’t build cars, that’s why Norway is one of the wealthiest countries on earth, because they don’t live with the mentality of slaves, which is to exchange time and labour with meager returns, and considering the process as a privilege and constantly in fear of losing it.
@@pinkcichlid Norway is one of the wealthiest countries on earth because of their oil and natural gas industry. It contributes almost 25% to its economy and over 70% of it exports are oil and gas
@@theowoytowich9959 exactly, Canadian authors like Linda McQuaid and Stephen Poloz compared our economy to other resource-rich countries such as Norway and Australia, we should’ve been much better off than Norway - Alberta alone should’ve been richer than Norway! How can you know Norway’s economy composition yet still consider us having to conform to manufacturing slavery? Snap out of it and stop being manipulated by politician’s fear mongering.
@@pinkcichlid You need to get your thought together and not to ramble. What do Norway, Australia and Alberta have to do with slavery or fear mongering?????
Politicians need to respect free market principles. We need more competition in Canada to benefit the consumers. More competition will bring up the quality and bring down the sale price. Unfortunately Canada just has to follow the big brother US, that is the only reason for tariff. Other excuses are just non-sense, stupid and childish…
Canadians need affordable EVs to make life better. EVs are too expensive here in Canada because of lack of competition. Hope the government would bring in Chinese made EVs without imposing heavy tariff. Support Boyd!
By forcing Canadians to buy EVs, we give China a huge advantage as they can complete with any country in the EV market . ICE vehicles should never have been forced out the market by government decree.
So they can steal our data, are huge fire hazards, they use chinese slaves from labor camps they bring them to canada and pay them nothing so they destroy all the competition and we are left with useless garbage cars that break every other week or catch fire after a little accident. The smoke from these fires are super destructive to the enviroement also the battery is dangerous for the soil and chinese companies don't care about our laws and will dump chemicals all over our soil. They will use these companies to spy for the ccp. We should be banning every export and companies in Canada we should also deport all of them as they can spy for the ccp as they put a gun to the heads of there family members and force all chinese people to spy this is dangerous for our people and country. You people only care about money you worship money at the expense of your own people.
the west gate keeping out of fear as usual. don't worry tho, if they ever allow chinese evs in Canada they will tax the shit out of it leading to high prices to compete with american brands. more BS from the west
We Canada follow whatever our master command us. just bought a 24 civic 45k included tax, I rather buy BYD for 10-15k but with 100% tariffs I am the person paying double
It depends on the US though. Unfortunately, we follow the neighbour or they force us to follow. Either way we will not get Chinese cars in this country without getting approval from the US. We always have to ask our big brother US for anything like this. So, it's not about whether Canada should put taxes or not. In my opinion do whatever is best for the country and people of Canada.
Low quality fire haserd . Burst into flames wial driving or charging droping max charging reduce power output and have them increase cooler for batteries to reduce fires get final assembly dune in Canada at dealers
Absolutely we Canadian's should! We need more Canadian manufactured vehicles and combustion engine ones at that because electric cars are not suitable for our fridgid winter temperatures.
My sister and I are poor so a Chinese car would be a good investigation point for us because of the cost. Information about the cars is clouded in innuendo and falsehoods some clear actual information about them would be helpful because then my sister and I can compare, this way it makes the cost and options worse all around.
Don’t. Youre throwing away your money on dangerous trash. We don’t have the grid for it, and they’re a fire hazard. Good luck driving an EV in Canadian winter. Not happening.
@@MikeTrainormusic I didn't say I buy them I just want to check them out and compare them to another option. The more choices we have the better we'll be. They maybe junk but I want to check them out first and get first hand options.
Batteries are the main component in EVs. China's loose environmental regs plays a huge role in why they can manufacture so much batteries cheaper. Even in Indonesia which has large reserves of raw battery materials but also has little environmental protection laws, the Chinese are investing to retain their control in the battery manufacturing... Im not saying that to demonize any specific nationality, but this EV movement is not saving the environment. Its merely shifting to a different kind of pollution.
Norway sell more oil than Canada, colder than Canada and is number one in EVS around the world. How is that possible ? And they also hv 6 hr car trips ...
@@bobmorane4926 True. It just is a fact that after the early adopters, most people in Canada are not ready for EV's. Hybrids yes, but not full EV's. Myself included. If the government mandates all new cars are EV's I will keep my ICE vehicle going longer. Saudi Arabia is the world's largest oil exporter, followed by Russia and Canada. Norway, Nigeria, and Kazakhstan round out the list of top 10 oil exporters.
@@billyehh Well that's one person's opinion. Why not let the market decide and see whether millions who decide to buy a hybrid in Chyna are buying the old hybrid technology aka Honda or Toyota or are they all flocking to the new hybrid tech by Byd and Li Auto. For the unitiated , these hybrid labels can be very confusing if you're not willing to do the homework. As a matter of fact Toyota has already announced a switch to Byd hybrid tech in its future hybrid cars. I'll let you guess why the best selling hybrid car in the West is now swtching to Chinese hybrid tech.
@@bobmorane4926 China is a different culture than Canada. In North America the adoption of EV's is slowing down. That is fact. I will not touch them with a barge pole. That is opinion. My opinion is based on my research and distrust of the CCP. They are becoming more authoritarian every day. If you believe what Peter Zeihan has to say, if we we want stuff soon, we will have to build it ourselves because of Chinese demographics an finances.
@@billyehh I'm sure lots of blackberry users felt they would never give up their phone keyboard over their dead body. Obama was their idol and it felt that Blackberry would not only overcome the smartphone craze, it would come out the winner. Those were personal feelings even as the stats said otherwise. Same story today. There's already too many youtube videos that hv covered the actual facts abt EV sales in North America, I'm sure you can find them. Btw , Chyna , the biggest car market in the world is already climbing the exponential side of the S curve if that means anything to u.
We don't want you driving cars with internal combustion engines cause it destroys the environment ....... and we don't want you driving clean EVs either it seems.
Lol have you heard any of their EVs produced in other countries explode so far? Those exploding EV were old news, they have improved so much since. Even their hybrid is much better than Toyota now. Toyota is now trying to get BYD hybrid tech onto their cars.
@@zakmirza9546 Then there is the AI issue and security. Also, there are many substantiated circumstances that have compromised Canadian security by the same country. That’s the main reason given for the 100% tariff on EVs from China.
@@zakmirza9546 Acting like you know whether or not the claims are substantiated is exactly what gaslighting is. Especially with no investigation. Nice try.
Everything comes from China. So we are screwed now. Lmao 😂 they will just raise prices on everything else to cover the costs. Shipping will be doubled. OMG 😱 what have you done
Affordable EV's and solar panels using slave labour and coal fired electricity, what a great plan to reduce emissions????. If it is so great why don't we do it in Canada????
Canada should simply ban Chinese cars from coming to Canada. This is because according to Chinese law, all Chinese companies are obliged to share any data collected with the central Chinese government. Since the electric car is powered by a super computer, it will collect a lot of information and video about the driver. That means the Chinese government will know exactly how we live in Canada. I certainly don’t want the Chinese government to know where I go to eat, what theatre I go to etc.
To be honest, that kind of level of anxiety over your data is over exaggerated. If they really want to know where you are, what to do, what you see, they can just hack your phone and they have more information than your car. All of our phones are made in China, but no one says anything about China. They could plant malware in every phone coming out of there if they want to. I don’t think they care about that useless information on normal citizens though. Building the car and data center in Canada with third party cybersecurity will alleviate all those issues.
Totally agree. The guest Roger Boyd is ignorant in his field of international fair. If unfair subsidy is not an issue, why would EU and US often ran into trade talk? The idiot (Boyd) doesn’t have capacity in understanding what communist state do to control its people. And now to use it’s (China) excess supply (that’s the shortcoming of a planned economy market) to flood UN, US, Canada and rest of the world. Boyd called this would increased Canada’s EV competition ? Canada didn’t have its own automaker company. So really don’t know how by importing cheap Chinese EV would help local EV industry. By inviting guest like Boyd, Bloomberg’s standard just sink further…..
why they need to know your information? Your jobs are simply can be replaced by any third world refugee by $18 per hour or $15 cash. They need to caculate how much you earn per day? or put more energy on developing cars to sell to rest of world ? who is more meanful or better investment ?
With what I have seen coming out of China, Canada should ban the import of electric vehicles from this country. They are a danger to the public, from the shoddy manufacturing to the fire hazard. These vehicles are substandard.
Why have EVs at all? They’re expensive, costs a lot to buy, maintain, insure and dispose of. Never mind that they’re a toxic, environmentally dangerous product. Put a stop to EVs. Continue researching other alternatives.
Tariff is good so local product produce by manufacturers in Canada will survive and maintain Canadian jobs. Chinese had a bad intentions as a country. Please don’t support authoritarian country!!!
New tech, automation and robotics have already made their introduction in the auto plants and the rate of technology, automation and robotic use will replace the ever rising overhead and labour. You’re only kidding yourself if Ford, GM or say Stellantis continues to employ people labour. They have seen the efficiency and cost reduction of Tesla’s plant in Shanghai and BYD’s plant in China. That’s why China EVs are cheap and affordable, not because of materials costs. It’s people like you who aren’t forward thinking holding Canada back.
@@cchu319 don’t preached your country from me China has no originality they pretend to be friendly and create a joint venture to steal western technology and now your saying western labour was the problem. Do you know the benefits working in any of the big three companies it’s garbage.
@@cchu319 Mr. A-choo please keep your comments to yourself I’m concerned about people working in Canada if your mind and heart still belong to China just live there and don’t bother people with your Chinese hypocrisy.
Proud Canadian or a prideful White person? Does Canada have high tech industry that sustainable and inventive, especially EV? Why? Feeling proud your master from the south treated you with some tech toys to play with once in a while in order for your government to poodle-like behavior to lost its sovereignty and dignity as an independent nation? Wait, your currency still uses another foreign portrait of the royal family...
read an artical not so long ago of a car manufacturer in north america importing a cheap BYD..they totally stripped it down and checked it out...their synopsis was, that if BYD came to north america it would decimate the car manufacturing here because the chinese vehicals were so well made in every way...and cheaper...perhaps our car builders could take note and start to build a decent product...perhaps a bit of competition is what we need
It all depends if you want to work for a Chinese wage and working conditions or if you want to work for a Canadian wage and working conditions. I don't see a lot of people leaving Canadian to go live in China.
@@DVinCanada ya that seems reasonable, until the US slaps a tariff on us for supporting China. Also inviting Chinese companies to operate here will lead to more foreign interference in our country. I think it’s in the best interest of the west to choke china out of trade and investment.
This is a narrow view. We aren’t China. We don’t have the subsidiaries to have all the charging station to run the shitty batteries they put out. We need to build a recycling facilities for lithium ion and try to import materials from partners in Africa. Also we need to mine anything we possibly can mine and utilize to become independent from Chinese junk.
We are going around it all wrong in North America we don’t need Chinese garbage. We need to end dependency and make new partners. Not isolation but embracing new opportunities building up Africa. Instead our enemies are 20 years ahead of us and stirring up trouble to boot.
The US is Tony Harding and China is Nancy Kerrigan. Millions dead just since 9-11 thanks to American bombs according to the Costs of War Project out of Brown University.
They don't care to get into our market. They are gonna own the market anyways like he said at the end. It's our loss, not theirs if we make bad decisions. We already have, that's why our economy is doing a lot worse than our so called friend south of the border.
