Cancel Culture and Wokeness [engl.] 

My friend from India said Westerners are like gorillas in a cage throwing their own sh*t around just to make something happen.

This is true. I have never met a hardworking immigrant in the States that is pro-Social Justice, pro-CRT, super woke, etc. They are hyper-focused on building a life for themselves, for their family, for their extended family, etc. They don't care about any of this esoteric, elite nonsense.

So true orbo Akin. I live in a community where 70% of the people are from India. Of all the white households in my court it's only the woke SJW university educated one that just can't fit in. Of course they are not the ones that have to work long hours at physically demanding jobs or running a small business. The other white households came here as struggling working class immigrants, or are first generation Canadians from originally financially struggling homes, where English wasn't our first language, so we can relate to our new Asian neighbors. Our idea of diversity and inclusion with them means hanging out with food and drink, and engaging in simple conversation, while the kids are playing around us. For some reason the SJW types don't seem to be capable of just talking to non white people like they're the same as everyone else. Every conversation with them is about oppression, colonialism and how hard it must be to live in a racist western country. They're absolutely clueless that average working people regardless of their culture or color, don't care about CRT and social justice. They also appear to think everyone belongs to two monolithic cultures with singular mindsets and identities, the white oppressor and the, apparently to them, inferior non white oppressed, and that everyone is equally obsessed about it. Even while aware that some of us, including me, have experienced life under a dictatorship, and know full well what oppression is. They of course fully ignore this inconvenient fact since it doesn't fit their narrative, and focus entirely on the historical injustices of the European oppressors, that they, and no one else they know, could've been responsible for. Nothing says tone deaf like telling a bunch of Hindus about the white theft/appropriation of Islamic numerals, which everyone, except I guess them, all knew were originally Indian. They also got offended when I brought up that us Greeks like the Hindus, had also suffered centuries of oppression under Islamic masters, and that half us had been exterminated by the time we got our freedom. They simply told me that that kind of talk fosters Islamophobia. I guess they felt I was wedging into their imaginary special bond that their wokeness grants them with our neighbors, while contradicting their delusional perception of how the real world has always functioned. So they weren't too happy when the conversation went to the Indo-Pakistani and Greco-Turkish conflicts, and how India had sided with Greece over the Turkish occupation of Cyprus. Around them one is permitted to speak of only one peoples misdeeds, and appreciate their efforts to absolve themselves of injustice through a lot of SJW talk. Needless to say they've been increasingly behaving and treating their white neighbors as privileged outsiders. Too bad they still haven't realized that everyone starts to politely excuse themselves from the conversation, as soon as they start evangelizing about the evils of western civilization, and oppression. Personally I can't wait for one of them to root for the wrong cricket team around the wrong person, it just might get them a lesson on diversity.

But your children, born here, will be just as susceptible.

@@omallakas4156 +1 for the cricket reference, haha

Is bad ass for white folks only

Well, that’s kinda his job as a linguist😂👍🤙

LOLLLL Never imagined? The safest, most prosperous time in human history?

I don't believe that this has anything to do with Codid. It has been virulent for at least a decade, and I was saying what John said, 40 years ago. Do you think that it might be some weird "chimpanzee-brain-flaw" which causes us to think in these ways? It seems to me that, if this is the case, that our only way out is to develop a culture in which we call out, and value being called out when we are being irrational. Your thoughts?

Really? Maybe we just need to recognise being offensive is a right? That racist, sexist, lgbt hating values are freedom of speech???? Why Woke must be condemned!

JW?

There is an upside down crucifix in a jar of urine at the Guggenheim Museum. If that were the Torah you would be labeled an anti semite. If that were the Koran you would be labeled an Islamaphobe . But if it is Jesus it is art.

If we return to sanity in about 200 years most of the "art" from the past 100 years and especially the last 20 years will be seen as worthless. It is so worthless it will just be kept in storerooms and displayed only when there is a lecture being given on the insanity that overcame artists (?) in our era.

A lot of people cannot stand the guy. He's either dismissed as a lightweight or decried as a sell-out. He gets a lot of attention because he's a great publicist. I guess he dares to put his head above the parapet; he wears very good armour.

@@keyboarddancers7751 be bold intellectually, pay the price. It's a hard thing to avoid.

@@keyboarddancers7751 say something worthwhile.

You're definitely correct, for example the Oregon State Educational System deciding to do away with a "white supremecist-style" math that requires students to come up with a single answer, because certain groups of people are statistically falling behind in math. To tell kids they are just incapable of doing math as well as other kids because of their race is an abomination, and acknowledging a discrepancy just enough to make such a policy but fire anyone who dares bring it up directly in an attempt to address it in a helpful way. I've said the same thing, these people have no idea how much actual white supremacists are cheering these ideas on. And Jordan Peterson's brought up several times that these anti-bias trainings seem to cause the opposite of intended responses in participants, and there's been sufficient evidence of this for years.

Bang on. My gay sister was reprimanded for speaking up about her company (Bayer) constantly talking about her sexuality at work.

@Fizzyx13 I absolutely agree. This becomes completely obvious after having listened to Yuri Bezmenov. Now, if FSB (KGB), China or something else is the source we could argue about for years. But it doesn´t change the fact that Western society is crumbling, even India is affected.

A condescending liberal is basically a dishonest bigot with a white supremacist shadow-self perching over their shoulder.

That’s one of the things I noticed somewhat early on- you literally cannot talk to folks that are truly ‘woke’. Once they become entrenched in that ideology, they are like possessed demons and they all recite the same talking points. Stats are meaningless to them as well ..

He's not really saying they are religious zealots exactly. He is saying there are ways people engage with ideology when thinking about it within their "theology" that is different from rational discussion. This is why it is difficult or impossible to reach such people. One person thinks they are having a discussion on race whereas the other is defending their faith without the self awareness that that is what they are doing. This is the "fish that doesn't know it's wet point"

Mainstream media will do all they can do to hide these kinds of intellectuals from public eye.

​@@rabiulchowdhury2170 I can't think of a worse example to pick to make that argument. McWhorter is extremely well represented in the "mainstream media". I mean come on, the mainstream media is trying to hide a guy who has a podcast at Slate and writes a weekly newsletter for the New York Times? Get real...

True, real life gus fring! Except he's not the villain

@@bofbob1 I’ve never came across him before, and it’s a subject I’m very interested in. And believe it or not, there’s a lot more out there to pay attention to than Slate and the New York Times!

​@@terrypussypower Sure, I'm just saying the idea that mainstream media is trying to hide someone like him from the public eye is ludicrous. I just cited his regular gigs, but I've seen him all over the place in the "mainstream", at least in the Anglo cultural sphere: CNN, BBC, MSNBC, Fox News, the Atlantic, Wa-Po, Guardian, etc. etc. If people don't pay attention to "mainstream" media, that's fine but then they should probably be more careful about saying they're trying to "hide these kinds of intellectuals from the public eye" if they don't actually know...

That is a very cryptic message Mr. Higgins. What certain group are you referring to?

@@thomasreaves588 The academy, the far left, and those practicing the "religion" that John is describing.

Nice save😂

Good luck with that...

Indeed. Right groups. It is for all of us to save open discussion. Because history tells us what happens if we don't stand up now. Personally I sense a pushback and am intent on being a small part of that effort.

Excellent point. The obsession with immutable characteristics always being the root of the power differential is wrongheaded.

Brilliantly put. In addition, there's constant mixing of culture and nature when it comes to deciding on a definition for these "essential" identities. For example, what does it mean to be a man/woman? Being masculine/feminine or being biologically male/female? Is being straight/gay about sexual desires or lifestyle choices? Is being black about melanin levels or speaking ebonics "like all real African Americans do"?

@@TriggeredJelly I think the two things go hand in hand. Those who see everything through a identity group + power lens, always seem to also act as gatekeepers on what’s an authentic understanding of any particular identity. You see the dishonest comments often from white people that they’re going to be silent and ‘listen to people of colour’. That JMcW, Ibrahim X Kendi, Adolph Reed Jnr, Thomas Sowell are about as different politically as it’s possible to get escapes them and make the whole thing a nonsense (They of course mean you listen to Kendi & dismiss everyone else). When it comes to sex & gender it’s all so incoherent it makes my head hurt.

well said

@@JC_0007 What reality isn’t being discussed?

So true! I think this just isn't the kind of video that easily shows up on people's RU-vid front page. Also, people are of course too scared to share it anywhere.

Some of it is probably because the main channel is in german. What percentage Its the cause don't know. You can always try bringing it up to your favorite content creators attention if they like long-form!

Over 10 000 now ;)

My feed says only 452! ?

I concur

I was fortune enough to come across him and Glenn Loury about 9 months ago .. Daily bread now

@@cameronidk2 “daily bread” were you going for that religious pun?…even if you weren’t it’s perfect! If I could have dinner with one person in America it’s a tie between McWhorter or George Will.

Check out his interviews with Nick Gillespie of Reason TV on RU-vid if you’ve not already.

@@dcj3831 I think i might have or a similar interview on his new book. I have so far liked every thing I've listened to or watched on Reason TV.

@@dcj3831 Who's George Will ? (Flinches and ducks away) no really?

How about a thank you and praise John McWhorter!!!

racist comment how the he'll should people talk?

Yes, it seems like he threw Bret Weinstein and Sam Harris under the bus for no reason, and even implied they were somehow right wing, which was bizarre.

@@TheFirstHurrah That's just how it is these days. If you suggest that there is an alternative to vaccines or if you're critical of islam you just have to be right wing...

I heard it as he’s associated with people who are identified as being under that tent, and that’s correct. And some of them are quite whacky even if it’s not specifically Harris or Weinstein.

This bothered me as well. The term “anti-vaxxer” is a tool to broad stroke a many who have concerns about a particular “vaccine”. It’s a term thrown around like “conspiracy theorist” to dismiss outright subject matter that may indeed be relevant and true.

The best!

Some of us, a lot of us really, have been listening for awhile. It's all out there if you look for it!

LOLLLLLLLLL

Capitalist in the sense that, yes, people are profiting from selling global Marxism, and corporations figured this out during Obama's 2 terms. People don't sell Che Guevara t-shirts and coffee mugs, BLM paraphernalia for that matter, with the intent of spreading the profits to the proletariat, or poor minorities. This is partly what makes CRT a sad joke. The other part is those who adhere to it do so at their own demise--and the know it!!

I think before you use the term Marxism you have to understand who Marx was, where he came from and what he wrote. His ideas to achieve Communism never came to fruition for many reasons, particularly World Wars and Monarchy. I suggest you read it and study a history of working class to understand why we are where we are.

Eric Kaufmann traces its liberal and "liberal identity" roots pretty well in Whiteshift.

@@Mark-hc8ek Global capitalism will not introduce socialism. That idea is absurd.

What represents far Left is up for debate, and the same can be said about the far Right: is it traditional Christianity? Is it extreme capitalism? Is it Julius Evola? The list of more o less believable and often mutually exclusive candidates is plentiful.

I don't agree with him about CRT being a religion, for me is a cult.

@@cristinaabramo4334 Many people describe religions as cults which have received accceptance by nation states.

@@cristinaabramo4334 Some consider it is a heresy of Christianity, or of Marxism, which itself is downstream of Christianity.

@@cristinaabramo4334 all religions are cults.

The US exports this stuff, same as they did in happier days with healthier cultural products like American-style democracy. We see it here in Japan too.

I agree ☝️ I’m so sick of it I want to move out the country so bad. Along with the violence here it’s really a dangerous place to live now . All this proud mess needs to stop . Cancel culture needs to stop 🛑 immediately. I hate living here. So much crime and if you defend yourself you get more time like 20 years than the person robbing and killing you

Agreed.

Yes, absolutely.

Brett Weinstein is far left.

@@willmercury I know. That's why it's interesting that he was the first name he mentioned.

That's their grift, same as Tim Pool, Dave Rubin, etc. They're the "left" that criticizes their own because "they have gone off the rails!!!" Which makes for great right wing content. Next thing you know they're defending antivaxer ideas, justifying Jan 6, selling doomsday pepper meals... They're all despicable people.

In fairness, host does say "...people associated with the right, whether fairly or not..." Right is the new left.

@@notafantbh if criticizing your own makes you part of the other side then we've got problems. I don't put Brett Weinstein on the same level as Tim Pool or Dave Rubin. Tim Pool, IMO, is a useful idiot for the right. He keeps saying he's on the left, and that may well be true, but he's hyper focused on the far left and paints all the left using the same broad brush. He clings to Occupy Wallstreet for credibility but he uses pretty obscure sources to make his points on his show. I've found that often times the stories he talks about don't hold up to scrutiny when you look into it. Dave Ruben seems like a grifter to me. Maybe he was left leaning before but he tries to recruit people to the right. Not that there's anything wrong with moving to the right, but Rubin just comes across as not entirely trustworthy in my eyes. Brett and Heather may seem like they like to smell their own farts from time to time but they discuss things they've seen and experienced. Unlike Tim and Dave, they don't focus solely on one or two topics, they discuss other things as well. True, they criticize the left sometimes, but they don't push for a shift to the right side. From what I've seen, they try to unify people somewhere else rather than push them to one side or the other (ex. their Unity campaign during the last election). Some of their discussions on things like COVID may be used by the right, by I don't think that's intentional. They've repeatedly said COVID is something to be taken very seriously. For the longest time they were the only ones I heard talk about long Covid and organ damage. But that's my take away anyway. I'm just a person spending way too much time writing a reply to a stranger on RU-vid.

What types of reforms would you like to see in colleges?

@@divineintervention212 for starters it would be nice if administrators would act like the adults they pretend to be. They should be the parent figure in a school full of 2 year olds having temper tantrums.

As someone teaching in the university system please believe that Covid showed us how it was possible to provide tertiary education for low cost, great quality (i work in a top 10 global uni). We simply have to work out the accreditation. Expect rapid innovstion (the hopeful perspective). Meanwhile here in the UK, government sessions sat yesterday to pass a new bill guaranteeing academic freedom. Not ideal but ....

They are enormous Ponzi schemes, functioning to benefit the bureaucrats. CRT is a godsend to university administrators; it has given them enormous power. The academics are terrified of being accused of ‘racism’ for some momentary failure to spout orthodoxies.

Amen to Bret antivaxxer, I was disappointed in John jumping on that bandwagon. To me, seems Bret wants to encourage cognitive liberty re vaccinations and other Covid treatments.

I would add every single commercial news outlet to that list, I’m a certified pinko commo amd the behaviour of our news services, White House Press Releases has been woeful to say the least. There are dire consequences to maintain this level of disinformation and fabrication… They are dumbing our population and creating an environment of distrust ripe for conspiracy to flourish.

i'd buy that for a dollar!

so does literally every single person who has an opinion about literally anything

@@russellharvey7096 I agree that conflating a bunch of things you don't like is sloppy and biased. I'm not terribly fond of the polemical use of the term 'religion' either.

so you want the alternative? That everyone should be as offensive as possible and have no respect for anyone else? because thats what it mean's not to be woke.

@@bricktopian No, the problem is that this is taken too far. People who are not racist are accused of being racists, people who are simply ignorant with no intention of offending anyone are being cancelled. This is what must stop. We must pay attention to people's intentions, we must pay attention to context, we must strive to reach truth of the matter rather than just jumping to conclusions as society seems to be doing now. Also we should start criticising behaviours rather than canceling people. Good people can make bad choices, just as much as bad people can make good choices and we as a society should start acknowledging that.

@@bricktopian the boy who cried woke!

It is-and I fail to see what relevance it has in the European context but that basically just shows how the dilution of nationalism in Europe has helped make it an American colony.

It is...just not negatively

@@muffinman5741 Slave is taken from the Slavic tribes of Europe. The Islamic African Moors favored selling these people in the slave markets of North Africa. To a large degree the phenomenon of white Islamic Arabs originates with the brutal tyranny of the Moors dominance n Europe.

That's true. And he also has guinea pigs.

I thought he had italians behind him

They have spoken. John was part of a black intellectual round table discussion moderated by Brett Weinstein last year. It was a fantastic discussion regarding wokism in the context of the death of George Floyd. Many vital perspectives in that talk.

Jedi Child: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-pHGt733yw3g.html Bret Weinstein brings together some very bright men in this roundtable discussion. Thomas Chatterton Williams initiated the Harper's letter on open discussion and free speech last summer that generated a lot of discussion. He was shocked when some especially woke journalists dismissed the letter as coming from entitled white people when, in fact, almost one third of the 150+ signatories were people of color

@@edmey Thank you. I appreciate Bret and Heather. It’s also strange how a lot of liberal and independent thinking minds are getting outcast. To my woke friends (I’m avoiding), everything I say is somehow a right wing talking point, or white supremacist. I’m happy for Virginia !! Stellar work done by the people. If it comes down to freedom of speech (and a lot more), I’ll end up voting right or libertarian. A lotta people will be. I just want CNN to stop lying to the people in my family who are awesome (not radicalized), but who avoid looking further into stuff. Peace

No, not the Knights Who Say Ni****!

Stop lyin

I think all of the critics of woke have their own unique angles.

Exactly. This isn't meant as a criticism of McWhorter, but it's not a new or insightful idea at all. It was discussed 7 years ago when I started noticing the problem and 'social justice as religion' was arrived at independently by random schmucks online. I think I even remember attempting to write down my own description of the "woke" religion (though of course we didn't use the word woke back then). It might be a correct analysis but it's also somewhat pointless. It certainly won't convince the woke faithful. The use of recognizing them as a religious movement is for those who are heathens to the faith. We must realise that there is no debate to be had with the woke and associated ideologies because their conception of the good is fundamentally incompatible with mine. While I would once have been happy for them to have their own area where they implement their insanity, I now realise that they cannot tolerate anyone living outside of their system and so it's an existential battle (which they may have already won).

I don´t think it´s in their best interest to notice; it´s the people who don´t agree on nonsense who will put an eventual stop to it

This the same idiot that said GOD is dead. If he is deas y r u living. Only Christianity teaches the truth of our Lord and GOD Jesus Christ. Not your philosophy

Nice armchair philosophising there. I'd remind you that the genius of the "scientific" approach is to actually look at whatever you are talking about (sources, etc in this case) rather than indulging in contrafactual speculation.

You are making pronouncements about Christian history and theology, but you seem to be very misinformed about both.

That might be because they paid to be there

Maybe the woke white berlin audience didn´t dare to because he´s black...?

It's Germany.

The modern liberal is always several years behind where they need to be in order to pose any kind of effective opposition to wokeness. John McWhorter is a decent man, but his views and tactics will result in those he speaks against getting the majority of what they want. When he's an old man he will either have to concede it was a mistake not to act more decisively or he will have to change his views to align with theirs in order to not feel the pain of having played a small role in allowing things to degenerate so far. Either way, it will be too little, too late.

All lectures a good until the say something you don't agree with, it's called HYPOCRISY sir 😒

@@divineintervention212 ..that's not what hypocrisy means, and the OP didn't say it "was good until...". He said it was good, but followed by something not good.

John "I ain't no IDW" McWhorter.

I thought Coleman Hughes was IDW. But he's on McWhorter's good list.

Bret Weinstein, Heather Heying, Sam Harris, Jordan Peterson are neither right wing nor anti-vaxxers!!!

Is it not better to hear an argument against Woke Ideology from other angles too?

I have followed John McWhorter for many years and respect his insights. However, bunching together those people dubbed members of the “Intellectual Dark Web” and referring to them as anti-vaxers is an exaggerated claim. What distinguishes the people categorized as members of the IDW is that they are committed to classical liberal values (especially free thought and free speech). They are logical and data-driven in their thinking and are willing to acknowledge their mistakes when they make them. I see John McWhorter, in spirit and in intellect, as being something of a stealth member of the IDW. I believe that being a shrewdly diplomatic person, who wants to stands up to extremism while not being canceled himself, John chooses to distance himself from those IDW members who are the most severe critics of wokeness. Ironically, this talk and John’s next book are in perfect harmony with the critiques of wokeness one would expect to hear from the IDW. 😉

I think he was distinguishing his agenda from theirs, and also wanting to distance himself, saying "they haven't looked so good lately", obviously referring to Weinstein. He doesn't want to be lopped into a group that some see as anti-vax.

@@russellharvey7096 Could be. Although Weinstein is not anti-vax. His views have been mischaracterized as anti-vax. He has been a longtime advocate of vaccines. He believes in an open scientific dialogue, free of censorship. He also believes that we are adults who, in consultation with physicians we trust, have the right to make autonomous choices regarding our healthcare. I think that many IDW folk hold similar views to Bret’s. Insomuch as this may be true, it appears that most (particularly the older) have been vaccinated and a few have not been.

Where it concerns Covid, Bret is pretty much anti vax (and pro Ivermectin). I don’t know why he has so firmly entrenched himself on that hill, but he may well die on it. I’d hate to see that happen because I love him. Eric’s biggest mistake IMO was coining the term IDW. All it was, was a growing number of people finding each other and having deep and interesting conversations. Once Eric coined the term, it became something tangible, something to point a finger at. That ensured its eventual demise. I think these issues show a level of arrogance that seems to be present with a lot of these intellectuals. With Sam Harris it was TDS. Hating Trump is one thing; TDS is another thing altogether.

Absolutely agree. McWhorter’s failure to challenge that assumption - with it’s completely fallacious categorisation of Weinberg and Peterson - was breathtakingly shocking. He better correct that -very publicly - very soon.

Weinstein

I think he was too presumptive there too, however I don't think he was super assertive with his claim which makes it better. It was more "as I understand them, I strongly disagree with them on some issues." But yeah, I think he acknowledges his familiarity is limited.

Bret Weinstein and Heather Heyings sadly have been overly critical of covid vaccines beyond a measure that's supported by any scientific literature in my view. On top, they have overemphasized the potential benefits of Ivernmectin. Sure, John could have had a more nuanced view, but he is right in having a different position compared to them.

@@Der_Thrombozyt Yeah, I think John can appreciate nuance but them in particularly have gone a bit too far. For a tangent question like this was I think his response was ok.

🤣🤣🤣 Touché!

Most adherents of the Frankfurt School are actually deeply critical about CRT.

Interesting comment, not too often I come accross another person that understands all religions share a common root, or at least philosophical foundation... Although, I would say some principles (rules) go back further than the "golden rule", which as I recall was Confucius; who, mentioned that a few hundred years before what that was stated in the Gospel of Matthew. Then again, I think some of the first parts of the Torah go back to at least 1300 BCE. Regardless, as you asserted and I would agree, the principles found in religious and philosophical views are being set aside for various self-centered, self-interested, and self-dealing views. Pretty sure Moses, Confucius, Voltaire, etc. would all be "cancelled" today, so to speak.

Peterson is on the right, he says so himself (Oxford debate amongst other places). The real problem is with stigmatising somebody for no being lefttis.

@@GingerDrums Never said such a thing. But maybe I missed it. Please provide quote/video. I'm all ears.

@@GingerDrums I hadn't heard him classify himself that way, though I would gladly place him on the 19th century liberal wing of the right which stands against progressivism. He's clearly not a leftist. With regard to your other point, you are absolutely correct. The problem is with stigmatising someone for not being a leftist. "Right-wing" is often used and taken to mean something negative. You might disagree with me because I take it further: I now think there is a fundamental problem with someone being a leftist. This doesn't mean all leftists are wrong or immoral or that I would discount a person for simply being a leftist. For example, many anti-war people are leftists and their reasons for being anti-war are often good. Many leftists will have a moral pang about public schools becoming modern day residential school indoctrination centres EVEN IF they happen to agree with the values and ideas with which the children are being indoctrinated. That is, they still value autonomy and parental rights.

@@GingerDrums Wrong. His comment was a joke, not that it matters either way but he does clarify. You need to listen to the whole lecture if you are going to comment. He has stated many times he's neither right or left.

@@GingerDrums Folks have forgotten the meaning of the terms CONSERVATIVE and LIBERAL. The distinctions of "RIGHT vs LEFT" also are being used to describe political views but are limiting . For instance.. it is said that you go too far in both directions you meet up. So somone who is on this linear scale on the LEFT.. is going soooo far LEft that they are "Right".. I think it is confusing to rely too heavily on the LEFT vs Right label. Jordan Peterson has also been called a Nazi... and yet he has talked extensively AGAINST Nazism and Facism.. (look that up too!). He has made references to the Gulag Archipelago work and how Stalinist Soviet Russia was brutal and comparing and warning society of the dangers of leaning too far into that model. Peterson is a more nuanced figure and It is disappointing that folks who claim to be LIBERAL refuse.. outright refuse to listen to ANYTHING he has said. They are just entrenched in their ideologies and have lost the way.

I noticed that as well. He is very late to the party if he think this is a recent thing.

Every time I hear John or Glenn Lowry say "the murder of GF" I sigh and think REALLY. I appreciate the fact that they have both changed their opinions, (after they watched The fall of Minneapolis documentary) and now believe that Derrick Chauvan is innocent, but it really is something that they believed the "narrative" for so long when the evidence was clear for everyone to see at least from the time of the (rigged) trial.

Fighting for the white man

Fighting for the slave master