I worked in the schools for a few years. It is NOT funding. It is FAMILY INVOLVEMENT . Parents period are the biggest factor . It’s not COLOR, It is CULTURE.
yup, that's why the mob of kids in chicago deleted stores regardless if they had food or not, they weren't starving, so none of it was charged by desperation like the chicago mayor insisted. Just acting like possesed demons.
FACTS! It doesn't take a village, it takes two involved parents. I have many family members and friends that are teachers. Money is not the issue it's the excuse. Parents need to be parents and not act like children themselves. PARENTS are your main teachers for life, period. If your're successful in life, thank your parents.
I am a black teacher. Our black culture does not value education as a whole. I have taught in all black schools. Many parents did not value education. I taught kindergarten and I taught my students to read. I had a fellow teacher who taught her kindergarten class the letters and sounds only. That was the extent of what we were suppose to do. But I knew my students could learn to read. Teachers, parents and the students are all at fault. The black culture needs to do better at preparing their children for success. Stop telling the children that education is not important as parents. Teachers have to believe that their students can learn. Relationship is important but if you privately believe the students can’t learn, relationship means nothing. The video gave both sides equally. The guy in the back needs to do his research. They give funding to many black schools. Funding is not the answer! The kids do not want to learn because it is not valued in black homes. Read more books by Thomas Sowell especially the guy in the back who wanted to argue but does not know the issues. Most of my black students did not have a dad in the home. It is a big problem. I used a white board and text book. It works!
You very beautifully and eloquently said everything I was thinking including the point about the guy in the back. It seems like he is like this a lot in videos. I think once he does a lot more research and listens to all sides, he’s smart enough to figure out what’s really going on and will make positive changes for himself and others around him.
I disagree school is boring, students are also over worked. If you notice students have been doing worse. I taught myself majority of everything I know because I made it fun for myself when I was in suspended which was damn near every week or other week. The only time I learned something was when a teacher made it fun or they pound us to death with work. I’m 27 now don’t have to work I own a trucking company I graduated college a year after highschool. Let’s be realistic most parents cave be there everybody don’t have that privilege. You really looked at this from a very onesided perspective
@Judy Gray, I don't know if you have had the opportunity to read Dr. Ben Carson's autobiography, (if you haven't I recommend it) but it really underscores how important it is for a parent to make their children's education a priority. His mother was a single mom, uneducated and illiterate. Ben and his brother were at or near the bottom of their classes in grades. She got fed up and told them that she was restricting their TV watching to 2 programs per day, and that they had to read 2 books per week and write a book report on each book they read. They didn't know that she couldn't read, so she pretended to read the book reports they submitted as they were telling her about the books. Within a year, both of them were at the top of their class. Dr. Ben went on to become one of the foremost surgeons in the WORLD. His brother literally became a rocket scientist.
@Judy Gray. Very good points. I'm sure there are other songs but this one springs to mind, Run Dmc 'it's like that'. 40 years old. It can't be easy though trying to learn in a class with 'tough boy, gansta wannabees' .
@@christododo2823 I'm sorry to say but she's States a lot more facts than you think name one thing she's lied about dude I'll wait. By the way my wife is African black.
I’m a 53 year old black male and an 8th grade Science teacher. I love watching these young men have this kind of open dialogue, impressive and inspiring.
M.I.T. university dropped the need for tests scores like 4 years ago and the new students (without an ACT or SAT score) did so poorly the university has now reinstated test score requirements.
Not surprising. I get so irritated with people who think test scores shouldn't matter. If you can't prove you know something, that's a problem. Grades don't prove what you know, in many cases. Grades can skew things a lot in your favor, or against you, while not reflecting what you know... because there is not a standardized way of evaluating for grades.
@@brn2863 test scores shouldn’t be the only determining factor. Especially considering that plenty of poor school districts don’t offer the advance classes needed to do well on these test.
I was a poor white girl raised by an uneducated single mother in HUD housing. I’m getting my masters now after staying home to raise my four kids. The teachers at my school were the ones that helped me to see my capability. I went on to teach in the inner city and cared more than most of the parents and kids did about their success. Students need to be self-motivated but also externally encouraged. Thanks for this discussion.
and that is mentorship of any kind...somebody to steer you...i was poor from single mother with 8 kids...she was forced to stop working to stay home on welfare to get us back from welfare who had taken us in Australia..i had no mentor and was very bright but day dreamed my time away..
So in the end you knew what shitty circumstances were from experience and strived to help elevate other kids once you had the chance to show them there was a path forward... I mean the world needs more teachers with that dedication and understanding. That goes a long way toward fixing the root issues that brought about this conversation and laws in the 1st place. Thank you for your years of service.
@@mikedemike5393 I’m sorry you didn’t have a mentor. I had so many wonderful mentors! I was extremely luck and I appreciate the education I received. We used to call it “grooming your replacement.” The word groom had been used by mentors to describe how they trained certain people to rise up. as their mentor steps down.
You have to remember what Amala said regarding the teaching of people to be "less white". Many of those things that they say come from "whiteness" were things like 1. perfectionism (caring to a high degree to do the best possible) 2. punctuality (being on time and prepared for things consistently) 3. Focus on achievement (having a desire and drive to improve 4. Productivity (making good use of time and resources to produce results If minority groups are being taught this kind of thinking - to avoid those "white" things, they will ultimately have worse performance on academic and professional pursuits. It is not because they are black or minorities that they do poorly - they are literally taught and trained to do poorly. If their parents don't step in and correct these bad teachings from the school, the children will do poorly in school. If parents are convinced they can trust the school to teach their children good values - better than the parent can - the children are going to do poorly in school and life. Parental involvement is a HUGE factor in success. The parents who are pushing their kids toward the values wrongly described as "whiteness" values, are the parents who have children who do well in school and have good character values (on average) in almost all life pursuits. The parents who are not involved (whether due to time constraints, overly trusting in public schools and government to teach their children, or apathy_ are the parents who, on average, have children who do poorly in school and in life pursuits - then blame that on other people and continue the cycle. Parent involvement in a childs life is the ultimate thing that can set them up for success academically, professionally, and socially. NO matter what color or background, economic situation or living condition.
Also, Asians are pushing these values the most and outperform even whites! Here's my original comment above: Candace, Danielle, Amala, and Tyler were on the money! Success comes down to Parenting/Mindset/Culture (PMC) that places value on education and hard work. Some of the most well funded schools are in the inner city, and still are getting bad results as Candace mentioned. Affirmative action results in mismatch (As several of them mentioned and referenced Dr. Thomas Sowell). It's also unfair to one particular group- Asians. They are very inconvenient to the left, because despite being minorities as well- they tend to succeed because of the same PMC/valuing education factor that I mentioned above. In fact, I went to an elite public high school in NYC, where the only criteria for getting in was performance on an entrance exam taken in 8th grade (similar in nature to the SAT but 8th grade level). The demographics of the school was approximately 60% Asian, 25% white (mostly Jewish), 10% Hispanic (mostly South American), and 5% Black (Mostly African/Carribean). The students at the school, including my friends- we all had one thing in common, strong PMC and valuing education. The best and brightest got in, no matter what race/gender/religion and so on. Btw, our idiot ex mayor Deblasio- tried to get rid of the test because the students at these elite schools "didn't reflect the demographics of the city". Thanks to students, parents, alumni petitions, it didn't happen. When we get to the root cause which is PMC/Valuing education, the problem gets fixed!
This ideology makes me so angry because ultimately it’s teaching kids to FAIL and not teaching them the habits of success that ALL cultures follow. These ideologues who work at schools and colleges will make damn sure their own children work hard and get everything done on time. They are the biggest hypocrites going. I taught my kids to read at home before they even went to school and that is what my mom did for me. I was reading library books before Kindergarten. She was from a working-class background and wanted to make sure I learnt the habits of her own success. It’s upper class people making sure working class people stay in their place and their own kids won’t have any competition. Just total BS.
Candace nails it completely. I'm mixed race but I'm supposed to list Native American and not white. I always pick other and write mixed if I can. Skills and talent should be what gets people in everything.
I agree with you on mixed race as Im half-Irish half Hispanic.I hate those ethnicity questions and wish. There was one that just said American because that's what us mixed race people truly are.We are the epitome of being what an american is.
You don't have to list Native American if you don't want to, but if you don't, you are purposely turning away funding. The more minorities that live in a community, especially Native Americans, the more funding it receives from federal government according to Census data. If you are Native American, are you a member of a federally recognized Tribe? My aunt and uncle are members of the Muckleshoot Tribe. Even though they don't live on the reservation but are members, they receive annual profit subsidies from casino and the Amphitheatre. That might be something you should look into that.
Gentlemen, I watched 3 of your videos, and the most wonderful thing is that the five of you men are opening up to other perspectives and are having intellectual discussions. Would love to see y’all expand this into a community event for young men - where they too can have exposure to other points of view. God bless you my brothers!
As a teacher, I can't stand when teachers get blamed for students performing poorly. This idea that it's the teacher's fault when a student doesn't achieve is often ridiculous. It absolutely is the teacher's responsibility to get to know their students and how they learn best, but at the end of the day, the teacher cannot learn for the students. Putting people in environments too far beyond their ability is setting them up for failure. For example, if you put me in a physics grad class, I would utterly fail. We shouldn't be giving anyone unfair advantages. What I think would be a good idea is for universities to judge applications based solely on grades and admission essays. Applications shouldn't even have names on them, but rather numbers. No mention of race or gender - these are vestiges from a time when the government wanted to know how many white men there were. Just straight admissions with numbers instead of names.
I'm white British. I attended high school in the 2000s. I was a victim of racism from black students on countless occasions. Each time I tried to deal with it through teachers, I was told to let it go because taking it further could possibly result in me being accused of racism myself.
@@joebauers1467 I think dr Phil has peaked but he is a coward for not speaking out, for me a real gay man I have no choice but to speak out against the gender cult nightmare because it's full of real homophobic behaviour against gay/lesbian and we want nothing to do with flags pride ect.
What a fascinating conversation. I’m a teacher, and I’ve loved reading the comments from other teachers. I work at a title 1 (low income) school. What I’ve experienced is if the parent(s) value education, the students perform better. Ive had plenty of single moms who work too much to help their kids at home, so they make sure their kids get help through other resources. Most schools offer tutoring opportunities either in person or virtually. I’m constantly pointing my students to resources they can access at home. At the same time, the number of “trainings” I have to sit through that explicitly tell us to lower expectations for minority students because they simply can’t meet those standards is staggering. The soft bigotry of low expectations is one of the greatest failings of our public school system.
You are absolutely right about parents needing to value education. Why are 1st and 2nd generation Asians absolutely crushing academics in the west? Parents. I'm Asian and let me tell you about my family. I have over 20 cousins. Every family gathering, my parents and aunts and uncles are competing with each other to see who has the most successful child. My parents would tell me, "Look at cousin Andy, he's a doctor now. Look at cousin Sandra, she got accepted to Harvard." Failure and being a nobody is not an option. Bringing honor to the family name is such a big deal. But somehow, Americans seem to look at that kind of competition as unnecessary stress or even abuse. When I was young, of course I hated it. I hated the pressure. I hated the constant comparison to my ultra successful cousins. But now I'm 37, and I'm totally thankful for all the success I have because I was pushed. I was expected to perform.
Yup its definitely a "Black American" thing rather than the race. Whenever I encounter those who came from Africa, they usually have a healthy mindset and never clinging on victimhood
Sometimes I worry about our future based on the negative images in current media. I watch you guys and think "We will be OK, these guys will figure it out." Keep working at it, you guys are great.
@@arickhoops it's nice to think that they will figure it out because we want to have an optimistic view of our children, especially for when we are gone and they are left alone without us. The Bible gives us the hope of the paradise Earth. Psalm 37: 9-11,22,29,34) People just aren't paying attention to the Bible anymore not the actual scriptures. There are indeed religious people, but what do they actually base their current beliefs on. Is it scripture or what their Minister teaches? The Future for All mankind is GOD'S KINGDOM COMING (Matthew 6:10) that is what everyone should be looking for, but very few are.😢
The biggest problem with our education system is the fact that they are required to teach a ton of stuff that really has no consequence. Teachers are "forced" to rush through subjects to meet their performance expectations, meaning they have less time to actually go deep on a subject. Then you have fewer teachers, meaning that there are more students per teacher and even less time to help individual students. It's a HORRIBLE situation. And money is not the sole fix.
I’m not going to lie. As an Asian American, I do question every black student on an elite university campus if they made it there based on merit or on sympathy. I would hate to be in that position where people think I got in because someone felt bad for me.
As a Asian you are viewed the same as white by Collage Administration. They are looking for black first, then NA, then Hispanic but Asian and whites and males are dead last. It’s so they can feel good about themselves, they do not care at all about long term consequences or long term success it’s just admitting not graduating rates.
Keep in mind that many of these failing inner city schools are funded at higher rates than the average to try to combat their failures but it doesn’t work. They can’t make the kids study and school boards are very corrupt today and more concerned with pushing wokism than educating children. Also many of the kids just don’t care about studies and no amount of funding can change that behavior the parents and as you guys said the subculture would have to change for many students to change their outlook on education. Great review guys and I respect your honesty and the intelligent discussions you have on these topics.
@@Peopleofthesun386 well woke used to be enlightened to uncommon knowledge/wisdom. Not being a sleep on certain subjects. Now woke engulfs leftist propaganda under the veil of progressivism, inclusiveness and tolerance. Well tolerant and inclusive when you agree with them😅
MAN! I'll tell yall my highschool experience was a nightmare! I went to a mostly white school for 2 years, then I moved and I went to a black highschool. Talk about day and night! I was bullied and attacked because I was pretty much the only white kid around! The teachers couldn't teach or get a word in. The principal did nothing to stop these kids! That was a horrible time in my life!
My experience with affirmative action: my poor white best friend who worked his ass off in school and got a better grades in harder classes got denied at a prestigious school while the half black, half Mexican girl I dated whose family had more money and got lower grades in lower classes got in. That shit ruined my view of affirmation action. Keep up the good work gentlemen, you are truly helping the world with your inquisitive and level headed approach. 🙏💪
@@dom7119 certain races have lower requirements than whites…I worked in high school guidance offices & there are printed requirements BY RACE for every university.
@@dom7119 If its not based on merit then its based on bullshit. So much for Martin Luther King and his "I had a dream speech" and judging content and not character.
Don't believe everything that you hear. Even if this were true, do you think that it was race and not money? I seems to me that there was a big scandal recently in which rich white parents paid a huge amount of money and went to jail for the bribes they paid to get their entitled kids into college. When I showed up at my university in the 1970's, the few black students who arrived before me said that some of them had to come in for interviews (big afros scared some people). College applications used to require that the applicant submit a photo. That is one way minorities were rejected right away, regardless of grades. Colleges are not just full of "A" students. There are plenty of "B" and "C" students as well. (Just Ask President George W. Bush). Affirmation action is about opportunity. It does not promise that every student is going to do great things. Before affirmative action, my University was all white. When I applied and was accepted, my University could not hold my race against me as they had historically for other Black students, nor did they ask for a picture with my application. I attended a good school and graduated! Don't even get me started with the Legacy students who were allowed in regardless just because they were a Legacy! Furthermore, stop assuming that all the minority students are inferior. If someone attends a school that has over 15,000 students, and the school sets aside 100 slots for minorities, get over it! All students still have to perform. College is an excellent time to meet and get to know people from diverse backgrounds. That is part of what college is all about. What an opportunity to graduate as a more well rounded person!
I am a senior citizen. I am so hopeful for the future after hearing you young gentlemen discuss a topic as heavy as this. Your parents and grand parents should be very proud of you.
I tell ya, these days, if my child wasn't academically inclined, I'd push them towards a good vocational school. There's nothin wrong with working with your hands. Usually a skill that will ALWAYS be in demand.
I love that young men are talking about this. I've been a teacher for 3 decades. I meet my students where they're at academically and take them as far as I possibly can with the short time I have them. And when parents help me teach that education is crucial, there are no limits!
These young men would benefit looking into Dr. Ben Carsons childhood story and what his mom did for him concerning his education. It is an amazing story and she is an outstanding wise women worthy of honor. If everyone had a mother like Ben Carson the world would be a better place.
What "they" have done to Ben Carson is truly appalling! They even removed his name from a high school!!!! Why!? It's so disheartening it makes me want to cry.
You're complaining about the result of a white supremacist idea, that being the "one drop rule".. You're then siding with Owens, someone who repeats white supremacist nonsense.. wtf are you doing?
I am part Mexican and part white. I worked for the state of Michigan and a year or so after I started my job they were layoffs, because I was low seniority I was laid off. The thing was, my office desperately needed a Spanish-speaking worker because we had a large population of Spanish speaking clients. By the way I worked for the department of social services. My office tried desperately to get me back explaining the need for a Spanish-speaking case worker. The state denied my call back until… One supervisor suggested they try affirmative action because my mother is Mexican. Well guess what, they called me back. It didn’t matter how great the need was there was no way they were going to recall some white girl but thankfully I’m part Mexican and I return to my job. Fortunately, I was a great worker. My Mexican side of the family, my grandparents, aunts, uncles and my mother who were all former migrant workers taught me that I must work hard and go above and beyond what was asked of me and to always do my best in order to get ahead. Yes those traits were pushed upon me by my Mexican family not my white. But I do wanna say my father was a great example also as he had two jobs, five children, and went to school to become a State police officer. So I guess I had the best of both worlds.
I see this example playing out in my own family. I have 2 siblings- they both have 3 kids each, all of similar age. One sibling is single mom, and she doesn’t seem to put any emphasis on whether or not the kids do well in school. She’s the type that blames the teacher. Not surprisingly, her kids aren’t that intelligent and probably won’t end up all that successful even though they were born healthy with good aptitude. Her kids have no desire to learn, it’s sad. The other sibling is married and involved daily in her children’s lives. She emphasizes education and extra leaning activities (sports, dance, etc). She emphasizes family time. Her kids are ALL in gifted programs. It’s all about culture and family environment.
I love to sit there and watch you guys work out the world problems, in a mature, awesome form !!!! It gives me hope for the next generation of all young men. Keep up the good work.
You young men are wiser than most people at your age. To be young and still be able to comprehend that you actually don't know it all, is a sign of that wisdom. I applaud your curiosity and willingness to speak on tough topics in this day and age.
I’m a teacher in China. It’s 100% about how much effort the parents are wanting to put in. I am not the end all when it comes to teaching a child. “It takes a village to raise a child.” The parents who cooperate with us I will bend over backwards to help their kids, working extra hours off the clock answering questions offering extra materials ONLY of if it’s not me throwing away my time. I will try to help every child, but those parents who want to work together to teach the child I will absolutely go above and beyond for. I WANT your children to succeed, but I’m only part of the process.
With regard to haveing a teacher who you can "relate" to because they also came from an "underpriveleged" background, i call BS. When I was a kid, I NEVERRRR thought about whether or not my teacher was also poor, or came from my neighborhood. I just wanted THE BEST teacher who could help me understand the subject (math). I Thank GOD for Mrs Jacobs (white teacher), and I never knew anything much about her background other than she was from Hawaii.
There are not enough words to let you know how much I appreciate what you guys are doing. I've been called all kinds of names (uncle tom, coon, ect ect) for sharing some of the ideas you guys openly talk about on this channel, guys like you will help us get the change we NEED. As for as the education debate, I would say family is what determines if a child will care about education or not. If the parents at home dont care the child wont learn. Keep seeking truth fellas !
I've been watching this channel for awhile now and I have to say that this is my favorite video. I don't know if you all have ever considered it, but you should be doing podcast's on these heavier topics. I could feel the passion you all have in hashing it out amongst yourselves and trying to iron out what each one of you see's as a wrinkle in the problems we face as a nation and world. The best debates are when it's real, raw, and off the cuff. I can't tell you how much I would love listening to all of you discuss things longform. Keep your heads up and thank you for the great content.
You could tell the professor was not there in good faith because he was too eager to say “So you think blacks are inferior at…” He deserved to be cut off right there.
I'm 99.9% positive these gentlemen are considerably younger than me and I love watching them discuss/chop it up over various topics. I hope you fellas continue these conversations with others in your social circles as I believe that is how real change happens.👍
Appreciate that you guys are having an open conversation on the subject. Thought I’d share my opinion based on my experiences. I’m 37 years old, I’m bi-racial and was raised in a single-parent household by choice at the time and we were low income. We got by with help from family, friends, and my mother’s work ethic. My mother was a hair stylist, worked ridiculous hours and but she also wasn’t great with money. I barely graduated from high school, and it was mostly because of lack of direction, lack of interest and prioritizing. It didn’t affect me until I noticed experiences I was missing out on. College wasn’t it for me because I didn’t see the value in building day to day, instead living day to day. I was smart enough to surround myself with great friends and people I wanted to be like as a young adult. I’m a hard worker, learn from every experience I have, I’m respected and looked at as a very wise man for my age and an intellectual by the people I have dealings with. The skills that have taken me the furthest in life are my contrast thinking and my ability to communicate and understand people. I was very good at my last career of 12 years and have just started a new one due to what the ceiling looked along with what I wanted the second half of my life to look like. In hindsight, I can say that it wasn’t anything that the system wasn’t giving me. It was that I didn’t know any better because of prioritizing, I didn’t have the structure and I didn’t have anyone there to express how fun and gratifying SUCCESS is versus how fun having fun is. Keep up the good work fellas.
Omggggg...😮😮 I was a Civics student teacher at a DC school (98% black) and the guy on the far right is correct! Their policy was "butt in the seat = A grade". It honestly felt so immoral to me and I'll regret for the rest of my life that I didn't raise hell about it. This black school was pumping out "straight A" students but almost none of them earned the A's. Many of these "straight A" kids were failing every test and did zero homework, but they got A's because they had good attendance. It was the policy. Most of the straight A kids who got accepted to average state colleges ended up failing college in the first year. That's another secret that the education sector doesn't want you to know: the majority of college dropouts are black/ Hispanic. I ended up switching majors to Poli Sci because I HATED my student teaching experience because I got abused so much by the parents. Example: I would confiscate a kid's phone for 40 minutes (gave it back at the end of class) bc they kept blasting music or scrolling Instagram, kid would call me a "stupid ass white b*tch", then mom comes in and cusses me out about "just teach and don't be trying to discipline my damn kids". Then the black principal would grovel at the parents' feet because the principal was so scared of mom taking the kid to a different school since he'll lose $12k in his budget for every kid that leaves. Education is so corrupt at these inner city schools.
I personally know of two men, cousins, who grew up together in a poor, urban district. I've heard them talk about their experiences from when they were kids in school. Just getting to & from it unaccosted was a challenge (this would have been during the late 80s thru the 90s). They both said that it was their families who _insisted_ that they take education seriously; making it a top priority in their homes, that they believe made the biggest difference for them. Not learning, not performing well, was _not_ an option. Although one of them passed away during lockdown (from a pre-existing, chronic health issue --R.I.P.), both had become successful young men, husbands, & supportive fathers. It's the mindset. Their families, no matter their economic struggles, provided good homes that supported the expectations that they had of their children.
I honestly appreciate your dialogue after the video more than just the reaction of the video. I am so glad to hear all of your opinions. This to me gets more to the point of the issues than 99% of the media out there
I was helping another team at work do interviews once. There's one woman that came in and knocked the whole thing out the park. No one compared to her and we were all in agreement that she was the one for the job. One lady had the nerve to say "and she looks like the community we are in (black)". And I said "and she is the most qualified and competent for what we need her to do". She could have been any race to me and I still would have scored her the highest. There was another ethnic woman who had a disability and was pissed she didn't get the job, and thought her disability and race trumped the other woman's race. It really is the victim Olympics out here. She scored lowest on the competency questions. Literally couldn't give any examples and just said "well you know" for answers.
@@randaledwardgibbons-mf5ii race is just the amount of melanin you produce. What has that got to do with a person getting a job. I've worked with companies where the minorities are over represented. Race representation doesn't factor in personal choices, nor does it account for the fact that most people don't live where they work. Which level of population should be represented, district level, county level, City level, state level, country level. And how bizarre would it be if you post a job ad and no one of that race applies no matter where you post and advertise it. Capitalism doesn't work that way, and most these other races have fled to the west to get in on some of that capitalistic action.
I remember watching these dudes just react to music videos and you could tell they were a bunch of intelligent young men. Glad to see there content evolving.
Race hustling, the left is amazing at it, 3 years ago I would have fallen for it, but after listening to Elder, Sowell, Owens, And Jesse and Jordan Peterson I've opened my eyes and also way better off for it, not only in my personal life but my professional life as well.
Where is the incentive to do better... if you can progress no matter how you behave? The public education system is failing American youths. It's a shame all these kids out here that won't reach their potential. I think the fault resides in the administrators hands. That and politicians
Thank you for having these conversations. You give me hope for this country and our futures collectively. Please continue!!❤ I was a single mother of four sons. I worked my way through graduate school and led by example. My children were always taught the value of hard work, education, and values by me. I had no family help and refused to live in the system as a lifestyle. We struggled so hard even with basics. Yes, it was exhausting but necessary as a labor of love and responsibility to my children. It boiled down to values and work ethic. MOST definitely, a two parent household setting the example and standard are what all children need and deserve. I wore both hats but the scars for everyone are there. It’s the truth. P.S. I’m a huge Candice fan!! I absolutely adore this woman!!💯
Great conversation. ❤ I recall Ben Carson’s story about being raised by his mother. She allowed very little TV. Made them read and do book reports. Weekly. He found out later she could not read. Many sad situations. Of many colors.
I think you got Dr. Ben Carson's story confused with somebody else's. He was raised by his divorced mother. Who sometimes had to work two and even three jobs to support him and his brother. His mother *did* quit school in the third grade, though. You're right though about how Ben and his brother always had to read books and, yes, was allowed very little television.😊
@@moon83star30 Exactly. He was created from both sides of his family tree. All 4 of grandparent's ancestry matters. It made him. A person uniquely created because of his own family tree. Every person is. I don't like hearing people like that professor deny who he is. He is from ALL 4 of his grandparents.
I know y’all gave the guy on the right a hard time about saying predominantly black schools are easier but as a person that attended both I can also confirm what he is saying is something I experienced as well. I went to a predominantly white school for K-8 and I got average grades… I moved to a predominantly black school for high school they put me in Talented and Gifted classes and I basically skated through high school without really learning anything or trying.. passing was effortless and we had these required tests we had to take in order graduate Functional math, reading, writing, and citizenship tests. I did not need to prepare for any of these tests to pass them and by the 11th grade I had all my credits to graduate.
That's interesting. My children had the opposite experience. This is, of course in the suburbs. But, we we from a predominantly black school to a more mixed school, and the kids at the new school were so behind. I feel like I cheated my kids to degree.
@@bayyinahzhaxx7620 my K-8 schools were in a rural area (maybe there was 5 total black people in the entire elementary and middle school) later I was told the grading was much more strict. Moved to the suburbs close to the city (only a handful of white people in the school a little more than 5 maybe but still very much the minority …so opposite from younger years)…. I think my high school (near the city) was a 10 point grading scale 100-90 was an A…. But a 90 in my old school was a B… so perhaps that adds to the mystery some.🤷🏾♀️
@Carrie Carrie Perhaps, but either way, my kids old school was ahead of the current school district. The new school district was starting topics my children had already covered. 😳 I believe the majority of these kids failing stems back to the family surroundings. When my kid was struggling in school and I couldn't get them through it, they went to tutoring. Sometimes, it helped, and sometimes not enough, but we tried. My kids ended up being honor roll students. They aren't perfect and have misses, but that's life. You don't give up!
It is refreshing to see things from a different perspective. Listening to all of you has been eye opening and gives me hope for our children. We are never to old to learn. Speaking out as well as listening to one another will resolve many issues we face today. You are doing a great job , thank you. We have been programed to think and pass judgement . Now we can see more clearly and form our own opinions based on facts rather than assuming half truths and lies we have been falsely taught throughout our lives.
Tackling this issue might be the single most important problem of our day in regards to social issues. Thank you guys for discussing it so zealously. You clearly all have a lot of emotions on it. Thanks for sharing.
I just want to say that I love and appreciate what you guys are doing. You dont realize how important it is for you to continue to help all of us unite and to rid us of division.
1st off - I've been watching you guys a bunch lately. so refreshing. even when you disagree you keep a civil discourse and that's so important. Don't always have to agree, but it's always good to listen to other opinions. most "open minded" people are the most closed off. so good on you guys and keep it up. 2. I am so sad for the American school system that in 2023 they're still speaking in terms of "black school/white school". If there's racism in America, that's where it is. I actually think it's half systematic racism (Old racist white guys making decisions) and half black leadership, that lays blame and looks for enemies, instead of working together. 3. My conclusion from these videos - any politician that doesn't speak about the education system and their remedies for it, should NEVER get your vote. especially in black neighborhoods, communities and areas. The name of the video mentions Candace but I hope people pay attention to Amala Ekpunobi (The young woman with dreads). She is super smart, used to be very "liberal", now-she's a little too right IMHO, but if you're a critical thinker, she's amazing to listen to
Every generation was able to learn on a whiteboard without technology before us. All my college classes had no laptops or computers except for the papers I had to submit. You either want to be there to learn or not.
I just want to say that I am Armenian (caucasian skin) and had a 2 parent household, but my parents were immigrants. My mom could not help me with my school work because of the language barrier which would take longer to even explain what I am trying to ask her, and my dad who could help me did not come home from work until 9-10 PM. I had to make myself care and teach myself if I didn't understand. I had to go to the library because my school library was small. This was also a time when Google, etc. wasn't a thing. As much as we want to blame other factors, we have to blame ourselves as students, especially today. Everyone has an iPhone, and you can research any topic. There are no excuses today let's be honest.
Growing up in Memphis TN (predominantly black) as a white kid was rough. I hated every second of it but I wouldn't change a thing. It gave me perspective on things a lot of others don't see. It's not funding, it's parenting. I always hated a bunch of kids not realizing it's being taught every day to them when they're at home. Brothers in a gang, selling drugs, moms on drugs, may not have a father, etc. Kids only know what they know! I would make sure to use the bathroom every day before the bus so that I didn't get caught in the 7am bathroom fights
I think you guys made a good point. A student no matter their skin color will achieve success in school if they care and if their family and friends encourage them on the right path and also lead my example.
I respect this. This is what everybody needs to do is sit down and hear both sides and have your own opinion. Not what the government tells you. Good job guys.
You guys are great! Everyone should discuss and think on their own and make their own decisions instead of picking a side just because! Keep on keeping it real! Love watching you all!! Much respect to you fella's!!!!
I definitely did NOT have a good rapport with my trigonometry teacher but he was a damn good teacher. He didn’t have to feed my narcissistic immaturity for me to respect his ability to guide me forward.
At a certain point, education is what you make of it. My 16 year old daughter and 17 year old son are raised in the same home, with the same parents, with the same expectations, and they go to the same school. My daughter gets good grades, does sports and is motivated. My son complains constantly how much he hates school, is barely passing and is only interested in video games. The educational system isn’t failing my son and neither are we. It boils down to what you want and what you’re willing to work for. No amount of extra services or special treatment is going to change that.
@@ronswansonsdog2833 Bottom line though is some people just don't do well at academics. Doesn't mean they can't be wildly successful at something else. Look at Joe Rogan. He sucked at school and he's a multi talented multi millionaire now.
Schools ARE failing boys because they are completely indifferent to them. I can't even guess how many times I've heard people say exactly that. My brother was the same, just as smart as my sister and I but entirely uninterested unless he was directly competing with us. Girls work for praise. Boys work to win. The failure of schools to understand this or even CARE to understand this is why we are working on a second generation of failing boys. It breaks my heart.
I hated school also, barely passed. I got into the trades in my 20's....Fiber optics. Did field work for 20 years, and now I am an OSP engineer without a college degree. My point is school is not for everyone, plus the debt that comes with it these days. Get him interested in the trades, Grandpa told me...learn a trade, they can never take it away from you.
I am a white old lady and stumbling upon this video made my day. Love the fact that you are thoughtfully listening to both sides. The four of you will make it just fine in life.
I don’t typically comment on these videos I just like to watch them and get educated with you guys and also get a glimpse into a younger crowd and how y’all feel on certain topics I’m sad to see you guys fighting at the end of the video. I can see why you’re passionate because it’s our community and we feel the need to protect it ! Hope y’all were able to move on from this and still get along past the video. Just know that I think regardless what side of the aisle you’re on Republican Democrat, conservative libertarian or liberal everyone feels as passionate as you do on this topic we might not all have the same plan of action, but the goal is the same which is to see children grow up happy healthy and successful. When we talk about these topics, it’s very easy to say white and black, but I went to an all black school when I was a child that was in a wealthier community and they had an abundance of resources, and valued education. I also have gone to an all white school and in a more poor neighborhood with no resources and most of the population of kids were on some type of substance abuse, and had mental health issues and behavioral issues and family issues. When these topics are spoken about, it’s like people forget that white people can be poor too and I think a lot of these problems we see really do come down to income instead of racial disparities. It’s easy to say that Black people don’t care about education and white people care about education but there are many factors that go into why kids don’t care about education, and I don’t think any of them relate to race. I think race just happens to be a stat, rather it being the factor. The main factors for lack of education would be income, fatherless homes, drug abuse, physical and emotional abuse, poverty, culture (ie: kids believing that they can be in the 2% of all people to make it to pro sports and therefore not focusing on academics- not just black kids do this ) but mainly poor or unnecessary regulations on schools and not allowing for school choice. Side note: Also white people are not as well of as most people think. Plenty of white people are poor, don’t care about education and fail at life. The issue is you only see the success because as stated by Candice if you walk into a room, you are going to see more white people in the room than anyone else. So all people see is successful well off white people and take it from someone who has experienced both walks, the only white kid in an all black school and also lived on the streets as a child, in a predominantly, poor white neighborhood/ city it is just not true that all white people have it made or don’t have school and life problems.
I think if colleges changed it from race preference to income….then it would be more fair. However, I still think the standards should be maintained. Telling Asian students you have to get like 100% and AA students you only have to get 60% to get admitted….also isn’t fair. And as Candace pointed out…..you are then in classes with kids who are used to scoring 100s….the AA kids then go on academic probation. Who is this helping if the AA wind up dropping out?
@@anneb889 Yep, check out my original comment: Candace, Danielle, Amala, and Tyler were on the money! Success comes down to Parenting/Mindset/Culture (PMC) that places value on education and hard work. Some of the most well funded schools are in the inner city, and still are getting bad results as Candace mentioned. Affirmative action results in mismatch (As several of them mentioned and referenced Dr. Thomas Sowell). It's also unfair to one particular group- Asians. They are very inconvenient to the left, because despite being minorities as well- they tend to succeed because of the same PMC/valuing education factor that I mentioned above. In fact, I went to an elite public high school in NYC, where the only criteria for getting in was performance on an entrance exam taken in 8th grade (similar in nature to the SAT but 8th grade level). The demographics of the school was approximately 60% Asian, 25% white (mostly Jewish), 10% Hispanic (mostly South American), and 5% Black (Mostly African/Carribean). The students at the school, including my friends- we all had one thing in common, strong PMC and valuing education. The best and brightest got in, no matter what race/gender/religion and so on. Btw, our idiot ex mayor Deblasio- tried to get rid of the test because the students at these elite schools "didn't reflect the demographics of the city". Thanks to students, parents, alumni petitions, it didn't happen. When we get to the root cause which is PMC/Valuing education, the problem gets fixed!
@@bryant475 Yes, I keep hearing stories of doing away with honors classes, or enrichment (gifted…etc) programs, not even giving grades. What will the future workforce be? Maybe the plan is AI will be the brains? I want the best students challenged and pushed…..those will likely be the innovators and problem solvers of the future. I could tell the guy in the middle seemed upset when the guy on the right said how easy the black school was…showing up gives you and A. And this is why a standardized test is important. Straight As in a school like his, compared to a rigorous program you attended….is vastly different. I went to a state school. Was always an A/B student in high school, but there were a lot of Jewish kids…and they really value education, was ranked as a top 10 district in the state. In college I had a friend struggling with a pretty basic psych class…..and she proceeds to tell me she had a 4.6 in high school. So I ask, having above a 4.0 must mean you were taking honors classes…and she stated she was. And while she was sweet, not the brightest bulb…. And I recall thinking, the kids with 4.6s at my high school are mostly at Ivy League schools, not a state school. I’m all for helping out someone who economically cannot afford college…..regardless of race…should be income based, and academic based. Oprah said for years the pathway out of poverty ……education. And college isn’t for everyone….bring back vo tech, trades, etc. But since I saw that video where a kid from Baltimore with like 200 absences in high school who had a .13 gpa…and still was ranked like 50% for his class….I don’t have much hope. Here is my question…..most inner city/predominantly black school districts have been run by mostly black administrators for decades….mostly black teachers, the government….mayors, superintendents, police chiefs, etc, etc….are usually mostly black people. So what is that professor saying….POC do better with POC teaching, in charge, etc….where is the evidence of that? Then every inner city would be running great.
@@anneb889 Agreed, very well said! We can't sacrifice truth and merit for woke ideology! You're right about AI technology, and also the dumbing down of society and teaching children about race/gender and other woke issues rather than the important material. It's part of the deeper agenda to make our nation weak, divided and easily controlled/manipulated. I'm glad I graduated right before all this nonsense started, and my schools focused on what mattered. Also, blessed to have a parents and family in general that instilled these values of hard work and education early on. Another important aspect- Godly/biblical morals are the most important which teaches many things but in regards to this issue- that character matters, not skin color, that hard work is commendable, and so on. Society wants us to focus on the superficial and not the spiritual. They want us to establish identity with race/gender, etc., and not on God. Again, deeper forces at work here. Ephesians 6:10-18 outlines it quite well! In the last few years, society has been quite hectic to say the least but rest assured, God has a plan for all of us. We just need to trust in Him :) I highly recommend checking out my God play list to learn more about God/Jesus/Bible, and my health one to learn more about optimizing health! God bless you :)
Just found you guys. Love hearing your conversation and respect for each other. And definitely your consideration of what you're watching. Thanks for posting.
I am a widow with two children, white. My friend black divorced with kids the same age. My friend found dozens of grants for her kids to go to college. When I looked for any grants or financial help for my kids there was (0). I not mad it turned out colleges brain washed her kids from the christen way we both tough and raised our kids together. I’m happy to see you guys educating yourself s.
Thank you gentlemen for looking at the what is going on in the country, having the hard discussions, and not just listening to mainstream media. Keep up the good work!
Candace makes sense. As a Samoan who grew up in the Bay Area, my educational foundation was established largely by a faculty of pre-dominately white teachers in elementary. When I turned 11 I moved to American Samoa and was far ahead educationally than almost all my peers there. I never felt I needed to be taught by Samoan teachers to excel educationally and my work often showed.
