Candid Chat About The Dev Market With a Coding Bootcamp CEO (Rithm School) 

Thanks Michael!

Seriously, some of them cost 10s of thousands

Some do....CS degree takes far longer to complete and will still generally cost more, but it's FAR more worth it because it can actually help you break into all kinds of industries and positions. Bootcamps are hyper intense programs with a short duration, so they fast track you into very niche technology roles. If you fail to break in after completing a bootcamp you'll have less credentials and trust in general versus having many sorts of degrees (not limited to CE/CS). Without degree you really gotta impress employers with passion and projects though.

@@TheSoulCrisis CS degrees get alot of flak by RU-vidrs and I'll never understand why, you learn more, you get connections, and you are primed better to learn any technology because you know how everything works underneath the hood. A Bootcamp is literally hyping up the first year of CS and a summer class in web dev.

if you're not doing it strictly for financial reason, id say give it your 150%. But if you are pressed on money or you can't go at anywhere from 6 months to a year without earning a paycheck, dont pull the trigger yet and learn on your own until you are a little bit more financially set to attend a bootcamp.

Thanks so much for the reply. So yes me and the wife have sat down made a financial plan and I’ve narrowed it down I think to between app academy and springboard i know they aren’t the complete journey but I feel like they are a good place to start. Thanks again for the reply!

@@ygg2254 have you been doing self studying?

Springboard and Rithm both use the same curriculum, I believe. They have some sort of partnership.

@@NBP722if I’m being honest this is a partial joke from someone else at springboard. The Rithm FAQs even suggest using Springboard as a parttime version.

Hey there! We had a partnership with them a long time ago to license our curriculum, but we haven't worked with them in years.

@@ElieSchoppik that explains why their curriculum is 3-4 years outdated, I just graduated from SB.

Primegen spoke on this issue too, I agree with his analysis and suggestion on the matter. He thinks something like a 2 year practical software engineering trade school program would be perfect and I too thought about this before where you have far more time to apply knowledge with some theory to solving real-world problems and diving into bigger codebases and building features, then debugging in real time, CI/CD, version control, etc. Bootcamps lack of real time investment and narrow technology pathways are the glaring weaknesses among others, the intensity you're put through means it's quite hard to retain deep knowledge in what you're usually given. If you want to become an electrician, you can go to a 2 - 3 year trade school for it and get required licenses by the state you're operating in or get a degree in electrical engineering and do the same (and do things beyond the understanding and capability of electrical engineers who mostly know the practical side with less internal understanding). Yet bootcamps exist where you can become a "software engineer" that pays more than typical electrical engineering roles in 1/8th the time it would take to get a CE/CS degree or 1/4th the time it would take to complete a traditional trade program (that's considering it runs for 6 months, don't get me started on 3 months programs). Just given such a disparity in time and effort applied to mastering one's craft and forming a solid body of knowledge would make employers question how prepared can people be flocking from these programs.

Why do you think so?