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Candid Chat About The Dev Market With a Coding Bootcamp CEO (Rithm School) 

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I brought on the CEO of Rithm School to have a candid conversation about the entry-level dev market; the coding bootcamp industry; and how Rithm School has adapted to it. To be honest, the transparency was refreshing.
Elie Schoppik (guest) - CEO of Rithm School
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14 июн 2024

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Комментарии : 24   
@Zynkah
@Zynkah Месяц назад
It’s so nice to hear a CEO be honest about the job market.
@ElieSchoppik
@ElieSchoppik Месяц назад
Thanks Don for having me on! I appreciate the work you do to bring transparency and honesty to our industry.
@michael.novati
@michael.novati Месяц назад
This is an excellent interview! Thanks for being so transparent Elie!
@ElieSchoppik
@ElieSchoppik Месяц назад
Thanks Michael!
@DanEMO592
@DanEMO592 Месяц назад
I interviewed with Elie when I was considering Rithm School as my bootcamp
@micpowers1136
@micpowers1136 Месяц назад
Bootcamps cost more than a damn degree and companies are not choosing bootcamp graduates over a bachelors degree.Bootcamps are a waste of time and money.People say that about college but they are lying.
@skinnytimmy1
@skinnytimmy1 Месяц назад
Seriously, some of them cost 10s of thousands
@TheSoulCrisis
@TheSoulCrisis Месяц назад
Some do....CS degree takes far longer to complete and will still generally cost more, but it's FAR more worth it because it can actually help you break into all kinds of industries and positions. Bootcamps are hyper intense programs with a short duration, so they fast track you into very niche technology roles. If you fail to break in after completing a bootcamp you'll have less credentials and trust in general versus having many sorts of degrees (not limited to CE/CS). Without degree you really gotta impress employers with passion and projects though.
@NobleAbsinthe
@NobleAbsinthe Месяц назад
@@TheSoulCrisis CS degrees get alot of flak by RU-vidrs and I'll never understand why, you learn more, you get connections, and you are primed better to learn any technology because you know how everything works underneath the hood. A Bootcamp is literally hyping up the first year of CS and a summer class in web dev.
@NeonGenesisRevelations
@NeonGenesisRevelations Месяц назад
This was super informative, thank you.
@ygg2254
@ygg2254 Месяц назад
Just Beginning my journey as a 48 yr old Father of 3 Grown Adults. I've always wanted to learn and never found the time and always thought there was no way i could succeed without a bachelor's degree, Even though i've been in love with computers and software in general since the Commodore 64, Just never had the financial stability to own a computer of my own until i was 28 yrs old. I was just curious on someone else's take on if this is a fool hardy undertaking for someone my age? Are these companies looking for the younger ( Fresh ) candidate's that have a more Tech and Schooling background than someone like me? I will say im gonna do it regardless because i'm finally in a position in my life where i can devote 110% of my time and effort to learning and i plan on doing about 150 hours of the free stuff before i choose to do a bootcamp.
@jjescandor191
@jjescandor191 Месяц назад
if you're not doing it strictly for financial reason, id say give it your 150%. But if you are pressed on money or you can't go at anywhere from 6 months to a year without earning a paycheck, dont pull the trigger yet and learn on your own until you are a little bit more financially set to attend a bootcamp.
@ygg2254
@ygg2254 Месяц назад
Thanks so much for the reply. So yes me and the wife have sat down made a financial plan and I’ve narrowed it down I think to between app academy and springboard i know they aren’t the complete journey but I feel like they are a good place to start. Thanks again for the reply!
@jjescandor191
@jjescandor191 Месяц назад
@@ygg2254 have you been doing self studying?
@williamturner6045
@williamturner6045 29 дней назад
There is no such thing as private education that is "Ethical". The attrition rate is not an "exception", it's a first class feature of the business model.
@3ichael7ambert
@3ichael7ambert Месяц назад
Hey, Elie, do you know Springboard has taken a ton of your content?
@NBP722
@NBP722 Месяц назад
Springboard and Rithm both use the same curriculum, I believe. They have some sort of partnership.
@3ichael7ambert
@3ichael7ambert Месяц назад
@@NBP722if I’m being honest this is a partial joke from someone else at springboard. The Rithm FAQs even suggest using Springboard as a parttime version.
@ElieSchoppik
@ElieSchoppik Месяц назад
Hey there! We had a partnership with them a long time ago to license our curriculum, but we haven't worked with them in years.
@3ichael7ambert
@3ichael7ambert Месяц назад
@@ElieSchoppik that explains why their curriculum is 3-4 years outdated, I just graduated from SB.
@potatopower2144
@potatopower2144 Месяц назад
I just don't see how it's feasible to teach this much information in such a short amount of time. Your mind needs to to let this information cook
@TheSoulCrisis
@TheSoulCrisis Месяц назад
Primegen spoke on this issue too, I agree with his analysis and suggestion on the matter. He thinks something like a 2 year practical software engineering trade school program would be perfect and I too thought about this before where you have far more time to apply knowledge with some theory to solving real-world problems and diving into bigger codebases and building features, then debugging in real time, CI/CD, version control, etc. Bootcamps lack of real time investment and narrow technology pathways are the glaring weaknesses among others, the intensity you're put through means it's quite hard to retain deep knowledge in what you're usually given. If you want to become an electrician, you can go to a 2 - 3 year trade school for it and get required licenses by the state you're operating in or get a degree in electrical engineering and do the same (and do things beyond the understanding and capability of electrical engineers who mostly know the practical side with less internal understanding). Yet bootcamps exist where you can become a "software engineer" that pays more than typical electrical engineering roles in 1/8th the time it would take to get a CE/CS degree or 1/4th the time it would take to complete a traditional trade program (that's considering it runs for 6 months, don't get me started on 3 months programs). Just given such a disparity in time and effort applied to mastering one's craft and forming a solid body of knowledge would make employers question how prepared can people be flocking from these programs.
@SnafuWorld
@SnafuWorld Месяц назад
I am so against typescript. Maybe if it got updated I would advocate for it but otherwise I think its a waste of a lot of time for any app.
@archockencanto1645
@archockencanto1645 Месяц назад
Why do you think so?
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