Gordon, you absolutely crushed it. This is the most comprehensive R5 video on RU-vid. Love that you keep coming back with updates as new firmware versions are released. Keep up the great work 👍
I am a diehard Sony user and just keep a little perspective remember this is Canon's second go around in the mirrorless FF market, compare that to Sony's 2nd attempt the A7ii. This R5 is one of the best all around cameras on the market, period. It really wasn't until the 3rd generation that Sony worked out most of its issues, and now in its 4th gen they have hit their stride, criticism is fair but there are many people producing beautiful images with the R5, so remember why we do this✌
I totally agree on this one yeah it is second generation/1st generation because personally I think R designed as a test model but also as a R8 when people complain about overheating they forget about Sony is overheating problem they had in the past I bet Canon learn their lesson this time and the next cameras they come out will not have this problem. There’s multiple departments that are handling this camera when it’s been designed too. At least with software updates and Working with ninja recorders improving the camera.
It's not Canons first or second try at anything. They know how to build a camera and when they know the benchmark it's up to Canon to release or not release a model depending on how good they are compared with the competition. Let's be honest. The R could have been desingned as a better camera when first released but that was probably some years ahead. Thinking about the leak to other camera manufacturers the needed to enter the marked with a mirrorless- fast, and the R is were they where at the moment of release. The lack of dual cards is not accidental, neither the time limit on video. This is so thoroughly planned but the customer seems to excuse the company for their "first try". Canon is not a bullied kid that needs protection or to be excused for it's flaws when the flaws are carefully planned not to be to competetive towards own Canon models.
@@dyrogfugleliv6278 it is their 2nd gen FF mirrorless.... I don't know why you trying to trash Canon.... When there is also Nikon and Panasonic who have experience on mirrorless but still pull a FF that aren't competitive as Sony. Yet very few people bash them.
@@zegzbrutal It's probably because Canon sticks their head out more and for years had a leading role as a camera manufaturer. Nikon is struggling keeping up with the two in front with their autofocus - true, but they are not sticking their head out either. Not trying to trash Canon and don't know why your need to defend a company that so deliberatly and calculated know what they are doing. Canon is aided by people that defend them no mather what they do or don't. That does not benefit the customer in the long run.
This is probably the only and most detailed review of the Canon R5 you'll find on RU-vid. I have been skeptical of upgrading to R5 ever since it launched, and after watching this video, I still don't regret my decision to wait until Canon fixes the only, but at the same time, most decisive issue (for me at least), since this ain't a cheap Camera. Thanks Gordon.
Main issue I have is the lack of dynamic range compared to the competitors (not covered at all really in this video). Seen several tests of CL3 and it doesn't really add anything here and competitors have comfortably over a stop more DR.
@@smaakjeks Hi mate. No it's over double the DR, not 10%. Each stop of DR is a doubling of values and it's closer to 2 stops less (4 times less) than some other cameras. It's a huge difference.
@@FantabMedia One stop translates to one doubling of light. However, it's not a logarithmic scale such that from 10 to 11 stops you double the information. I know I can't tell the difference between an 11 stop and a 14 stop camera in an average picture. Try a double-blind test and see if you can. Or do the same with video, since that's what we're talking about. In a side-by-side, maybe you can tell the difference, but I'm talking assorted scenes.
I love my R5! Never had overheating problems, and I mainly shoot photos, 4k HQ and 120p. Who in their right mind shoots 30min of 120 footage? Got luck editing that 😅 C-log 3 is great, and I don't mind creating proxys, I'll buy a new laptop later.
I've been watching videos about the R5 for days, comparing it with the Sony A7siii ... and none have been as complete and objective as this one. It surprises me that I don't have any more "likes", it has everything I needed to hear, not only the good and much less only the bad and the emphasis on overheating that seems to be the only characteristic of this camera that I think has more good things how bad. The problem of overheating, for me that I live in the Caribbean could be a problem because heat is a problem all the time, but I think I can manage it if I can get my hands on an R5. Lots of work and knowledge put into a single youtube video, thank you very much for your time. Greetings from Cuba.
As a wildlife 'tog, who only needs to do video work occasionally, without the burden of clients to please, I find the highly competent 4k crop mode (downsampled from 5.1k) wonderful. It looks nearly as good as 4kHQ and offers zero overheating. Sadly, the few reviewers who even bother to test it only give it a couple of seconds of screen time. I do wish someone would bang on that mode a little harder. For the money, the r5 is simply perfect for me.
@@k.o.t.o.n. the R5C has a means to seperately record a sound file during 4k 120 - I show you in my review of it, but the neater solution remains Sony. And my XH2S doesn't record sound with 4k 120.
Thanks Gordon. Great video. Lots of work put into that vid, very much appreciated! I went ahead and purchased the R5 after long research time. It suits me perfectly. I either shoot short duration macro video (the 8K raw is absolutely killer for that), or stills for weddings and such. For me it's an absolutely game changer. Thanks for your fantastic video information along the way, as it really helped in making my final decision.
Incredibly informative video! Thank you for having posted this. I have recently started filming birds and other wildlife for youtube with the Canon R5, and all of the details from this video are helpful in determining the best settings.
11:16 I grab still images from video all the time because of the R5. So glad you mentioned this feature in your video, I feel like no one is talking about it.
Great review of the R5 for video Gordon, although I do wish you had spent a bit more time exploring the crop (but still oversampled) crop modes and comparing them to the standard 4K and 4K HQ modes. Maybe the crop is too restrictive for most, but from what I have heard, the cropped 4K mode looks superior to the standard (uncropped) 4K and doesn't suffer the same overheating restrictions that the uncropped 4K HQ does.
I love the R5, if I was a professional videographer I would just get a cinema camera! As far as hybrid camera, for $3900, it’s a great camera! This was a great review though
Wow, what a detailed and comprehensive review, and also excellent videography - thank you. You should create more how-to videos because most people are miles behind you in technical ability.
My son went to go study there for one Summer; every time i see your images of the Brighton Palace Pier... brings a smile on top of your wonderful reviews.
The Alpha 1 4:2:0 set me back at the additional price because it does limit some FX in video. The limitation is the card Sony has chosen which cannot support the higher bitrates. Canon’s choice is curious in design in overheating prevention, but we’ll see which cameras hold up over time. I suspect keeping price lower on R5 and 8K with higher quality required compromises. In video field production we have equipped FX-6 crews and C-70 fast turn around, but I’m hoping for Ninja update that we can loop out from Canon making those cameras more versatile.
Great great great review. Only surprise is not including the workarounds to the cameras overheating problems which now, a year later, we know the answers to: a) turn off the LCD screen when you record which lends itself to the external recorder/ninja products b) install a copper plate inside and there are companies you can pay to have this done, albeit at the cost of your warranty. Regardless, thanks for the content!!!
I already made a workaround video plus others quoting various times. There's no point me covering the,same ground as thousands of other videos and I already spent over 5mins talking about overheating.
Gordon this is a terrific review. It must have taken you a huge amount of time to produce it. I love your calm, methodical and thorough style of presentation - brilliant!
Great review! Key takeaways for me: amazing (best) lens / body stabilization and 8k resolution. Taking 'pictures' from 8k video seems indeed to make a lot of sense with this camera.
Very thorough and easy to follow. Thank you Sir. I have the R5 and C70. I'm a fan of both. I don't have any issues turning off the camera between shots. If it had a log boot time I'd not be happy but I've got 3 seconds to spare... and the image is stellar.
Great review. From personal experience with my R5, I found there wasn't an overheating issue when recording in 8K rawlite. Anyone else experienced this? To me this was a game changer.
I primarily use the 4k cropped mode. It's a supersampled mode that rivals the quality of the 4k hq mode. In this mode, it will never ever overheat. This would be the mode for productions like weddings. I'm surprised how Gordon didn't cover this. If I need the full frame with no cropping, I will use the 4khq mode but then I have to manage my time (though to be fair, I have not overheated in real world usage).
@@cameralabs yes, I was about to amend the comment when I saw that. However, it was a blink and you could've missed mention since the segment was less than 10 seconds and very little footage was recorded in 4k cropped mode. Anyway you did an extensive coverage overall. But I think the 4k cropped mode was slighted in coverage.
If I were any kind of videographer or professional I’d wait until Canon gets it right . These cameras cost a lot so I’d expect the product to be more competent, not just the photography features. I wonder if the R3 will have unlimited video time .
I think the Canon's Cinema lines would be more suitable for pro videographers. The R5 is for hybrid shooting - someone who shoots photos & videos 50:50.
The footage out of the r5 is just gorgeous and you can get it without overheating. You can't do greater than 30 minute recordings but realistically 95% of the time no one does over 30 minutes in one take.
People who complain about 'overheating' probably dont have the R5, only looks at specs, not professional photographers, and who just want to cry about products they cant buy. I have the R5 and its amazing, and dont have issues with overheating coz there are ways to work around it.
Had my R5 for a month now, shooting mostly stills - havent touched my 5D4 since. If I was intending to shooting mostly video I would have it modified straight away. I would either cut the back cover and install a heatsink plate exposed to the out side air, or, install a 3Dprinted back cover to accommodate this heatsink. Yes, it would be weather sealed. The less than ideal mods I have seen so far vastly improve record times, and recovery times, but, they are still inside the case, relying on the thermal transfer properties of the plastic rear cover (bad). Yes, why should I mod this ? Why not just buy the A1 ? Cost. And, the A1 does not have eye tracking in video.
I was hoping to hear that with all the firmware updates, the R5 would finally be able to shoot at least until 120P in 4K without overheating… sadly looks like the only option for video to record in 120P 4K without any issues is still just the dedicated cinema camera like the C70
Very thorough. I love your reviews. I got an R6. I love it. It doesn't have all the bells and whistles, or the resolution, but I love it. It's fantastic if you're satisfied with 4K.
@@cameralabs That would be fantastic. The downsampled 4K quality has really blown me away sometimes. And I've gotten some handheld footage so smooth I argued with a friend of mine who was convinced it was on a gimbal. It's never overheated on me, but I'm at 30FPS most of the time. I'm probably biased, but I think it's quite underrated. Keep up the amazing work!
Great review. Wonder how the rumored R5c (R5 with active cooling) will do. Although I still shamefully live in 1080p land since it works for me as a hobbyist.
Gordan I've recorded in 4k 60p for long periods. I've record got the overheating warning but I've finish my whole recording without the camera stopping on me. I did stop and record for scenes like 10 minutes on, 1 minute off and I was fine.
Hi Gordon. Great review as always! Can you please tell what options for video recording with Ninja V available and what is not? Also does R5 overheat when recording to Ninja V? And what would be downside if use Canon EF lenses with adapter? Thanx!!!
This was great information for me. I'd like the ability to shoot short, high-quality video clips. Based on what Gordon says here, the R5 would give me as much video quality as I want, and overheating shouldn't be a problem. For stills, the R5 would also be a huge upgrade from the EOS M5 I'm currently using, so no problems there. My question was whether the R5 would be a good choice for me. The answer is apparently "yes". Thanks for the useful info. Liked and subbed.
Just use a Ninja V or upcoming Ninja V+ for unlimited video and no overheating. 8K RAW video, no overheating and still over $1000 less than any other 8k camera.
What are your recommended autofocus settings? How do you change from Eye Autofocus to just things? How to manage to focus if the subject is walking or running fast and won't be jarring instead of smooth?
As usual Gordon a very comprehensive review so well done must take a lot of prep work. As to the R5, amazing to think that it is already a year since it came out and from your observations, it must be a no brainer to buy an external recorder if video is your thing or, just a different camera. I am a stills photographer mainly but have started working on some short films of late using a Canon M6 MkII and have found it better to use an external 5.5" screen rather than the flip up one on the camera plus a lot of tripod use ! I do find that although way outside of my budget, the amount of technology all these big brands cram into their expensive cameras quite amazing and it is really quite marginal which model/brand you buy into, you would be really hard put to buy a truly awful one these days :)
@@cameralabs There was one other thing I forgot to mention, I have a 32" 4k monitor (its not high grade just big), on one of my PCs and I watched this episode full screen, it was brilliant, thought you might like to know :)
Excellent review. Curiously, can you do a video on "best scenario" to look at time / quality for long shooting uses with an Atomos recorder? Settings etc
Glad you liked this video. There's no point me doing another video just rolling off times, as they take days to do for every mode and cooldown, repeat for every fw update and there's already hundreds here on YT!
Very impressive technical video. Thanks you for your excellent work. Helps me to decide if I switch back to Canon again. Last week I dropped by inadvertence my Lumix S1 with the 24-105 into a river.
@@cameralabs hello Gordon, the lens was full of water and it's a total wasted. The lens has a lot of dark circles inside. The body have a good amount of water inside the battery compartment, a little in the hdmi ports, headphone port and sd cards. I tried to dry the camera by removing the water with a microfiber towel, push some air with the blower, put beside a small dehumidifier, put it in oven over 5-10min not to hot with rice under the camera and lens a few times all door open with no battery. The viewfinder has become foggy the first time and I have a lot of error message "put power off, or replace bad battery" , the seconde time the foggy disapear, but joystick don't work correctly, the third time joystick was ok, message don't appear now, but I don't test the camera too mutch. I went to a local repairman and he says in the long run the camera is going to have a lot of experience issues, so for him it's a total loss. So far i have made a claim to my insurance and am on hold. For the next camera I want to have an evf of 5.7m and i think in the 24 megapixel only the S1 have one, that's why i am thinking of going back to canon r5 or sony a7r4 and have more megapixels, better af, equal evf, etc. but I have a lot of Canon lenses and flashes and I prefer the ergonomy of canon over sony. The only lens l-mount I have was the 24-105 and the adapter, because I was not sure how I can used these lens if in the future I switch to another brand. Honnestly I still prefer the Lumix S1 except for it af-c and the bad sigma ef adapter. But i not sure lumix is still a good choice.
Gordon, I want to rewatch. Some of your options to support you I either don’t use, or prefer. I’ll have to figure a good way to let you know I appreciate your work. We need a pro HDMI locking connector.
For all the talk of overheating I see very little talk of the cause: the use of CF Express cards, which get extremely hot. As the Sony A1 shows, Canon chose the wrong memory type.
Overheating: the reason the Sony gets hot to the touch is because the heat is being conducted to the body where it can then be dissipated. Canon have apparently chosen not to do this so the heat builds up inside the camera and cannot escape. The R5 is therefore cooler to the touch, but hot inside. As the heat can't escape effectively it also takes a long time to cool again. This was clearly a trade-off by Canon for some reason - I can think of 3 possible reasons, but I'd only be guessing. Internal heating will increase electrical noise so I wonder how Canon and Sony compare when HOT? Have you taken any stills to compare cold vs hot noise/dynamic range? Is there a noticeable degradation at all?
HELP! I bought the r5 a week ago. My first video foray was recording my grandson's hockey game in 4K-U 23.98P IPB in TV mode. As a 73-year-old blonde, my iration increased every time I set the shutter speed, pressed record, stopped, and when I pressed the Record again, all the settings had changed. I can't find any video providing detailed instructions on various settings for various shooting situations. Chapeau Scooter Grams here.
Hmmm, I suspect you may be shooting in Program exposure mode. Use the mode buttons / dial to change to movie mode, then choose Manual from the list, that way the exposure will stay fixed. I generally use manual exposure for movies, so i choose the aperture and shutter, but then I set the ISO to Auto so the camera works out that part. To avoid choppy motion, remember to use shutter speeds no more than 2x your video frame rate.
never had overheating issue and trust me i live in the middle east we get to 50 degree Celsius but i don't keep recording for long times too because i don't need 30 mins constant recording the camera is great i really like it.
What is your personal favourite and what do you use a ff milc the most. what camera is in your bag with which lenses most of the time, and do do you have a future cam. to buy? Sony a1 canon r5 or r5c? What do you think personally?
Have you or anyone else have issues with files not recording all in 4k? I have my r5 set up with custom modes the main one being 4k 30 fps, 1/60, 400 iso CLOG. I primarily shoot that way for vlogs, but some times it randomly decided to produce files that are basically 1080p and not in CLOG ? And I'm not sure why it does that cause it would really just be a random file out of a set of files shot.
Thanks for great review . I for one got he R5 for stills but glad to know it can still keep up with the competition and not get left behind. I love the camera and am still changing setting to fit in with how I'm shooting eg ive not set any custom settings just changed to back button Focus for eye. * to single point and that nice front button to change between continues focus and single. thinking to set C1 like this and C2 to human eye. then C3 for Macro to use the Focus staking ? still thinking :) Oh talking about Macro Gordon have you had chance to look at the new RF100 L f2.8 Macro :) it feels lighter in the hand than the EF and I think it focuses quicker lol only had it a week :)
True, but that law hasn't applied for a while, plus companies like Panasonic and Sony just paid the fee and allowed >30mins on cameras now for several years. Canon has finally done it on the R3 as well.
i currently have had a Canon 80D for a long time and have been depsertley researching for months on different full frame cameras for both high quality photography along with stunningly crisp Video for a number of scenarios. I have been buying alot of Sigma Lenses that are EF mount which sucks because the cameras that are obviously better are ones like the Sony A7siii, Sony A7R V, Canon R5 (What I am most leaning towards) which all have different mounts that I would buy adapters to fit my current lenses. I have been debating for so long but deserve an upgrade in quality from what I currently use. Any recomendations on any cameras I did not mention or any I did mention! Do you think the R5 would be perfect for me? I would really appreciate any suggestions from people who have used many different cameras and would like to help me buy the perfect one!
Amazing review. I am debating between Sony a1 and Cannon R5. I need the camera for family portraits and for underwater video. When underwater I don’t film all the time, I think the R5 with its 4k 120p will be a more economic choice. What do you think?. Thanks so much.
Do you think the video white balance would be something that gets updated with firmaware updates?. Right now is really tedious to perform, and kind of a deal breaker for me. Seems like Sony A1 white balance is much more immediate. I would love something like that in the R5, that way I can update it at different depths. This is the only thing taking me away from this camera and closer to the A1.
Really useful video, thank you for making it. I have had an R6 for the last year, which I have completely fallen in love with! I have just bought an R5 for all the features you detail here, so looking forward to getting to grips with it. I have a question about the footage of comet Neowise that you show - you mention that it was shot at ISO 25600, what were the lens and settings you used for that shot, please? Love a bit of astro!! Thanks
I can't even capture in 4k coz I don't have hardware to edit it. 5, 6, or 8k is beyond imagination! 1080p or quad HD / 2k is what I have to content with even my phone and action cam can capture 4k @60 and @30 respectively.
i have the c70, and im looking for a good b cam with rf mount. And im just so discouraged by the overheating limitations in the R5. It seems like the perfect answer in every other aspect, but 20-40 minutes of 4k reocrding before overheating? jesus christ, how can you use that in a wedding?
Hi Gordon! Thanks for an amazing review. I would appreciate a bit of a help on an issue I'm facing with my R5 footage. I see pixel like squares in bokeh areas sometimes when panning across. I have not one but multiple CLOG clips with a similar problem. This is not due to any external lighting since some of the clips have even been shot outdoors with similar results.
@@onlysublime Nope. It's like JPEG artifacts but very geometrical, almost looks like pixels, only much larger. It occurs when I'm shooting 1080p footage even at ISO 100. It could be due to a fault in how the image is being downsampled?
Did I miss something while watching? It seems there is still no definitive answer to the question "Can I record 4KHQ or 8K with an external recorder and bypass the overheating issues?" If yes, is there a penalty?
I'm honestly fed up timing and retiming every single video mode under every condition and again for every firmware update, especially when there are loads of others who've done it here. Yes you can record for much longer externally. Yes, there can still be overheating in some environments. Turning things off like the screen and evf can greatly extend times. There's just too many variables for anything like a definitve answer
i noticed you mention 5k cropped to the Ninja 5 recorder, that tells me you read the the information the same as i did but im yet to get a straight answer out of Atomos at all have reached out to their support about it for the NINJA 5 (non plus) and they simply kept responding with a generic response about they cannot release information about feature updates etc when presented them with the information supplied on their website and from Canon directly, i was super excited to test he cropped RAW with the R5 and the Ninja 5 but found on day of realease with the R5 firmware update that its not available on the Ninja 5 recorder. i would be interested to know your thoughts on this :). PS i thought i had subscribed to you channel already as you show up on my feed constantly love the content so informative! :)
No one knows yet. All I know is the V+ will do 5k crop or 8k full frame in raw. I have no idea if the old V will do anything raw with the R5 but I hope so. It'll be 5k at best though.
@@cameralabs Thanks for taking the time to reply :), I agree and would hope they allow it on the old V considering there is other cameras that can do the 5k RAW. it would be awesome to have that as im sure there will be people out there that dont want to upgrade to the V+ just yet or have no intention of using the 8K ability for the 2000 AUD price tag, currently :) love your reviews very informative as always and appreciate you taking the time to reply to my comment.
Hi Gordon I was wondering with the chart resolution comparison between the Sony, Canon and Lumix 4k if the white background represents the colour of each camera at all? I've noticed a green shift with my Lumix S5 which seems to be shown with the S1H here. Sony looks to be the truest white and Canon more magenta would you say?
I found it hard to get all to deliver the same white balance even when manually adjusted or calibrated. I wouldn't read too much into their overall balance here as my lighting setup can change. It's more a resolution comparison.
@@cameralabs Legend, thanks for clearing up. No one else can see this green in Lumix I talk about btw so have come to the conclusion it's probably my eyes haha
8k on ninja is not available yet. And yes, I tried external 4k and have loads of results but I'm bored of just reeling off lots if times when there's hundreds of videos already doing that. I have a couple myself. I said external recording resolves overheating and 30min limit here.
@@cameralabs Sorry, I meant just the ninja as a monitor with 8k recorded internal. Anyway, yes you described that. People seem to have missed that. That said, I find the R5 incredibly annoying when using a Ninja as there is no way to stop the menu from appearing on the ninja, so if the monitor is off to the side, or you are self taping with monitor pointed toward you, it makes it very difficult to use the menu without having to turn the monitor around again. I wish there was a way to force the menu to stay on the flip screen. I have not tried a wireless monitor, but it seems that would make things even more difficult if the camera pushes the menu through HDMI as the only option.