Canon EOS R7 - Three Potential Problems - Canon EOS R7 Preview 

Thinking about the R7? Let me know what you think!

To your third point, keep in mind the Canon EF to RF adapter is fantastic and all their older lenses will work flawlessly with the RF system.

Spot on. I fall in the first group as a enthousiast wildlife photographer. The crop factor, r3 autofocus and 32 megapixel sensor where the deciding factors to preorder it. Can’t wait.

The lens selection don’t bother me that much. I plan on getting the r7 for videography. The R7 with the RF to EF adapter with built in NDs paired with my sigma 18-35 sounds like a really nice combo for videography. I believe the EF glass will work just fine at least until some of that expensive RF glass is in my budget.

Yep. I use the Canon 80D for theater and stage photography and have been waiting for a good RF crop sensor body to come out to pair with my R6 full frame that I use in studio.

I'm on the fence. I have a R5 and GFX100S, so I am set on stills. I'm really considering it for my You Tube channel. I have a 16 and 14-35, so I''m not sure the crop is going to bother me. What do you think about it for just video and a backup to the R5?

I‘m not sure if all the RU-vidr are right with the buffer. I looked at the spec sheet for the R7. With 15 fps it‘s possible to shoot 12 seconds in c-raw before the buffer is filled. No matter if electronic or mechanical. And this time you can change the burst rate with electronic shutter too. This are about 200 pictures in 12 seconds in c-raw. What other camera in this price range can do this? A few minutes ago i have had the chance to ask the people from Canon germany. They told me that the spec sheet is right. And the 30 fps are great for focus stacking and pre capture. In c-raw you can take 2 or 3 seconds of pictures if i remember right. More than enought to nail the action. Can the Z9 take 30 fps in RAW? Or the three times more expensive R5? Not even for one second if i remember right. Maybe it‘s not that worse like it sounds at the first look 😉

The RF 16mm 2.8, RF 35mm 1.8, RF 50mm 1.8, RF 85mm 2 are all fantastic combos for the R7. Small, fast and cheap. I’m sure Canon has some good general purpose zooms on the way. One lens i’m super excited to put on the R7 is the 24-240. 38mm-384 is pretty cool range. Could be the perfect family outing lens (zoo, beach, hiking).

I've seen ACTUAL hands on reviews and ISO wasn't an issue so I ordered one. If by chance you do experience a noisy image, software like Denoise will take care of it. As with any camera, experience will dictate when and where you can use it. You just have to know its limitations!

I own the EOS RP and was thinking of getting the R7. In your personal opinion would it be an upgrade? I am not a professional whatsoever I just take my camera wherever I go like to Disneyland and such. TIA

How will the RF lenses work on R7? How does the adaptor work with Ef lenses?

Yep, I fall in the second category. I have the 90D but need better video capabilities. the 10-bit 4:2:2 4k@60 was a huge selling point. It was a no brainer for me since I can sell the 90D for 1k once I get the R7.

Im thinking about buying the r7 to start to shoot bird and motorsport and keep on using my old fullframe dslrs to weddings and portraits etc but im started to think its hard to go back to aps c if the iso is not that good

I mean this is better then the rp right ? For video and photo. I shoot portraits a lot but I wanna do wildlife

From what I have seen on another channels sample RAW file at iso 4000, its no better then my old 70D, what's it gonna look like on 8000? But then again, that's at 100% image view.

Hi Gary thanks for sharing this great timing as I have been on the fence for ages - my ageing budget Canon 700D APS-C has been great for the past 7 years in my portrait and product photgraphy work but I have been wanting more quality, sharpness and better video and have been so undecided on updating to Canon 90D as an obvious next step budget choice but that old thing about full frame keeps coming back to me so now with R7 im not sure if can expect better quality for the extra money on top of adaptor for my budget lens collection or stick with 90D I suppose I will wait longer to hear reviews

Adapt the Sigma 18-35 f1.8 and 50-100 f1.8's into this and you've got a fully professional setup giving full frame equivalent images at about 2/5th of the price (£3k ish). For comparison the R6 with canon's RF 24-70 f2.8 and RF 70-200 f2.8 (which are roughly equivalent to those 1.8 sigmas on a crop body) comes in at approx £7.3k.

I have another concern: In the canon 90d days none of the full frame lenses was sharp enough to make use of the sensor. And I doubt that that has changed. Are there fullframe lenses that can resolve 32,5 mp on aps-c at the moment? And second concern: the zoom ranges of the current lineup are weird on aps-c. If you want an 24-70 equivalent: then you have to buy two zooms. And that already makes is more expensive than a full frame solution. So: I think that canon would have to make some good aps-c lenses before it would be competetive. f6,3 means that it is around 6 times worse in low light then f2.8. The camera itself has good specs, but I think a lot of people will be disapointed if you try to find lenses for it.

If you get an equiv focal length and the same aperture, you dont get an equivalent lens because you have to add equivalence to aperture also. A 45mm 2.8 = 71mm 4.5 (ish). If you want a 70mm 2.8, you need around a 45mm 1.7 (or 1.8 is prob close enough).

Good video but here's my thoughts as to why points #3 and #4 won't really matter for now. Not sure if you are a canon user back in dSLR days but a lot of sports and wildlife pro uses 1d/1dx and premium full frame lenses aka EF lenses. Some of those pros owned a 7dmk2 as a backup and if they needed extra reach without loosing stop of light with extenders. As far as i am aware, there's no premium EFs zoom lens back then. So those who own a 7dmk2 would utilise their existing L lenses. In my case, the ef 100-400l mk2 or say a 300mm L f2.8. Now i believe the r7 is targeted to groups 1 and 2 in your video or for those who wish they could have an eos 7dm2 in a mirrorless body as a backup to their r5 or r6. A lot of the owners of the latter are still using their good old L EF lenses that includes me. Even of canon would release a range of RFs lenses, i myself would not get one as i don't have thr budget and i have ready invested heavily on EF lenses. Besides the premium RF glass are very expensive. I am sure it is going to be the same for premium RFs glass in the future. For group 3 in your video, there are a lot of.options out there in Fuji, Sony and even Olympus if they wanted the crop sensor. And i am sure Canon is aware of that. When EOS R wad released, there was only one or 2 RF lenses. But they will catch up for sure.

They had some really decent EF-s glass like the 17-55 2.8. An improved RF version would be a no-brainer.

ISO and buffer are definitely very important features for photographers who are still on the DSLR boat, namely with the 7Dii. Even with the increased resolution and burst speed, not to mention the the incredible eye AF, those photographers are going to find something to complain about. It's no secret that Canon made the r7 as the mirrorless successor to the 7d, even if they don't officially say so.

In addition to the high ISO performance, and buffer, I'm waiting to see how much rolling shutter this camera has. I suppose a camera in that price bracket won't come with a stacked sensor like the R3 so I'm probably giving it a pass.

At first I was excited about the R7, I'm currently a Fuji user and the prospect of getting Canon's much better autofocus and menus/interface was very attractive. But I feel these two models are going to mostly appeal to those already in the R system who want a second body and/or use the crop factor to extend their reach. Unfortunately as a standalone option, I think it's probably not the best option because the RF-S glass is so limited (at the moment), and using RF/EF lenses can be pricey, and although probably fine if you're after telephoto reach, but awkward in that wide-normal zoom range with the crop factor taken into account.

I will use the R7 outdoors as a "tele-converter" with an 120-300/2.8 lens, if the light goes away, I can switch to my R6 and trade some reach for less noise. I mainly shoot JPG or CRAW, so the buffer won´t be a huge problem. I don´t care about APSC-lenses at all, as I will use the camera exclusively with my EF-lenses (well, exept maybe the Sigma 18-35/1.8). No issues so far...

I used to own 7D2 that didn’t have good ISO performance. I stayed at ISO 1600 or lower. But now we have a lot of great noise reduction software. So noise may not be a big concern. I will use it for bird photography. Secondary to my R5. CRAW may be a good option to reduce the impact of low buffer size. I will mainly use the 15 mechanical shutter. So buffer may not be a huge concern. When R1 comes out, I can sell the R7.

I've been eyeing the R7 for unit stills work, but your review is changing my mind. I might be switching to to a used Sony.

Can you remap video to C3 on EOS R7?

This camera is definitely aimed at the wildlife and sports shooter, people are forgetting that if you like weddings, portraits and landscaped you can buy the EOS R which is still an excellent full frame camera for virtually the same money, horses for courses.

I don't care about your concern, and I already pre-ordered mine today.

I'll wait until full reviews come available. For now, it looks not a good 2nd body next to my R6.

But those aps-c people who are still on a DSLR, they have EF-S lenses that can be adapted onto the R7

I use the 90d and I have been able to get usable shots at ISO 6400. Anyway there are always DXO pure raw or Denoise AI to deal with excessive noise.

I almost pre-ordered! But decided to see the full reviews, I still use the t3i! And this R7 would a great step up! I thought going FF but the lens investment is to high for me

as someone who’s only ever had point and shoots, and my phone, i have been doing my research for a couple of months and settled on going mirrorless. i preordered the r10 and have been having second guesses about switching the r7. but i know if i do i wont have as much money to spend on things like better lenses if i do so. and now your video has me second guessing altogether. i’m a guy that always likes the newest best tech when it comes to buy tv’s, gaming systems, and mac accessories and thats why i havent just settled on an older body. as for now im crossing my fingers that the r10 lives up to what i want. but, i may change my mind in the future. i have shaky hands and i know the r7 has ibis. and have seen some hands on reviews saying the iso range, though the same between the two, tends to perform better in the r7. so torn with myself 😂

From Canon user and forums I have chatted on or in. The general catchment area is Canon dslr users who want entry into mirrorless ( ML ) or wildlife/sports semi or pro's who want tge extra reach. Now this R7 is no 7Dii replacement in a ML body ! It is partly weather sealed, polycarbonate body, and is more of an 90D ML upgrade. However, the Eye, subject AF tracking at £1,349 is a steal ! I own a used 7Dii and only purchased itto replaced my 7D which I brought from new. Because I got fed up waiting for 7Diii dslr that never got released. I also purchased Sony A6600 for eye detection AF for portraits and wildlife., and what a big difference in keeper rate this makes ! The R7 does have some spec issues, low res EVF & screen, weather sealing, limited buffer So the R7 with its amazing AF is the big selling point at a price that blows all competitors away ! There is only Sony A6100 or A6600 that come any where near tye spec of this R7. Fuji are good, however detection AF is no where as good as Sony or Canon !

I pre-ordered. I'm coming from T2i.

Honestly, lenses should not be a very big concern. Yes, Canon so far has only released two RF-S specifically for the R7 and R10... and both are basically "kit" lenses: a compact 18-45mm IS STM and a slighlty more upscale 18-150mm IS STM. Nothing special... yet. Keep in mind that the R-series cameras and RF glass are only 3 years old. Canon has stated they expect to double the number of RF mount lenses over the next three years. Within the existing RF system there are already a few reasonably affordable full frame lenses that will work very well on these cameras: RF 16mm f/2.8 STM, 35mm f/1.8 IS STM Macro, 50mm f/1.8 STM, 85mm f/2 IS STM Macro, 100-400mm IS USM, 600mm f/11 IS STM and 800mm f/11 IS STM. The prices of these range from $149 to $999. There also are more than 125 million Canon EF & EF-S lenses that have been made over the last 30+ years, all of which can easily be adapted and many of which reportedly work better on R-series cameras than they did on the DSLRs and SLRs (mirrorless don't require camera/lens calibration, since the AF sensors are embedded directly in the image sensor). When you consider both RF and EF lenses together, Canon has more lens selection than Sony. Sony has a very respectable 114 e-mount lenses (according to B&H). But there have been at least 130 EF & EF-S lenses, and are currently 27 RF & RF-S. And Canon offers quite a few specialty lenses Sony lacks. For example there are five current Canon Tilt Shift and three older models. Sony has none. Between EF and RF, Canon has eight current macro and has several excellent older macros if you bought used. Sony has three macro. 3rd party lenses are another matter. There are tons of 3rd party lenses for Sony e-mount... Well over 100 with AF from various manufacturers. While there are some fully manual lenses for the R-series, only a few with AF and aperture control have been released so far. I would be a bit distrustful adapting 3rd party EF mount lenses for use on R-series. There have been some reported issues, though with newer models the manufacturers have stepped up to fix the problem at little or no cost. R7 will be a great choice for wildlife photographers. The AF system and 15 fps mechanical shutter frame rate, along with the "free 1.6X teleconverter" effect of the crop sensor will allow for moderate size and weight, and affordable, powerful telephotos. (Which Canon has all lined up and waiting in the RF mount... Until very recently Nikon had nothing longer that 250mm for their Z series mirroreless... Yet they had four or five 50mm! Go figure.) R7 will be great for patents shooting their kid's sports... But lousy for pro sports shooters because of the lack of a battery grip. When I shoot a sporting event I may take 5000 or more images in a day. That will mean a lot of battery changes, I'm afraid. Optimistically, I would guess at least five or six. Invariably batteries run down at the worst time and I will miss shots while changing the battery. I am also concerned about the build of the camera... Weather resistance and durability. The Canon 7D Mark IIs I use are rated to give 200,000 shutter actuations. Those shoot at 10 frames/sec. Because the R7 shoots at 15 fps, I would hope it has a 300,000 click rated shutter. I haven't heard anything from Canon, but doubt it's mechanical shutter is that durable. I've heard its build compared to the 90D, which also shoots at 10 fps, but is rated to have a 120,000 click life span (which was up from the 8 fps, 80D with 100,000 click rating). I also think the R7 would be a poor choice for wedding photography. That's full frame territory, pure and simple. FF is necessary for those dreamy shallow depth of field effects. Same with portrait photography. Back up your full frame with another full frame. In fact, using the R7 alongside any other model presents another problem... The unique control layout. I don't know why Canon felt the need to mess with the best ergonomics and control layout in the business, but apparently they did. This is something most people will adapt to easily and probably even like. However, anyone who uses multiple camera models and switches between them wants reasonably similar controls and feel. That ain't gonna happen with R7, I'm afraid. I can't comment on video capabilities because that's just not something I'm very familiar with. The R7 will show some noise in it's images. Probably it will be similar to the 90D... Maybe a little better thanks to the more powerful processor. I would predict ISO 1600 will be very usable, 3200 fine for a lot of things and 6400 with some post processing work. But those are what I can get away with using my 2014 7D Mark II. Of course, those are 20MP, and the R7 (and 90D) are 32.5MP. For cleanest possible high ISO images, go full frame and modest resolution (20MP R6 or 24MP R3). Of course you'll be spending a lot more money, and not just on the camera. You'll need bigger, heavier, much more expensive lenses, too! Plus a sturdy tripod to sit it all upon. You may have noticed I glossed over the 30 frames/sec electronic shutter of the R7. There's a reason. Besides the concern about filling the buffer in just over 1 second (and filling memory cards and storage devices at an alarming rate), I also have concerns about rolling shutter issues with fast moving subjects. Unfortunately, Canon didn't put an ultra fast readout sensor in the R7, like they did in the R3 ($6000). As a result, shooting sports I would likely need to stick with the 15 fps mechanical shutter. I might use the e shutter occasionally for silent shooting or for its 1/16000 top speed. But I'd wary of it for moving subjects (and what else would you need to shoot at 30 fps?) 😎

You're correct about wildlife/birding photographers wanting this. I am such, currently shoot 7DII, it's a no brainer for me but your point about 24-105 f4 is bang on and will wait for new lenses

Apsc will *never* keep up with ff for lowlight. Physics. There are reasons to want it and Im getting one to joing my R6. But lowlight isnt one and comparing to ff doesnt make sense.

I have shot weddings with a crop sensor in the past... I do not recommend it. If you are a budding event photographer, go buy a used full frame.

watching another video, if you shoot CRAW and slow the 30fps to 15fps in electronic shutter you can fit 100 CRAW in the buffer so that's reassuring

There are 6 more lenses planned for the crop sensor r series. Just look a bit further.

It's all about what you want and what you need. That will determine if this is a good buy. There's no such thing as the perfect camera. Which is why I have several and use for different things.

I disagree. I shoot birds and I thought I would welcome it because of the 1.6x crop factor for extended reach, but a few things let the R7 down. Ay first, I was pretty excited when I heard about the frame rate, 15 fps mechanical and 30 fps electronic, that is even faster than my R5. But, then once it was confirmed no CFexpress Type B, it basically renders the fast frame rate useless. If you shoot at 30 fps, you may get just over 1 sec on the shutter before your buffer is full. That is terrible for BIF as you need to spray when a bird is flying past. Then, you add that to the low res EVF and LCD, all of a sudden the entire proposition is looking less and less attractive. Last but not least as I found out the day before yesterday, apparently there is no battery grip for the R7. Boom!! OK!! Thanks, but no thanks, end of story, thank you very much!

I was VERY interested in the R7 until I tried to build an small light kit with a few HQ prime$ and F4 glass. Canon has the best AF-C and tracking. Sony has by far the best "contemporary," updated, third party, and variety of lenses. Along with the best customization, but with the worst colors (tried 3 FF bodies and many lenses, I have a background in lab production and color management,) and worst feel in your hands. Nikon has the nicest feel, weight, color, glass, and value. I'll be sticking with my Z7II and Z50 for a while longer, but they both feel like a step back/down from my D500/D750/D7200 with AFP glass and a few 1.8G primes.

The biggest issue is your first point. 2 reviewers have made full res images available for viewing and one even invites you to download full res raw files (converted to DNGs). The high ISO performance is absolutely garbage. At ISO 1600 there's a lot of noise, at ISO 4000 it looks like ISO 16000 or maybe even 25600 on a FF camera. There's a lack of detail at the higher ISOs too, so AI noise reduction software won't help as you'll be left with smooth smudgy looking images lacking fine details. I have a FF Canon camera and an M6 Mk II. The R7 seems worse than the M6 Mk II. It definitely doesn't appear to be an improvement.

One big problem aps-c in general has and these cameras are no different is that it is obviously impossible to balance this size sensor on a budget. Absolutely routine roll out in m43 at any level but middle range if that in aps-c. Those stops for static images are way more than the sensor size gives for primes unless splashing out for ultra fast lenses and then shallow depth of field becomes a problem. This must have a big sensor syndrome in traditional cameras seem so out of synch with what is happening in phones for any hope of it being a popular choice.

The Major Problem is Lack of 4K Apeature or Shutter Mode for Video!!!

I agree about Fuji having a better selection of cheaper native lenses compared the Canon’s more expensive RF line up, and now Canon has a problem with the introduction of the new Fujifilm X-H2S, the camera we all wanted the R7 to be! Yes, the more professional people might now turn to Fujifilm instead of going with the R7 for all the reasons you mentioned especially with the new Fujifilm 150-600mm. 😉 I myself being a Canon user did preorder the R7 because what other option do I have, wait another five years for the Camera the R7 should have been ? Lol! My Canon lenses will not work on the X-H2S! 😢

I imagine it's low light performance will be better than the D500 or the 7D mark 2 and that's the camera specs that wildlife and bird photographers would be updating and expecting to beat for the R7. I have preordered mine and I think it's gonna be the best crop sensor hybrid camera value out there.

your forgetting about evf and lcd is low res.

This is a sports and wildlife camera, not a wedding and event camera. I would never buy any camera based on a spec sheet from any company. Wait until a camera is in use with professionals who are doing the same type of photography you are. All of Canon’s RF and EF lenses can be used on an R7. Inexpensive lens would be RF 16mm F2.8, RF 35mm F1.8, 50mm F1.8, 85mm F 2 and the RF 100-400 mm. The buffer According to Canon can handle 224 jpegs or 51 raw files. Don’t use a cheap slow memory card or you won’t get those numbers.

1. I do like the 32 mpxl.. AF, and camera size. 2. Canon should've had a couple of primes (f1.2 + 1.4) ready at the time of launch. Now I am forced to buy the cheap kit lens which I DON’T WANT, then spend money again to buy better. 3. No forward planning: They experimented with the Canon M, then cancelled it.. That upsets customers, who have to start all over again. My dad had the one camera for 50 years ! 4. Many amazing features from the Panasonic Gh5Mk2 & Olympus that they had long ago should be on the R7 (waveform , etc) 5. The 60fps could have been better. 6. 5. The prices should be less, No more than $1900 to compete with Sony apsc, GH5MK2 and Fuji.

Lack of GOOD lenses for apsc is the real disappointment. Making fast, good quality lenses specific to apsc will be a reason to use crop cameras. For me having 2x R6 bodies, a high res tight shooter like the r7 would be amazing, but I will always feel like I'm missing out on the full image on the expensive RF L glass I've bought. The r7 would be just OK for weddings as things are. We tell stories and that means crop bodies literally limit how much story we can tell on a lens compared to what a given lens would throw onto a full frame sensor. If they can get that fast trinity for apsc, I might consider it for some niche applications

Shoot CRAW and the buffer will be much bigger.

Great video, 🙏

I also didn't get my invitation, strange...

High iso. That the territory of full frame and pixels peepers. Never had a customer turn down an image that was to noisy. Just something RU-vidrs prattle on about. Pros don't use APS C lenses. They will have the RF lenses or adapt EF lenses. And the invite didn't show up... hmmm. Sour grapes?

good points were made

1) Don’t use a crop sensor camera in low light. That’s what full frame sensors are for. It will not be awesome for high iso. 2) At 15 fps it can get 51 images. At craw, 187! 3) Who is going to use RF-s lenses? Canon didn’t make those for the EF system, so don’t expect them for RF. RF lenses are native for the R7! You aren’t going to see a holy trinity for rf-s. Sorry.

I just need an excuse to keep my sigma 18-35mm so I can let go my 90D peacefully haha. I also own the EOS R so looking at R6 as well since Ive started investing in full frame glass

Canon apsc line is a bait. Same as Sony's. I'd rather take Sonys bait for fairly good selection of inexpensive apsc lenses. I am a Fujifilm user by the way.

If you haven’t used it yourself why are you making this comments for.? No camera will be 100% perfect.

This is a very good analysis!

A reviens from someone who does have the camera. Interesting

I have mixed feelings about this. I feel this camera is not a natural contender for a 7 designation in the context of the EOS 7D range. I express the following from the point of a pro wildlife stills photographer, and not a wedding or videographer. To explain: the 7DI and II were professional-level APS-C bodies that had several characteristics: the best sensors of the time, good buffers, great weather sealing, great tacking (7DII), and battery grips to increase the energy supply and balance the heavier lenses. While the R7 without doubt has a great tracking system, to me this is more like an evolution of the ##D series, of which the last was the 90D, for the following reasons: There are much better sensors out there and this camera is competing with BSI and stacked sensors from competitors like Sony. In a premium camera I would have expected Canon to match that in competitive market. The buffer is small for the reasons you mentioned and I would have preferred to see a bigger buffer and CF Express type A with slots that are backward compatible with SD cards. According to several sources, Canon have advised that the weather sealing is NOT as good as for the R3, 5, and 6 bodies - which makes no sense for a pro-level wildlife camera. Finally, there is no announcement of a battery grip, when one is usually announced with the body. So: I DO applaud the camera at the price point at which it is located, but to me it is not a inheritor of the characteristics that would make this deserve a 7 designation. Perhaps something like and R9? I would expect a 7 to have all the features that were listed and in some cases, missing. So for me the question is: is this as serious as Canon's APS-C sensor line-up will get?

Yes pro lenes

Just add a EF to RF adapter all your concerns gone

I can see why you weren’t invited to the Canon event

Let's take a step back and wait for real world image examples.

Like you, I have three concerns….One, you have not held nor used the camera. Two, you believe others. And, Three, you wasted my time.

? there will be no problem to that camera because it only cost 1,500usd,. its very cheap for its specs,.

The point you missed about the buffer is that people are quoting 12 seconds to clear. So between shots you could have a coffee :)

Strangely it appears as noisy as the 90D, weirdly, it uses the same sensor even thought Canon claim they have "tweeked" it.

Videos like this seem like clickbait... This camera will probably sellout, those that snooze will lose on this one...

I think you shouldn't "review" gear that you don't even have!

CLICKBAIT YOU DONT EVEN HAVE THE CAMERA IN HAND. NORE HAS A FINAL PRODUCTION ONE BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU HATERS . IF YOU DONT PLAN ON BUYING ONE YOUR OPINION IS IRRELEVANT . JUST ANOTHER SPEC SHEET READER

What a waste of time. Please change the title as this is not a review! My advice, make a review with the camera in your hands. Btw, your 3rd point is hilarious...

I have a 7D mk2, and you think I would but this? You have to be joking. Moving from a flexible, tough as a tank, weather proof semi-pro camera to this? Not in this life

review??? LOL u dont even got the chance to touch one, dunno what did u say by reviewing? LOL

What a bunch of blah, blah, blah.

Wildlife photographers go outside, sometimes it rains. It appears that the R7 does not have pro-weather sealing, so basically useless for wildlife photographers......