@@KurtisPapeabsolutely but I am pretty sure thats why its not in this comparison. These are not the flagship camera’s from Nikon and Canon although arguably preferable to them in many cases.
“The Sony a7rV is starting to show its age…it’s getting older…” this comment threw me for a loop since it’s barely two years old. Hopefully two years is not the expected lifecycle of a $4k camera.
The a7RV will be able to be used at top pro level for 10 more years at least ... but the hype machine will want you to buy a new camera much sooner than that.
@@truthseeker6804 Is it, though? Most of the advantages the other two cameras had were either very incremental or due to them having a stacked sensor - and you could buy a high-resolution Sony camera with a stacked sensor two years ago...
Showing its age due to Sony being shit on updating firmware and not introducing new features that can be added (because they add them to newer bodies with the same chip) but withholding them to make people buy newer bodies
The A7rV is pretty good already. However because it doesn't have a stacked sensor, the mechanical shutter might have issues after some years, if you take a lot of pictures. Also the video capabilities of the A7rV are not that great. I also think Sony will stop upgrading the camera after some years. As a result it may no longer possible to connect the camera anymore through WiFi because some certificates may expire or because the current camera app is no longer updated by future Android or iOS versions. Other than that it will still be a great camera in 10 years.
They're all good cameras, and all far exceed the needs of your average photographer. You'll end up getting good photos regardless of whichever one you use. I say that as an A7RV owner.
I'd love to see y'all do a crop sensor flagship round-up with the G9II, OM-1 mark II and Fuji X-H2S, which are all pretty close in pricepoint and capabilities
@@RandumbTech hah, all I can afford is a 2918 Nikon Z6 that cost me about 700 bucks pretty sure I can't afford any brand new camera beyond the mid range category lol Purely for entertainement !
aside from IQ and screen/EVF, I'd rank Nikon Z8 above the other cameras.. the AF and autofocusing is incredibly accurate, super crazy burst rates... and I probably have larger hands than Chris
@@bubbachua what specifically do you find better about the Z8 over the R5II? My understanding is the Canon autofocus is actually more accurate than the Nikon according to another poster here who owns both and other comparisons I've seen, especially for wildlife and nailing the eye on people. R5II also does 30fps raw so I don't see burst rate as an advantage for Nikon. I was an R5 user who now uses the R5II and also just ordered the Z8 so I'll be able to test them soon.
The videos I upvote always have a moment where I'm reminded to do that. In this video that was the moment where Jordan was licking his lips and beckoning you to let him cheat you out of your money. Hilarious, and one of the reasons I've kept watching you all this time.
I still love my sony A1 but when I held the Sony R5 I found it uncomfortable, I have never liked Canon as I feel they are just too big, but I do like the ergonomics of the Nikon.
I'd love to see more comparisons like this but more specific to popular genres of photography that include top and mid tier lenses. For example within wildlife something like the Nikon Z8 + 180-600mm, 600 and 800mm PF, 400mm f2.8 and 600mm f4 TC vs the Canon R5II with 100-500mm, 200-800mm, 100-300mm f2.8, 400mm f2.8 and 600mm f4 vs the Sony A1/A9III + 200-600mm, 300mm f2.8 w/ TC's, 400mm f2.8 and 600mm f4. How do they compare tracking wildlife? How do they compare in handheld video (stabilization) and tracking in video while shooting log? How is the handling of these lens/body combos? (Zoom throw while shooting wildlife, custom buttons, weight, etc) Then the same would be great to see for something like portraiture. How does the Z8 + 85mm f1.2 compare to the R5II + RF 85mm f1.2 vs the Sony A1/A9III/A7RV + 85mm f1.4 GMII.
Thank Chris & Jordan for this DETAILED & UNIQUE video. As of today, Oct. 5th, 2024, yours is the ONLY one that compares Canon R5 Mark II with Nikon Z8 and Sony a7R V. The most helpful thing for me is when you point out that Sony A7RV is not a good video camera because of its 61 megapixel. That's exactly what I need to know to find a good hybrid camera.
@@stubones it's a bit weird counting mounted lenses I would say, lets make a lens bigger! It's normal to look at native lens support. Not counting the older Nikon lenses for example. Native lenses are what people are looking at and Canon has only very basic or very expensive, there is nothing in between
I hear the Sony E to Nikon Z adapters are quite good as well. I love my Nikon Z lenses, but I’d love to see more info on Sony’s lens selection used on Nikon.
Probably pretty niche, but I’d pick the Z8 for the Auto Capture feature which would open some creative possibilities the other two can’t do. I think such features can really differentiate when the cameras are otherwise similarly good.
If true, it'll be too late to the party and get compared to whatever the lineup is near the end of 2025, when it will be the oldest of the options most likely.
Nikon Z8 and Z9 are simply astonishing to work with, the latest z6iii is nice too, except I don't like the difference of buttons and controls... A7Rs did a great start, but have been caught up.
Great video. Love that you even say, "Who gives a s**t about the points!" as this kind of video is, for me, really about talking about what a camera is good at and where it falls short. I personally shoot Sony, and even though it fared worse because of your changes, I think you did a good job discussing how the cameras actually function.
7:52 I’ll note that to achieve that 10 fps, you also actually have to drop to 12 bit color depth, as well. Love my a7rV, perfect camera for me…but it ain’t fast, lol.
Can you guys make your rankings with a point system? Like you said about Handling they all are really good. Having a score /100 with the 1, 2, and 3 rankings will help with context that even 3rd place Handling is still really good
The three cameras serve different purposes. The A7R V is a studio and landscape photography camera (slow, high-resolution photography, the closest to medium format quality you can get in full frame), the Z8 and R5ii are cameras for photo journalists, action and sports (fast photography). A better comparison would have been between the A7R V and the Z7. Canon doesn't have a true high-res landscape and studio photography camera in its mirrorless lineup (yet).
I ageee but they probably didn’t use the a1 because of cost, but I still think it would’ve been a better comparison, just with a fat negative of being 2k more
If there’s anything I took away from this video, it’s that Sony now has somewhat of a gap in their lineup compared to Canon/Nikon in that they don’t have a high end jack of all trades hybrid body. The A7III/A7IV is supposed to be that model in their lineup, but Canon/Nikon have now really carved out a new segment with both of their options. It seems like Sony needs a model with a higher resolution faster sensor that can shoot ~40-45mp photos and have better burst and video capabilities than the A7RV. The A7V seems like a more specialized portrait/landscape camera compared to the other two cameras.
It will be interesting to see what Sony does with the A7RVI. If they make a camera that truly competes with the Z8 and Canon R5II in specs, it would be very close to the Sony A1.
Goal of video is understood and it is well done but maybe allow for ties, or just give a +1 or +2 based on performance in any category... especially the more subject ones. The handling alone, where someone with small hands who wanted a light body may pick the Sony vs. someone with larger hands using long zooms all day who may go for the Nikon... and the Canon possibly be in a perfect middle position. This alone could reorder the final raking, not that it was important or even the goal of this exercise. Even the image quality would switch with low light fast action is the main need. Viewfinder? Sure the Sony is great but not if you need fast action and black out free. Also, instead of Jordan popping up at the end with a score or two for video, pull in a 3-4 person crew and each score each category... or just have Jordan score all of the categories as well. of course, you may end up with one camera pulling away or a three-way tie, but regardless, it just means someone will comment that you should have just used a 3-point scale with a forced 1st, 2nd, 3rd scoring system...
This is a great video and it really had a great conclusion. Sony has the best lens selection, but backed themselves into a corner with the pricing of the A1. Their flagship body is really just the mid tier offering for Canon and Nikon, but with two CF-Express card slots. It really doesn’t justify a $6500 price tag in 2024. The ARRV is a nice camera, but is also overpriced for what it is in a sense, because it doesn’t have the video features of its competitors. The Z8 and R5 II are great and the Canon may be better for fast action, but is worse in video. They’re all pretty balanced.
The R5 has an option to turn off noise reduction in the menu. When you say baked in noise reduction are you saying that there’s additional noise reduction on top of the one that you can turn on and off?
Anyone up for a light argument on this fine Saturday?! Just made a coffee and have a few minutes free to bicker back and forth with someone. Lets get ourselves all worked up before going on with our days, but constantly thinking back to how right you are and how wrong they were.
Good round up, thanks. I'm a Canon user, but I like Sony for its lens choice - like the 20-70mm. Which is a useful 20-105 in crop mode. As someone who doesn't like faffing with lens changes in the field, it's something the others simply don't have (And you can have the A7r5 in 'mini' form'...)
If you're more of a video guy lean Nikon, Canon, then Sony. If you're more photo Sony, Canon, Nikon. If you're both Nikon, Canon, Sony imho. I've tried a friend's Sony A7R V. Wow what an impressive camera plus the autofocus was soooooo good.
Nice to mention Nikon at the top of your video choice but they will always be number one for photo especially wildlife and portraits. Their telephoto lens line up is unmatched.
Really great video y'all. As much as I love my Sony's, I gotta say I can't really do the a7R V because I am too much of a hybrid shooter, so its good to see this comparison. But I have enough E Mount glass I love that I'm not sure I can jump to that GH7 that makes your videos look so good.
I do think Lens lineups needs to be in the discussion. For instance, I use a macro for work, and I currently use a Canon EF-s body with an EF-s lens because the 35mm f/2.8 pairs very well with my work and there has never been a full frame equivalent of that lens. But were I to move to these, what options do I have? Cropped adapted lenses that don't benefit any of these. But Canon has a grand total of 1 native macro that can hit 1:1 magnification and it's not wide like the one I have, so to get the same thing natively, I need at least two lenses, which will cost somewhere in the range $1500+ compared to $350 for what I have. And this is because Canon (and Nikon) are limiting what third parties can offer while themselves not filling out the lineup with all the niches they used to offer. Sony on the other hand is filling up their lineup AND allows third party lenses AND works well with adapted lenses. In the end, as a Canon shooter now, Canon does not serve my needs. And if I want a true equivalent to my EF-s body, Fuji also has a lens that fills my needs and has adaptor support.
Nikon has a great 50mm macro for the Z system. I love my Canon EF-S 35/2.8 but the Nikon 50/2.8 macro is lightweight, has great optics and can double as a compact walk-around lens.
This is probably a very fair comparison review. I have the A7RV and I know it’s not a true hybrid camera. My primary use is travel, portrait and landscape photography with the odd video. If I needed a more balanced camera in this mount, I would have to go to the Sony A1 or the A9III which are significantly more expensive. That makes getting a second body like a ZV-E1 for video work making the combo more expensive than Canon or Nikon. I do use the Fujifilm X-H2S with eterna profile for video work, but having two different platforms making it inconvenient. I definitely agree that the Nikon Z8 and the Canon R5 Mark III are excellent hybrid cameras. I feel the compromises by both manufacturers to achieve this balance is excellent. I am a big fan of Canon ergonomics and menu, since I use to use Canon DSLRs before I moved to mirrorless (Sony). As far lenses go, I definitely prefer the smaller sizes of Sony’s prime lenses and zooms, the range of optics and the choices of manufacturers. So I am happy with my compromise.
I'm a stills shooter and rarely shoot video. Image quality is at the top of my most important list but medium format (including lenses) is out of my price range. I have a R5 Mark 1 and did not upgrade the to the Mark II as it did not have the improvements for me to justify upgrading. My expectation is Sony and Nikon will upgrade their A7R5 and Z8 (or Z7) within the next few months as the competition in a dwindling full frame camera market (less buyers) is fierce. I am really interested if there will be a Sony A7R6 as if I were to upgrade, that might be my direction.
You simply can’t go wrong with any of those 3 brands. May be if except video. But like anything else is about the entire ecosystem. I prefer Nikon lenses and I like the way their file handle data. But you will heard the same thing about the other two brand. I know plenty of people that love Sony lenses and cannon is very strong with professional sport photographers. At least I am Nikon is back on track as i ultimately enjoy their product more.
Literally any camera after the em 5 looks great and better than a phone. I lend the original em 5 to people that don’t believe that and then they buy a canon r7 😂
Jordan, what do you think about 8k recording limit on Z8? Does it matter? Is it a shame to have a limit on a camera with such a price? Is there a chance Nikon will remove it in one of the future updates?
Hows the files handled on PC? I like how I can set up my canon to save the files in exact folder names and file names that I want with a logical suffix. Also super easy to connect with a usb c cable so no more hassle with sdcards. Are these things possible on nikon and sony?
Thank you for the video. I do agree with the results. What is interesting: - Canon R5 ii could be better than R1 in your comparison and could be easily considered a flagship - Nikon Z8 is pretty the same as Z9 flagship camera in terms of capabilities you were comparing Funny enough A1 could be winner here as it has higher resolution sensor and the same or better fps/af performance. And A1 is 4 years old camera!
I like the comparison. Of course, who is ahead usually depends on who has the latest release. And, of course, cameras are useless without lenses. I would like to see comparisons of lenses in the most popular focal lengths from these manufacturers. And having done these comparisons for full frame cameras, maybe do them for apsc and mft cameras.
...gain perspective on where the industry is going! Thanks Chris for these awesome comparisons! Am cheering for the R5 Mk II! It is a high time that Sony should unleash a successor of the 7 R V!! Waw! Good review there!
I have no problems with handling Sony Cameras, I have very large hands, a friend of mine are two meter tall and have huge hands, he have no troubles handling either the Sony A7 series Cameras nor the RX100 series tiny cameras !
Well ergonomics is a relevant talking point and I don't see how else he would talk about it besides his own experience. Should they have made a survey?
I bought all 3 of these and ended up keeping the canon but really miss the z8. The ergos and overall shooting experience are phenomenal. I fully expect to be back with Nikon for good when their next gen pro bodies come out.
Chris, the appeasement king...Waffles don't waffle this much. Just pick the syrup you want and run with it. Sheesh! As always, keep up the good work and keep'em flying. From the little red planet. That Jordan Drake, what a guy... 😂
A1. The LCD of an 8 year old camera. Top evf. Best electronic shutter dynamic range. 30fps full raw. Wifi issues. Lack of new features in software updates (although sony is trying maybe). Still the winner for me
Why does the Sony get one point for video when it's basically useless for video? For “occasional clips” you're probably better off pulling out your phone. PP should be willing to award zero points when merited.
How did we go from a time when the Canon 5D mark II was ideal for video to a time when a camera with 10bit 4:2:2 4K-8K and a built-in stub became useless?
Well considering women tend to have smaller hands, you could argue the Sony would win because of that. It’s going to fit more people’s hands in the population.
@@christill normally that wouldn't be much of an argument (population as a whole doesn't matter), but it's true because women are a very substantial minority (if not half) of users in this particular hobby/profession. So both gear size and weight angle play a role.
I think all three cameras have incorrect final scores - Nikon and Canon each picked up an extra point that should have gone to Sony according to the individual scores
The Japanese pronunciation would be close to "knee-cone". In the US most people say "nigh-con" and in the UK most people say "nick-on", neither of which is true to the original pronunciation but both of which are perfectly fine regional pronunciations.
The Nikon Z8 sits at the top. It's ridiculous for Canon to get 12 points. Video isn't 1 point. That itself should be 5 points because there are many sub-points within video.
@@truthseeker6804 sony is blocky but buttons and dials are in the right place. Nikon has the best buttons and dials. Canon took 20 years to get the power switch on the right side of the camera, but still has vertical wheel in the front that is awkward, the wheel in the back that is a pain to use while the camera is up to your face. The Z8 has classic Nikon Power switch the horizontal front and rear wheel. Far far better layout. All of them have menus that are a pain, but that is just due to the amount of stuff in them. Nikon, sigma and Panasonic are all pretty simple to get around over all but you have to remeber what is in what menu. Canon has gotten better and Sony got better but still dead last. People I have converted from Canon all end up looking at their Canon bodies wondering how they ever felt with the horrible layouts. I have access to Canon cameras at work and none of them have more than 1000 shutters as everyone loves a different camera feel or colors better. And yes I dislike Canon color it is all marketing hype why people think they love them. They are megenta heavy and I hate editing Canon colors. Sony is green heavy. Fuji has the best, then Nikon, Sigma, and then Panasonic.
All Nikon's Video Problem (incl. Z9 unfortunately) is NO Back-Up on Second Card -> this mean: Unusable for Unrepeatable Events like Weddings, Sports, Celebrations, News...
Enthusiast? 😂 Nikon has only dual dials, but gives double functionality per button. Others? Canon doesn't. Fully articulating display is not Canon's style, it's camcorder's of '80s style...
