@@OrdinaryFilmmaker could not agree more, I also think they are having trouble figuring out what to do with the R7. Don't get me wrong, the R7 is the successor to the 7DmkII DSLR. However, the R7 is a weird follow up for many of us 7D users both build and ergonomics wise. I'm appreciating the fact Canon is taking their time to deliver the right feature set for whatever the R7mkII will be. It's honestly exciting to see Canon switching things up and delivering really affordable options with the R6mkII and R8. I just rented an R5 though, and after using that full frame with a mere EF 100-400 IS II lens to test out the native stabilization, I was dumbfounded with how capable that setup was when coming from a 7DmkII with an EF Sigma 150-600. I found myself not missing the extra 200mm, even with smaller birds. It is really making me wonder how much I need the crop factor for that extra reach. Maybe it's alright if Canon keeps releasing only full frame bodies?
Really? Because giving a big firmware update doesn't make them any MONEY! They just don't tend to do that with cameras costing less than three grand. I'm certainly not going to play the game of "replace my camera every two-three years!"
amateur and serious wildlife photographer will want a high megapixel camera instead of 24mp one like R3 or R1. Just look at how popular a1 and z9 are in the wildlife community while R3 is not nearly as popular.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker for example who and are they using a93 for speed or are they stuck in canon and 24mp is the only stacked cmos available for canon users?
@@OrdinaryFilmmakerI think you are completely out of touch with that segment of photographers. We won't know for sure because Canon users invested in glass have little options. And the R5 is nothing like a higher mpx R1 or R3. It's second tier in almost every metric.
They had the Z6iii at a local store for show and honestly I was shocked and impressed. Amazing quality at its price range. Really setting the standard for other companies to compete. 6K 60fps internal N RAW, ProRes RAW, ProRes It’s unheard of!
I’m happy Nikon listened to what was holding them back and they allowed their engineers to be the best of themselves and design a phenomenal camera! Moving forward, Nikon is moving toward being the best hybrid cameras you can buy!
I have shot canon for many decades and have enjoyed every moment with the R5, but if canon think that I will be buying another canon camera before they bring some f/1.4 or f/1.8 wide prime lenses they are very much mistaken.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker nice fast glass and great if you have a lot of time to shoot a panorama on a tracker. but not what I am looking for, I want a sub 20mm prime
Ugh, too soon. I just bought the R6 Mark II. I will probably skip and save for the R5 II in 2025/2026, the R6 Mark II Costs 3k, why not add another 1500 if you are already going to spend big 🤷♂️
This is my exact situation. The R5II would be the most logical upgrade in the next year or two. But if an R3II were to release at the current price point I'd consider it.
The only camera that will really shake things up in the photo world would be the Z90 | Z500. This has the potential to restore the balance to the industry. Understand that Nikon's legacy was always having a very strong showing in the APSC realm. Especially for S.A.W ( Sports*Action*Wildlife) Ever since the D3| D300 and D5| D500 when launched shook the internet. Lets DO it Again Nikon. Do NOT skimp on the autofocus for this APSC camera.
Takes a bit of work to set up the R6 Mark II to my preferred options for buttons, dials etc. But it's a great camera for the style of photography I do. The R6 Mark III would have to be special in order to justify an upgrade. As long as they keep the on /lock/ off and the video/ stills switches in the same place. More resolution or a stacked sensor?
The Z6 III got a big boost to video capabilities going way beyond what the competition offers, but the sensor delivering much more performance is a big deal. However, I still see the R6 MK1 as a very solid still camera.
I’m sure Canon (the 24MP company) will defend their low megapixel turf. Meanwhile, every other company innovates with better and higher megapixel sensors.
@@alansach8437 yeah we could keep bumping up the FPS (who needs 240fps) and add AI etc etc. We (Canon) are literally improving everything except increasing Megapixels. I really dislike how many people are low megapixel apologists. Like you were doing just fine for 40 years with 12mp, I understand. But we were doing just fine before HD TVs as well. Do you need more than 720p? Lol
All the 24mpx apologists probably overlook the fact that Canon currently has 5 full frame mirrorless cameras with that resolution. And only one with more. That's just one option. ONE
My prediction is that the R6MkIII will be in the 30 mega-pickle range and will settle there for the foreseeable future. It’ll also will have a fully stacked sensor.
I think Canon don't have a response to the Z6 III and that's why they lower the price to be quite cheaper than the Z6 III and compite somehow. I think, seeing how slow is Canon in this gen, that they migth have a R7 II earlier than the R6 III
Let Canon meet their delayed deadlines concerning the R5-II and R1 first. Then, in 15+ years they might come up with the R6-III (after spending time and resources on more silly lenses like the 5.2mm dual fish eye).
A7v…I know … I expect A7S4 first. But these rumors stir up some shortcomings on the A7iv. You are spot on… Not changing brands but sure admiring that green grass over there.
@@vivalasvegas702 Does f/1.2 change the sensitivity of the cameras ev sensitivity? I know fast glass makes more light available. I always thought ev sensitivity with camera was the same regardless of the lens. With a brighter lens it would for example be -5 ev from f/1.2 if the ev value was -10 of a f/2 lens and -15 of a f/2.8. This is if the light is at base iso.
As unpopular as this might sound here I'm going to give Sony well-deserved props for their clever partially stacked sensor implementation. (I am curious as to who actually owns the patent on this idea.) That said, I suspect that Canon cannot stop on a dime and immediately churn out partially stacked sensors even if they had the technology in-house. It is more likely that the R6 III will get the fully stacked sensor they already use in the R3; this will save a ton of technical design issues too. And dropping that 24MP from the R3 is fine by me. I guess the real question is whether Canon will jigger the video specs so that it can go toe-to-toe with the Z6 III. I hope it can since I have a couple of potential customers for a refreshed R6. Being a Fuji owner I, (while I despondently ache for a better AF system), it has been fun watching from afar all this activity in the FF market. It's exciting.
As I read your comment, I wonder what Canon vision for the RX Mark three has been all these years. Could they happen developing their own partially stack sensor? Could they have driven the cost down and just take that sensor from the RV and put it into the r6 III? Nikons update of the Z6 delivers a very capable camera for still some video. It's up to Canon to try and leapfrog this camera.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker Doubtful that Canon, barring any kind of industrial espionage, would just so happen to be likewise developing a partially stacked sensor. Furthermore, can bet your bottom dollar that, there a few pixel-peepers out there devising scenarios where the discontinuity between the stacked versus non-stacked frame of the sensor shows some "horrendous," world-ending artifact that quickly becomes a mantra of techno-Luddites. For my money, lifting from the R3's sensor makes more sense. Other than, including an adult-sized HDMI port, a pair of speedy Cfexpress Type B slots and a robust EVF, developing this R6 III becomes more of a software matter and less of a hardware issue to have this R6 III to leapfrog the Z6 III. (For the record, my last 35mm film camera were a pair of Nikons so I have a sentimental pang in my heart for the brand.)
@@natureredux1957 I have no proof other than it is well known Sony manufactures all the sensors Nikon presently use in their cameras. Though it is not impossible that Nikon in this particular case subcontracted Sony to do the manufacturing, and eliminate Sony from its design. But given the spec sheet info/patent filings from Sony on their other sensors, this doesn't seem likely. My money is on that this partially stacked sensor is the results of Sony's R&D efforts. Do you have proof otherwise? This should become evident fairly quickly once journalists start poking around. A far more salient question is whether Nikon can convince Red's sensor supplier to scale up and start massively producing sensors for Nikon's cameras, thereby eliminating Sony as a sensor supplier.
The Z6 III has good specs , but in terms of AF pretty sure it's on par on best of terms with current crop of cameras , The R6 III or A7 V would leave it behind when launched ( until we see Z9 II that trickles down). Speaking as a Nikon shooter , Nikon's AF (z9) is good , but a bit behind.
The Z6III is great on paper, but it's AF is still way behind even the R6 II. Somebody I know owns both and he returned the z6III because the AF was that much worse than the R6II. It was "OK" but not nearly as reliable.
An R5, is $2700 new and a refurbished R5 is $2200...of course an R6II is going to have to be several hundred dollars less than that. It has no choice. I'm not saying a R6III isnt on the way...but what is keeping the II competitive right now is its much lower price. The Z6III is currently having to conpete with an R5 at its price point.
Hi Simon, looks like Jan Wegener is now on the same page as you, expecting the R6iii before an R7ii. I can see they want to avoid losing too much market to the Z6iii which seems to only miss bird-eye AF for me to agree it's today best in class. Still wondering what a "partially" stacked sensor actually means. An extra reason for the R6iii could be the current battery grip going out of production, so a new R6iii might be needed to be compatible with the grip coming to the R5ii ? The R7ii rumored also with a stacked sensor could be awesome, but it may make sense to Canon to give that tech to the R6 line first .. Having pioneered a lot of things coming to the R1, R5ii & R6iii, one's left to wonder where this all leaves the R3 ..
If Canon bring out an R6iii with the R3 sensor and user defined pre-capture the utilises the current batteries and grip, I would get that camera, Canon has been trying to catch up to the competition for far too long, they need to be class leaders again rather than hanging onto Nikon or Sonys coat tails
My only concern with the Z6III is the loss of dynamic range at base ISO relative to the Z6II and original Z6. With that said, the video specs of the Z6III are very good.
Hopefully they build a better motherboard than the R6ii's, I keep getting that bloody Error 80. And the AF on the R6ii is not what its crcked up to be in niteclub work. I literally have a small flat led light attatched to my speedlite to ASSIST with focus.
simon, have you tested the dynamic range on the Z6iii? it is horrible. maybe 10 stops. the sensor is garbage. more dynamic range out of a 20 year old 5D.
You’re missing out. Both R6s are fantastic cameras. When I purchased mine, it just made me wanna take photos and was a big part of my going pro. I have since purchased the MkII and the R6 remains my workhorse used 65% of the time.
@@snakechmr5191 I know I do. But I feel guilty and those feelings don't allow me to do anything I might enjoy. I guess I'd love the R6, but my inner voice tells me that I don't deserve. Congrats on going pro!
If the rumors and logic about an R6-III are true, I probably won't be upgrading from my R6-II. Canon would need to bump up the megapickles to 33 or about that to draw me into an upgrade. Although giving us a 200-800 lens to help fill the frame is great, you can't beat a few more pixels worth for cropping. Is Nikon working on a Z7-III with it's 45 megapickles to compete with the Canon R5-II? I'm starting the rumor that they are!
As a Sony A71V shooter, it's great to see NIKON back in the game and currently on top of the heap for mid-range hybrid cameras. It trumps everything in the $2500USD bracket and also swings a bit above it's class. WOW... Tempting, but I can't afford to grab every camera that leap-frogs mine. My 2.5 year old A71V remains a solid performer for me for the time being. I'm sure SONY is quietly working on the A7V. Hoping for significant and meaningful improvements over the already competent IV. Good times!
I hope burst rate will be highly improved from a7iv to a7v. Otherwise, no complain against the a7iv. It's perfect for wildlife and low light shooting :)
I'm glad there's a lot of competition in this market, it's GREAT for the consumer and great for people interested in photography/videography. Good to see there's still a Market for those of us who actually want to CREATE art instead of just typing it in in some prompt.
Whatever canon puts out I really hope than can evolve and stop making cameras with micro HDMi and move to full size and CF express type B which is way more reliable than SD cards
I am underwhelmed by the AF of my new R6II (using RF primes and the 24-70 f2.8), which seems to be outperformed by my a6700 and Sigma zooms (10-18 and 18-50). This is still a review in progress, though, as the camera was purchased a couple of months ago. It's doubtful I'd upgrade to an R6III if it was to release this year or next. An upgrade to the R5II would make more sense with the ability to crop for wildlife and sports photography. I've seen comments here that the current r5/r6II batteries can't drive the dual nano motors of certain lenses, though, but I can't find any documentation of the issue. I'd like to use the camera for motorsports photography and my kid's outdoor sporting events.
Hi! I don’t think canon is pressured, and the Z6iii is not the best for stills, the R6ii has similar readout speed but is 40fps Eshutter, vs 20fps on the Nikon. Also, the DR on the Nikon is not class leading. But what I think is really off ia comparing the Z6iii and the R3, it’s just not on the same level, in every aspect, but look at comparisons, reviewers have tested the DR of the Z6iii and left to be desired. All best
Competitive segment, for sure. But Sony competes in the segment with a 33MP sensor. The a7Cii is a phenomenal camera, the a7IV is pretty good, and the a7V is rumored to be right around the bend. If you're shooting mechanical, any of them will do. But if you're shooting fast moving subjects, a stacked sensor could be a real advantage. Points to Canon (if the rumors are correct). But I love my a7Cii. The images it makes, the lightness, and the size are just amazing.
If announced later in 2024 would likely be a 2025 winter or Spring release. Though could be winter 2024. Guessing Canon is getting serious with stacked sensors.
The camera that releases “first” is almost always the marketing “loser”. It gives the competition time to catch up and be better. Being first is only good for two weeks then that dies off quickly. Nikon is smart for timing their big push into video the way they did. The timing and the patience makes it the consistent best choice. Now they leap frogged everyone Sony and canon have to respond by putting a 4000$ into a 2500$ body. That’s what the Z6iii essentially is. It’s worth $4000. By 2024 standards not. Nikon winning is a big win for all Photographer/Videographers.
If I was an R6ii owner I would be a little miffed, its not been out that long. Canon need the R5ii out before they start updating the R6 line, after all, the Z6iii was Nikon’s response to the R6ii.
I’m an R6Mk2 owner (as well as a R6Mk1) and I’m not at all miffed. Aren’t we supposed to be photographers first. Cameras are tools. Tools improve over time but that doesn’t mean you’ve got to upgrade with every cycle (think cell phone). I’m looking forward to upgrading this cycle to the R5MkII or R6MkIII, but I’m in not rush to do so.
The Nikon Z6iii has been continually in stock both at Adorama and B&H with the 24/70 f4 Lens and Body Option. Both were sold out of the Body Only option from day 1 release. Amazon has been out of both since 1 Day after release day. But on day 1 when I checked, Amazon had 8 Body and Lens which sold out by day 2. So anybody thinking that can't get one, well that would be Body only, assuming the Mom and Pop Stores don't have a Body Only available. So Camera body with the 24 70 F4, well anyone with the cash can get it, Today.
I was shocked when I found out that the R6/R6ii can't have the camera screen and external monitor on at the same time while recording, I thought only those APS-C models won't be able to do that, but never the R6 Mark ii, hope Canon would add that second HDMI circuit to the R6 Mark iii
I love my R6II for shooting sports. The only thing I hate is the video/photo switch. I wish it had a lock. It to easily can be move from one position to the other. I have it taped up.
This makes me wonder, since the R6III could potentially get something similar to an R3 stacked sensor to keep up the pace with the Z6III, and the R1 soon becoming the clear choice for pros in the fast action realm, would it be too far fetched that Canon could potentially refresh the R3 in 2025/2026 with a global shutter with better specs than the a9III? Huge conjecture right there, but it could seem reasonable if you fit all pieces together.
The R6ii is not behind the Z6iii when it comes to stills, it shoots 40 FPS raw and AF for birds/animals is better. Sensor readout speed is the same. Z6iii has more dynamic range in electronic shutter, better AF sensitivity in low light. I'd say they are on par.
R6MKIII will easily beat Z6III and be so much better camera than Nikon Z6III as it will come fully stacked and has better follow focus over Nikons in addition Canon will double down and price it below the ambitious price of Nikon Z6III crazy price. This will be easy because Z6III is over valued price gouging on this Z6III camera is because right now there is nothing else comparable. Good news for Nikon people , Nikon will be forced to lower the ridiculous high price on the Z6III, then we can actually afford to buy the Z6III. In the end the made in Thailand Z6III should be cheaper than a made in Japan R6MKIII.The other way around just doesn't make any sense .
Great update, but wouldn’t say the z6III is “by far the better camera.” That’s a completely subjective statement and depends on what one uses their camera for. While no doubt it’s a great camera, there’s still some limitations for what I do that makes me rather have my r6II over the Nikon (not being able to record redundant in video, less frames per second in stills, and less reliable autofocus). Would I like a bigger buffer and faster readout speed? Sure. But I personally don’t need high frame rates for video. However, I would say the Nikon is a better camera than the Sony a74. Either way, I’m intrigued by what canon will do with the r6III.
@@TEN21Portraitsi have and the r6markii for sure has the faster and stickier af. It grabs the face/eye from further and my keeper rate is way higher. The high iso of the z6iii is better, i still prefer the nikon ergonomics as my first ever canon was my r6markii, shot nikon for 12 years! But the canon 100% for my use case is better and i would say especially in low light. The rf glass is better, i sold my z9 and the trinity to get my r3 and the trinity. Then i bought my r6 markii as my second body. It is on par with the r3 in af. Both beat the Nikon system i sold. I shot with the z6iii for 10 days basically alongside my r6 and had a direct comparison. Its a shame as i loved my d5 and other nikons but the mirrorless is not as good as the Canon system✌️
@@drummerg3331 I haven’t but I’m also not making speculative statements about equipment I haven’t used. I have a z9 and my autofocus is great so I can assume based on the reviews we see the autofocus is great.
@@LiamFyfe that’s exactly what I’m trying to say. I’ve watched plenty videos comparing Canon to Nikon and the Canon typically beats out Nikon. And the fact that you have to spend nearly $4000 to get decent autofocus when you can get an r8 for around $1300. The r6II was my first Canon as well.
Have the Mark II, sold the R8, sold the Fuji Xt5 and tried the Xt50. Sold both and waiting for Mark III but keeping Mark II for studio video. BTW, I just subbed. I have a new channel I’m launching and would appreciate a follow!
Canon will not give a waveform or even a histogram in their cameras. Everyone gives at least a histogram. That’s the issue I see with canon. So basically even though their non C line cameras have good video they lack even the basic histogram exposure tool.
12MP. And NOBODY needs AutoFocus. AutoFocus is for rookies who keep their cameras in "P" mode. No true professional uses AF.* *Just playing the game here. I don't really mean any of it. But some people . . . .
