I’d like to add three missing things. 1 The RF has a way better AF. (Dual Nano USM. Quieter, faster, smooth as videographers like it) 2 The RF-System can show the focus distance, and in this case the magnification, in the finder & display. 3 Sperical Aberration is ”used” in the oldest, most traditional soft focus lenses. This kind of soft focus can not be achieved using filters or in post processing. The bokeh also changes, but as a side effect only. It’s a bit sad that very few people know about this. In my opinion it would have been better to title this ring ”Soft Focus” instead of ”SA”. The SA control in this RF lens does not need any additional optics or other expensive affords other than the control ring itself. It's achieved by misaligning of the two independently nano USM driven lens groups.
Years ago Nikon released 58mm 1.4 for a huge sum. It was the most expensive 50mm lens at the time. The selling point was that it had overcorrected SA, which gave it a smooth out of focus background. The way SA works is that if it's not critically corrected, you get rings around circles of confusion either in the foreground or the background. If your picture has three planes - the middle plane is in focus, but the foreground and bacrground are not, then one of the out of focus planes has rings and the other does not. If SA is not corrected enough, the background gets the rings. If it's overcorrected, the foreground gets the rings. If it's critically corrected, then neither the background nor the foreground have rings, but also neither has the circles blurred and soft. A critically corrected SA, like in Sigma lenses, has the circles flat and uniform, like thin pieces of glass. So this lens lets you decide which side you leave busy and which gets all the blur - the front or the back. If your pics have plenty of forground, then you can use the ring and see if it makes the image more pleasing.
The new lens has also some serious focus shift issues, causing the plain of focus to shift when using smaller apertures (f5.6 and smaller). This will cause the images to look softer where you want the focus to be as the plain of focus shifts slightly.
"Not Impressed"??? Okay.... Well, I've been photographing weddings, portraits, wildlife and macro since the '70's, yes I'm that old! I loved my 180mm macro and then when the EF 100 came out I got that and found myself using my 180 for macro more often than the 100mm. Fast forward to the R6 and the EF and RF comparison and the RF wins hands down. The EF is good but the RF is better. If you can't afford it, that's one thing but if you can... go for it!
I used the EF version for years-absolutely loved it. But when I bought my R5, I just had to get the RF version, as I wanted the 100% match between my R5 and the lens. In addition, the RF has the latest technology (image stabilization-8 stops with the R5). It was a no-brainer for me.
Yes and if the budget allows it is a nice upgrade and nice to not need the adapter. But for most wedding photographers they can get by with the EF and invest money elsewhere! Thanks for watching John!
On my R5, the RF version is crazy, crazy, CRAZY sharp. Like insanely sharp. I can zoom in to 200-300% and it not even look zoomed in further than 1:1. It'll be insane to see it work on the upcoming 90 megapixel R5s camera body that's not out yet. I've never used the EF model, but I 1,000X know without a doubt it can't even begin to compete with that. But on an R6? I doubt there's much (if any) difference. I would definitely think the upgrade would be MORE THAN worth it if shooting at 45+MP. But I can 100% agree with you that for people like you and tons of your followers who prefer smaller file sizes with cameras like the R6, the EF is probably more than enough and at no loss compared to the new one!!
Nope! I've had the EF version since it came out and before that the 180mm which was out of this world spectacular, and since I got the R6, I tried and definitely bought the RF version and I cannot imagine anyone not wanting it unless they are broke! :)
I’m holding on to my EF 100 2.8L too since it gets the job done and my clients can’t see and don’t care about the difference (I don’t care either, especially if I have to pay $800 assuming I sell the EF to buy the RF). For weddings and events, my RF 28-70 2.0L has displaced my EF 24-70, 24/35/50/85 L primes, and is only complemented by the RF 15-35, RF 70-200 and EF 100 macro. That’s all I need, probably for at least for another decade.
Great video!!! I searched youtube for Canon 100 macro EF vs RF, and only found a few videos that actually talked about both! A lot of those sort of brushed over the differences - I think one spec you missed is that the RF lens actually gives 1.4x magnification, while the EF gives 1:1 ... hoping for some decent black friday sales but ... feels ambitious
I think people who need the extra 40% magnification will appreciate it - the only other reason I've considered is that I don't like shooting mixed EF-RF, having to go between w/adapter and without adds just just that much more when I have to remember the differences in feel when changing lenses, when I change EF-EF or EF-RF/RF-EF.
I value your integrity KJ. You made a practical business decision about how to spend your money. You get it better than most. The budget only has capacity for purchases in the kit that will create images and drive results that help a photographer’s business. I love Canon gear and I’m thrilled they’re serious about mirrorless glass and mirrorless cameras. I also love that they’ve made it possible to keep shooting with EF glass. For now, I’m with you on the RF 100. All the best and thanks for sharing your analysis.
Not sure who these type of videos are for. I would say, buy this friggin lens! I've had it for 8 months now, and it was the best investment of all my gear. Yeah, they wasted money on the SA control ring, and it could have a focus shift issue, but all of these are moot points to most macro photographers, product photographers, and maybe even portrait photographers. You shouldn't be relying of AF for great shots anyways. It's got excellent optics.
I'm a food photographer and this video helped me make the decision to keep my EF 100mm L after watching other reviews, especially since most also have no clue why there is a SA ring. Thanks!
Bought the EF right before the rumor sites started to mention the RF version. Felt a little silly at the time, but honestly the old one is really good. Just bought the 135 f2, but I suspect it’s replacement at the rumor f1.4 will be three times the price.
0:12 you funnnnny! I just upgraded my EF 85 1.2 and got the new RF 85 1.2 and love it (and think it's totally worth the upgrade!), and so naturally started thinking about upgrading my 100 macro. It's like you read my mind and shared this video LOL. thanks!
Nice review. Seems like your main point is that if you own the EF L 100mm, switching to native RF does create a material difference to your workflow. I looked at the RF version and am sticking with the EF. I personally found the SA adjustment to be too easy to accidentally move which could unintentionally negatively impact photos. For me, the EF 100mm L is so good that the financial cost to a change didn't work for me either. PS - I shoot with an R5 as I enjoy wildlife photography and often need to deeply crop.
Thank you! For anyone looking at this lens, you can get it on Amazon in installments and pay over time but get it now. I don't have a need for this lens, but I'm hoping the RF 135 1.4 becomes a reality in the near future. That would be an insane lens, no doubt...
I love your candid take on this! I’m new to macro, so I went ahead and bought the RF version. I’ll be following you going forward. And I agree: the 28-70 is AMAZING! I love that lens.
I need the technical details as I use it for product photography. It's not about feelings. Closer distance is essential because I can get more of the product in the frame with means more resolution and more detail. Great review though and tanks for including the option.
I haven’t seen anything special about any of the new mirrorless cameras or the lens, sure they may be a bit better but not nearly enough for gear change.
Regular viewers will understand that your use case for this macro lens is wedding portraiture and not macro at all. I think it would have been a stronger video if you had actually stated this. (Maybe I missed it.) In this context, everything you say makes sense. It also would have been nice to have one of the two of you understand and experiment with the SA control, as it can have a significant effect on the look of the bokeh for portraits as well as macro subjects. Yes, an attempt was made to explain it but it's not clear that either of you actually tried this feature. It certainly differentiates the RF model from the EF model. This may not have changed your conclusion but it would have been a more informed conclusion. None of this is to suggest I disagree with where you ended up but it does leave the analysis feeling a little incomplete.
To be clear, wedding photographers do use this lens for macro photography, not portrait photography (at least not exclusively for portraiture)... we have to photograph small details such as close ups of rings and other small details like beading on a wedding dress....
I apologize, in the wedding world, it’s standard that we wouldn’t be talking about portraits with a macro. I would never use this lens for anything other than details unless I was in an emergency!
@@amandaslane3512 Thanks for the clarification, Amanda. I enjoy getting Katelyn's take on videos but I'm not a wedding photographer so this didn't occur to me-though now that you mention it, I do recall a few second of B-roll where she is doing a detail shot.
I own an EF 100mm macro lens that I bought used for $600, some years ago. My EF 100mm macro lens is my go to lens (paired with my Canon 5D Mark ii) for flower and foliage photos. Super awesome you can change the bokeh look on the RF mount lens. Thank you for this valued comparison of the RF mount verses the EF mount version of this 100mm macro lens. Now I solidly know that I am happy with my 100mm EF lens if I upgrade to mirror-less camera.
I've been thinking about getting the ef 100mm for my canon rebel t7 body for skincare and portrait photography. I've heard great things about it - but would you recommend the ef 100mm over the 28-70mm? I've been wanting to look into the 28-70mm lens too, but in your opinion, what do you recommend for crisp, professional photography? I've also not seen a 28-70mm for EF mount.
Yep. For a use case focused more on portraiture/wedding/etc this lens might not make sense. The added size, isn't really welcome if you are coming from the EF mount version for folks rarely doing macro shooting deep dives. But still...it's an awesome bit of kit, on the cutting edge optically, and....now that it pops in mind...it's also an "available light" shooter's dream. A combined 8 stops of stabilization when used with an IBIS image stabilizing sensor bodies means more dramatic low light shooting. I dunno. The question mainly revolves around budget considerations for working pros and passionately slaving amateurs. I can say that if you exercise reasonable caution with a lens of this quality...it will last many decades of use. And the used market for Canon glass is always pretty strong. You could use the thing for a year and sell it for a few hundred less than you paid for it. To be clear I've never owned or shot with this lens. But the numbers are in regarding the optical tech and the evolutions of tried and trusted Canon tech like USM, optical stabilizers, the perennial, "how sharp is it?) question. Well, the numbers and the images out of this lens are better than the previous generations. On paper. The quality differences are only discernible by people who live spending hours pixel peeking in Lightroom and the like. But wait! There's one more thing. A 1.4x magnification factor? Not 1:1...like in the most serious macro lenses of the past? Yes. It is true. The light bouncing off a single ladybug 🐞 is 40% larger when it hits the imaging sensor. And with a big and pixel dense 35mm sensor, that could be an eye poppingly detailed 2'x3' print. I've shot close to 25,000 frames through macro lenses and if the tiny and fascinating excite you, well....buy this lens. If you own the EF mount? All I can say is that I'll never part with mine!
Great video, I totally agree it's not worth the upgrade as a wedding photographer. But for my aquarium macro shots, which isn't the focus of this video, it's quite a nice upgrade, definitely not worth 2x the price, but not having to use extension tubes for super close ups and I found the focus to be quote a bit faster and more accurate. Can't wait for the next video but my next lens for vlogging will be the rf 16mm. That's an exciting lens should be at my local store in 2 weeks!!
The best way to upgrade an EF lens is to put it on an RF body! I think there are reasons to upgrade to the RF 100mm macro, it is just that it won't apply to quite a lot of people, and come on £240 [so similar USD) for the collar!
The SA ring on the the rf lens messed me up at a wedding a few weeks ago! I had no idea what it was, or that I had accidentally adjusted it, and I thought my lens was broken. I had to borrow the ef lens version from my other photographer. It made my photos sooooo fuzzy, like there was oil on my lens. Anyway, if anyone figures out what the SA ring is good for, I’m interested in learning! But for now, I’d be happy without it.
I love the SA ring, but am thankful it can be locked in the center. To make a long story short, it softens focus. It adjust bokeh backwards or forwards... it's hard to explain, but an example makes it easier. The lens is normally very sharp. This means blemishes are sharp, too. The SA ring can reduce the appearance of blemishes! The person will be sharp enough that they appear in focus, but skin and features are smoothed out. Too much of the effect can make the picture appear wet, so use it carefully. :) Also: I haven't found much use for it outside of portraiture.
The beginning of the video showed examples of 0.5x vs. 1x vs. 1.4x. The 35 and 85 are 0.5x macros, so that should give a good idea of the magnification.
Note: I ordered and paid for this this lens (Canon RF 100mm Macro Lens) almost a year ago now and understand that I had to wait 6-months to get this lens but I still don't have the "Tripod Mount Ring and Adapter" yet and Canon has refused to comment to B&H for an update. I believe that to be unacceptable customer service and therefore can't recommend "Canon equipment" to anyone.
The EF100 L macro is one of my favorite lenses, and I own most of the EF and RF lenses below 200mm. I don’t own the RF100 L, but I am not surprised it has a hard time casting shadow on its EF brother.
😂 you guys are great !👍🏼 thanks for your review. I just bought it with the R6 and it’s my first camera ever. I love macro photography so I really hope I have some fun with it😅 God bless 🙂
very honest review!!! I thing lenses (and everything else) are tools, I still have a 90 mm f2.8 macro tamron lense that bought in the 1990´s and I see no reason to replace it. I think we should have what we need and not spend the money just for fun. Thanks!
Always love your down to earth heart to put it out there with out all the techie stuff though sometime it can be useful and your techie guy handles it fine. I would agree with your review if you have the budget or the EF lens as on a budget I might just lean more to the RF 85 F2 or the RF 35 to do macro as does the bride really look at the macros shots that close as I would say she's more interested in the other wedding shots. But just love your down to earth videos and the joy you bring with them. Even the little behind the techie shots like in this one that makes me laugh of your down to earth stuff. Be safe and techie guy too and thanks for the great info too.
@@KatelynJames Got it, I only have the 35mm RF lens, and haven't updated any of my ef lenses. I'm waiting for them to hit the used market. Maybe in a couple of years. The 28-70 2.0 is very tempting though.
0:10 that's it, I'm out 🌚 - For real, the RF System for Canon is genuinely making me think about what I want to do next. The images they produce are insanely good
@@KatelynJames I'll stick to my plan, build a collection of EF Lenses (to get a grip of what I want), and then hop onto the RF System, with an EF - EOS R adapter. Fingers crossed, quality is close to the RF System
@@bahaatamer1245 I would do the same, especially if you do a lot of video and get the drop-in CPL/VND version of the EF-RF adapter, which otherwise can’t be matched at that price point for having such a great level of integration within your base camera/lens package. Unless you need the ultimate, corner-to-corner resolving performance or the very fastest AF speed, EF L primes and the latest zooms will do just fine in meeting most clients’ expectations for the foreseeable future.
@@mxilplict and focus on the Sigma Lenses. If you're anything like me, you'd be in a Canon system now, eyeing the Sony A7S3 or something equivalent for top notch Video and Photography. They have the MC-11 Adapter for that, so that's a bonus!
I made the “upgrade” just because the ef 100mm was such a staple in my work flow for years (commercial/product). I agree and this lens is pretty underwhelming. I’ve moved to all RF lenses other then the 35mm L ..because that still doesn’t exist and both this and the 70-200mm are just “meh” when it comes to image quality compared to the EFs they replaced.
Without the technical side of things, cameras wouldn't even exist though… I find it feeble to "not care" if your lens can focus closer than its predecessor or not. I mean I get not needing to get that close, but it's a pretty big deal if you NEED to get closer to something… 1.4X magnification is revolutionary in a lens like this.
I’m on budget and thinking to get the rf 85mm f2 stm instead buying ef 100mm macro as the 85mm also can be a macro lens. Is it a good idea to get that 85mm for the ring shot? I just can’t spend another $1000 aud for a 100mm for just a ring shot :(
So you don't shoot macro and your reviewing a macro lens with special macro features. Not one that you've owned a long time and have a lot of experience with, one you just bought for this video. I don't think I'll pay any attention to your recommendations for shooting macro with this lens.
Thanks Katelyn! I just purchased the RF version because I never owned the EF version. I am in love with the lens as I also do toy photography and it has been a game changer for that. I will never use the SA control but this is a great lens for weddings (and portraits).
I have been wondering this for months. I have a non L series 100mm 2.8 that is old (got it used myself), so I’m going to assume the the RF will be better than what I have?
Hey Katelyn and thanks again for another interesting study :) I just wondered whether you'd since had any experience or thoughts about the RF 85mm f2 'macro' as a companion macro/portrait wedding tool combining the need for a 'ring' lens as well as something just a little longer than your beloved 28-70mm f2... I realise that it won't have quite as much smooth blur as the f1.2 whopper, or be quite as close-up as the 100mm L macros, but a decent compromise? Many thanks in advance for your thoughts 🙏🙏🙏
Hi! Love your videos. I do weddings, events, portraits. I have the R6 with the Rf 28-70 f2 always, and I have a eos rp as a B cam or back up. I've been trying to decide between this 100mm f2.8 or the Rf 70-200 f4. Which one would you recomend for my long distance shots? Thank you in advance 💪🏽📸🔥
I own both lenses. I have not found that the RF is sharper or better in any way than the EF. The only thing that is better is the spherical aberration control ring. If you make images with bokeh you can create some amazing bokeh light spheres. Otherwise I find the two lenses to be equal so far as image quality.
I bought the RF version for my wedding details and I can say right now that I will never use the SA control, I’m not blown away on the focus with it and I’m also not crazy about the amount of focus breathing that goes on with this lens before it latches on to where you told it to focus. All in all, it’s not one of my favorite lenses and I paid too much to be saying that. 😏
I agree with your assessment of the lens, and I think the spherical control doesn’t really add any value for my use. However, if you have the EF version, you can sell it for in good condition for about $800, so really the question is whether the new lens is worth $600. The increase in magnification (plus the added benefit of having all my lenses RF so I don’t have to use the adapter) makes it worth it for me.
Thanks so much for the honest review! One question: Have you noticed a difference in focusing speed between the RF and EF versions? (Less important for macro shots as for street photography)
Hi Katelyn. You read my mind about the new lens. I currently shoot 90% of all my content on the EF 100mm lens and it's fantastic. Great for portraits, covers, products, etc. Unfortunately, the new RF 100mm lens has a Spherical Aberration Control Ring and that was the deal breaker for me. After watching examples of this lens and control ring feature, I noticed that the Spherical Aberration makes adjustments to the whole image and not just the bokeh background. I don't like what the control ring has to offer, and it's too big of a risk in my mind, to use this lens on a paid photoshoot. I think it would be too easy to adjust the control ring by accident and risk ruining the whole photoshoot.
Its better than the EF. If you have the EF, the upgrade wont be THAT MUCH WORTH IT. If youndont have ANY just do the RF. its totally wprth it frpm having nothing. To say that this lens sucks is a blantant lie. Would you rather have $1000 or $10,000. $1k is nice...but im give me the $10k. Its just like that.
I wouldn't buy any macro lens. I use extension tubes which convert all my lenses to macro. A macro lens is bulkier, heavier and less versatile when compared to extension tubes. Do they have RF extension tubes? My 85mm 1.4 is an amazing macro when fitted with extension tubes. If I want more magnification I use my 50mm or even wider. Sometimes I use my 70-200 so I can stand back a bit if it's a bug or something that I don't want to scare off.