Canoo - The new EV Muscle Van | Sandy & Canoo CEO Tony Aquila 

Yup, been a fan for a long time. One of the few makers really taking advantage. of the modularity that electric and electronics makes possible.

I love everything about the Canoo... except the powertrain, which is, unfortunately, garbage, according to their website's stats. Range of 200 miles, Charging speed 20%-80%(120 miles) in 28 mins (Teslas get 100 miles in 10 mins). It could work for in-town transit, with a fast-charger at home-base, which is what they're mostly aiming for, it seems. But definitely disappointing, in that regard. Hope they make improvements to efficiency.

Mass production - the usual problem. I just don't trust them getting it done.

Definitely agree 💯

@@CHMichael Any particular reason why? To my untrained eye it seems like they have very simple solutions to the traditional problems. I'm not sure they will be a 1 million vehicle per year company, but they seem to have a lot of things figured out for a fairly low-labor assembly.

They were doing a larger body version as well. Not sure if that's delayed to get a product out.

@@rogerstarkey5390 That would be great. I'm here for a camper too and a slightly longer body would help. (and they have to come to the UK and I have no idea how long that is going to take).

I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes.

Fantastic job Canoo! Back in the late '60 I had a VW Campmobile. It was fun and the truck like driving position made me feel half blind when I drove my wife's regular car. This Canoo blows my old Campmobile, and the new VW van, out of the water. If Canoo doesn't bring out a camper version I'm sure other companies will be lining up to covert Canoos into campers.

Forreal ❤️

What old is new. Check out what VW had in Europe for decades! abandowest.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/1-dsc_0360-volkswagen-pick-up-1968.jpg

same here, i hope this doesn't end up being more vaporware.

i like the pickup. when, how much?

They won't sell to consumers .. only fleets and robo taxis is their plan..

⁠@@jimhofoss9982starting price is around 40k or more. They will probably sell the top end $$$ American Bulldog version first; to fund expansion and production. No word on when yet.

Yeah Tony is building for the client not just for the market. I suspect he avoided University …

I own a 16 year old car and who knows which owner I am

I don't think this is correct. Tesla is already in the business of upgrading their cars. I am already way happier with my Tesla simply because one year after I bought it it did not become obsolete because the new model has a tweaked infotainment system and there is no way for me to upgrade without using shitty 3rd party stuff like Mercedes did. In fact I already have one computer upgrade under the belt. I expect a camera upgrade and another computer upgrade at some point as well. It would however be interesting if Canoo can truly make it so modular that I can upgrade the drive train, battery, seats, everything over time and constantly be getting a refresh of some part that wore out to the latest version.

@@dirkbester9050 Re the "modular upgrade" . I've suggested that's what will happen with the Tesla Taxi Fleet *They* (or maybe a company they buy? ..... Hertz?) will run it. Eventually, they reach "peak vehicle", (250-300 million is only 12-15 years) At that point, with batteries outlasting the shell, vehicles come to a refurb centre for:- Full diagnostic. Body off. Interior removal. 4 new suspension units. New interior. Body on. Replacement panels if required. New wrap (no paint) Diagnostic/ alignment, etc. Out the door. . This will be in a few of the old Gigafactories (or a small area within the closest location) . Removed components (suspension units, seats, etc) will be refurbished in house ready for the next vehicle. will be refurbished. The majority of floorspace (some compete factories) will be repurposed for .... Bots? Energy products? and other things (I think housing).

So do I - in fact that's one thing many people are looking at when they buy new vs. used - the technology might only be a year or two old but it "feels" old and the chances to update /upgrade it isn't impossible but almost might as well be.

The engineering is kinda where it breaks down, actually. Terrible powertrain. Range of 200 miles, Charging speed 20%-80%(120 miles) in 28 mins (Teslas get 100 miles in 10 mins), and no reliable Charging Network. It might still work for in-town transit but not more than that. To get less than 2/3 the range of a Model Y, with the same size battery pack, and when the Y is surely heavier, and then charge at less than half the speed... Not good =/

@@catbert7 I think your comparing apples to oranges a little, a model y is built and designed as an SUV, a single purpose, whilst the Canoo is a van platform engineered in such a way to be potentially produced for multiple utilizations. Sure you can get 100miles of range into a model y in 10 minutes using Tesla level 4 charging stations - that is the beauty of Tesla they make EVs and provision a charging infrastructure. Why would Canoo over engineer the dc charging system when the charging infrastructure doesn’t exist to support it? Is that the fault of the vehicle itself? I can’t say much about the overall range of the canoo but 200 miles of actual range would be respectable for the pack size, the wltp figure for a model Y? You might come close to it on a good day…. Occasionally

@@catbert7 teslas are boring. and how much is a model Y 70k? lol

Engineers are funny, only they can logic why the door cupholder is at floor level. 😆

Tbf even many vans and small European cars are surprisingly wheelchair friendly. The fat American cars obviously aren’t

I'm surprised you didn't know about them before, they've been around for years (2018?)

Same here 👍🏻

Our pleasure!

Doesn't need 300+ miles just needs to have the NACS built in and sell for $40k

I'd call it an adult minivan, but its a great design for families too. This thing crushes everything else in practicality. I am certainly tired of the lack of leg room for passengers in sedans. At $40k, why buy an EV sedan over this? SUVs don't even offer this legroom.

@@johnnymonsters9717 Definitely needs NACS. Most charging is at home. Stick with the connector that is the most user friendly. Sell a NACS to ccs adapter like tesla for the times you want to use a ccs charger that still hasn't added a NACS cable alongside the ccs cable. CCS will all be NACS within 5 years. Once one major company switches to NACS, they will all do it in quick succession (except gm).

Wal-Mart is funding it. It will be their delivery vehicle.

I think that it will be closer to 40k than 25k for base price, but still think it will be good value. I knew there was a lot of flexibility, but I had no idea it had this much. Will probably have an enormous aftermarket as well.

This is far closer to the rib taxi than most people think. In fact, I'm going to bet many will say Tesla copied Canoo. It's simply logical.

@@rogerstarkey5390 rib taxi? Did you mean robotaxi?

It's a cool idea. Just need to train yourself to not use that front storage area, or you lose the sight lines

@@deansmits006 I wonder what they'll do about the human propensity to fill up every space. If I'm just getting in and out of the front seat I can easily see myself tossing my backpack in there - and that'll be a safety hazard in a collision, especially a rollover.

Maybe something like netting with compression straps/3-point tiedowns (sides & "rear") that'd keep things secure - mirroring the "lounge seating" - & still afford some visibility.

Mitsubishi Delica vibes.

The looks are not for everyone. But for my generation (1987) and on - more and more tend to appreciate for environmental impact and practicality. It could do great in Europe for given the space at the length of a compact (4.4m)

My thoughts exactly. I have a Sharan - it's cavernous, more space than most big SUV's at just 4.85m - Tesla Model X felt cramped (ok, ok, a bit smaller) in comparison and it's 5.03m. I'm disappointed in humans ditching the comfortable and practical MPV for SUVs. And in European cities, on some alleys and parking lots even 4.85m is big enough. I would gladly have an iD Buzz or a Canoo (if they make one with sliding back doors) - with 3 little kids and un-attentive grannies - they are a must.

The guy who designed the i3 also designed this one! He’s one of Canoo’s cofounders

@@shmadmanuts Yep. Here in the States we're hoping the ID Buzz (or Canoo) creates a sea change in the popularity of the van over SUVs.

@@wertyuioqp1 I forgot Richard Kim had worked on both. Makes sense now.

You're talking like it was 100 years ago. Money is still cheap and VC is still strong.

It would be a great vehicle if they improved the powertrain. Range of 200 miles, Charging speed 20%-80%(120 miles) in 28 mins (Teslas get 100 miles in 10 mins), and no reliable Charging Network. It might still work for in-town transit but not more than that. To get less than 2/3 the range of a Model Y, with the same size battery pack, and when the Y is surely heavier, and then charge at less than half the speed... Not good =/

Waxing poetic about 2018 is...weird.

If the pickup version was 20k or under for a base model, i'd consider getting one for around the house and yard work.

@@88conquesttsicanoo is out of money. They burning through cash. Their stock been tanking and now at $1. They produce nothing for people that deposited 2 years ago.

You should have seen his mentor, Deming, for a lesson in "venting", all vinegar, no honey

People pay Sandy big buck for his venting.

Except for that whole "Chrysler is no longer in the minivan market" bit. It's half the Chrysler line up

He's trying to change the industry. He knows they are watching....well respected people rarely take their platform to try to change how people treat others who follow. All these companies whish they treated Sandy better and maybe the next sandy will be treated better and can have huge impact earlier in life.

Sandy you are right … it does look like a Buckminster Fuller’s Aero car ( polarizing esthetics but brilliant design functionality )

Exactly " 5-10 years" And 50-100 years to ramp to serious volume. Same for Lucid: dream on...

@@calmorton4619 Of course it is a long shot, but I hope they beat the odds. Same for Lucid (although their odds are dwindling....as we slide into a recession, and the stock market gets wonky, it will be hard to raise new money to cover continuing losses)

They won’t survive with this current leadership team. Way too many micro use cases.. they are all over the map.. jack of all trades but a master of none. (Check out the 2 other suits in the background- no contribution to the Sandy clip)

@@pauldesi ok… 🥱👉🏽🤡

@@pauldesi My thought too. Look at what happened to Archimoto. Lot's of great options and configurations that unfortunately distracted and drained money from the primary goal of getting production going and revenue flowing.

I thought Tesla would do a pre moulded plastic/ foam blank like that with the cells press fitted to provide structure. I don't think their current "blown foam" is really elegant enough, expecting a mk2 improvement.

@@rogerstarkey5390 I agree! I am assuming that you would be able to use the HVAC system in this vehicle when not driving, so having this as a boondocking RV-ette would be a great idea!

Prototypes and invention is hard. The factories and production can be done with enough capital investment. They have thought through things so the road map is easier, especially the map for production.

They need contracts. Will build out the factory to suit. Tony seems very attuned to the needs of the military. He’s done his research. The gov’t contracts will give them both cash and time to ramp.

I’m waiting to see a test mule rolling around Bentonville. I’d love to see this company succeed.

So opposite in form from the cyber truck. Round all over versus sharp corners and angles. I like the round look

Glad you enjoyed it!

I agree

Touch screens are much cheaper that all the design, engineering, purchasing, sourcing, tooling, manufacturing and assembly of physical buttons and everything connected to them. I hate touch screens.

Their vehicle design is great but you were right in one very important regard: Their powertrain is a joke. Range of 200 miles, Charging speed 20%-80%(120 miles) in 28 mins (Teslas get 100 miles in 10 mins), and no reliable Charging Network. It might still work for in-town transit but not more than that. To get less than 2/3 the range of a Model Y, with the same size battery pack, and when the Y is surely heavier, and then charge at less than half the speed... Not good =/

Tsla bagholders everywhere lol

Based on how real people really use their cars.

I rather like the look personally... it grows on you!

Absolutely badass.

You sound like a boomer. The average boomer thinks this is so cool I'm sure.

I wonder if they can get that idea through the regulations? Sandy mentioned the guy with the self balancing wheelchair, what he didn't mention was he sold the design to Johnson and Johnson, (I think) but they eventually gave up because regulatory organizations kept demanding endless "safety" features.

Ditto my friend! Need to be able to get in and out easily.

This thing has no ramp. So if you’re a wheelchair user, you’re screwed. Notice how narrow the doors are? Which gets worse because they mount those jump seats to the doors. Wheelchair bound people will have an ordeal trying to get in and out.

All they need for interiors is just a whole bunch of lock down positions. That would allow all sorts of 3rd party people to make seating options and let the buyer customize easily for their own exact use case. I would want 3 seats and the rest of the space for bicycles and wheelchairs. That’s likely pretty unique, but everyone is likely to be pretty unique.

@@hemaccabe4292 This is ONE version of this van, it is extremely customization. True, the battery pack means you can't do the sort ramp that is used in most minivan conversions, bu that's true of any "skateboard" EV.

Checker Cabs. Manufactured in Kalamazoo.

Unfortunately, sitting in those seats requires that the front seatbacks be leaning forward too much for someone to be sitting in front at the same time.

They do not have seatbelts. They are primarily for tailgating. The side facing seats are the ones with the seatbelts and can be used while the vehicle is in motion.

I think the actual ID Buzz short version has more cargo area. Edit: they say canoo cargo is about 130 cu ft, ID Buzz Cargo is 137.7 cu ft so just a bit less unless they where rounding.

@@YKSGuy Interesting. I was wondering which had more space. I've decided to wait for the Buzz cargo long, and live with some junker for 2 years until it's out (or something better comes along like the 105kWh/300 mile sprinter).

@@xxwookey I suspect the efficiency of the long buzz will be much better than an e Sprinter depending what you are looking to use it for. Bjørn has some good data on the short ID Buzz on long highway drives ETC. The shape / aerodynamics matter a lot on these vehicles, as well as the battery systems.

Lol. Ouch, but spot-on. 😉

Agreed, this is much closer to a real spiritual successor to the Vanagon than that ID Buzzkill. Maybe the LWB ID Buzz will be better but I was very disappointed that VW is trying to sell an overpriced, slow, short ranged grocery cart for $50k+.

It’s also good for possibly upgrading to better battery tech later

I believe the batteries in the cement foam are slated to last a million miles. After that, they’ll just be recycled.