That call is shocking, if a car is released publicly, it should be reviewed in its current state. Why was it released buggy with an ‘expected 2.0 update’? Fisker got caught with their balls hanging, and rightly so 😂 well done MKBHD
thats what new cars are now. they dont sell cars without computers anymore and those computers rarely have working software before theyre sold. its just like gaming actually lol
Yea screw that i am never gonna buy a car that needs updates for its software fuck that. I don't mind EV's but to me they have just gone to overdesign zone hard with most of them where only EV's that i would actually drive are the senior scooter three wheelers or EV's from early 90s all of them are just way too filled with useless tech that just ups the price and i would never ever even use but the car would still have to have all of it in working condition because of yearly inspection.
@@RmnGnzlz Lmao this isn't a video game where they patch shit after you buy the product. If they're careless enough to ship bad software when you're buying it, you bet your ass they'd do it again in the future
@@turningmememachine7256 It’s true that the software should’ve been MUCH better when they released this car but it honestly is kinda like a video game. No matter how good the software initially is it’s always going to need to be updated and get bug fixes/improvements.
@@dexter19885yeah, but what EV manufacturer with a possible exception of Tesla isn't? Fisker was still the best of the rest and I would hate to see them go out of business, but the financials of it are just cruel.
I also expected it to be a down right terrible product based on the chatter, but it seems to be more small nuances than major defects. But for the $70K MSRP, I can see why it's unacceptable these faults were not corrected prior to being sold to the public. The biggest fault of this vehicle...it's an EV.
@@TheGamingNorwegianI think they should just give you a warning popup every time you boost after 500 uses. You can still use it, but the car will inform you that it could cause damage or wear to the drivetrain and youd have to confirm that you are willing to risk that. Completely locking the you out of the feature doesn’t seem right for something that you own.
Omg. As someone who owns many vehicles, none newer than 2003, I cannot imagine wanting to buy a vehicle that relies on software, screens, internet connections, apps and all sorts of completely unnecessary tech. This is absurd. You need "software updates" for a CAR? Wtf! I don't even want those buggy updates on my laptop. Less tech, less problems.
well, the next generation might not want to drive the car at all so basic thing you accept such as: just drive the car by yourself will soon become a big no no in the future, and definitely worth getting a update for less driving = more Netflix
@@damandarin5415 my vehicles will work when others are hacked, or shut down, or have internet problems, or apps don't work, etc etc etc. There's no comparison. One is a vehicle, the other is an appliance.
@@JCredTV sounds like you use an old wind up phone instead of a smartphone because a smartphone can get hacked, shut down or have internet problems. As time progresses, these become less of an issue, and only the benefits remain. Watch how in the 50 years, these software type of cars will be prevalent. It’s the future.
They knew they shipped a terrible product and weren't keen on a large reviewer bringing things to light. If you scour around the internet, you'll see plenty of lukewarm/bad reviews. Even the Fisker subreddit is constantly filled with posts containing gripes/issues/errors about the vehicle + not great company servicing.
Fisker has been fighting to keep any real reviewers from getting into an Ocean. I am disappointed that this review did not include him testing the Ocean on a dirt road, not one single photo exists of this so called SUV driving where an SUV is supposed to be able to go, nine months after deliveries started.
@@mtawali13 Oh come on, no one does any real criticism of Apple, if you do you don't get shipped products and don't get invites to Apple events. He may get away with a little more than the average person but he still toes the line.
Car companies took a page out of the book of video game development by releasing an unfinished product and then promising their customers with future updates that will fix things
@@ShihanQu FSD is early access. Just like when you buy an EA game on Steam, they are very clear that it's an unfinished product at the moment and you are buying in early on the development cycle. Nothing wrong with that. If you only want finished products, don't buy early access.
The more computerized a car is, the more annoyances you deal with. Imagine getting a car the price of a Corvette that comes with no Sync or cruise control, which I’ve literally seen on rentals, and being told it’ll come in a software update. What happens if they decide not to update it? They already got your money. Oh well, enjoy your rolling hunk of scrap electronics!
Bro it’s funny because I sent an email to Fisker back in JULY when I filmed this car. I told them a list of things that needed to be fixed because the car I filmed was apparently pre-production. Sad that none of them were addressed. Really wanted Fisker to do well.
Which means they just want to ride with the current surge in EV sales but don't really care about the customers. Hyundai and Toyota both made modifications as soon as customers and influencers made them aware of some needed features and fixes. Ford constantly rolls out OTA updates.
The review treats it like a 'normal' car, but it's really not. With so much attention given to its sustainable build and design, it is not on a level playing field. I do agree that it's not acceptable to release such buggy software but this review is questionable for its intent.
@@CathodeRaze If it can't function like a normal, fully-functional EV then it's a fail. Sure, some of his takes are his personal opinions but that doesn't change the fact that people should be able to live with this daily and they can't. Suggesting that the Ocean is somehow special or different and therefore it shouldn't be held to the same standards as other EVs makes you come across as a Fisker apologist and unable to really be objective. Fisker is selling pre-production-quality vehicles. Why? They have to. If they waited until the bugs were worked out then the company would go bankrupt before selling 1 vehicle. They took a calculated risk to try and start generating income by selling vehicles not ready for production and whether that was the right or wrong decision is up for debate, but I feel like they had no choice. Their stock is down over 94% over the past year and the company may not survive 2024. Selling pre-production-quality vehicles was a hail Mary that may bite them and just be prolonging the inevitable.
@@dieseldrax I'll reiterate that no car should be released with any dangerous issues but most have been very annoying software. He could have reviewed (much more usefully) the 2.0 upgraded car because that's what everyone will have from March onwards. I've driven the car and it's a great drive so I'm not just an apologist. What I am is an entrepreneur and a disruptor and know where Fisker comes from in a cut-throat industry full of sharks. This reviewer knew that his review would be damaging - a short-term win for him maybe but long-term pain for Fisker. I don't respect that.
Supposedly mini coopers have a limited number of launch control boosts, too. I recently learned about this for my model of mini. It's only 100 uses and has some really weird combination of inputs to use. So it's not unheard of. I was also confused by the lifetime limit thing, but for me it's a feature I'll probably never use and it's a non-issue.
The life cycle of technology is faster than the time it takes to design and test a complex computer system so by the time the car is ready to go, the original software or technology is outdated
ppl accepted this way for many products since decades, and now complaining autistic about a single start up doing so. ppl also belive in Capitalism which enforce companies to go this way for financial conditions in this system. So what we should really complain about?
It's a cashflow problem. You can only produce this car at a reasonable price once you have large sales/production numbers, which needs a large investment. You're basically saying you'll outcompete all existing companies with your killer new feature --- because if it's something the others thought of, then they have the advantage of being established (in workspace, logistics, dealernetwork, troubleshooting/maintenance, ... all those things you have to start from scratch). But we don't know if your killer feature, or actually your new mixture of pros/cons (price, quality, features, style, ... ), will take off! You don't get a blank check, you need to argue for every $million investment --- but until you do the actual thing you do not know what things will cost in time and money, and something will go wrong (bad weather? bankrupt supplier?) that you cannot ask a budget for; so you are by definition short of budget. So you must buy from an established company, or find a startup with a ridiculous no-questions-ask unlimited funding billionaire supporter.
Another . method is the MVP concept, just test the core features, everything else doesn't have to be perfect, of course that's the prototype and u apply it to a select people who are aware of it, not the fucking product itself, it's happening every where now
This feels more like someone took the normal "We'll fix it after launch" approach I see in software and tried applying it to a physical item. This is either the devs running out of time, or not having the QA and resources they need.
Every car in Eco will let you punch it if you floor it. It's a safety thing. If you need to GO, you need to GO... you may not have time to futz around with drive modes. Flooring it will always bring full power.
Yeah that’s what I’d expect, for safety reasons. Flooring it is a sign that there’s an emergency and you need all the power 🤣 That’s what my electric Mini does, anyway.
Not to contradict, but Marques here keeps saying Fisker is a new company, and here I am wondering if I hallucinated James May driving a Fisker Karma on TG back in 2012.
yeah I raised my eyebrow when he said ‘new’ because I remember coming across the Karma for the first time in my local mall and that was around 2014 I think? Looks like the company has had a lot of financial problems in the past. edit: I mean I guess it’s relatively new compared to Tesla.
Previous company was Fisker Automotive, and went bankrupt in 2014, assets sold to a Chinese company. New company is Fisker Inc started in 2016, so, do with that what you will 😂
@@Alex_Martin_ It is but unfortunately with todays reality not a far fetched one. We dreamed of flying cars and instead we got pre-release cars that can't be touched by mechanics that need 2-3 years patches to get decent with microtransactions and blue screens and OS learning just to turn the air-con on or lower the radio volume. Sad state of affairs really.
Insane of them to not want you to review it as they do not see it as ready but are willing to charge customers 75k for it. Absolutely right of you to review the product they have chosen to sell to customers
You keep missing the point over and over - he was offered latest car software, chose old one intentionally to do it down. So - given that most would-be owners would never see what he’s reviewed (except the good stuff) it makes the review vindictive.
Ok so $75k foooorrrrrrr WHAT??? No NACS, no power open trunk no Funk, no power charge port and why is that any where NEAR $75k $30K At most, Plastic everything, bland and plain rubbery interior, zero luxury,, wait no Sport Brakes either??? Supposed solar panels for 3 miles maybe????? Horrible and no software???? This company will be delisted
It's incredible (to me) that car infotainment systems (from all brands) are still so slow/crappy. We've had tablets and phones with a LOT more functionality for decades now for less than $200.
@@guitarazn90210 yeah that kinda is the point OP was tyring to make. We've had cheap but reasonably powerful SoCs for YEARS now yet car manufacturers end up using the slowest one they can find
Not subbed, never watched this channel before, but this popped up on my recommended feed. So I watched it. Then I went out and wouldn't you know it, one of these drove past me. "So what?" I live in a small town in the East of England, I never expected to see one, certainly not on the same day I just watched this video! Love it!
i love how the DLC structure of things has leaked to everything now as they get more and more software in them you thought we were beta testers before... we're all literally just early access buy ins these days
How would you like it if you as a software engineer had spent the last 6 months on your baby sorting out all the issues only for some influencer to ignore the offer to see your hard work?
@@CathodeRaze you’re a dummy. The engineer came out plenty of time and never fixed the issue. All the sudden they get a bad review and they send out their senior engineers to fix it. Don’t be silly
@@CathodeRaze ill be ashamed. Ill be mad at whoever greenlit it to be sold publicly. Last thing id feel tho is anger towards the reviewer. If we watch the same video, it’s clear that the ‘influencer’ was trying his hardest to find a silverlining on this car. If anything, the ‘influencer’ went easy on it.
I am a Fisker Ocean One owner and I feel like everything you commented on is valid. The fob sucks, the lack of saving my drive modes, the crazy flashing errors I get constantly…it’s unique for sure. Though I enjoy every moment I’m able to drive it. It’s a unique experience I can’t get enough of. I welcome the honest commentary on the vehicle and I hope the negative commentary forces them to address some of these long standing issues
Even if it had launched without issues, Fisker is not in a good financial position and is likely to go under. Magna (their manufacturing partner) will be fine and probably sees the writing on the wall.
Man, I expected way worse. This kind stuff was 100% acceptable in the 2010s. They do need to figure a few things out, but nothing that can't be fixed with software updates (I assume...lol)
2:30 I think you just confirmed MKBHD’s point: it’s been over a month since his video was released and you, along with thousands of other Ocean owners, still don’t have Ocean OS 2.0. Fisker has proven exactly why MKBHD was right to review the car he had rather than wait indefinitely for Fisker to improve the product. The fact that Fisker has paused the rollout of 2.0 vindicates his skepticism about the ability of one update to correct all the problems he noted. You suggest that it’s unfair for MKBHD to review a car that Fisker was perfectly happy to sell to the general public. I think it’s unfair that Fisker would offer a reviewer a version of the software that they haven’t made available to all their customers. When a veteran tech reviewer suggests it will take a long time for Fisker to make all the improvements necessary to make the Ocean’s software competitive with the other vehicles he’s reviewed, I’d take his opinion seriously.
I was so confused when I saw the thumbnail and channel name. Here in Germany we have a magazine called "Focus" and they also do car reviews. Auto is German for car, so I thought "Auto Focus" would be the YT channel for focus' car reviews and that they have a feature with Marques. So yeah, thought I share that with you all.
To be fair the glovebox missing doesn’t matter to me as much in 2024 what do people even keep in there anymore ? I have like paper copies of car repair work and registration paperwork but all of that is digital anyways I would rather have that tray 100%
@@whoareyou60gun :P Also registration and insurance is better to have physically, it can't run out of battery and cops will like it better. I also keep a little thing that reads the fault codes of my vehicle, and an actual pair of gloves (wow, imagine lol) and an ice scraper in mine. Storage in vehicles, especially something as ubiquitous as a glovebox, is a wierd thing to remove. Especially in an electric car, where less room is taken up by the motor and battery than is taken up by an engine, gas tank, and transmission. Oh plus, you could keep the globebox and just have a tray extend out of it or above it. Wouldn't even take up that much extra room. The tray is nice tho.
@@Colorado_Chris Yea no, they werent even close to "inventing" the first electric car. Many many companies had done it before them. The Karma was also a very dangerous vehicle known to catch fire.
As a IT guy who loves: laptops, PCs, phones, etc the 2 places where I hate Tech like this is in my car and in my home. pre 2010 was the best for cars, as soon as the car started yelling at me about my seatbelt I lost all interest.
I'm old. I can't conceive of paying north of 40 grand for a car, and, what does it cost to replace all of these electronics when they fail? I've got a great mechanic who used to work at a dealership and can fix anything that goes wrong with my cars for reasonable prices.
@@Kodakicy wouldn't be the first time. they went under after the fisker karma in 2014. the ocean only exists under the fisker name because henrik fisker loves losing money and decided to start a second car company also named fisker in 2016. technically the karma and the ocean are made by different companies.
That bluetooth issue you're talking about we get on our 2021 Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid. It's crazy annoying. You also can't tell it to stop trying to reconnect so it will just keep trying. Everytime it fails it will take over the whole car screen to tell you about it. And if it does connect you can expect it to disconnect very shortly after.
Having worked in automotive software validation for years, THANK YOU for expressing how these "minor annoyances" can totally ruin the driving experience. They're not minor. They're very big deals, especially when they distract the person who's supposed to be piloting a dangerous, powerful machine through an uncontrolled environment. That said, it sounds like they know they rushed it out, they were trying very hard to keep this crapware away from you, and that tells me they're taking the issues seriously. If 2.0 fixes some things, 2.1 should fix even more. Maybe in a few years it'll be worth owning.
Us devs hate it even more than you QA people do. This happens when mgmt comes up with ridiculous timelines and refuses to delay, resulting in releasing half-baked shit cuz the investors need their money!!! Multi-industry standard at this point and it's pathetic
I test drove one with the buggy software. It's a great drive solid build and I'd rather have it with bugs as part of the 'movement' than wait for it all to be ironed out just perfect. Fisker's service has also not been mentioned but have been very attentive to owners with issues.
The only really "minor" issue is the solar roof monitoring. I'd forget about it and wouldn't care. But the other ones? Those are actual asset swap videogame bugs.
My neighbour has this car. I was shovelling snow in our shared driveway, and the car suddenly just unlocked the doors and exposed the door handles for no reason 😂 It seems to have huge issues with the cold climate in Norway.
Your neighbor probably butt-unlocked the car with the FOB in their pocket. I've seen this several times with newer cars. Sometimes it pops the trunk as well, super annoying, and a security risk.
EVs are shit in really cold climates no matter what brand we are talking about. Imagine a proper snowstorm that blocks traffic in the middle of nowhere? Batteries will run out and everyone stuck is seriously fucked.
Find it so crazy how they’re not comfortable with you reviewing the car before the update but are happy to take peoples money for a car they don’t believe in
Being able to floor it in "Earth Mode" is probably a safety feature. Even if you are in eco-mode, you need to be able to access more acceleration in an emergency situation.
I would have considered it to be more of a comfort than a safety feature. I drive a BMW i4M50, which has a dual motor setup and 4 drivemodes. In eco-pro mode only the rear engine is on, in comfort mode both engines are used but limited to around 85% of the maximum power, sport mode is the same but different suspension setup, only in sport boost mode you can use 100% of the maximum power. Which means you would need to constanty switch between eco-pro and comfort or sport if you need more acceleration for overtaking and such. That is quite annoying, so I only use comfort for normal roads or sport boost on the autobahn. Having the option to drive in eco-pro and getting full power when flooring the pedal like the fisker seems like a more comfortable solution.
It could be both. Having drive by wire opens up a bunch of possibilities for control response but also opens up a lot of design questions about user experience and safety. It's interesting to see how different design teams tackle the problem. @@Genesis19623
The sunroof opening with all the other windows opening is a heat dump mode for a very hot summer day. You get in the truck, on a very sunny summer day, and it's a 120 degrees inside, this opens everything up and gets the heat out quick, so the ac unit does not have to work as hard to cool the inside of the truck.
Calling the Model 3 "The Perfect Starter EV" and then calling this the "Worst Car I've Ever Reviewed" is insane! Just how much Tesla stock do you own Marques?
I have a 2021 VW ID.4 (the first year) and I loved the way that it drove but the software was HORRIBLE and that really killed how I felt about the car, and VW, overall. The infotainment system was incredibly laggy and super buggy and many electrical things wouldn't work reliably, like the rear liftgate and some of the safe driving features. After just over a year, I was able to bring my car into the dealer for a software update. Almost all of the problems were addressed and now the car is WAY better with almost none of the previous frustrations being an issue any longer. All of this to say that these new electric cars have some kinks to work out, with the Fisker being no exception. I know how frustrating these issues can be and hopefully Fisker makes the changes that are needed to make the car an exciting one to own. I especially wish this as I have an order in with Fisker and have waited on pulling the trigger and completing the order until they work some of these things out. But at least its good to hear that they got the driving fundamentals right. Software issues can usually be fixed. The way a car drives is much tougher to address, if it can be addressed at all.
Exactly. That VW infotainment is scandalously bad. I am honestly surprised noone senior was fired, like the CEO because even the most basic use of it would suggest it was not fit for launch.
reminds me of trying to pair with my 2015 honda civic. still to this day i use aux because the pairing works only half the time, and when i get it to work it has a noticeable 2-3 second delay
Imagine after exceeding the 500 Limit, you have to pay for every extra Boost or get an "Unlimited Boost" Subscribtion like BMW does for Heated Seats. Then they really played the Subscribtion Game! The only better thing would be a limit for hard braking.
@brightsunsingh so everyone is allowed to fix their issues? Car manufacturing is not easy. Ford has over 100 years and still makes errors. People make RU-vid videos like it's gospel. Watch the videos and the title is click bait.
Connected to the internet... as someone who's studied cyber-sec to a certain degree i just gotta say... scary. I've seen the video of the car being hacked on the highway. Lol if they messed up that much on the user side of the software, i can only imagine what a state the back-end security of the software is. I hope it's well secured but... companies hate investing in cyber-security b/c it doesn't generate profit unless that's literally what your business sells, and the people in charge usually don't understand the gravity or many, many ways of being compromised until it happens. Remember when a 1000 or more Tesla cars just got remotely shut off due to a glitch? Well what if a hacker got into whatever server/service controls that. Whether it's individual car security or the security of the servers it communicates with, it's hella important. Of course "nothing is 100% secure" BUT there is a difference btw high hanging, headache inducing security (hard + high-effort, hopefully w/ multiple complex steps + lots of time investment + no single point-of-failure, etc) and very low hanging security (easy + low effort + small investment of time to accomplish, etc). I am curious what most of these EVs are running their computers on (linux is my best guess?) Idk though, i'm not a car guy
Bro. I am a Tesla Model X owner, my wife has Model 3, my coworkers has Model S and Model Y. Hey Tesla actually is very close to being the worst car not only tested, but actually out on the road. The rattle noise in all our Tesla cars are amazingly annoying. My wife's Model 3 long range has rain water coming into the trunk even after Tesla service center has previously installed a new rubber trim around trunk lid opening. Then, my coworkers Teslas, my wife's Tesla, my Tesla all have rattle noise. You know how Tesla save time in their manufacturing process by not using screws, but only to snap interior panels and try to secure the interior panels that way, then as the car bodies flex while travelling on uneven surface or making a turn, rattle noise start to remind you that you are driving a Tesla vehicle. Hey, my wife's Model 3 and my coworkers' Model Ys and Model 3s come only with one screen. The lack of a second "smaller" screen behind the steering wheel means drivers of Tesla cars have to do everything about their car function in one single screen. I was on I-5, trying to make a u-turn after getting to an offramp, once L-turn signals was engaged, the stupid small rear-view cam showed up and blocked the left upper portion of the screen. I tried to to other adjustments on the screen for my car feature, it was stupidly blocked by that particular L-turn rear-view cam which just popped up. Normally, I would have a second smaller screen on my Model X, which I find very useful. The Ocean SUV has that second smaller screen. Hey bro, you know the stupid Tesla glove box sometimes get stuck and would not electronically open. I have been back to the Tesla service center multiple times to resolve (rain leaking into trunk issue, left-rear mirror stops folding and unfolding, multiple rattle notise issues, panel gap issues, and my wife's Model 3 just start to have the famous ball joint issue for both Model 3 and Model Y vehicles, that the rear motor of my Model X died 4000 miles ago, and it needed to be replaced. Hey, you know Tesla make the worst car I, my wife and my coworkers have every driven as consumers. Hey bro. I know a lot of youtubers like you own Tesla stocks and you guys never disclose about it. Hey bro, I know that you realize Tesla is selling fewer cars than expected for 2024, so you RU-vidrs are doing whatever you can to help Tesla sell more by downpaying or even bullying newcomers (including some RU-vidrs are saying R2 of Rivian also have bad design problem, etc.) Hey bro, you know what? What you are doing today will surely come back and bite you harshly. Watch and learn. I have Tesla, my wife own Tesla, my coworkers own their Teslas, but Tesla make the worst cars out there. Also, good luck with getting the officially stated ranges for your Teslas. Remember this are words from real Tesla cars owners. Have I mentioned Tesla service sucks. you have made an appointment with the Tesla Service Center, and they suddenly move your appointment to a totally different day right on the day before your appointment. It is so frustrating both with Tesla products and Tesla service. The worst auto company in the world is Tesla. Don't even get me started on how fast the depreciation of Tesla cars have been. My coworkers' Plaid Model S was purchased at 133,000 USD, he tried to see what Tesla could give him if he trade it in for a Model X Plaid since he was expected a newborn. Tesla only gave him 69,000 USD after 1.5 years of ownership of his S Plaid. Tesla is so hilarious. And thanks to your seemingly biased reviews of EVs by new EV companies. You don't even know how to rotate the screen huh? Have you ever done your due diligence and learn the vehicle before you start your so-called "review"? Last time a non-Tesla owner had the review of a Tesla on RU-vid, she could not figure out how to turn on the car when actually pressing the brake pedal would turn on the car, you know what happened? She was bullied by Tesla owners who watched her video. You are lucky that Fisker owners don't do the same here to you. Bro. how old are you? Can't figure out how to rotate a screen? Let me do this bullying for real Fisker owners as a Tesla owner.
12:13 IMO you should get full power when you floor the acceleration pedal on any car, on any driving mode. Because you wouldn't floor it if it wasn't for an urgent need to do so. And you don't want to fiddle with driving modes when it's urgent to floor the pedal
@@venkinta3343yes that should not be a thing. You floor a pedal cause you want 100% of the car on your back that’s it, no extra steps if you are in an emergency situation
Totally agree with this. Or, just always leave it on sport or whatever and only floor it when you need it. "Eco" mode is just keep your foot out of it.
Quite concerning that Marques wants to handicap his performance on the public highways because he wants to "Chill". Yes, I have my car in Eco mode permanently, it runs on two cylinders when I'm cruising at certain revs/speed without change, but I can floor it and the power will be there just like whenever I need it. I reckon he'd realise the stupidity of what he said if we pointed out that in Chill Mode, the brakes would be capped too, so that emergency stop requires you to fiddle with a button and cycle menu.
Red and blue flashing lights on the dash at night has to be one of the most ridiculous oversights I’ve ever heard of. Has nobody at Fisker ever driven a car before? Or are they unaware that cops exist?
Not every contry use that conbination of colors though and/or have police cars hanging on every corner. Here it's just automatic speed/infraction control by radar and camera and you get the ticket in the "mail". If you don't pay it doesen't end up in court but is just deducted from your sallary or pension. (and the busted taillight situation is a limited situation because of mandatory 2year inspection after 6years of age)
@@Tharkz "Not every country use that combination of colors".. You haven't traveled.. its either those colors or red.. its all the same, and this is for an AMERICAN market so how is your point valid?
This review didn't blow up as much as the humane AI one, even though the title was kinda similar, because the product being reviewed isn't something that the masses are likely gonna use. First off, not a lot of peeps are out there thinking about buying a car. Second, Fisker Ocean? What's that even? 🚗💭
This is a balanced and honest review. Plenty positives mentioned by my brother here in addition to the cons. Fisker just didnt like the opening statement and the title of the video.
Insane? It's insane it even has that insane boost launch. It's a freaking bone they're throwing you. They could just remove it, not have to worry about the wear and warranty and still sell a crazy fast car.
Big mistake to a company rush to get a unfinished product into the market. It's sign of financial despair. If they don't act soon, the brand is doomed.
I believe we need to hold back with the criticisms and give the Fisker Ocean a chance. We will soon be dealing with BYD electric cars from China and Tesla has priced themselves out of existence.
What's worse is that those tray table things could be installed in the seat gap. There's always filler space there... that place pens and french fries always find. A solution that covers that space would be interesting, and solve the "seat position" issue because it's attached to the seat rather than the center console.
Still way better than the interior of the cyber truck. From heads up display, physical controls, working back window and rear view mirror, no janky front windshield with huge corner blindspots. Tray is awesome idea. They both share the tiny mirror though. And lack of glovebox is bad. Outside this car is gorgeous. Although that's subjective. Watching his review of the cybertruck and then this makes me think he's a Tesla shill. Cybertruck is objectively worse from a design standpoint (functionally and aestethically). Software updates need to happen for this vehicle obviously. And thats unacceptable, but the issues shown were fairly minor. And sounds like most are/have alrdy been fixed. Screen takes 3 seconds to flip? My phone does too. Sometimes it doesn't flip at all. Complaining about having to keep foot on the brake like it's a deal breaker? Come on, man. Meanwhile tesla praised while saying FSD is imminent for nearly a decade and charging 10-15k for it on every car. FSD is not coming. Tesla charging people for stuff they dont deliver is a huge part of the business. Not to mention the cybertruck is 2 years late, 20k more than advertised, and they've only managed to push out 1k vehicles so far. Oh I forgot, those late, higher cost vehicles don't come with basics like the hubcaps they've been advertising. So pretty questionable giving Tesla a pass to roll out physical parts of the "truck" like the top light, hubcaps, extra battery (say goodbye to half of the trunk space that's already smaller than some compact cars), basic coating to prevent rusting (or $5k surcharge lol) after delivering the vehicle (how long after is not clear). Oh, not to mention the software patches Tesla also rolls out - not actual FSD though. Oh, and don't mention the pedestrians killed already.
There’s this ongoing trend in American product development where the venture capital or board members have unrealistic expectations about a product release cycle, and I think this is yet another victim of the “get this to market now” mentality. It’s so shortsighted and I doubt there would ever be any complaints that they waited until the product was ready and it actually succeeded, but the people behind the money just underestimate how public perception of a launch can create an unnecessary hole for them to climb out of. It’s a setback that’s easily avoided simply by allowing more time. The public should never see a MVP, but that’s almost exclusively what the public sees these days and it’s not pretty.
You would think after seeing the trends and how this f's up releases those people would learn their lesson but I guess not. I guess sometimes the workers just overwork themselves or just produce excellence by a mix of skill and luck and they get away with short production cycles enough to not get the point.
I'm a game dev and yeah this absolutely screamed "launch now, patch later" mentality. It's part of the twisting nest of thorns that is slowly choking the life out of the game industry, and I'm sad (though not at all surprised) to see it getting it's hooks into automotive now that's it's so software focused. Hopefully they learn better lessons than we did; I feel like the average soccer mom is gonna be MUCH more turned off of spending $30k+ on a buggy mess of a vehicle they expect to drive for 10 years than the average gamer would on spending $60 on a crappy game.
You aren't wrong. But when you are dealing with Startups and Funding, "get this to market now" can be part of the Make/Break of a company. If their issues were primarily software related, then they know they can address that along the way. But if it's a hardware issue, that can tank them in the long run. So you know where all the primary focus and funding goes too. Companies do forget that software is important but it takes teams of people to get there. But companies don't see software or IT development as well funded as it should be.
Or better yet, make sure you have enough money to bring it to market and shut your mouth until you know it's ready.. So sick of hearing marketing hype about things that are years and years away from being ready
That's because it's based on failed technology. Having a battery sealed into the car so you have to sit and wait while it get's recharged, is as stupid as driving a gasoline powered car, and then having to go to a refinery and wait while they manufacture the gasoline to refuel it. EV's should have been designed to exchange standardized battery packs at service stations, and the consumer gets charged for the energy which has been used up to that point; the ' used battery pack' gets exchanged for a fully charged one, which should only take a minute, with the battery pack on a sliding rack under the car that connects to the vehicle with bayonet connectors. In and out of the service station in minutes or even seconds. but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, we have to cowtow to the rich vehicle designers who want to maintain a steady state of their own proprietary designed batteries that have to be recharged at a 'recharging station' of their own design, so they can continue to get richer, meanwhile the consumers get stuck twidling their dick waiting for their cars to recharge, sometimes going up in flames because it necessitates a 'quick charge' state in those onboard batteries, resulting in fires.
so many things that are just.. weird... it's like the company has never seen a car before, and got rid of so many common features.. and the entire software thing just seems... oef..
I worked at GM on one of their (web) software teams and they started rerouting all ton of software people toward what they called “software defined vehicle.” The issues shown in this video iterate exactly why the idea of that made my skin crawl. A vehicle is first and foremost a means of transportation. Software features should enhance and add to that experience after (and ONLY after) all the basic features found in cars from the ‘90s (or earlier for that matter) are absolutely rock solid. Technology, especially in a personal transportation setting, should get out of the user’s way and make using things less complicated and cumbersome, not more.
Yeah car companies are drooling over the idea of being able to have a standardized EV chassis for all their vehicles and then "define" each specific car/SUV/Truck via software. Everything from the handling characteristics, performance, features....etc. Where the battery sled or Skateboard only differs by the number of electric motors and size of the battery pack. And then you just plot down whatever body type/chassis on top of that as standardized "sled".
These new EV’s look soulless, unimaginative and ultimately a waste of time. Why would a car enthusiast part ways with their hard earned money for one I have absolutely no idea….
Well, you want to turn cars into electric appliances, you're going to get an electric appliance reviewer to review it, and he's gonna review it like it's an electric appliance. The circle of suck
Or simply titling the video the way he did for clicks. It's very intent based. This guy's review, which sounded more. Positive than negative, hinged in bad software. Basically Tesla MO for more than a decade. He's a Tesla simp... Nuff said
Yeah, I came here because of the noise in the media. The review is completely fine, the title is click bait. Demanding to wait for a magical '2.0 update' is completely unreasonable however. If they have released the product for customers to buy, that is what should be reviewed, not some promised future dream. And I learned I will never buy this car, as it has way too many technical gismoz that are so custom, they are gonna be really expensive to repair when they stop working. It's none the less impressive if they managed to release this car if it lasts long and the driving is good.
@@Growlizing it drives like a dream. It's build solidly. The software got better 2.0. Wait a year and dive in... But the car is smooth as butta and turns a lot of heads
@@johnramos8703 that vehicle is not meant to be taken seriously. If you have 100k plus to throw away... You're OK with wasting money. Way better cars out there for that price tag. Also, this dude ain't a car reviewer. I watched a couple of reviews of his after the fisker review... They're weak. He doesn't know how to review them. And I'm not mad. I don't live in the internet. I think it's funny how overblown Wall Street and simps worked to tank fisker... Albeit with valid concerns. I recall Tesla going through a lot of this over the past decade. This is nothing new for early adopters
@@DaneRossenrode First time I sat in a tesla I was surprised that screens in cars can actually be non-garbage lol.... still weird i had to use it to activate the wiper
@@kipchickensout I don't know the timeline for all the small details they changed with the additional wiper controls so definitely possible that it wasn't like that a year ago but anyway: When you press the wiper button, the wiper options pop up on the screen but today you can control those with the left scroll wheel on the steering wheel too. They added a little visual animation that demonstrates the scroll wheel controls when you pop up the wiper options but I'm sure that animation wasn't there a year ago.
As Tesla car owners, I and my wife want the openable Sunroof, the solar panels (since we should harness as much renewable and sustainable energy as we can), the rotating touchscreen is great due to sometimes it is used for movies (when horizontal), sometimes for navigation (when vertical), the electronic rear-mirror is great (since Tesla rear mirrors are so small and the sloping back pillars and windows is a joke all together), the tray table option due to we love to eat snack in our cars while watching movies in the car, especially when we are at Supercharging locations during our trips. The buttons to control AC are great since in the Tesla, when we watch movies, we cannot change the AC setting without minimizing the Movies first, kind of annoying on the Tesla cars. The California mode on this Fisker Ocean is awesome, can really have our big dogs chill with us by the beach. The problem with Tesla cars is that the sloping rear roof line makes it too low for our big dogs to feel comfy. So a lot of Fisker designs make sense, but not to this reviewer. LOL
What absolute dribble. Did your dogs tell you they find the Tesla uncomfortable? “Hmmm Raymond, this rear seat is mighty uncomfortable, I sure wish we were in the Fisker, with California mode, do better human” said the dog, in English. Are you buying a car to get you from a to b or to watch movies in?
I love solar panels on cars. Not for adding range, but for running ventilation during the summer. Helping circulate air makes a huge difference on how hot the interior gets.
There is a reason they are hardly used on electric cars. They are not big enough to provide any meaningful amount of power for how much they cost to manufacture. 2-3 miles of range a day, and I'm assuming that is only in perfect conditions, is almost nothing. Car companies would rather spend that money on a slightly bigger battery.
It does seem kinda useful if you're eating, or want to have a laptop open when charging though, so I kinda like it. Though with the odd choice not to fit a glovebox, you do kinda need the space though.
Not only is the idea questionable, the most insane part is how weak it is. So weak that they have to put a warning label on it. I could probably justify giving up the space if it was a high quality and strong tray. But its not. I’m a big fan of quirky things but, I genuinely can’t understand what the benefits are from most of these quirks.
if my memory from my time at ford serves me right, ford has something very similar in a lot of their higher end truck trims. i also recall there being a part number for something called a "tampon holder" (not joking) that you can order to put in where the tray would normally go.
Big ups to marques for keeping it genuine and honest and simulating the real purchase experience instead of having the car delivered to be fit for review
This is the straight up modern videogame industry approach where you release something totally buggy and unfinished and say you'll fix it eventually with updates after you get people's money, except this is something with genuine safety implications lmao
So you think the Ford model T for example, had no issues whatsoever when it first came out? That’s not how it works. A lot of things usually need updates after being released no matter what it is.
Literally everything software based does that approach, from video games to phones to cars. Every EV out there has had many, many updates. They also have all had recalls. All except Fisker that is, with six months of customer deliveries and not a single recall yet. Most of them get their first recall within a couple months.
@@Pasi123 and I can guarantee you the 1908 Ford Model T is not the exact same as the 1927 Ford Model T. My point being products will always go through updates, yeah, this car had a lot of bugs but it’s the first model, the car will be eventually updated like other products, software update, or a physical update to the car etc.
Henrick Fisker designed the BMW Z8, which is objectively one of the best looking cars designed during that era, so it makes sense that it at least looks pretty good.
Cars with tablets for their functions is a huge no for me. That's not tech that lasts decades and is very dangerous to try and use while driving. It's such new and finicky tech that you can't just take it to your local mechanic, you HAVE to bring it back to the dealership, which I never want to be limited like that. Your mechanic shouldn't have to double as IT. There also have already been countless accidents from touchscreen controls being pushed so much, but I do think it's good Fisker added physical buttons as well. I still don't trust the tablet, though. But doesn't matter, Fisker seems to be crashing and burning at the moment regardless.
This guy is nitpicking, the bones are there and the button on the steering wheel is annoying if it changes when turning but apart from that a software update fixes everything, hardly the worst car ever or he is so young he doesn’t remember when the first teslas were released and all the software update needed
Dude, you pretty much just described most of the Aston Martin cars. in fact, not sure if you knew, Henrik Fisker was the original designer for the DB9/Vantage platform. i think it's kinda funny that a lot of the old "features" got carried over. not sure if he's just obsessed with those design choices or not. ie. everything from the tiny small visor/mirror -yes it really is that tiny inside an Aston Martin DB9/Vantage. i know this, because i have one - to the incredibly short range of key fob operating radius where you literately have to stand right next to the door to operate. I guess, Henrik Fisker always considered the fact that when you're an MI6 spy, you don't want to accidently unlock your top secret super car unless if you're right next to it. Instrumental software also doesn't always work as it should inside an Aston Martin. It seems that a lot of the issues with this car is software related, which is kinda sad. we live in a day and age now that most of our driving experiences are dictated by software. Although I think it's a bit harsh to title the video as the "worst car", i do think that they rushed the delivery of the Ocean. a lot of the annoyances seem to stem from bugs and poor interface experience that mostly resemble a beta software release. Here is to hope that they can turn it around because we only need more competition in this market place. because i really do not want to be just another Tesla driver.
he said the worst car HE ever reviewed. I've watched tons of his reviews, I trust and value his very informed opinion, and this man is so fair and optimistic in his delivery that i'd be willing to guess this car is probably worse then he let on. The fact that Aston Martin has any connection with this vehicle is totally irrelevant. What ever DNA was carried over from previous iterations does not address the present needs and desires of present day consumers. as for being an M16 spy?.....seriously?
Current Aston Martin Vantages use Mercedes electronics which work as well as anything out there. I have never had any problems with my 2022 Vantage key fobs. It is a fun car to drive and handles much better than the previous version. It is much easier to see out of than most cars.
Fisker has made it quirky for the sake of being quirky, they will never sell many, hardly any compared to Tesla because Tesla’s are sensible sorted and work every time
So this one 20 minute video took down an entire company. They weren’t able to secure more investor money and their stock has been delisted now. That is the power of RU-vid now.
yup, and on top of this being a dishonest review (getting a used broken car with software no one was using at the time), he didn't go back to review 2.0 like he said he would.
@@JJ-yy5us Doesnt matter, you dont launch a car with software like this, you just dont. And Fisker is known for releasing unfinished products, Karma looked good but was a piece of utter shit and dangerous as its known to catch fire in not only the batteries but also the ICE. And the Emotion which Fisker took money for never even arrived. Anyone who bought this vehicle with Fisker`s history arent very good at making financial decisions.
@@TheGamingNorwegian ok and Tesla has recalled like thousands and millions of vehicles all the time over software, including auto pilot, causing a 1000 crashes (way worse in my opinion than a few annoying bugs fisker has) But hey, nobody makes a big deal a Tesla can potentially run over someone while you're in it letting it do the driving because it's justified just for being a Tesla. Just to point out the biasness. Literally no EV has ever rolled out without bugs , yet its blown up with Fisker.
@@Luciferisking512devil's advocate: with constant software updates providing more and more functionality to vehicles, as well as all kinds of Internet connected tech, how do you define when tech is "done". If Marques extends this courtesy to Fisker, does he do it for every new car coming out? Does he wait months until it's "done", just to miss out of the viewership and revenue? You can throw that accusation at a lot of RU-vidrs, maybe even justifiably so, but their time is valuable. Schedules are very tight. Pushing this project back on the promise of possible software updates in the future could fuck up his whole production schedule and might not even benefit the original review of the Ocean in the first place. Most reviewers go off the rule: "If it's ready for the consumer, it's ready to review." If you felt confident enough in your product to bring it to market, it's better be fucking ready to roll. The car has been on market since June of 2023. No fucking excuse, they should have had it fixed already. Should Marques come back and review it if the updates are substantial? Maybe? But again, time trade offs. He could put that time to re-reviewing a car that probably nobody cares about, or a new product more people would be interested in. I get where you're coming from (I think) in terms of desiring accountability and accuracy from people who give factual information about expensive tech products. But let's set some reasonable expectations.
As a safety feature, going full power 11:54 when flooring it makes total sense. AFAIK it’s called kick-down on most cars. Different drive modes should change the acceleration response, except for situations when you floor it. When you see a truck heading up your way while doing a pass, you don’t want to be pressing any other extra buttons. Love your work, Marques
Wait til states like California(and I’m sure eventually others) mandate manufacturers to limit the max speed based on posted speed limits…. I saw an article that CA is already trying to get this passed.
The title of this video is dishonest. Fisker could possibly consider retaliating against it. Many of the items mentioned are more of a matter of preference. Just because he’s not “used to” these items, doesn’t make it the “worst car.”
Seems to be the case with all electric cars, really. Software fine tuning is way harder because electronics can pretty much do anything you ask and it’s very easy to implement lots of stuff and then have it a mess instead of going with a little and be able to refine it.
I believe that is accurate af. The decision meeting might have gone like: ok, it's crap right now ,but can we solve everything afterwards via ota? Gimme a yes or no. - noooooaaayyyeeess sir, boss sir.
Absolutely, I was part of a suppliers development team working on the fisker. Henrik said at kickoff he thinks that cars should be developed like mobile phones - in 18 months. That didn't age that well... 😅
The fact that we have to depend on software for features like vehicle auto hold and stuff, points to the fact that when the software crashes, you will be stranded or driving off a cliff while good car brands like Toyota and others will continue to work because not everything has to be software related in a machine like a car. Car are about mechanics and not software. The good car brands have succeeded for years because of their engineering of good mechanics, not because of a massive screen in the middle and software update for the car to function properly. EV car brands like this might be exciting but it's a disaster waiting to happen.
