Actually Cao Cao and both Xiahous are cousins as well. His father, Cao Song was born as Xiahou but was adopted by Cao Teng, thus taking over the surname of Cao instead of continuing with Xiahou.
It's actually historically contentious from what I've read. The SGZ and official records of Wei never stated that Cao Cao and Xiahou Dun and Xiahou Yuan are really cousins or not. Also the Xiahou's and Cao family also had a history of intermarriage, so them being cousins would be kinda weird.
@@2402Stevo bro of course cao cao, xiahou dun & yuan was all cousins. It wouldn't make sense otherwise. Cao cao spend most of his early life studying to be a minster to royal and nobles like Yuan Shao which is why they was so close. Dun & Yuan was training to be generals on damn near the other side of China. There's no logical reason for Dun or Yuan to sell all their belongings and provide 2 thirds of Cao Cao starting army not to mention have unwavering loyalty to him. Specially considering Dong Zhou wanted Cao Cao head and was located directly next to Dong Zhou. Who had control of the capital and emperor.
Major events in Cao Cao's life (wikipedia): 155 Born in Qiao 180s Led troops against Yellow Turban Rebellion in Yingchuan 190 Joined the coalition against Dong Zhuo 196 Received Emperor Xian in Xu City 200 Won the Battle of Guandu 208 Lost the Battle of Red Cliff 213 Created Duke of Wei and given ten commanderies as his dukedom 216 Received the title King of Wei 220 Died in Luoyang Enthroned posthumously as Emperor Wu.
@@Aizen2468 Yep. Cao Cao was a known sexual deviant. He gets off on cuckholding respectful noble man and violating respected noble women. This might be his only serious character flaw. He got one of his sons and almost himself killed on one of these home brew "porn" stunts where the cuckholded husband break the script and decided to man up and die honorably to redeem himself and his wife.
You completely missed the fact that his Rice paddy agricultural garrison provides a +10% replenishment faction wide. It's absolutely insane if you manage to take some territory in the south.
Superb. And pronounced cao cao 85% correct. Fun fact cao cao in Chinese 曹操are two different characters but same pronunciation. the First cao is family name, does not have any meanings. The Second cao is his first name which you will never find modern Chinese use it. Because it means 'fuck' 'make love' 'operation' 'drilling'. Most of the time it means fuck. 😂 so he is a big man with a big name. No one dare use it today.. And if you use caocao to describe three kingdom is ok. Because everybody know him. But if you in other situations type cao without any other words. It is means 'fuck' and it is the most famous dirty word in China. Cao = fuck Cao ni ma = fuck your mother
@@thevoxdeus In addition to being a mostly American thing, General Tso's Chicken is actually named after Zuo (Tso) Zongtang, a Chinese general and statesman of the Qing dynasty--almost 1,700 years after the time of Cao Cao.
@@quickpawmaud dude, did you even watch Donkey Liu Bei campaign? he in desperate need of strategist right now, and if something like that happen during the challenge run, then hes pretty much dead
TheLeaderX1 depending on the challenge you are doing you would have to research the unique generals you are guaranteed to get and units unique to the faction I would personally pick Sun Jian for cavalry only as all of his children are Calvary lords
@@quickpawmaud yeah and you wait for years till they old enough to lead while you pray to god in the mean time for a few more lords to bolster the army
Oh definitely, I was expecting these Faction Overviews to be more popular than the regular Let's Plays but so far that's proven to be wrong. That said they're still easily doing well enough for me to keep putting in the effort. I really enjoy making these videos even though they take a long time to make, and I imagine people will keep finding them helpful as they did with my Shogun 2 Clan Overviews as well. That's enough for me to keep doing them.
@@MrSmartDonkeyLP You know. I think everyone just wants to watch a lets play because they cant get their hands on it... therefore the lets play let them see the new systems, the battles and all the meat. But a few weeks after launch these faction overviews and in-depth videos like them will be what people seek out to find the deeper details of each faction or game system. I heard some reviewers complaining that the spy system is not well explained in-game... so perhaps we could even get an overview of systems like that in the future?
I know that it was most likely for balance reasons, but the fact that Cao Ren is not a legendary general is ridiculous considering he has crossed swords and wits with almost every famous general at one point or another; most notably multiple times against Guan Yu.
Can you do Sun Jian next? I'm interested to see how his mercenary mechanic works and how good the mercenaries are. Will be picking up the game with your code. Thanks!
@@MrSmartDonkeyLP I mean, it only makes sense. You've already done Cao Cao of Wei and Liu Bei of Shu, might as well cap off the trio with Sun Jian of Wu
If I could offer some constructive criticism, I'd like to see more on how best to build the faction's army and expand within their mechanics. In the Shogun 2 videos, you talk about what to build, what to capture next (as you do here), but go on further, talking about what cities to take 10 turns or more in and how you can build your army to be most powerful in end game (ie, in Shogun 2 Otomi, you talked about demolishing the Nanban Trade Port and building it in the other city for the Portugese Tercos). I know that it's early days yet for that, but that's the one thing these videos are missing.
I personally like these faction overviews as no one else is doing them and I mainly want to see the stats of the unique faction units as well as the faction specialization. I'll be able to figure out how to play the campaign for myself. More about deciding which faction I'd like to play as.
I'd thought about doing the "Army Composition" category too but it'd be a lot more random in Three Kingdoms because of the different roles generals have. I would have to make several different armies for each combination and it would add a lot of time on the video, I think people appreciate the concise nature of these videos. Information is nice to have, but too much information becomes hard to follow. That, on top of the few unique units meant I decided against it for these, but I wouldn't exclude it from a different type of video in the future. As for how to expand, I don't go into too much depth and rather just give a few early tips because it's hard to say, in Shogun 2 I'd played every clan several times from start to finish and I could make good informed decisions on where to expand. In Three Kingdoms I've played most factions, but 90% of them only sparsely. I played Liu Bei, and Cao Cao a fair amount but even then, that's only 1 campaign, the next campaign could be completely different, so I'd rather not give the advice than give poor advice.
Was actually waiting for this to go on sale as it's 60 on steam, with your code and it currently being on sale on 2game I picked it up for 40 even, thanks for recommending them, and I'll gladly let you get paid for it
I’d like to see Kong Rong done next, I want to play a strategist, plus nobody seems to be covering him (I also like being factions that aren’t super popular)
Keep up the good work. I've actually checked out alot of other peoples videos and you play at the perfect pace for myself to enjoy. And I really want these faction videos to continue. They seem really well done for me, someone that always has trouble starting a campaign due to not wanting to sink hours into a faction I'm not completely sure about. Thanks
The aesthetic of Xiahou Dun and Tiger cavs looked awfully like they are from the Asian Steppe pre 14th century. Basically, they look like they belong in Mongol or Hunnic horde. Is this a hint at some historical background?
We fought the nomads a lot, from Xiongnu (related to Hun) to Mongols. They are known to be exellent horsemen. Many close to or in our northern territory were drafted into the army, such as Ma Chao's Xi Liang cavs (西凉铁骑). Dressing like a nomad when on horse has been a thing since the warring state. 胡服骑射 was a policy incorporated by King Ling of Zhao during the warring state to make his cavalry adapt Hu (ancient Chinese name for the nomadic ethinic groups in the north) clothing to help them perform better at horse archery.
汉武帝, the wu (martial) emperor of Han driven the Xiongnu so far back into the nortern land that they cease to be a problem for some time. Xiongnu was once the most powerful group in the north. Some thereolised that the xiongnu was driven west and mixed with caucasian people and become the hun known to romens. The nomadic generals and warlords that decide to bow to the Chinese Emperor were sometimes given a new special Chinese name and given position in the imperial court, they will take their nomadic cavs with them of course.
Cao Cao famously defeated the nomadic Wuhuan people in the north and incorporated many of them into his ranks. It makes sense that his heavy cavalry would have a nomadic twist to it.
Playing as Cao Cao in three kingdoms was fun. As I've been pressing hard on my advances. It's funny how I broke the three kingdoms. I should've be enemies with Liu Bei but made allies and trades with him XD. I made allies and trades with Sun Jian but he died and now it's his son whose taken over whose my only major enemy enemy cuz they controlled most of the southern provinces across the river. Most of my elite troops have been kept in major provinces especially when I'm still cleaning up on the northern provinces. I've finished taking out Ma Teng and Gongsun zan. And with the help of the two bandits faction. I have Liu Xie kept alive cuz I was trying so hard to get allied with the Han empire faction but they failed to be my ally so I took them over. I'm clean sweeping the southern lands of the bottom left cuz there's the barbarians who I don't wanna deal with later.
Mr Donkey please do Dong Zhuo next. I am a huge fan of Heavy Cavalry and want to know how Xiliang Cavalry rate in your eyes. Also... Lu Bu. The one monster to end them all. Can you do a test, after launch to see who, between Guan Yu and Lu Bu is stronger, when both are at equal level?
In your first turn in Cao Cao campaign send Cao Ren to an assignment supervising over the building to lower the upgrading cost and time needed, the 2nd turn you should make an inn instead to decrease any further upgrade on agriculture building, you don't need any further food resources and building inn always have a fast ROI.
Surely I'm not the only one, Cao Cao is the main one people joke about so I'd imagine many people can pronounce him properly. Either way, appreciate the compliment, hope you enjoyed the video.
@MrSmartDonkeyLP: Responding to your reply. I don’t know what kind of people told you that your pronunciation is spot on? Your pronunciation is closer to the sound “ChowChow” and sometime sounded like “TowTow”. In cantonese it sound more like “ChoCho”. In mandarin you still can make out the sound “ChoCho”. You’re using Mandarin dialect. Also Mandarin from Twain and from Mainland China is different. You’re not either one. Perhaps hybrid if that make sense. I do appreciate your uploads. Very informative. Thank you. The movie Red Cliff in Mandarin is a good one to hear how they say CaoCao. Thanks for replying. :)
Cav are not strongest unit in game they are overpriced and most of the time die to range before they reach enemy lines, at which point their charge is nullified by silly hero buffs.
@@MrSmartDonkeyLP When I used them I would also get many kills, as goes with any high tier unit. Since AI is dogshit. When I used archers + siege, AI would die before it even reached my army. Archer + Siege much more reliable and cheaper. Also good at Siege fights. In multiplayer cav is easy to counter. Reduced unit size, and increased fragility to archers really nerfed them as to previous iterations of total war.
Hmm was thinking bout starting with a Cao Cao campaign, but was never a Cavalry kinda guy, I use cavalry like how the Romans used cavalry early on, as an Auxiliary to support front line troops. But outta the 3 traditionally main kingdoms I align more with Wei after having read the Romance of the 3 Kingdoms novel. As a kid playing Dynasty Warriors, and partially because of how the games portrayed Cao Cao and Liu Bei, I liked Shu more but after actually reading the novel I found myself liking Shu a lot less than I would've thought. Gameplay wise I need to find either an Oda playstyle (which points towards Liu Bei but blahhhhh I don't wanna play Shu as my 1st campaign lol) or an emphasis on ranged warfare....
Cao Cao inhereted the han dynasty industrial areas. Historically his army was also specialized in heavy infantry due to the load of mills and factories in his industrialized cities. I'm guessing he would play with something like hammer and anvil. Use heavy infantry to hold position and use his deadly shock cavalry to deliver the blow.
My heavy tiger and leopard got wrecked by medium halberd cav, which I find absolutely shocking for such an expensive all-round unit. I honestly don't think his starting unit is even worth keeping until you have plenty of cash.
Because it was a *polearm/spear* unit! Polearms & spears are *very deadly* to cavalry, regardless of whether it's a cavalry or infantry unit, so you never, *ever* want to charge cavalry into Spear, Ji, Glaive, or Halberd units if you can avoid it. Have them circle around the enemy formation and then charge at the rear of the enemy formation once your infantry has the enemy front line engaged and less able to reposition in time to stop the cavalry charge. Cavalry is usually best-suited to charging into Archers (archers usually will Rout or Shatter very quickly after they get hit with a cavalry charge, and cavalry can usually plow through axe or sword infantry with minimal difficulty).
Awsome. vid keep them up. donno about you but here in Canada it's still cheaper to buy it off stem than the website and ur discount combined. our dollar sucks lol.
Not really a graphics bug, it's because of the camera command, you're basically inside of a unit so those arrows are sticking out of the guy's shield of whom we're inside.
Very well done, I like the style of your overview Videos, short but with all informations you could want Gongsun Zan, Ma Teng or Sun Jian would be great next
Do any body know why caocao faction cannot use turtle formation i try different general arrangements and even built a bran new but still cannot get it to work
Turtle is an advanced formation, usually granted by an Item. When the General has the item (or ability) that allows Turtle, you need to make sure that your units do not have "cannot use advanced formations" such as Milita units. These formation abilities (like Wedge) seem to apply to the retinue of the general with the item / ability, not to the entire army.
What about the legendary strategist Sima Yi (for Cao Cao) or Zhuge Liang (for Liu Bei)? Do you have a quest line to recruit them, or just an event? Can Liu Bei recruit Sima Yi before Cao Cao, and vice versa? wonder if these two will ever be their own faction, as vassal to some big guy (like the Tokugawa in S2).
I haven't seen what factions are available in this game, so can someone tell me if the following are options as of now?: Sun (Jian, Ce, or Quan) Dong Zhou Meng Hou He Jin Zhang Jiao Liu Zhang Ma Teng Liu Biao
for anyone actually interested in the real history, Liu Bei was the most evil, who actually betrayed Lu Bu first. Liu Bei has also fought his own allies and invaded neutral lands to achieve more territory. The truth is that he met very loyal friends and generals during his time as a student, and also gets the title of being a rags to riches kind of person, which is why peasants hailed him so godlike, 1000 years after the actual events. In reality, being poor does not guarantee a person will be morally good... all it takes is a taste of power to make someone completely change their own way of thinking. Cao Cao was actually the kindest who believed in equal rights and allowed the poor to rise up in class, but also was too kind to enemy generals, which may have lost him the war. Sun Quan teamed up against Liu Bei, but was also possibly going to team up with Liu Bei had Liu bei not invaded neutral lands and continued his campaign with Guan Yu against Cao Cao. Would it have mattered in the end? Probably not, the Jin would have won anyways as China's history is known for many civil wars and fragmented states.
You know, Liu Bei's case is similar to ours in slovakia: As long as you have strong and loyal friends who are your key people to stay in power, you will stay in power.
