Capitalism vs. Socialism: A Soho Forum Debate 

It’s actually Bernie vs Trump. Socialist vs capitalist

Smallhat v smallhat

Reuben Thomasson Lol you okay bro?

Its Bernie from Universe A versus Bernie from Universe B.

bernie sanders vs the demons in his head

We were

You learn that in college

Constant Christine Not necessarily and their are economics in high school but it is usually an AP course.

Big Bad Wolf you literally learn civics and economics in sophomore of your high school years

Big Bad Wolf nobody’s stopping you from reading books and educating yourself like everyone else. Btw a study showed that 60% of millionaires are self made and come from working class families. Also school isn’t meant to teach people how to become rich, it’s meant to teach people skills so that they can sell their labor in the market. You don’t need school to start a business

Socialism is the greatest threat to democracy and freedom of expression we face today.

goood

I wonder how old politicians go to sleep peacefully everyday inthis day and age when so many people are afraid and hungry everyday. It is is so sad. And they all want to be humanitarians while killings of innocents go on and on everyday.

They serve the same boss ( globaliste s) against a common ennemi which is the people.

Gene Epstein begins with an apology to Richard Wolff for an earlier outburst, he subsequently transitions into a critique that personalizes the concept of socialism to Wolff’s interpretations, rather than addressing the ideology in a broader sense. This strategy subtly shifts the debate from a general discussion to a more personal critique, which could be perceived as a nuanced form of personalization that edges towards underhanded critique, albeit within the bounds of formal respect. EDIT: Yeah... Gene is literally attacking Richard's character and whenever he touches on the primary subject he just gives examples of all the current problems we are living with...

I don't care either way, to be perfectly honest...

@@Loquacious_JacksonBetter to scream at each other instead?

@@browniepotato definitely more entertaining...

​@@Loquacious_Jackson social media and other technology has really messed up our brains, we can't even watch important stuff like debates if they aren't super entertaining for us? Maybe entertainment isn't a requirement for enrichment, maybe our population doesn't need to be entertained 24/7

​@@Loquacious_Jacksonwhy

Ironically like your text😉

Example: this comment.

Mr. Wolff offers nothing but rhetorical flourishes, strawmen, and conflation. What argument is there to address?

@aish b yeah, debates often do that.

Welcome to youtube comments!

I just made the decision to put down TikTok and watch this

@@Naomi-dt9rn it’s nice at first but ya eventually it’s good to put tik tok down and dive a little deeper

leave some respect for us mature ones 😭😂

@@varadhk3159 to be fair I’m only 18 so I don’t have room to talk, not hate to 17 year olds

Exactly lol I got tired of the same arguments over and over tiktok is a nice place to start though

Socialism was covered by 'Second Thought', but Capitalis mand 'System-Faiures' (like Prison-System in America) was better covered by 'Some More News'

@@slevinchannel7589 socialist propaganda

@@slevinchannel7589 What do you call someone who can't even spell even with an automatic a spell checker to help? A socialist...

Lmao 🤣🤣 Hate, at the the of the day, is what unites. 🤣🤣

A mix of both ideologies seems to be preferable.

@@applesnpears9828 The issue is the people with power they do not allow reform or give us the bare minimum. Government is protecting private interests over the madnesses, our capitalist society is not democratic it’s just a mess. Even the markets are bullshit now. So many issues with our systems today. If anyone here does favour capitalism I think even they would admit our market is definitely not free. Currently trying to learn the best approach to make things better.

@@applesnpears9828 congratulations you’ve come full circle and arrived at FDRs new deal

Socialism here. Was on the fence until the capitalist guy started talking s*** about the socialist rather than keeping it on the subject

Im learning about it right now in 12th grade lol

@@mystuff6045 definitely watch Richard wolffs stuff

Socialism and communism are two totally different from each other and barely any Americans even know that

Gimpzilla not totally different. All communist are pro socialism but not all socialist are pro communism. I do agree though a lot of people don’t know the difference.

Kenzz_mw yeah. Socialism is the community claiming the means of production, communism is the state.

*both proceed to talk about Bernie Sanders*

Eastern Europe jews

😁😁😁😁

@Sepher Agon hahahahhahah what

@Sepher Agon no need to be rude, honey.

Yeah, but then that would make us educated. They don't want that.

I couldn't agree more. I'm about as far from an academic or intellectual as one could get, a truck driver as a matter or fact, and this was just like pure nourishment for my brain i was instantly so engaged i fired off 3 or 4 comments before Mr Wolf even finished his opening statement.lol My point is the gatekeepers think the average Joe has no interest in any sort of long form or in depth philosophical discussion/debate when that couldn't be further from the truth. These are the big ideas that will shape our future for better or worse and as a society we should be breaking them down, scrutinizing and re-scrutinizing them constantly from all sides n angles.

@@buckyflex1 Intellectualism is about sonder interest in the truth, not profession. I wouldn't make the assumption that a truck driver is incapable of being an intellectual. Frankly, discussion of important economic ideas *must* include the working class. That is the driving force behind Marxist ideology, whether you think economic systems should be capitalist or not. Frankly, I would prefer a capitalist system where some board chairs are just employee representatives, almost like a company parliament. The thing is, this might actually be less efficient than just having the government impose a required board structure. Conversation as to what the best form of the system would be is up for debate, but all stakeholders, including employees, should be considered.

Like what @blackearl7891 said, the msm has an agenda and it is not to educate the masses, and if they do, then they educate the masses to what they want you to think not what might be true

@@buckyflex1 vary true my frend

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ok got it, thanks for the effort man, you are a blessing to the viewers of this video.👍🏻

Thanks

Thanks man.

Bless you

Wow all of a sudden I feel like a hero for taking like 10 minutes to scrub through this video

Lmfao I love how I know what meme you’re referring to

@@Htiy Memes transcend language.

He was absolutely horrible. I was screaming at the screen “shut the fuck up”z

The fucking moderator asked a question

A person that sounds like Bernie Sanders vs a person that looks like Bernie Sanders.

Yes

Wolff doesn't really make any sort of point though... The gist of his whole argument is 'I want something else' But the thing he wants is already that we already have...? He just wants to force it onto everyone I guess...? He doesn't make anything close to a technical economic argument this whole debate. Not to mention that almost all of his 'points' about capitalism can be refuted by just silently pointing at Scandinavia...

Eros well Wolff’s whole argument is based on the whole Marxist idea that workers are exploited by wage labor. But we can look at Scandinavia and see some of the most most egalitarian and successful advanced economies of all time. Some of the highest GINIs, best economic mobility. All the social programs you could imagine... These are mixed ‘capitalist’ economies.. Free markets, large private, for profit sectors. This private sector and the growth it brings can be taxed to support social programs. Wolff’s whole argument that ‘capitalism’ is inherently exploitive doesn’t really stand up to common sense economics. At least domestically. Internationally is another long discussion to have.

John Proctor labor isn’t the only input of production. Labor is important but not necessarily all that important in many companies. We can talk utopia all day and use that as a framework to criticize the current system. But ‘workers DESERVE to be paid their average product of labor or it’s EXPLOITATION’ is a pretty dumb oversimplified starting off point.

John Proctor ‘some owners treated their slaves well and taught them to read’ You missed the entire point... As I said...the most advanced, economically mobile, richest, egalitarian system OF ALL TIME... That’s an achievement bud... But you just whine that it’s not good enough because of some flawed and oversimplified philosophy about 'exploitation' and baselessly compare it to slavery.

Does it go to ANYWHERE? they have debated this since forever

may be in our dreams. US Presidents are very far from this caliber of intellectualism lol

*we

That couldve happened if trump wasnt one of the debaters

@@alextrainor2552 oh yeah because Biden’s decomposing brain connections wasn’t it?? 🤣

@@alextrainor2552 Trump 2024 baby!! USA 🇺🇸

1. You observed correctly that Communism/Socialism prevents innovation but then reached the bizarre conclusion that it can happen anywhere. 2. You went onto make some stupid assertions based on what you "believe" rather than arguments. 3. Competition is necessary otherwise everything turns to shit very rapidly. Life creates anxiety. You can't wish it away by voting yourself a political ideology. Your result will be the opposite of intent. 4. Businesses can exploit or suppress technological innovation, depending on the circumstances. But unless there is commercialization, there is no possibility of innovation either.

​@@willnitschke you seem to have fun with the word stupid? You can still make your great point without hauling names.

@@Bob_Ugee But where would the fun in that be? You can't fix stupid. But you can enjoy making fun of it.

@@willnitschkewhat makes you think this doesnt make you stupid?

@@veragutarovaSo basically you're saying I'm correct and I therefore hurt your feelings?

A true capitalist.

You didnt distract.... you brought this tragedy to my attention.

Spongebob and squidward need to seize the Krusty Krab. While Spongebob provides the labor for creating the burgers and squidward runs the front end of the business taking orders from the customers, the capitalist (pig) crab pockets the profit while giving the two workers a pittance. Nobody earns the value of their labor. Obviously this is why spongebob and squidward live in squalor and discomfort next to Patrick, who literally lives under a rock, while the bourgeoise live elsewhere. Krabs justifies his profit because he procured the capital to create the restaurant and owns the formula, while actively doing nothing of value for his workers or his society. Plankton, meanwhile, is a reflection of the class struggle as he is ruthlessly outmatched at every turn due to the inherent inequality in the system. Neither worker can “choose” to get another job because the reality of Bikini Bottom is that there aren’t any other reasonable options. Squidward obviously does not voluntarily wish to be there. There is a guise of individualism and self determination thrown over a flawed system. Unfortunately, as long as they can feel superior to Patrick, who is lower in society, they too believe they can one day be like Mr. Krabs.

YES, an argument for socialism. Finally

Dandelo what kind of bullshit is that? crabs built the whole restaurant, he owns it, it is his, the formula is his, spongebob and squidward would have nothing without him, he could replace spongebob and squidward but they can‘t replace the formula, i don‘t know if you are just joking or just a dumbass but there are more than enough dumbasses who would believe the bullshit you just wrote so i took it serious

The moderator decided to channel a poor man’s Tony Montana from Scarface. 😂🤦🏼‍♀️ 🗣🗣

@@ViaMirage cringe comment bro

Idiotic statement from the moderator indeed.

Mark Twain

dont let corona stop your education at home it is better to learn at home then to go to school and be exposed to the virus high school kids get the virus and a 12 year old died of it so it is saying even a toddler can get it your kids are to precious to let go to school love them while you can all you can and keep them safe and at home college can be done online just like grade school i rather be doing this for my kids would,nt you take care everybody and for all of you just so you know mega dosing vitamin c will help clear out phmonia

Mark Twain with brilliant!

Brilliant

you get qualifications in school, true education comes from living life

did someone say trump?

@@rtyums6830 To be fair I've seen far more people who dislike Trump screaming at people than his fans. Maybe because the anti trump type of person is more social and outgoing so their behavior is caught on tape and online. It's a mess either way you look at it.

Immediately think of someone lmao

@@LiquidGirlfriendFreeBoy Trump is a literal manchild. He said that coronavirus was a hoax initially, before blaming china for him failing to control it. He loses an election and throws a tantrum claiming it was rigged and stirring up his supporters without evidence. These are all valid reasons for disliking him without going into his right wing politics.

@@rtyums6830 I don't exactly disagree with you. Just saying that a lot of left leaning people scream at others now a days in debates, if you can even call them that

Apparently most people don't want a discussion, we've been indoctrinated into believing arguments and discussions are the same

- Mark Twain.

Lol, everyone is a moron here.

@@katalinas9264 love Mark Twain

@@dirtydingusmcgee8926 ditto

I haven't let school get in the way of my education, and I have learned that socialism is one of the most vile ideologies on the planet. It is responsible for the murder of over 100,000,000 million innocent people,and has oppressed billions.

of course, because these guys are competing for a position

crazy how unintelligent our candidates for president typically are

That's because these two are fundamentally different in philosophy were as Dems and Republicans are essentially identical save a few social positions.

That debate was kind of a low bar, I think. ;)

We should stop with the whole politicians business it's a joke.

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the mod really shouldn't have that job though lol

CAPITALISM AND THE SO CALLED DEMOCRACY ARE THE BEST ASYLUM FOR THE RULERS, THE ELITES AND THE RICH TO LOOTING THE POOR IN THE NAME OF JUSTICE BUT IT IS A LURE FOR THE COMMON AND THE DENIED.

@@mcs106 oh shut up

@@arpitabrahmachari7649 he's right...heter

@@theamericanspirit8590 Mohammed's statement was completely out of place, like he was just hijacking a top comment. Doesn't matter whether he was right, he shouldn't have said it here.

Thomas Sankara, a black man: *visible confusion*

@@rockstarskolas it is simply called... a joke

Too bad bernie isnt one😅

@@liampremo6798 then what is he

@@jb8785 simply a social democrat. For all the fear mongering that he would end capitalism... He would actually preserve/save it. The same way fdr did.

So why aren't they fixing it?

@@TalkwithLina There is no need for reform, since Captialism is better than socialism.

@@misterauctor7353 ya ya bootlicker

​@@misterauctor7353nah, there is definite need for reform. Even if you are a capitalist, there are glaringly obvious issues with our current system, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Where the educated socialist and educated capitalist differ on this train of thought, is much like Mr. Epstein said, the libertarian capitalist prefers less regulation and only government intervention to prevent monopolies. The socialist, depending on their belief, says either by violence or democracy we must overthrow the entire system and implement a socialist system, usually through massive government intervention. But to say we need no reform is frankly idiotic.

that doesn't logically follow from the premise. Also, no.@@misterauctor7353

All doctors of economics around the same age so lol

Bernie sanders and Joe Biden said that Socialism is found on Surplus and there are all kinds of surplus American government hoards stuff in warehouses and they call this surplus there are many many many kinds and they were talking about giving it away where you always save more money so much junk the government hoards

it is like matter v anti matter economics the thing is Bernie said that it is provided by surplus and so did little Joe Joe is not all together to be able to lead he should be removed from the election before he causes any more harm to America or himself and or others

It's actually the Bernie Sanders from our reality but split in half

Wolf is the biggest pseudo economist I’ve heard from Harvard tbh

and then he tells him to shut up lmao

I thought I was the only one who caught that lol

Can you post the mark point lmao

@@reddseth9733 Golddddd

@@czvkxo I believe it’s 49:00

True. More effective to show the Marxist as uneducated.

Agree!

same here!!! if he wanted to ask he must cue up!!! 😡😡

You should have a look at debates in Indian News channel, where the moderator comes with his own agenda of spreading communal hatred. Specific suggestions: Arnab Goswami debates (News Channel: Republic India) Have a look at any of his debate and you'll know the sorry state of Indian news media.

@Bob G most commies do

He's the instigator

Absolutely. He has time to crack jokes, then won't allow people asking questions to make a single statement to add context to their question. It's the Nick Gillespie show here. This isn't a debate. It's the Nick Gillespie show.

MARXISM, COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM ARE PRODUCTS JUST LIKE CAPITALISM. If you are interested in buying some MARXISM, COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM PRODUCTS: See my sales pitch: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-UnkMA0l7Af8.html MARXISM, COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM ARE PRODUCTS JUST LIKE CAPITALISM. MARXISM, COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM PRODUCTS ALL MARKETED TO YOU AS FREE CANDY AND ARE SUPER ATTRACTIVE TO SUFFERING PEOPLE. SOCIALISTS ARE THE BEST SNAKE OIL CAPITALISTS OF ALL TIME. YOU END UP GIVING UP ALL YOUR FREEDOMS AND ALL YOUR BRAIN FUNCTIONS UP FOR ONE CRAP PRODUCT THAT DOES NOT EVEN EXIST - (FREE STUFF). CAPITALISTS ONLY THRIVE WHEN THEY GET WHAT HELPS! HOWEVER, YOU ONLY HAVE TO BUY WHAT YOU NEED. CAPITALISM REQUIRES REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE AND EFFORT AND FULL FREEDOM TO THINK AND TO SEE THE SNAKE OIL SALESMAN AS HE APPROACHES YOU. YOU THEN CAN REMOVE THEM FROM EXISTENCE NOT THOUGH VIOLENCE BUT BY NOT BUYING. THE SNAKE OILMAN COMES IN MANY FORMS. YOU NEED TO LIVE FREE TO FIND THEM!

i was laughting on the fist question , the dude talked too much and tried too much to build a context. But then Nick just tried to land some jokes just like that "man bum" joke, moments that he makes it more confusing and odd (i did laught about the joke).

the reason is they know each other and it may seem insufferable to you but to them its batter. like you talking to a friend where you call him a dick and he says stfu you lost ten dollars last week on a match a child could have won. people these days are too sensitive.

@@kylemenos I don't think these extremely well known philosophers know a random college bloke that deeply to be buddies. A moderator shouldn't try to constantly insert his ego into something that has nothing to do with him. He was even told indirectly to stop by one of the audience for his immature and stupid joke. Perhaps try to be more observant of social interactions? Get the fuck out with your "People are too sensitive these days" dog whistle.

Masdebation

@@Liveitlarge247 Motion to make that a new word.

@@Liveitlarge247 Mass Debate

@@SteveJobzz seconded

Liam H are you from Boston?

Any idea what the bloke yelled out?

"Stop complaining"

Sorry, he said "stop whining" I don't understand the other part.

So true, so sad.

@@titantron5840 his mind will never change unfortunately

Too late, the communists are in force here and buthurt now.

@@janehrahan5116 You seem like the only one butt hurt Jane. Take your partisan politics elsewhere

@@kiwikiwi2483 he's actually right. Michael Mappin the paid shill has been spamming commmunist propaganda for over a year on this video. He's paid to support Richard Wolff and this is shown by the fact that they spams every Richard Wolff video he finds with copy/paste script full of false and misleading information.

@@ExPwner I didn't find this Michael Mappin comment anywhere. So again, I will ask the both of you to take your ignorance and political bias elsewhere and let the logical people enjoy a civil debate for once.

@@kiwikiwi2483 sort comments by new and look at the replies. He's been responding to practically every comment for over a year solid and he does it from a script. I've not once been ignorant. I've been plenty logical.

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Agree. Pretending to be all about keeping things on schedule while wasting time throughout with his distracting smarmy comments. Needs to learn to check his ego at the door, and that he's not as funny or charismatic as he thinks he is. Remarkably stupid comment about Bernie Sanders too which led to another big waste of time. Worst kind of moderator.

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@MajorLeague yep. Socialism sucks ass and always has.

@@ExPwner ??? lmao USA is a mixed economy that embodies socialism...

@@jamez3875 wat?

Police unions are the reason corrupt officers always get paid leave and rarely fired.

Maybe he is mad because the 30 seconds he mentioned are not relevant? I did not notice nothing related to that

MrIHadToDoIt a good example of why not all unions are good. In this example, it gives undue to power to police, who are not working class. Their relationship to economic production is enforcement of the laws instituted by the ruling class (private capital). Unions are beneficial for the working class to collectively bargain, aka to have any chance at bargaining at all instead of simply being fired for asking for more equality. The purpose of the police union is to shield cops from the consequences of their unlawful behavior, which is disproportionately used to afflict the working class

Yes, thank you.

Bah! Socialism! They should have simply outcompeted him in the marketplace.

Marx said a lot of things, 99% of which were wrong.

@@willnitschkejust like you now keep liking your own comments Schizo

@@mountainjewsDo people who explain why your Socialist cult is stupid, hurt your feelings? 😅

Marx made a clear distinction between private property and bourgeois property, the latter being private property in the means of production (think businesses).

@@Rastaferrari829 But Marx was wrong about virtually everything, so who cares what he thought?

Whoa, rhetorical skill!

What did the guy say?

Wolffe don't play!! 👍♥️🤣😂🤣

@@BOOMProductionsVIDs "stop whining"

Sounded like the dude just wanted to get kicked out. Because I would've laughed at his dumbass while kicking him out

😂😂😂.

Majority of the engines (employees) who are behind World production of goods and services are abused and ripped off under the guise of capitalism. Man eat man society.

@@abdullahiibrahim1785 Lol You are mistaking the majority with the minority like Lenin did in the past.

@@sealking3838 unsubstantiated claim. also, abdullahi is not Lenin. not all socialists are the same. we have disagreements about what socialism should be.

Lmao

professor wolf absolutely won and destroyed his opponent in this debate, but that quote from his opponent here is very telling.

@@Azerath2 no he didn't you dumbass. He lost the debate in every way. He lost the vote count and he didn't have one coherent argument. He lied the whole way through. Attributing war to capitalism, making bogus claims about wages and poverty....all lies.

@@Azerath2 , not only did Epstein not have a valid counterargument, he ended up agreeing with wolf most of the time. How can anyone in their right mind argue against workers owning and controlling their own labour and resources? Obviously worker cooperatives keep more wealth and control with the communities and the workers. That means greater purchasing power for the community. It makes communities less dependant on government and billionaire corporations when it comes to jobs and consumer goods. The workers are doing their own work rather than someone else's.

@@ExPwner that vote was from right winged people. Stop calling people dumb. unless you're looking in the MIRROR

@Me Super not an argument, fucktard.

It was good, and the Capitalism’s argument was full of strawmaning. For example, the hypothetical about a socialist party winning the majority of votes of the ballot box, then introducing full blown socialism overnight. However, Socialism’s argument included the history of the process of Capitalism, it was not an overnight change from Faudism but a centuries long process. Just logically, that’s exactly how most ideas come to fruition. So it’s a bit of a strawman argument from Capitalism, which raises questions about integrity and trustworthiness.

@@mr12aT This debate was about socialism vs capitalism. But all that wolff was arguing was about why capitalism is so bad, that it is unstable, that and that. He never once presented the benefits of socialism. The capitalism guy literally said capitalism is not perfect and he listed the disadvantages, he said we should be careful with capitalism, and also talked about the benefits. Wolf never one talked about the benefits of socialism only why capitalism is bad. He did not talk about the disadvantages of socialism. If someone tries to sell me a car and all he does is criticizing my current car, without talking about the the functionality of the new car,. I know he talks bullshit and he knows that too, and is just trying to con me. I never trust people that only talk about the disadvantages of the product, system, person, that they don't like without actually talking about what he is offering. I honestly have no idea what kind of system wolff offers, i only know what kind of system he hates and that is not what this debate was about.

​@@pElisei Taxation, for any purpose, is literally theft via extortion. On the other hand, it is a myth that capitalism is a meritocracy. They are both completely wrong. Taxation is cannibalism. Capitalism is a grotesque game of musical chairs, in which 99 percent lose, then propaganda attempts to get them to blame themselves. Socialism is parasitism, plain and simple. It works until you run out of victims to tax. socialist propaganda encourages the cannibals to murder and gorge, until there are no more John Galts to murder.

@@noneone8726 There has to be a balance. A pure capitalist system leads to monopolies a pure socialist system leads to dictatorship. The best economies have the freest markets... look at singapore, switzerland, sweden and all nordic countries. Their markets are highest freedom of economy index, no minimum wage. Singapore has 0% tax and has one of the best economies. It has to be a balance. There has to be regulations and i think Unions are important to keep in check companies I only posted my comment on the video because i was really pissed that all wolff did was criticize capitalism. He did not even talk about socialism. Only spout anti capitalist propaganda.

There was no straw man from Gene and capitalism does NOT lead to monopoly. My God, it’s always dumbass talking points.

Fuck everybody. I thought I'd balance things a bit.

Do you think people ho fight in RU-vid comments actually watch meaningful content? XD

Ni🇳🇬gga

This is an hour long debate.. people who aren’t chill are elsewhere just entertaining themselves and fighting in the comments.

Only retards are chill on this topic.

@Larry Riffett You're an idiot.

Solidarity 👊

@@wackoyacko4541 and me

@Larry Riffett wait, if Libertarians are Socialists, who are actually Capitalists? AnCaps only or what?

@Larry Riffett I'm sorry what?

The recent COVID mass hysteria was yet another good example of why big government is almost always a total disaster.

this government you're criticising, our government, is ruled by the bourgeoisie. This is no opinion of mine, this is measurable and reasoned in geopolytics. english is not my First language btw.

@@bernardofigueira4290 The government rulers are selected by those who voted them in. If you don't like democracy and prefer a Socialist totalitarian regime, get some courage, and just say so.

@@willnitschke the USA's bourgeoisie (with government's help) has been funding authoritarian regimes in the entirety of the globe for DECADES. Chile, Haiti, Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay, Cuba (way before the socialist revolution), Honduras, Dominican Republic and WAY more. This is no marxist-leninist conspiracy theory, you can look it up yourself. Autoritarian regimes are not a threat to the dominant class if they don't question and change capitalism mode of production. Now if you think these country had their previous governments (the majority of them democraticaly elected by the people) overtrown by the CIA (you can look it up in CIA's oficial website) for "democracy" and freedom, then we cannot talk, it's objectively unnaceptable. pls, understand i'm not blamming USA (the entire country) and it's people, who have no say in this whole dictatorship funding for bourgeoisie's interest protection mess, but rather the class itself.

Anarchists tend to believe in socialism while not trusting any government at all. Your statement is wrong.

Its simple, this is an adult debate and tiktok is a child debate. No one should expect anything more when one side has a lifetime of wisdom and experience and the other isnt very far from diapers and coloring

It wouldent be entertaining in my humble opinion .Part of politics is the theatrics, its how people some times get engaged in the moment.

How dare you age-shame teenagers, with their vast wisdom and lived-experiences! Alert twitter and the media, you must be cancelled immediately.😆

Why you even expect anything super productive out of teenagers is beyond me. But what also eludes me, is why you don’t acknowledge that these old souls were, at some point, those young teenagers. We all start somewhere. I don’t think you should expect much out of tiktok debaters, but also don’t shame them. They’ll mature eventually.

I wouldn't know. I'm not stupid enough to watch tiktok. I believe these men are considered experts in their subject. Kids on tiktok are just mimicking what they heard in class that day from the cool teacher.

Was it Mark Twain who said that?

@@grammagranski8095 obviously

@@faressalih7253 to be honest u dont need to go to school to learn capitalism it needs experience and ambition

Growing up in the 90 definitely didn’t learn about untill deep in my 30’s and yes that is sad.

@@michaeljosephjackson2364 It would be nice especially being blk and not knowing how the world wrks.

The fuck

right? very inappropriate

What should you care if it is meant to intimidate and demean, ultimately it is your own choice if you choose to let those words resonate within you or not.

I think it was meant to be funny rather than demeaning. It was definitely in poor taste and insulting/demeaning even if that wasn’t the intent though. This moderator is terrible.

Lol yeah. He is typical of certain type of libertarians.. Did you see his dressing sense. He literally wears that jacket to each interview. A certain type of libertarians are just immature people.

lmao!

That was annoying

I bet you are a fan of William Lane Craig

@@mdbahrozbaburali What an amazingly accurate "guess" 😛

@@Vic2point0 actually I found you yo be the only defender of him in a video related to his debate with Seam Carroll. I admire William Lane Craig a lott. He is one of the best intellectuals i have ever had the privilege to listen to.

Not just the heart, but the mind as well.

i thought it was a mistake at first. lol

Beautiful, thanks for sharing that!

ولی حقیقتا بعضی وقتا ز دانش دل برنا پیر بُود ! هرچی بیشتر از اتفاقای کثیفی که تو این دنیا داره میفته میفهمی بیشتر زجر میکشی و این کافیه تا تو اوج جوونی پیرت کنه.

It's great! I have always wonder how many things we're missing by ignoring foreign authors.

The concept of debate is new to you.

@@billfargo9616 What are you talking about

would u really want youtube to demonotized and de rank this videos more...

@The Cheap Investor that's mr dr wilf to you

Perhaps the search can pick up on what is in the description which does contain their names? Not sure how youtube works but a quick google search of their names with the word debate brought it up nicely. I imagine the clickbaity title, which drew me in, does its job well

Vaush got destroyed in this debate.

cultural catholic bruh

Dr Ninja JF got divorced in this debate

Please tell me you're being ironic with that choice of words.

@@AmateurContendr It's a meme

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for lunch. But the moderator does suck, instead can we write a letter to the representative who employees him?

Davin S I wish no harm, even to those who may seemingly deserve it. There are things I suck at much like how this moderator sucks at moderating . “I have spoken.... “ lol

Honestly that dude is such a pretentious prick

The speakers are great !

@rob see Gene Epstein said on the Tom Woods podcast that he had asked the mod in advance to be biased in favor of the proposition. That way his victory could not be disputed.

they are both so adorable I'm sorry haha

😂😂😂😂😂

It wasn't really live. The same actor played both characters. Have you seen the parent trap? Its like that. You're welcome.

Such a straw man

Yeah, the first audience question was very poorly mishandled. He also didn't structure the debate as he outlined at the beginning with statements, rebuttal, and then Moderator Questions. I think he just got too antsy and rushed into the audience questions

@jamee boss Capitalism: you made these chips but I own the chip brand so I take 90% of your labour

@@Bolizen +Uncle Sam = I need YOU! To give up 25% of your income! Municipality + State take 10% Down to 6.5% of the profit for the product made 100% by you. Now, depending where you live, you must spend some on the side, to spend any on goods.

@@Bolizen Capitalism: the worker chooses which company to go and make chips. If he doesn't like the boss he can leave at any time. Socialism: everybody is forced to make chips and give it away to be distributed

total savage introducing them as young men too 😂

"Are there any womem in the audience wanting to make questions? Would be nice. "Oh, you gotta a man bun, thats close." Hahahahah he was having his time.

He also said "I'm going to be a Nazi" just before the first question from the audience, which was from a German kid. He's a classy fellow indeed!

@@hugorezende199 I didn't like that first part, as if women couldn't speak for themselves. Are those women being suppressed from speaking? Or is that women are expect to have a varying opinion?

@@skysheep747 I think the audience was heavily male. This debate was sponsored by Reason Magazine, a right wing free market Libertarian organization. That kind of libertarian (as opposed to a left libertarian like Noam Chomsky) is heavily white male. Not all of course and I imagine the moderator was hoping to find some exceptions.

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They didnt debate.

the moderator is paid by the chinese communist party and isn a traitor to democracy, freedom and America like the rest of the corrupt american academia eleitists/leftists.

He showed up wearing a leather jacket😂

I'm sorry that your education was incomplete, but this is what happens when education is optional, and at personal expense. Those without any curiosity spew ignorance as fact. Loser George, you're an ignorant fool. Enjoy your dystopia.

I disagree. I was grateful that he disallowed preambles to questions. I, too, don't care about the questioner's name or background. Get to the question! Maybe we'll have time for more questions that way.

@@JimLockett Turd eater. Shove communism up your sorry arse. Communism is not just a false and evil ideology, but goes well beyond any dystopian worldview. It has faled miseraly every time it was tried out, in all parts of the world. karl Marx was an ignorant fool, an imbecile a, a fraud and a liar, like all communists that follow his limping steps. Communism is immoral, anti-human, dishonest, intolerant and the supreme manifestation of ignorance and stupidity, Only retards, liars, douchebags and criminals endorse communism.

That's when you know it's a controlled debate with bias.

Well, one awesome guest. The other one is nearly senile.

Everyone knows that moderators so it does the control and perceived power not the money. It’s a mindset.

Because a debaters job is to make themselves and their positions look better. A moderators job is not to make themselves look good, but to challenge the debaters to be understood, which both supporters of either side can agree to dislike because a challenge feels like an attack to a partisan.

Fear.

Pursuing happiness by Stanley Lebergott

Covid didn't cause this. Government did. All of the socialist morons trying to say that this validates their ideology are idiots, through and through. For centuries capitalists have told people that government meddling in the economy causes problems and crashes. Yet in 1929, 2008 and now 2020 it's surprised Pikachu meme, as if their ideas weren't causing the problem.

@@ExPwner , I guess the government in the United States must be extremely incompetent. look at China. That's where the virus originated and yet they only have a handful of cases. The United States, on the other hand, they have only 4% of the world's population but over 25% of the covid cases and deaths.

@@michaelmappin1830 it is extremely incompetent, and that's why we should end it and instead have a capitalist approach to things like this. In the US, leaving it up to government meant that governors were ordering sick, COVID positive patients into nursing homes with the elderly who as we even knew then are the most vulnerable. It was also the FDA and other regulatory agencies which were slowing down the shipment of masks when people could have used them the most. Capitalist enterprises were ready to ship them but government got in the way. Then you also have governors shutting down the entire state when the best case for any shutdowns are in the biggest cities and NOT the entire state. I'm in one such lockdown state, and we've seen very little of this virus yet more problems from lockdowns than the virus itself.

@@ExPwner He mentioned China to highlight your government in generality argument moot. It is that you live under a CAPITALIST owned government that doesn't give a fuck about you and is also incompetent, in particular the most recent administration of Trump.

Except the financial crash was already being telegraphed well before we o ew covid even existed. If you go back to last year, half way through last year, to channels like Re Education and Beau of the Fifth Column, they break it down in a way that laypeople can understand- using the evidence provided by expert economists. But they warned of the coming downturn, and what regular people could do to prepare for it. So the crash was forecast well before covid. Covid incited it, perhaps a month or two before it would have happened, and it certainly made it worse than it otherwise would have been. But it would have happened anyway.

Love the sentiment, too bad she didn't say that

employment is nothing more then being a wage slave warren buffet said something like this on you tube but hell the highest paid baseball player in MLB is getting paid $500.000.000 that is some blessing from slavery and the second highest paid MLB player is getting $250.000.000 still some blessing from slavery and now they are talking reparations from sports teams ,and ice cube is talking about the movie business owing them reparations when they get millions of dollars to act in a movie like barber ship and that sure is not beating on him that sure been blessing him real good with millions of dollars and greed and philosophy are nothing more then criminal narcissism Obama is the same way and this is all mafia trying to use and abuse the past as much they can to exploit white people for the past after all that has changed since Dr king and it is never enough milk everyone for all you can get hell even MCDONALDS is a financial blessing to all those who work there it sure beats the he3ll out of social security

@@michaelregan4409 Why is getting a wage equal to slavery?

@@hasaniwu there is a old term that Lincoln started and that was Wage Slave a nd it is anyone who works for a wage and the term later turned into employee and the owners became employer not master because we got free will to work for the individual now

@@hasaniwu Because yes people are getting wages, however the amount they are receiving is too inefficient. This forces them to increase work time. Ultimately, a massive amount of people are spending more time working than they are fulfilling their passions.