Captain yells at First Officer on ATC frequency after failed approach at Newark. Real ATC Audio 

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You didn’t hear the first officer thanking the captain after the flight for the valuable lesson he learned.

True 😮

@@reyd8609. In the world of instruction, that’s not a way to deliver a message.

​@@reyd8609If the captain cannot maintain himself, he cannot handle an actual emergency. Lives are more important than his ego.

Not funny, but spot on!

@@dennymontgomery9716 it kinda is funny because the reason was actually "unstable approach" which is the pro term for it but it fits perfectly to the captain. Seems like a little too high for your sense of humor, no offense ;)

@@dennymontgomery9716 IT WAS FUNNY!

Stupid comment if you actually understood the need and cause for the authoritatively issued instructions .

Stupid they ask for reason nothing ATC can do about it just say a PIC decision

As an airline pilot you have no idea what was going on and how bad and how often the situation happened

@@pilot41186 Please explain the situation where getting angry and yelling in the cockpit improves safety.

If the captain is the pilot monitoring, then isn't he the one who's supposed to raise the landing gears?

@@CanVeyn how would you know that it's not an easy call with a heavy plane to take over the controls and it can make the situation worse if you claim to be a wannabe pilot?

@@ro-86alkonost78 i didn’t say i know i said i think

It actually does with me

Old school discipline doesn't apply anymore? You hurt my feelings?

Worked in Boot Camp

Worked in the army lol

@@reyd8609lol that’s not discipline…..

Looks like I picked the wrong time to give up drinking!

Striker?! I hardly know her!

Surely you can't be serious.

Joey have you ever been in a Turkish prison?

We're on instruments now.

😂😂😂

Airplane! reference. Nice 😂

Best comment on here!

The shit has hit the fan!

What’s your vector Victor ? 😬

You’re bidding on avoiding?

sounds to me like AI added voices not authentic to the situation

That’s what I call a call to professional standards.

A raised voice does not make a poor crm.

Good thing he is flying cargo lol.

@@SYDAirlineEnthusiast lol

@@SYDAirlineEnthusiast - Nothing wrong with flying cargo, but you’re not far from right - Amerijet is NOT a top shelf operation (thanks to it’s owner mostly, as well as the management he employs), and while there are many fine pilots there, operators like that tend to be some of an “island of misfit toys,” where some people wind up when they can’t find work anywhere else.

I think the Captain would make a very good flight instructor, if he is not one yet.

I personally commend the Captain.

True for flying or anything else.

Talk softly as the pilot flying dives to his death, taking you along for the experience.

That's precisely what brought Avianca 052 down in 1990, while on approach to JFK. The Captain was yelling at his FO, while not monitoring the fuel situation. A very experienced Captain, ended up flying a perfectly good airplane into the ground. Total breakdown of CRM, communication, and airmanship.

Blame the captain because the fo was royalist screwing up over speeding not making call outs and can't be established before the faf? Ur aiding incompetent isntagram pilots of today

@@pilot41186 yelling in situations like these shuts down most people or there's a yelling match or worse. Both are not desirable. If the FO is not performing up to snuff.. Just say my controls.. Land the plane.. Debrief.. And tell him that he's going to write him up for some additional training... That's it. No need to exert yourself. You can take over the control, debrief and explain everything in a calm manner.. Nothing personal.. All professional.

not on purpose.

@@reyd8609 But they sounded like individual transmissions.

@@adamtaylor31 the transmit toggle switch is in the yoke and you can easily sometimes inadvertently press it when holding the yokel.

@@reyd8609 you mean captain perfect made a mistake? Surely this warrented a chewing out by ATC? "STOP TRANSMITTING! OPEN MIKE! SHUT UP!" That would be the correct way to restore discipline on frequency wouldn't it?

I wonder if the FO might have "accidentally/on purpose" keyed the mic so there would be a record of the Captain's behavior that he could point to later.

Old school discipline doesn't apply anymore? You hurt my feelings?

been proven to cause accidents in aviation, old school discipline is bad

@@StingerGR i would assume you have never experienced being in the left seat.

@@StingerGR Show me the statistics.

@@reyd8609 ​I have, also served in the military and experienced a lot of old school discipline, shouting at a first officer who is potentially green just causes unnecessary stress and could cause CRM issues, potentially belittling a less experienced pilot could cause doubt in their skills and in the example of Pakistan airlines 8303, stop them from raising concerns even when the captain is being extremely unprofessional and dangerous, not to say you shouldn't tell them when they are in the wrong, absolutely should however I don't see how raising your voice in the cockpit will benefit anyone.

Even the voice of the top guns in the navy become a shrill in stressful air combat situations. I guess the world has really gone woke. Raising your voice doesn't mean you are angry.

There is a saying... the more you know, the more you realize how little.

⁠@@reyd8609I bet there is a dozen Air Crash investigation episodes where the captain is yelling at the first officer, and then the FO shuts down. Nothing to do with woke. I’ll work and have, for a superior that gets on me when I screw up, but I’m not working for an asshole.

@@reyd8609 and you seem to know everything.....

"787-10 for a major european airline" So you're a KLM pilot

almost got killed on the job

Completely agree. As a captain, you monitor, use your checklist and make necessary correction without yelling. And it’s just a go around that they should have briefed before coming to land in case there is a go around.

😂😂😂😂

Yea, I agree, but do we know what he is dealing with? This new generation is really the worst workers in history, probably more interested in his cell phone!

​@@kevinbrowne1278 lmao not this again. Every generation has said that the next is lazy, and yours is no exception

@@kevinbrowne1278 What? It was a going around, no reason whatsoever to be that animated about it.

@@kevinbrowne1278so let me get this straight…. in your expert opinion, this FO was scrolling on his phone during approach 🙄 Okay buddy.

"Just want to wish you both good luck"

stop calling me shirley

At least I have a husband.

Jim never drinks a 2nd cup of coffee at home!

Oh stewardess,I speak jive.

Same😁

​@@TheATCAudio We'll never be PIC unless we fly solo, I reckon.......

But your saving under Biden inflation ❤

😂😂😂

I haven't picked out a parking spot in 10 years

Good grief, I feel terrible for you, sir. What a burden you've had to endure. I know exactly where you're coming from, sadly. Obviously you are a real mensch to be able to have forgiven such abuse, but the damage and heartache that you've endured has taken a toll, for sure. But you've risen far above that aspect of ugliness in your life. Don't feel bad about what you think you've failed to achieve, either. Your empathy and good qualities are greater than anything else. Certainly greater than anything material, or any other measure of how people may determine or define "success". Continue doing good and have confidence in the good person that you obviously are.

@@7CharlesV Best reply I have read in a long time! I hope @richardkrallio3868 takes to heart your encouraging words.

Drink!

So sorry to hear that. You may find encouragement in the book "The Courage to be Disliked".

I feel you, my father was the exact same way. Shouting non stop and bsing at every minor thing. It’s almost an addiction for him, and sadly those around him suffer because of it.

CRM requires two competent pilots, and on a heavy, two experienced competent pilots.

@@Frigate356I'm not sure why you think a widebody would require more skill. The 767 is more automated than a 737 or CRJ. Hell, not even any auto throttles on a CRJ.

@@Frigate356yes, the FO was the competent one, CA needs to retire.

that live mike I would believe it was inadvertent as the transmit switch is in the yoke.

That’s Boeing’s job, letting things go to crap!

so woke.

@@reyd8609No it’s just unprofessional beyond words. Many crashes have been caused by shouting captains in the past. There’s a reason why pilots have a reputation for being calm.

@@BuddySpike101 Woke nonsense If shouting caused crashes, then who the hell hired those pilots? Until recently they were usually ex military so presumably they can take being yelled at but if people who's former job involved other people attempting to kill them cause a crash from being yelled at then I'd say you have a shit pilot. How many people get into arguments in heavy traffic and don't kill anyone? Surely the man or woman making 6 figures flying a plane around can take a yelling. And the reputation for being calm is from talking to passengers, you don't want 40-100 plus people freaking out when they're panic can lead to further issues or death.

@@darthbigred22 Even in the military. Flight instructors never ever shout at you when flying even the finest Navy Pilots in the 1960s never got shouted at. It’s not about being woke it’s about delivering information in a calm and controlled manner and never escalating the situation. How it works for military pilots is they will tell you a few times calmly and if you don’t do it you are out. Even when I was flying with the RAF they never shouted at me. If it ever started to go wrong they just say “I have control” and correct it then show you how to do it properly until you get it.

@@darthbigred22 You are entirely, fundamentally, comically ignorant regarding the most _basic_ principles of good CRM.🤣 Principles which long predate your apparent brain worm of a favorite political chew toy.

He’s a menace to everything in the air…..yes birds too.

My thought exactlyn

A lot of anger issues starts with problems at home.

@@zetareticulan321 ...as with alcohol/addiction problems, which usually follow shortly after.

At a good air carrier, absolutely. At Amerijet, who knows. Unfortunately, due to its owner and management, Amerijet is a workplace of last resort for most people - so whether they would do anything is questionable at best.

@@bradcrosier1332 that was a non issue to pilots. It can inadvertently happen. The transmit toggle switch is in the yoke.

@@reyd8609 - I'm well aware where one of the transmit switches is. I have fifteen type ratings in various transport aircraft, including the B-757 and B-767. Now back to the actual subject: What are YOUR qualifications? Probably none, since you won't provide them.

@@bradcrosier1332 You cannot even show me your book of instruction fundamentals that says one cannot raise his voice. You say I know nothing. There is this saying... the more you know, you realize how little. I think you fall into this category of the arrogant boastful pilot. The worst of its kind. Pilots are humble. No respect.

@@reyd8609 - I’m quite humble around actual experts, and I work shoulder to shoulder with many on a weekly basis. I’m far from the greatest pilot out there, but my skills are at least average, perhaps a bit more on a good day. I’ve never busted a checkride, and have always received good critiques/comments from students, captains, first officers, check airmen, flight attendants, gate agents, maintenance technicians, line service personnel, and passengers. I do however tam my profession quite seriously, and I take exception to dolts who pretend they have some knowledge or expertise, when in fact they possess neither. I provided you an article from a well respected aviation organization, you’ve done both but spew feces from your ignorant, moronic mouth. You probably are the turd from Amerijet because that’s that only dirtbag company that would hire a garbage individual such as yourself. Now sod off, loser - or provide the information to verify that you have so much as a student pilot certificate - you know nothing troll.

coming from a woke?

@@reyd8609 Found the captain.

@@thesim1990😂

I'd need to see more. I assume this is more likely the modern DEI hire trainee screwing up obvious fundamentals like bringing the gear up and kicking the power back on. And no I don't expect, from seeing the TikToks of the DEI hire pilots now, they'll be any less immoral than the military captains. They'll just blame everyone else when they eventually cause an incident judging from some of the freak-outs recently making the news. Honestly between the Boeing scandal, the DEI hires, and flying turning into public transportation I getting this bad feeling we're going to start having a lot of crashes soon.

He obviously had a shot and failed, happens to all of us that's how you learn .In this case lives were at risk hence the passion you heard. I'm sure the captain immediately took control of the aircraft . Stop being so soft. SOMETIMES YOU NEED TO GET YELLED AT! smh!

So yell back.

I'm not sure how it relates to this particular video. That's quite true though

All men are born equal.... then there a few become pilots who can take a yell, a shout, or a command. The rest are just men.

Good point. Captain could have been flying and managing coms…only explanation that makes sense

Thought the same, very strange.

If FO is flying then he should have called it, not the Capt.

@@petros7929 We know that, that's not the issue here.

Update: it was a pilot in the jumpseat yelling. Which makes sense why he would made call outs that a PF and PM would make

EXACTLY!!! Please drop in on a few of the other comments in this thread. #Pilot41186 is either the captain involved, or at the very least thinks this is acceptable.

That’s why this dude is at Amerijet. 😂

Push a button!!! Pull a lever!!!

Watch that gauge,it’s running a little hot.

I agree. The FO eventually shuts down.

Maybe he's never seen a grown man naked or watched gladiator movies

below the belt remark. not funny.

He also probably picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines……and stop calling me Shirley!

😁

Very true. And healthcare! Don’t get me started on some surgeons and anesthesiologists.

you remember it!

Captains should be able to fly single pilot. be able to recover from a bad situation... But not allow the situation to get to unrecoverable of course. Depending on the situation... If below 1k agl.. Maybe max 2 corrections and then my controls. Again no need to yell.

😂😂. I have flown multi engine heavy airplane for the military in some serious scenarios for more than 20 years “Never seen yelling in a cockpit during that timeframe. “.

@@nacholens3228 Hence the phrase “years ago”.

Exactly. Planes can fly a few seconds w the extra drag. And he knows where the lever is.

Most underrated comment

Joey,do you like movies about gladiators?

It sounds like the cap was flustered.. Why press transmit? Secondly, just say positive rate.. Gear up. Certainly no need to yell that. Thirdly on airliners, you don't pull power back on a g/a or climbs... You pitch up. So this guy was no star. I hope someone from his company gets hold of him and gives him some good crm training.. But most probably won't take. Antithesis of how a modern multi crew pilot needs to behave.

@@Bren39agree with most of what you say. You do pull power back. You are light so you don’t need all that power. And you don’t pitch up that much either.

"Near death" it was a non-event that hasn't even resulted in the FAA opening an investigation. His attitude just stinks.

I would.

I'd expect the Captain to yell at you if you needed to be told to bring the gear up and kick the power back on. That's pretty fundamental even in simulators.

And stop calling me Shirley!

I don’t know….but Leon’s getting larger!

@@judymarlene3414 Lieutenant Hurwitz. Severe shell shock. Thinks he’s Ethel Merman.

@@jackmeyhoffer5107 One of the more underrated scenes in that movie but I absolutely loved her cameo!

Please try to be original. Quoting from the movie "Airplane" is tiresome. Just sayin'....be original.

Looks like somebody picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue😅😅😅😅😅😅😅!

I think the FO forgot to give the command "gear up". The Captain was just reminding the FO loudly of the procedure, so the Captain will physically put the gear level up. The Captain wanted to follow through with the standard go-around procedures.

“Today’s Crumbling Society.” That was brilliant, Scott. Truly brilliant.

@@dma124 I hope folks understood what I meant by the remark!

@@Scott767300 I know. You spoke a universal truth, my friend.

Exactly

In this woke world, you cannot raise your voice anymore to instill discipline?

@@reyd8609 not in the flight deck, captain Bligh. Save it till you’re at the gate. You must be a favourite to work with.

@@Treetopflyer777 You do not just take over in a high stress go around situation, you will not do the FO a favour. Know your limits. Finish through the standard crew resource management go-around procedures and command with a loud voice to wake up the disoriented FO what he is missing and let him correct it, which was what the Captain did. You cannot baby talk the FO if he froze. Tell him what to do and he will learn. It was safe enough not to take over the controls. If the Captain did take over, he will traumatize the FO and the FO won't learn anything. The flight instructors have a high threshold of tolerance before taking over the controls. The Captain was cool as you would know it in his voice when he communicated with ATC. A go-around in a highly busy airport are one of the more aggressive situations in a pilot's life.

@@reyd8609 ummm…. I’ve been a pilot for 35 years. Was involved in training for almost 25 years. I vehemently disagree with much of what you have to say. And that’s all I have to say about that.

This aviation is terminology and procedure.

So fragile. Why would it only happen once, do tell.

​@@riggitydoo5116tough guy in the comments, huh

@@rsybing Someone that requires certain standards of behavior.

Absolutely! Find a different job or you will be miserable

@@rsybing 😀

Yes it does, but the captain's reaction is not helping him catch up one bit.

An airplane, Amerijet 880 Heavy (weighted over 300,000 pounds, 136 tonns, at takeoff) was cleared to land on a runway at Newark. The crew of Amerijet 880 decided not to land, "something" was not right,/safe/good and executed/flew a "go around". During the resulting "go around" one pilot inadvertently transmitted what was supposed to be a communication between the two pilots during the "go around". From the tone, intensity and volume of the voice saying: "gear up", "watch your speed" and "bring the power back" it is obvious that the communication was less than optimal or effective. We are listening to one side of a conversation where this pilot crew of two pilots are not working well together. "Gear up" means to move the handle/switch that commands the aircraft's hydraulic/electrical system to raise the landing gear, wheels, back up and stow them inside the aircraft's body from being down and locked and positioned for landing. Just like a normal takeoff, after a go around, the landing gear, wheels, are raised and stowed to make the airplane more aerodynamically efficient. "Watch your speed" means one pilot was unhappy with the jet's speed and trend in which the speed was going. It is not clear which problem he had; whether the jet was too fast or too slow from what the "correct" speed should have been. "Bring the power back" means the one pilot is commanding, in this case yelling at the other pilot, to take some specific action with the throttles. As others in the comment section have noted the command is ambiguous and could be interpreted either way. If the jet was flying too fast for the position of the gear and flaps then "bring the power back" would mean reduce the throttle setting by physically moving them backward thereby reducing thrust in an effort to slow the aircraft. If the aircraft was slow and getting even slower, dangerously slow, then "bring the power back" would mean to reestablish more power/thrust by moving the throttles forward towards to/towards the maximum thrust position. We are not positive which pilot is yelling, we are speculating. Most commentators believe it is the Captain yelling at the First Officer, they are probably correct. It could be a confident First Officer yelling at a poorly performing Captain. It could be a training flight where the instructor could occupy either seat. We do not know for sure. One pilot is unhappy and "barking commands" at the other pilot. Most everything else (boomer pilot who should retire/ DEI hire/incompetent snowflake-whatever else) is speculation and "projection" of personal bias. Hope that explanation helps.

They fly cargo but no reason to yell. Captain needed to take over and teach. 😊Captain is there to help not yell. CRM at its worst.

a raised voice is ok.

There was no anger. Raising your voice is not anger. Can't believe all this hype about yelling.

^There it is. Didn't take long to find this comment.^

And when that “assertive” captain makes a mistake himself later, and the first officer doesn’t speak up because he’s been browbeaten into silence, and so the plane crashes? I mean that is seriously how numerous major crashes have happened. I get reacting urgently in an important moment, but there are good and bad ways to do that.

Captain would’ve been monitoring all along and known way before that they were not established, he could have called this way earlier and much more calmly.

@@Wolfeson28 I can't even describe how right you are!

Right you can be stern without causing more stress. Ive heard crash VR less aggressive.

@the_bloke, how much cockpit time do you have in the crew environment?

@ExercitusGymnasticus Not on the radio...