Capture with and without a time base corrector 

Some modern VCRs allow to change speed during rec. My LG V280 can.

@@Zcooger yeah my toshiba and panasonic can

A glitsh is a glitch. Say you are archiving a 60 minute tape, and you are NOT sitting there watching it, and it bombs out after 5 minutes. You play the entire tape, only to find that only the first 5 minutes captured. Or worse you capture the entire tape, and think everything is OK, and only find out later that bad timebase caused your capture card to crap out, and record the last half of the tape as a freeze frame. Some capture cards have internal frame stores and are not affected by this, and others do not.. Is it worth the risk? That depends. If you are in the business of archiving tapes for clients, and you can not afford having a video ruined by time base errors then the answer is no, it is not worth the risk. Also your reputation is on the line. I do lots of video archiving, and I have lots of referrals, so I can not afford to have a single unhappy customer. So I use a time base corrector.

@@12voltvids Does this TBC stop the audio going out of sync? That's the issue I'm having with my conversions at the moment. I use an EZCAP with no TBC as far as I know.

@@MrJoldroyd Cheap capture cards with long gop have issues with sync. I use a high end capture card and have no issues with audio sync.

@@12voltvids Oh I see! Maybe I should upgrade. Are there any particular cards you'd recommend?

@@MrJoldroyd I use ClonerAllience Pro box.. Don't need a computer.. Records directly to flash drive.. Stay away from those cheap USB devices, they aren't going to record any analog media properly..

why not buy deck first, and then see if you need tbc at all. you did notice him creating damage first to shiwcase tbc, right? so what when you don't have damage?

+Fivos Sakellis Yes that is the reason. Timing errors. A really good capture card like the old Aver DC30 had no trouble capturing non time base corrected video, as it had a TBC internal, but then it also captured in MJPG, which turned out monstrous files. Something in the order of 500 megs per minute of video!!!!!!! I'm not joking. That was my first capture card, and the files were so big, and at a time that the file kimit was 2 gigs. So basically a capture was limited to 4 minutes. Very difficult to work on editing when you can only capture 4 minutes at a time.

@@12voltvids Is a JVC HR-S9500 with Digipure and TBC any good for capturing from jittery or worn tapes etc.

@@speedyboishan87 I use a JVC HR-S9911 myself and it works great.

@@12voltvids That's great, JVC SVHS VCR's with TBC/Digipure are excellent as they can remove jitter, flicker that the Panasonic SVHS VCR's have trouble with i have 2 JVC VCR's with TBC and they work great have better features that the Panasonic SVHS VCR's dont have.

@@speedyboishan87 Panasonic vcrs were junk. My favorite were mitsubushi and jvc.

Dawid I uses a miniDV camcorder with analog input as a capture device. NEVER have a problem with this approach. The video may jump/smashed on damaged tape portion,but the capture just keep going (and you can edit the bat part out later,of course) Better yet,if you only want to convert video8/hi8 tapes - use digital 8 camcorder as a playback device. Put the analog tape in,digital video will stream out and capture it,simple as that!

The edit controller no. You need a video mixer as in order to mix video the signals need to be syncronized and that is the job of the TBC / frame sync

@@12voltvids Thanks for answer my question... i will try to buy an MX-1 on ebay or something.

What about it? That's a very old technology for these old starboard signs. You won't see these around much anymore except a museum perhaps

+João Antonio Franz Arcsoft Total Media Extreme

+12voltvids Thanks! Which version you're using on this video?

I think it's the version that came on the CD with the Hauppauge HD PVR. I have the same capture device but I bought it second hand without a CD, and then downloaded it from the link in this video : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vonC2uB2Czg.html Visually, it has different colors than the version shown here but I believe it has the exact same functionality. If you have the Hauppauge HD PVR, Hauppauge also provides free software for it on their website (I believe it's called Hauppauge Capture). I used it before downloading Arcsoft's software and I believe it's just a rebadged version, since it has the same layout and design, but only records in .ts and .m2ts whereas Arcsoft can record in .mp4 which I like better. Otherwise, the recordings from both look identical to me.Hope this helps! Aaaand I just typed all of this and realised your comment is 3 years old lol. Might leave it up anyway in case somebody else needs the info.

It will be tough to find anything new these days as they really haven't made any in over 10 years. All the time base corrector will be used these days.

@@12voltvids Hi i have a brand new tape that the picture flickers could a TBC be able to remove picture flicker etc.

it's not a digitizer, all inputs and outputs are analog. It corrects / stabilizes the analog image, the ad conversion process has to done afterwards

Videonics MX1 mixer. It has 2 frame store tbc

Ah yes, False Creek. Old Expo land. I should look through my old footage and put it up.

Porsche by the rippingtons

+Guy I. Horn I believe you are referring to the head switching point 6 lines before vertical blanking at the bottom of the frame. The reason head switching is done before vertical blanking is because of of it is done in blanking it would cause sync instability and in the day of analog TV it was hidden by over scan. Of course on digital TV the frame is scanned edge to edge so the switch point easily is visible.

+12voltvids So then that's normal for Digital capture through a computer from VHS or Beta tapes then? Just curious, thanks for the explanation.

Yep, if it bothers you you can crop it out in editing software.

@@NikHYTWP rememeber - VHS was made for analog TV, On the process of analog tape to digital conversion those details appear because are not hidden be cause theré´s no VCR correction circuit

A TBC will always improve capture by fixing timing errors in the video signal. I use my hauppague only for HD capture. For standard video I use a song gvhd7000

@@12voltvids What about these cheap cable capture products? Will these do the trick? Also is a tbc necessary in order for the capture to not bail out?

@@janhundling4647 They all (at least the ones I have used ) bail out randomly when used without a TBC. The better ones have an internal TBC as my Sony does.

@@12voltvids what is the tbc you used for TBC vhs and betamax. also I have question I need to find answer. why when we digitize the vhs and play it in big screeen we found this video pixlitaed and only if we want to see it in perfect way we need to play it in small window or mionitor

@@ER7ABY you can't get something from nothing. VHS digitizes natively at 720x480i and when deonterlaced becomes 240 lines.

Well you shouldn't be converting to hdmi and then capturing that. You need a good analog capture card with time base corrector for best results.

@@12voltvids what is the best TBC u think ? Most of them said big voodoo TBC but for real is not available any more even used . Can u tell what is the good one TBC

@@ER7ABY well first of all why do you think you need one? The reason they were devoloped was to syncronize non genlocked sources to studio sync for use in multi camera productions. Some have a frame store that hold the picture in memory and read it out in sync with reference clock. Some have color and phase correction and that is called a proc amp tbc. They do not improve picture they actually soften the video. Of course time base correction became a buzzword for consumers that thought they needed it. Sure if you are copying a 3 or 4 generation VHS it might make it look better on another vhs copy but for digitizing any half decent capture card has all the time base correction needed built in. Basically in its simplest form a TBC digitizes analog video to 8 bit video and then turns that digital signal back into analog again. Every time you digitize and go back to analog you are reducing the quality. Remember VCRs with the edit switch? What do you think that did? It turned OFF all playback processing and correction because even though that processing might make the picture appear clearer it actually degraded a copy. It's the same if you copy a dolby it dbx cassette. You want to turn everything off on the player and recorder and try to record at same levels as original not expand and then compress again. I don't use time base correctors. I have a few but the quality is always better without them.

@@12voltvids i really teally appreciate ur reply with this info. But I really uave problem with betamax tape , when ever digitize them , it shows horrible, not good as vhs tape . I tried to buy new betamax but still the same , there is a noise . So thats why I believe that TBC will solve my issue

@@ER7ABY if your playbackachine has a problem a TBC will not improve things.

+PrincessZoey97 HDPVR 49001

+armanga On the HDPVR I take the video from my VCR, and plug it into the video input on my Videonics MX1. The video out from the videoonics goes to the video input on the front. If I am using a Hi8 or SVHS deck, I use the Svideo cable to connect to the MX1 and the MX1 to the HDPVR. The audio line runs directly from the VCR to the HDPVR.

+12voltvids it's a little bit confusing but I will try it. I know I am asking a lot from you but can you make a video of a a diagram on how to connect I think it would be easy to understand . Thanks a lot

+12voltvids *I meant a video or a diagram.

+12voltvids +12voltvids I have copi all 7000 tbc and I tried to connect as far as I understood from your explanation but it didn't work. I pulled the yellow wire from the video port of the vcr and insert it from vcr to tbc then another yellow wire from tbc to the front of pvr. Where I am getting it wrong? No audio or video is showing at all.

+armanga You do have to use the arcsoft Tota Media Extreme to capture with it. Youthen need to select your video input. Composite or S video on the front, or component video on the back, and select the audio input, front, read or spdif, and your audio mode 2ch or 5.1CH. if using digital input.Other capture utilities may or may not work, or you may not have the options. When I upgraded from WinXP, the original version of TME did not work. I actually went to the store, and bought a new HDPVR just so I could rip a copy of the new version TME2 that works with Win 7 and then returned the device telling the store that it didn't work properly and got my money back, all because TME for XP would not run under win7, and there was no free upgrade, and an attempt to "find" a copy on the net resulted in finding a virus embedded that crippled my new computer. Fortunately there was nothing on the computer as I was in the process of building it, so I wiped the SSD and started over, went to the store, bought a new HDPVR, copied the installation disk, and returned it. Arcsoft of course wanted to sell me the new version, and I said no thanks.This is precisely why I am telling Microsoft to shove windoze 10 you know where. I don't need software that I own telling me that because I upgrade my OS, that I no longer own it, and want to extort a monthly fee to use it.

Vhs was a home format. The H even means home. VHS. Video home system. It was a horrible low resolution format. We did have a better one betamax but VHS won out and we were stuck with it.

+Vintage Electronics Geek The MX1 has both CVBS and S video, however I generally only use CVBS (composite) as well VHS was a composite format. When I used that board in my edit system, I used S-Video, and I had the VTM2000 titlemaker as well.

+Vintage Electronics Geek Hi Jack, I wish that I knew this many years ago when I did a lot of taping. But then, it would have costed too much. Perhaps you too can make a vid about yours. Don

+12voltvids You do it wrong. On VHS tapes the video is stored as separate luma and chroma, so you should USE s-video signal to maximize quality.

TBC? What does that stand for? I don't suppose you mean Tuberculosis? Time Base Corrector? I wouldn't use this acronym for Time Base Corrector as in vast majority of the world, this is known acronym for Tuberculosis, which is a nasty medical condition and wouldn't wish anyone to experience it.

@@CZghost Well, I suppose if your conversation is in the medical realm then you are correct, however since the topic / conversation is about video and video correction then the correct acronym is indeed TBC with the meaning of "Time Base Correction". The strange thing about acronyms is they can mean many things at once and in a different light...for example if I said FBI, you would think I may mean "Federal Bureau of Investigations", when in reality I actual mean "Female Body Inspector"! If you were on a farm, then I guess TBC could mean "The Big Chicken", if you are an Elvis Presley fan, then you know he always said TCB, his meaning was "Taking Care of Business"! So, its always best to know what the context is to help you understand the meaning of words. A dictionary and thesaurus maybe your best friend. ~Jack, VEG

Porscha by Russ Freeman and the Rippingtons.

The videonics mx1 is a TBC and will work well to clean up timing signals on tapes. Higher end units have a process amp so you have more control but the mx1 will do the job.

What crackly sound?

I never use one myself.

You have to set somewhere input signal, depends on where you are.. usa ntsc, europe pal..

@@mrfuck792 Thanks. I thought this was only a NTSC machine. Even was checked with technicians.

@@jlatala4655 it was solved? :D