Cardio After Weight Training MISTAKE  

He's more Neanderthal for sure.

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And the nose picking.😂

​@@1PhotoGeekphD Mike has lots of nasty habits

😂what?!?!😂

THIS!

In the full video he explains that if you don’t want to go twice a day, do the cardio before the weight training for better results than after the weight training

@@eli3804 trouble is I notice most (reliable) fitness influencers and the literature say the opposite: dont do it beforehand because youll tire yourself and your muscles out, meaning you can only go so hard with the weights, reducing your progress. Theres pros and cons to all ways of doing it, i think the best thing is to just do what you enjoy and can stick to

this dude is so opinionated

​@@pickleyeet8844 doing steady state cardio probably won't hurt your weight training, or just take a snack before the weight part, it dosent really burn much calories

Can I ask, at what point did he say people shouldn’t do cardio?

I think he means even if it’s not ideal for your weight training it’s better to do it in a non “optimal” way than not at all.

Diet is almost always the cause of heart disease, not lack of working out.

@@malcolmdcwwed I used to say everything to avoid cardio as well...Most ppls diet is shit, if they can't/won't change it and even if they do cardio is still beneficial.

@@tomsnowden6201 oh I'm not denying that it isn't helpful. I just meant op made it sound like it was the end all be all to curing cardiovascular disease when there are so many other factors.

Yes! Not everybody wants to be a bodybuilder/giant behemoth.

I mean most of them are freaks, most people believe it or not are doing it for the pussy! And for example dr mike would repel pussy so you don't want to go there, you just gotta make sure you have some muscle and low body fat and a good fkin personality and pussy will just fall into your lap, you don't need 50 cm biceps cmon boys!

Well said. Cardio after weights is great for me. I'm more concerned with looking lean and athletic.

Yeah, I enjoyed doing cardio after lifting

It's a clip.

The power of just walking is so underrated

He isn't saying cardio is bad or pointless, he's saying that if your goal is to be as muscular as possible, don't do a bunch of cardio after lifting.

Body builders average lifespan is 30 years shorter. It’s not about health, it’s about being big.

160/90 constantly is CRAZY

​@@ahzigos Anything else to add, Captain Obvious?🙄🤡

He’s neglecting that some people do cardio to either improve their endurance or promote heart health

When do you do it? Right after weight training or few hours later or next day?

@@s9209122222 It depends on the intensity of the cardio (in terms of heart rate zones and time). For example, I like to do less than 10min of light cardio on the treadmill for warming up for my leg trainning. But when I run for longer distances on the treadmill, such that I get close to my max heart rate, I prefer doing this hard cardio session on a separate day. But this is simply what I like to do, and not necessarily an "optimal" trainning style. See what works best for you 💪

Exactly. If you want to do cardio, lift the faster.

It's amazing these weight training types take on cardio. True cardio: You must perform cardio in a specific way that has efficacy, (same way you must do muscle gain a specific way to get results) to get the CV health benefits, as well as functional (up 2 flights of stairs) benefits.-- Weight lifter take on cardio " cardio is for calorie burn , and any type of cardio is just fine, just do some cardio activity ( something they would scream against if they were talking about muscle gains)

You might want to check your priorities there

@@acruzp???

​@@acruzpSounds to me like he's got his priorities in order just fine. If anything maybe he should up his cardio sessions to 45 min.

@@whoknows852why 45 min as opposed to something like 25-30 min? Just curious. Maybe I’m following the wrong type of fitness pages but I’ve always seen anything more than 30 is excessive.

@@sdcisaacmost of the cardio people do is low intensity, so adding more time allows for some near end intensity. runners, bikers, long distance guys need not worry about this since their cardio is about maintaining a harder pace.

Oh shit, I completely forgot about Alan Thrall! I haven’t had one of his videos recommended to me in years.

@@markcurry3083 he kinda sucks now

what had happened?@@hipdrive

​@La-ld9mn he's a mature human who has a nuanced approach to fitness, he's not screaming about tren and ego lifting so losers don't like him

@@PcCAvioN top glazer

Yeah exactly. He's a fitness dude who doesn't really have a problem with motivation and routine. For me, cardio at the gym is the beat option

Also, I don't have a lot of hills where I live, so I can do a hill routine on a treadmill that I can't get in my neighborhood.

Well yeah they're all juiced up with heart problems

Yeah ok... id like to see a bodybuilder get lean without it... follow the pros... they alllllllllll do cardio

@@sobered1344 what incentive is there for fitness influencers to lie about it? If your diet doesn't have high fat content then the calorie stores aren't coming from fat in lifting. It's a death sentence to bodybuild or powerlift into your middle ages with no cardio, but a fat burn is not it

My goal is to be just an athletic person not a bodybuilder. Being too lean can be bad too. Like to be ripped but not unsustainably lean.

Cardio before you weight train. Eat then lift

@@sobered1344 Yeah because pro body builders are medically obese. They would all drop dead of heart attacks at 43 if they never did cardio, and some still do in spite of doing cardio. Not to mention, improving cardio improves your performance with weights which improves muscle growth.

This 👍🏻

How do you have the energy for 45 minutes of cardio after weights? Are you not lifting as hard or something?

@@kevinkchao8 Each one has its level of resistance. I do my strength training and every set I train to failure and I still have the energy to run. I've been used to this routine for many years. What is too much for some may be normal for others.

@@ruimarques1979 I wanted to try this, but each time I do I would last 5 minutes before getting light headed and super fatigued. Do you think it has something to do with what I eat before training? I usually just have like 3-4 eggs, but maybe I should add more carbs.

@@kevinkchao8 I don't cut carbs, and a coenzyme Q10 supplement helps a lot to have higher energy levels.

I'm finally learning this for myself! I've been limited by my oxygen intake/cardio. I still have 3-6 reps in the tank and can lift heavier, but my heart doesn't let me, so I've made no progress in the past couple of months. Cardio and strength training need to go hand in hand. It's like having a Ferrari with the ability to soar at lightning speed, but you've got no gas in it, so it's not gonna go anywhere. The goal for me now is to add in cardio to see if it increases my work capacity.

Training for cardio will not improve your performance in the gym. Lifting weights is an anaerobic exercise and you'd have to do the equivalent of a 400m sprint on every set to even begin to tap into your aerobic capacity. From a metabolic perspective how long you can lift depends on the glyocgen levels in your muscle cells and systemic fatigue.

Absolutely 💯​@@iliketoast-q9b

​@@iliketoast-q9bTraining cardio would improve your heart and blood circular system which then improves your weight training.

@@ltr1745 Weight training already trains your cardio vascular system in a specific way to handle the high transient loads. You can't squat or deadlift 405+ if you have a weak heart. So no, training cardio does not improve lifting performance. Soft cardio like walking or going for a swim is good for recovery and longevity though.

Probably a 20-30 min bicycle ride, then ;)

Some people are delusional with their advice…walk to the gym? Are we all in London or NY? 😂

use a bike

Use a damn bicycle bro. Cycling burns more calories than walking

90+ pounds?😟

@@buddahkz9980 yes , hit a wall was stuck at down 80 for a while but got over the hump. 100+ incoming 💪🏻

@@AlmightyWel wow great work bro get it 😎👍

​@@AlmightyWel That's awesome, best of luck. I have about 30ish lbs to lose. How much of a caloric deficit are you doing?

@@MiamiVice. i do 1500 sometimes 1700 at max but when im in this serious mode i keep it at that. I was stuck at being down 85 lbs for a while but luckily i was able to maintain but i know i just never wanted to go back to where i was before.

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Couldn’t agree more.

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Exactly. If you want to do cardio, lift the weights faster.

If there's an s after rep youre cardioing too much

Bingo!

Uh yeah, but then why watch training videos?

I’ve seen the long version of this vid and he says that he would recommend you do the cardio before the weight training session if possible. I agree with the point it isn’t going to kill your gains, just that it isn’t optimal for best results

esp if you're not doing HIIT. 20 minutes on the treadmill at a pace where you can talk and are burning fat. cardio, esp when you're getting older is still essential. you also don't want to burn out by going full tilt after a weight training session.

Most Olympia athletes do cardio after workout anyway when on prep

Being in a caloric deficit will kill your gains though, lol. Some cardio is fine if it's low-intensity, but HIIT or going for a run isn't beneficial to muscle protein synthesis at all. It actaully directly competes with it and if you bodybuilding, powerlifting or anything strength realted is your thing then stamina doesn't matter, though of course there are exceptions.

Agreed, this is regarded, most ppl work and have families to take care off, who in the right mind is gonna go twice a day 💀

I do it similarly: 10 min warmup walk before weights and 30-40 min fast walk with 20kg weight on my shoulders. It makes me feel much much better during the day and my calfs are getting bigger coz I always walk uphill

Yes I am warm blooded sweet like a pig even in winter always been that way no matter of I weighed 240 or 160 does not matter. One reason I hate summer 😄

add protein and carb shake at the end of weight session before 20 min cardio or may you doing it already

I agree. Cardio is a nice, moderate warmup

He's saying you should do cardio on seperate days to your lifting routine. And nobody said you won't see any gains when you do cardio right before or after strength training, it's just not optimal. As a moderate warmup cardio is fine but so is just doing the exercise with light weight, gradually increasing up to your training weight.

this is kinda my thinking. Ik that a lot of sources say the "interference effect" is real and I believe them to an extent, but I wonder how much that effect applies to overage bf% and muscular people vs roided out bodybuilders

he has a longer much in depth video where it is explained and there are trade offs even if you are beginner.

@@Eustres where ?

@@BigDees19 look up “RP lifting Vs Cardio”

Yeah it's stupid. Lots of jack people do cardio before or after workouts. It doesn't stop gains.

Yep! Same! 👏

Same.

I need to get a airbike lol

Bikes are for punks go get a run in 💪🏻

That's the ideal combo

​As a person who runs daily, stfu dude. You sound like a dumb ass ​@@Eatmyshots187

Coming from the northern US I was thinking the same thing. How lucky it must be to live within walking distance and not have 2 ft of snow between you and the gym.

Sounds like good cardio

sounds like you burn more calories by walking less distance that way

@@sadonionsneeze4248 it was -40 to -50 here for two weeks before Xmas. You burn off more than calories if you’re out in those temperatures.

I think one of the points he's trying to make is that going to the gym is a waste of time for certain exercises. Try sitting down and standing back up 1,000 times while watching your favorite TV show. Beats driving in 3' of snow and you're getting two things done at once 🤷‍♂️

He's not talking about two sessions per day, one for cardio and one for hypertrophy, but rather to do cardio on seperate days entirely. One competes fpr recources with the other if you actually train hard in both, especially on the same day.

The elliptical is amazing for my knees.

Exactly! ⏳👏

Yessir!

sarcasm?

Yeah if you're only in the gym 4-5 days a week you've got plenty of time to do cardio on off days. And if it's only for the health benefits, you seem to get those with like 1 decent session a week anyway.

@@ninjadudeofficial Is that sarcasm as well? 4-5 times a week is a lot for natural lifters. A proper leg day alone needs 2 days of recovery, in some cases even more.

​@@ninjadudeofficial 4-5 days a week is by far the maximum you should be doing any weight training. No "only" about it. More than 5 and you're just doing it wrong.

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Makes 2 of us

This

Most people don't need to work out more than 3 times a week and that's alreay plenty if you do it properly. You grow muscles during recovery, not in the gym. Also why would you need to double the amount of training sessions? What are we training for here, a strongman triathlon?

Strength training also trains the heart, though in a different way to cardio. If you walk a few thousand steps per day you should be fine, that's actually cardio believe it or not. Going for regular walks is actually super healthy, both for the body and your mind.

@@iliketoast-q9b these are all very good, but it does not train VO2 max very much. If all you do is strength train and walk that’s well and good, but it’s better if you add in more difficult cardio such as running, biking, sprints, etc

@@Electric_ Training for VO2 max and hypertrophy is difficult to get right and not ideal for either. Our bodies need time to recover and when you're lifting heavy AND training for a high VO2 max...boy that's a lot of workload to recover from. If health is your primary goal you don't need to train for stamina to stay healthy and a few thousand steps each is plenty. Especially if you're more after hypertrophy and strength. Same goes the other way around, moderate strength training is all you need for your health and might even be counterproductive for some sports.

Agreed. Doing some cardio after weight training isn't going to kill your gains 💪

@@HerculesFit I mean, it is

It should be elaborated that multiple factors play into this such as bf%, supplementation, the intensity & overall time of you being in a catabolic state for & multitude of other factors especially if you're absolute beginner and you gain muscle by looking at a dumbbell. It's unlikely that you're going to regress in your gains if you're keeping track of your progress and making sure to progress in your lifts and not going absolutely insane running 2 hours on an incline treadmill on a daily basis. but the most important takeaway from my approach to this topic is to keep track of your progress, try new things if they work better and adjust things according to your goals and i have my full trust in you reaching your goals.

@@LVIII_LXI_XC_XC that’d be why you’re small

​@@soonahero that'd be why you can't walk around the block without hyperventilating 😂

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That’s an interesting point that you are bringing up. Ever since I integrated Zone 2 cardio training into my training routine I also feel better. Every month my average resting heart rate is improving and my heart rate variability went completely through the roof. I feel better but I also feel more motivated. It really rings true what you said: The heart needs movement to stay motivated!

1000%. The benefits of cardio apply to all of life. It gives you the positive mood and the endurance and the focus to get through anything. It’s a natural antidepressant, and a natural stimulant. I literally can’t function without regular cardio. The benefits of lifting apply to one single aspect of life - looking jacked

That is really a good point, I feel the same way. If I do not do cardio, I'll feel tired for the rest of the day and not motivated to do anything. 30 minutes light running after weight training is beneficial both to your mental health and heart health.

You said you gain muscle easily naturally so that means you are genetically gifted. Do you compete in bodybuilding?

That's called noobgains. If cardio is your thing, that's great. But please realize that the heart also gets stressed during a porper workout at the gym as well. You can't squat 400+ pounds with a weak heart. And don't forget to recover, that's when you actually grow and improve. A constantly stressed heart is not going to last...

amateur runners can definitely have non-running related benefits from weightlifting but pro runners will definitely lose speed from doing heavy weightlifting even if they don't add body weight. I have been combining running and lifting for the last 7 years and I can definitely say that lifting has affected my running much more negatively than vice versa. I can squat almost the same weight after a half-marathon a day before, but running a fast half-marathon after legs day is more problematic.

Yeah but people leave out the "hard" qualifier, or make the assertion with the implicit generalization that ANY cardio WHATSOEVER is gonna hamper gains and that's just not the case

i dont understand all the people saying that doing cardio before lifting weights will sap all of your energy and make you put less effort into lifting, which i think is ridiculous. I would run 1-2KM on the treadmill first thing, rest for 5 minutes or so and drink fluids and stuff on that small downtime, then hit the weights immediately after. It got my blood pumping and was a good warm up for my body. I guess everyone's different, but i never had a problem doing cardio before lifting

High intensity like sprints? That's ok, honestly what he's saying is pointless, sports players train for like three hours..no muscle loss

@@_baller Last I checked most sports players aren't going for maximum muscle mass as that is not their primary goal.

@@_baller What liquidcxxx said and also professional athletes that need a lot of muscle mass are often on the juice. If you want to combine cardio and strength training in the same day you should do low-intensity cardio a few hours before or after your strength-training. If you're doing high intensity sprints shortly before or after a proper workout you're asking for trouble.

@@Ryan_DeWitt oh are you? Lmao, they have more muscle mass than you

@@iliketoast-q9b so is Dr mike

chicken lol

BS

@@dr.psycho5606 nope

Sure random person , I’m sure you do😮

What do you do for joints? Smokin one before the cardio? Recomp is fine if youre already above 20 or 25 %bf, but the best way to build muscle or lose fat is to focus on one at a time. If youre in this for the long term there's no reason to try and stay super lean while trying ro build

Who tf wants to spend time to workout everyday

@@theunicornbay4286I do

I have been riding my bike to the gym and back with a total of 40+ mins for over 16 years. Still made alot of gains.

There’s literally a study saying cardio doesn’t kill gains.

For me it’s almost around the corner.Thankfully. It helps my consistency.

What's stupid about that?

Your Imagination: below zero. Reality: mildly chilly 45 degrees.

@@thersten You obviously didnt live in the Midwest/North this January. In KC It was single to negative for a week straight. Then Single to 20 most of the month

@@thersten I live in MInnesota, we are BELOW ZERO on the regular but you just wanted to spout off and make someone feel dumb. Good thing, the dumb one isn't me.

The blunting effect is BS this guy is full of it, do your CARDIO it will actually help you build muscle as a whole faster due to better circulation, stronger heart and many more benefits.

1. I would imagine so... This is a 1% of 1% idea. "Ideal" is often not really ideal. 2. Also probably... One of the blunting effects he may be mentioning is the idea of reducing the inflammation local to the muscle using a cardio machine (i.e. air bike after squats)

The likelihood of you doing enough cardio to effect your muscle gain is basically 0 Most people aren't doing enough

Yes i do it for few minutes as well like a cooldown

You can do cardio after working out, don't overthink it. His speaking non sense here

You must not live where it’s over 103 degrees most of year.

I can understand a few reasons. The first is if you're a woman. I can understand why many women would be uncomfortable being outside alone. The second is heat and humidity. The heat is BAD in the equatorial regions of earth, almost year round. It is better to make it easier on yourself to do cardio; if it is too uncomfortable then you may avoid doing it altogether

Rained all day today. Didnt feel like doing weights because still sore. But still did 1hr cardio and some stretching, abs, hyperextensions instead sitting around watching TV.

@@vlada Aw. It rained. Yeah. Completely impossible to go outside then.

In my rural area I would most likely be hit by a car if I walked/ran to the gym.

Better to do cardio on one day and strength training on another. Are you doing sports specific training or just exercising as a hobby?

That’s what I do also.

@@iliketoast-q9b no. No it’s not. Lol it may be better to strength train in most cases but doing it On different days?no dude.. sorry guy idk where you get your information from but just no….

@@LILJROD90 Also you didn't answer my question and what kind of cardio are you doing in the morning (low-, moderate- or high-intensity)?

@@iliketoast-q9b I finished the video and am still waiting for the point that Dr Mike said you should do cardio on separate days. All things in he said about cardio were true for the most part but he surprisingly missed the part about how great cardio is for your heart! But: 1: my cardio fits my schedule. I love getting up and starting my day with a ride on my peloton. I don’t have to leave my home I just go in the next room and boom. I’m there (plus I have a garage gym so I never have to leave home to train) 2: I don’t feel depleted or or Overly fatigued throughout the day. I do have a mostly desk job but I come home and get lots of stuff done and am useful around my house. My cardio doesn’t make me a lazy ass hole. 3: even with all I do at home I’m right at the Moderate-high activity baseline (10,000 steps). So cardio is necessary FOR ME. Bottom line like Dr Mike said several times if it works for you and you enjoy it then by all means keep doing it. Not once did he say you have to do it on separate days as weight training. I absolutely freaking love it and it helps me reach and stay at my goals. And I feel amazing. I sleep like a baby. I have energy all day and it just kicks stars my day. And my heart is HEALTHY. Which again I was surprised he neglected to mention allllll the health benefits that do come from doing cardio. *takes deep breath* I don’t know why I felt the need to explain myself to some stranger on the internet. We’re all here to get healthy and live life to its full capacity! Do what you do bother and I’ll keep doing what I do! God Bless!!! 😃

Cardio burns you out faster so it's better to do it after

Exactly. Do what you care about first. Most of us don't have time to workout and shower twice

20 minutes of light cardio after weights isn't a problem. I do the same, but I walk at an incline on the treadmill for 15 - 20.

If it's slow & steady for a few min

Unless you're doing a marathon after each training session, you're not gonna lose muscle doing cardio

It helps you recover by slightly blunting the adaptation process from the lifting session. So yes you recover faster, but you also get a little bit less gains than you otherwise would’ve. It’s kinda like icing or taking an anti-inflammatory after lifting, sure it helps you recover, but you’re reaping less adaptations in the process.

the loss in muscle has more to do with cardio during a cut and the effects of low intensity cardio are much less significant than high intensity cardio, so a moderate amount of light cardio after training can be great on a bulk.

​@@aguy3082take AAS enough to blunt muscle loss. Problem solved 💁‍♂️

I guess what Dr. Mike means is that you would ideally go straight into rest and recovery, skipping the cardio, for optimal adaptation. I doubt that half an hour of light walking would blunt much to be honest though.

cortisol

see the full length video, is about 30 minutes ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-kfcaMF1ipvk.html

It's to do with signalling pathways, cardio upregulates ampk which blunts mtor. Mtor is the main pathway for signalling muscle protein synthesis.

It's just more bullshit pseudo-bro science. My best shape EVER was an hour of lifting followed by an hour of cardio. 215 sub 10% bf.

Same. Low getting that blood flowing before a lift. Makes me feel alive.

@robertmuro6605 @EmperorBeastKaido I thought I was the only one, a nice 25-35 minute cardio routine before the lift gets the blood flowing

I guess depends of the cardio. Also the pump would go away regardless. I prefer to do 15-20min of high intensity run on fast walk on an max incline. Personally I fell like its adding to my pump. The problem is long lasting cardio which is bad for muscle/strength gain, but I do believe 10-20min explosive cardio is adding to the progress.

That escalated quickly 😅

@@ssonicdeafmonkey😂😂

'Just go for a 30 minute walk at a decent pace' ' It's just as effective as 20 minutes on the elliptical a few times a week' Have you ever trained super hard on an elliptical for 20 minutes? Because if you have you will know full well that it is far more intense than walking at 'a decent pace for 20 mins"

That second paragraph sounded a bit too specific...