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Carl Hartman Tone Preserver - A "must have" for any tube amp owner! 

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"The Tone Preserver is a dedicated line voltage reducer built to lower the voltage from your AC outlet to provide proper voltage for your beloved vintage amp that was built to run at 110 or 115v. It is heavy duty-built like a tank. I opened it up to see that it was neatly designed and beautifully built, definitely a labor of love. All of the labeling is done on black front plaques with engraved-looking white lettering and white sides. Very classy. Built in what looks like a military gray metal box with a large VU meter and a red chickenhead knob on the front, it’s decidedly simple to use." - Premier Guitar
vintagesoundworkbench.com/sho...
ToneQuest article where I first heard of the Tone-Preserver:
Perhaps you've heard how Eddie Van Halen used a variac to coax his vintage Marshall into those gloriously cocky ‘brown’ tones from his early recordings by knocking the voltage down to 90 VAC on his Marshall with a variac... As is so often the case in the music world, rumors of the Van Halen variac circulated like the clap among guitarists, some of whom got the story wrong, thinking that by really cranking a variac beyond 110 volts (more is better, right?) they would be delivered to electric Shangri-La post haste. As amps blew up, interest in variacs waned.
Other musicians who were at least grounded in a casual, street-wise understanding of physics had discovered that their amps indeed sounded better at slightly lower voltages than the typical 120VAC USA wall current, as Junior Watson sagely noted in our December 2006 ‘West Coast Blues’ cover story. Tonal considerations aside, working the aging components in a vintage amp at 120 volts when it was originally designed to run at 115 isn’t optimal either, and this fact was not lost on a tube hi-fi enthusiast in Illinois by the name of Carl Hartman. A guitarist friend of Carl’s who owns vintage amps had seen a voltage reduction circuit somewhere online, inspiring Carl to do some research of his own, since he had noticed that the transformers on his vintage Dynaco tube hi-fi amp would become hot enough to ‘fry an egg’ at today’s higher wall currents. Carl: “I found a design for reducing the line voltage in an ARRL manual - an Amateur Radio Relay League ham radio manual from around 1944-45. It is a fairly straightforward method of dropping the line voltage using a transformer. If you wire the transformer in phase with the current it will boost it by whatever the output of the transformer is, and if you wire it out of phase it will reduce it by the same amount. So I built this thing and tried it on the Dynaco and you could now put your hand on the transformer - it was running cooler, as designed. I talked with my guitar playing friends and while you can use a variac, they weigh a good twenty pounds, they aren’t really portable, and there is no volt meter, so you can’t see the actual voltage you’re drawing. My design for the Amp Preserver is a labor of love... I hand-machine the box, I have an assortment of chassis punches and it’s all hand-drilled and hand-punched, hand soldered and built like a rock.”
We agree. Carl’s little gray box is indeed built to last in ‘50s mil-spec style, but that’s not why you’ll want it. Sure, given a choice, none of us would choose to cook the original compo- nents in our vintage amps with five more volts than the 115 these amps were designed for (or the proper 105 VAC for British amps). Here in Atlanta, our line current is pegged at exactly 120, and we’ve heard that the line voltage in New York can exceed 125! Your vintage American amps were intended to ‘see’ 115, British amps 105, and the single chicken head knob on the Amp Preserver has three settings - ‘Line,’ which is your actual line current, 6, which will take our line current in Atlanta down to precisely 115, or -12, at 109. Comfortable in the knowledge that you are now no longer over-cooking yer precious babies, you’ll also experience a tonal benefit of impressive proportions... At 115 VAC our vintage Fender amps sound clearer and cleaner. No, not as in ‘lost’ distortion clean... the amps just sound clearer at all volume levels, and you’ll notice that a certain amount of trashy stuff lurking in the high frequencies when you overdrive the amp completely disappears at 115. You may not have noticed this trashy stuff... but you will when comparing the ‘Line’ and -6 settings as the clarity emerges. The net effect is not unlike the difference between a lot of current production ‘PAF’ hum buckers and vintage PAFs in terms of clarity and note separa- tion. It’s just a superior sound.
Now, Carl Hartman’s home workshop is no factory, so you may have to wait a bit to receive your Amp Preserver, but at $179, it is definitely an essential, must-have tool. We have ours rigged
with a surge protector/power strip that allows all of our amps to be connected to Carl’s box, which features a heavy duty on/off toggle switch on the back. Preserve and enjoy...TQ

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@carlhartman2818
@carlhartman2818 4 года назад
Stan, thanks so much for the great review of the Tone Preserver! Very much appreciated.
@122Music1
@122Music1 Год назад
I bought one of these. It works very well. Definitely not BS. Took a long time to get it since he builds them order to order. Worthwhile though.
@JimmyDevere
@JimmyDevere 4 года назад
Hey Stan! Good to hear from you again. I use my TonePresever every day. I use it on both vintage and modern Fender, Mesa Boogie, and Germino. I take it to every reherasal etc.
@wallaceseal3072
@wallaceseal3072 4 года назад
I am going to buy one ! Thank you for the very well done walk thru !!!!
@millstap
@millstap 4 года назад
You're welcome Wallace. The word needs to get out there because Carl doesn't have a massive advertising budget so it is word-of-mouth marketing.
@millstap
@millstap 4 года назад
Also, if you just have one amp, some people would rather have a fully adjustable voltage reducer. Carl also makes that device called the Amp Maniac, vintagesoundworkbench.com/shop?olsPage=products.
@dirtcreature1
@dirtcreature1 4 года назад
I've had mine forever! Love it! Purchased one to run with my 64 Super Reverb. Great product, I like being able to set mine at any voltage, not just a few choices that drop the voltage by a few percent each time.
@millstap
@millstap 4 года назад
So you bought the Maniac? I am going to do a demo on the Maniac soon. I am thinking everyone should have both. For $400 you can have both. There are some big advantages to the Maniac too as it works similar to a Variac but is light and compact. But, it probably will only run one amp at a time. I did an experiment last night and saw that my Bassman with a separate Fender reverb unit was spiking at about 1.4A when I was playing loud. I am going to run two Bassman and reverb units and see if it will blow the 2.5A fuse in the Maniac. The Preserver for the home jam room and the Maniac for the one amp gigs.
@theriffwniksevigny5473
@theriffwniksevigny5473 4 года назад
Excellent Stan!
@millstap
@millstap 4 года назад
Hopefully I pronounced your last name correctly, lol.
@theriffwniksevigny5473
@theriffwniksevigny5473 4 года назад
millstap yes. Im going to look into these now
@millstap
@millstap 4 года назад
@@theriffwniksevigny5473 Also look at the Amp Maniac. It is completely variable but is only fused at 2.5A so you may not be able to run as many amps on it, and it is $219.99.
@millstap
@millstap 4 года назад
@@theriffwniksevigny5473 I did a little experiment last night. I watched the amp meter as I jammed with the 1959 and a vintage Fender reverb unit hooked up. The amperage peaked some times to 1.4A so the chances of blowing the 2.5A fuse on the Maniac are pretty high if I run a two amp rig through it. I am going to do a demo on the Maniac soon and will try to blow the fuse using two amps. I'm thinking for $50 more ($400) than the BrownBox, you can have both the Preserver and the Maniac. Leave the Preserver with all the amps hooked up in the jam room at home and take the Maniac to all of the one amp gigs. It will be an interesting demo because I am going to dial in the heater voltage to exactly 6.3VAC and see what the plate voltage ends up being. I wouldn't be surprised if it matches the schematic exactly at 432VDC.
@MrTimdcarroll
@MrTimdcarroll 3 года назад
I ordered my Amp Maniac! Can't wait. almost bought a Brown Box ... saved money!
@millstap
@millstap 3 года назад
Great. That was my whole mission, to save everyone money. The Hartman was around way before the BrownBox was even a thought so I needed to remind everyone there are better options.
@kuitaristi3003
@kuitaristi3003 4 года назад
It even goes to 12!
@johnanderson27
@johnanderson27 Год назад
Can you tell me the difference between a tone preserver and the amp maniac and do have any experience with the JHS black amp box ?
@millstap
@millstap Год назад
Sorry I took so long to answer. The Tone Preserver is fused at 5.0 amps and has three settings, line voltage, -6V and -12V. The Maniac is fused at 2.5A and is fully adjustable from 0VAC to line voltage. You can hook up a few more amps to the Preserver because of the fusing but the Maniac can easily handle two amps at the same time. I have both. I like the Maniac because I can dial in my amp's voltage exactly. I am not familiar with the JHS box. It looks like you have to have an effects loop on your amp to hook it up. The Preserver and Maniac are best for vintage amps but they can still monitor voltages on new amps if you live in an area where voltages vary a lot between venues.
@JInfinity7
@JInfinity7 2 года назад
Does it protect against power surges and (idk if Im using correct term) does it offer protection against ungrounded outlets?
@millstap
@millstap 2 года назад
No, it is strictly a voltage reducer. Whatever power surge hits it will be passed on but at a lower voltage that you have pre-set. I use surge protectors like the Furman or Tripp-Lite and plug the Hartman into them.
@matthewf1979
@matthewf1979 4 года назад
I can’t believe I missed this video!
@millstap
@millstap 4 года назад
Hey Matt, I just posted this one this morning, ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-grkJPSbOQmE.html. You may like it better. It was killer because I dialed in the heater voltage to 6.3VAC and the plate voltage ended up being 432VDC +/- on both the 1959 and 1960 Bassmans. The AC voltage ended up being 113VAC. Pretty cool. I was surprised the voltages matched up to the schematic so perfectly. I noticed on the '59 Reissue Bassman schematic, they have the plate voltages all the way up to 491VDC.
@matthewf1979
@matthewf1979 4 года назад
millstap Yeah, I watched both videos. You made me laugh a little when you talked about the high reissue voltage and tube ratings. We all run old Tung Sol 5881’s with a 360vdc plate/screen rating at 440ish volts. New tubes don’t do that though.
@millstap
@millstap 4 года назад
@@matthewf1979 Yeah, those old Tung-sols are indestructible. One of the 5881's in the 1959 was hit with 230VDC on the grid and was smoking hot. That was several years ago. Now, with a cracked base, it is still working perfectly. They made them tough back then.
@matthewf1979
@matthewf1979 4 года назад
millstap I’ve been buying up reasonably priced Tung Sol 6L6WGB/5881 on eBay. $80 and under for new or near new a pair. So far, they’ve all been good, strong tubes. One pair is labeled GE, but not Canadian. It looks exactly like the usual re-labled Tung Sol, but has the GE EIA code and US made. It’s a real oddball pair, but they test and work like a Tung Sol. It’s even missing a pin and the base looks different on the bottom. A few months ago, I built a Tone Preserver style buck transformer. It’s got a 12 amp filament transformer in it! Totally overkill but it’ll last forever and never get warm. I’ll send you a picture on Facebook.
@matthewf1979
@matthewf1979 4 года назад
millstap The pictures are in the comments of your latest video on Facebook.
@jimcastillo8950
@jimcastillo8950 2 года назад
Hello Millstap, a question so when you bias the tubes do you bias them with the tone preserver or are you bias the tubes with the line voltage from the wall?
@michaelinglis567
@michaelinglis567 2 года назад
From the preserver. So not from what you see at the wall. What matters is what your amp sees not what the tone preserver sees.
@bluesbondsman
@bluesbondsman 3 года назад
looks great, however is it shipped with no side panels for safety ?
@millstap
@millstap 3 года назад
It’s a completely enclosed metal case.
@pharmerdavid1432
@pharmerdavid1432 2 года назад
Just received a Brown Box voltage "reducer", and the AC amps meter doesn't work, very disappointing with something this expensive. I have my 1957 Gibson GA-40 plugged into it, reduced the voltage from 120 volts to 115, but might take it down to 110. The amp says 110-125 volts below the pilot light - lower is better? ANYways, not having the AC amp meter working is a defect, which makes me wonder if I can trust the voltage meter...? Maybe after returning it for a refund I'll buy one of those instead.
@Nicko30able
@Nicko30able 4 года назад
wow....I didn't know there was a choice...they owe you brother! Do you have a link to put a few pennies in your pocket for one of us buying one?
@millstap
@millstap 4 года назад
I'm just trying to help everyone with their tone and amp maintenance and trying to keep your out-of-pocket costs down.
@telecaster-ns3vr
@telecaster-ns3vr 4 года назад
I tape my variac knob in place so it can’t move. Then run a power bar off that
@millstap
@millstap 4 года назад
Well, without the ammeter, you're missing one of the biggest benefits; the monitoring of the health of your amp. That was the main reason I upgraded to the digital meter. Actually, in my next video of the Amp Maniac, which is a fully adjustable Tone Preserver, I may demonstrate how my bad rectifier tube causes the amp to draw more amps until it blows the fuse. That will be an interesting experiment and I'm not sure if it requires me to jam with it for a while before the fuse blows or if it is an instant buildup in ampere draw. Plus, you don't have to tape the knob because the Amp Maniac will never allow the output voltage to go above line voltage. Another big benefit as far as the info I have found on Ebay for cheap Variacs, the Tone Preserver weighs 2.88 lbs. vs. 8.5 lbs. for the 5A Variac type. That is the lightest weighing Variac I could find, made in China.
@normrivers2857
@normrivers2857 4 года назад
This is just a simple buck/boost transformer with taps on the secondary to drop or boost output by a desired voltage. The transformer in the unit costs about 18 dollars. You could build this without the digital or analog meter (which you really don't need) for less than $60 US dollars. Be careful adding additional amp loads beside just one amplifier to it. Because at idle guitar amps pull very low current. But turn that amp up to seven and add a fuzz face, wah, and/or delay or modulation pedal and slam a low E or Eflat power chord and have a ammeter hookup to it and you will find out why your amp has a 2A or 4A rated slo-blo fuse in it.
@carlhartman2818
@carlhartman2818 4 года назад
We get this question all the time: Can't I just build my own unit with about thirty dollars worth of parts and accomplish the same thing? I think I saw the circuit on the internet somewhere. If you believe that, then you have not priced quality parts and components lately. You could build your own if you have the technical know-how, experience, and the proper tools to do so. The Tone Preserver is built with top quality components and is built for the gigging musician, not your average basement experimenter.
@millstap
@millstap 4 года назад
Since I build and sell my own pedals now, I have a lot of respect for the amount of work that goes into a quality product like the Tone Preserver. When you get your car repaired, you will notice the labor costs are usually the highest charge on the bill. And, also the investment in tools has to be factored into the total price. I was trying to refret all of my Strats until I realized it was going to take a $1,000 investment in tools just to get started. On the multiple amps, I've hooked up two Super Reverbs and the two Tweed Bassman amps in this video and cranked all four of them at the same time just to do it. Not one fuse was blown anywhere.
@millstap
@millstap 4 года назад
I will be demoing the Amp Maniac soon. It is the best alternative to a Variac. It is light weight, the same size as this Preserver, and it goes from 0-Line VAC. So, you can also use it to slowly bring up the voltage on old amps to possibly reform the electrolytic capacitors. It is a little more at $219.99. Check out the product link in the Description above to see it.
@antonix_81
@antonix_81 4 года назад
Could you use a variac instead and decide to run it lets say 110 ? This device is a great deal anyway
@millstap
@millstap 4 года назад
Variacs are dangerous to use with your amp. Not only are they bulky and heavy, they can go to 140VAC which would blow your amp up.
@antonix_81
@antonix_81 4 года назад
@@millstap ah ok so if by accident it's set up higher that is a risk.. 👍🏻
@antonix_81
@antonix_81 4 года назад
@@millstap we have the same problem here in italy ,instead of 220 is running at 230 ,so it's a problem for vintage amps...
@millstap
@millstap 4 года назад
@@antonix_81 Yes, if someone inadvertently turns that knob to the max, your amp is toast. The Amp Maniac would be a great choice for one amp and is the best alternative to the Variac. The problem now is Carl does not have an EU version but he is going to start working on one.
@blackdotpatrick
@blackdotpatrick 4 года назад
I would prefer fine tuning of voltage instead of only 3 settings.
@millstap
@millstap 4 года назад
Carl does make that device, the Amp Maniac, vintagesoundworkbench.com/amp-maniac, but it is only for one amplifier. That would work great if you just run one amp at gigs.
@millstap
@millstap 4 года назад
vintagesoundworkbench.com/shop?olsPage=products, $219.99.
@millstap
@millstap 4 года назад
I just spoke with Carl and you can run as many amps as you want just as long as the ampere draw is not more than 2.5 amps total but he can also custom build a 5 amp version.
@bobanthony929
@bobanthony929 4 года назад
What are the dimensions of the box??
@millstap
@millstap 4 года назад
5" x 4" x 6" (W x H x D)
@millstap
@millstap 4 года назад
The Amp Maniac is the same dimensions. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-grkJPSbOQmE.html
@michaelinglis567
@michaelinglis567 2 года назад
If you build this yourself it's about $30. Ask me how I know lol. $30 to $50 at the most. And that includes A BETTER LCD screen that measures voltage, current, freq and wattage/power. But yes these are very very very useful devices. And changing the analog display for a nice LCD display would have cost you $15. If you used the kind that's in the tone preserver you could have picked one up for about $8 on the high side from amazon.
@millstap
@millstap 2 года назад
Okay, how do you know it will cost $30. You can hardly build anything nowadays for $30. Just shipping for the parts alone will be $30. Have you tried getting parts lately? I think even Carl is having a hard time finding the right meters. The supply chain problems are really getting worse. I take it you make your own enclosures too because they aren't cheap for the right size if you can find them. I hadn't thought about changing the analog meter with a digital one. I use my two digitals now but I could always use a third. Now, I prefer the Maniac which works like a Variac. I think I would prefer to convert my third one to a Maniac. Does yours have that kind of variable adjustment? Oh, I see I am not talking about the Maniac here, here it is, vintagesoundworkbench.com/shop/ols/products/amp-maniac. I just found one on Reverb for $115.
@michaelinglis567
@michaelinglis567 2 года назад
@@millstap I live 20 minutes from mouser electronics (it's in Mansfield and I'm on the border of Fort Worth Texas) so I use their will call (now that they reopened it finally, it was close mid almost 2 years cause of covid) which means I can avoid shipping costs on most parts i need. And the transformer (115V 6.3vCT, 4A) is $17 on mouser an a good quality hammond enclosure is $22 on mouser (hammond 511-0900). The display i use reads Voltage, current, power/wattage and energy/Wh and its $15 on amazon. Bbut for $8 you could get a display meter that just reads volts and amps like the one used on the "Tone Preserver" and save some money. So that brings us to $45 so far using the nicer display meter (to be fair I had everything else lying around). But even if I didnt have the rest lying around (switches, wire, output and input outlets etc.)it would still only cost about $10 or $15 at the absolute most extra for those odds an ends. I personally think the Tone Preserver price isnt highway robbery and it's fair if you dont know how to work with electronics. But if you do then you can save a lot of money (about $200, call it $180 of you have to pay shipping on parts and that's a high estimate since mouser has a hidden shipping option that is normally about $8 and the regular for that amount of stuff is about $12). And I'm rounding up so in reality youd save more then that not less. And another reason to DIY is mine can boost and buck by 6 or 12 and has a line voltage position as well. My line voltage goes from as low as 110v to 128v throughout the year so I need a boost option as well for when I'm using my modern Marshall. Having the option to boost and buck by 6 or 12 keeps me much closer to 120v when I need it or less for vintage equipment. Point being if you build it yourself you save a lot of money AND you can tailor the transformer type, size and wiring configuration to best suit your needs. And to answer your question no, sadly mine isnt variable but I'll likely build one that is eventually. I really like that idea, the amp maniac style variable option that is. It would be even better for my purposes. But for now boosting and bucking by 6 or 12 gets a close enough. I'll likely source a higher amperage transformer when I do that so I really can use it like a variav like you mentioned that can run ALL my gear and correct the voltage for everything I use along side the amp. Specifically because it would be a great bench top variable power supply. I already have a small build I did with some DROK modules that i use as a variable DC bench power supply an use it when I'm building or troubleshooting pedals. I also use that same module to power my active pickups through my guitar cable so I just plug and play with my active pickup guitars (just like with passive instruments) which keeps me from ever needing 9v batteries. But now I'm off topic lol!
@michaelinglis567
@michaelinglis567 2 года назад
@@millstap And the prices I quoted are as of today. I can link everything if you are interested.
@millstap
@millstap 2 года назад
@@michaelinglis567 Thanks Michael. I still need to read all of your last comment. I get almost all of my parts for my speed pedal from Mouser so I know them well. I will see which links I'm interested in and contact you later.
@millstap
@millstap 2 года назад
@@michaelinglis567 The line voltage in Texas goes all the way down to 110VAC? That's interesting. It must be all of the green energy that Texas went to which is the same reason 200 people died during the Great Freeze. Texas, the oil state, what were you thinking? I'm basically a Texan but don't live there now.
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