Me resulta muy agradable que Carlsen (o cualquier otro jugador de ajedrez) diga (con gestos) "ok, me equivoqué, ganaste". Contrariamente a lo que se ve en muchos otros deportes. Es genial.
+Darío González JAJA, sí. Lo que pasa que la mayoría de nosotros le tiramos el tablero por la cabeza al otro :p - Sintió como la emoción se le subió y a los segundos, la proceso y se fue. Aunque habría que evaluar si fue IRA o SORPRESA, no soy un experto en el área como para asegurarlo :) -
No lo creo, el pregunta con un cara muy molesto y con actitud imponente (manteniendo la mano alzada y firme como para lanzar) "are you sure? (estas seguro?) ", quiza; buscando o pretendiendo asustar o por ser un jugador de alto nivel hacer que su oponente lo haga dudar por nerviosismo o quiza; porque piensa que juega tan rápido que el otro jugador ni vio la jugada doble o quiza; pensando que al otro jugador se le olvido; esa regla, lo último que podría pensar es que hizo la pregunta sin querer aceptar su mala jugada, ya que él cambió de posicion porque claramente se dio cuenta de la clavada del alfil a su torre e iba a perder la torre definitivamente, asi; que muy bien se dio cuenta que cambio; la posicion adrede. La pregunta estuvo mal y finalmente perdio; por querer dársela de vivo, sin embargo hacer esa pregunta podría ser válida buscando digamos jugar con un total principiante.
+Victor Casavilca si carlsen cometio ese error y podran ser genios del ajedrez pero somos humanos y cometemos errores . los grandes maestros como anand , capablanca , bobby fischer , kasparov , lasker karpov , spassky , alekhine , todos en su momento tambien perdian partidas por sus errores
Pero para ese caso qué ocurre? movio y luego volvio a mover, pero puede dejarlo en donde quedó cuando movió primero? simplemente anulando el segundo movimiento?
Hola Dax, movió el rey y soltó la pieza (en E4). Una vez soltada, no puede corregirlo. Y si queda en E4 fijate que está en la misma diagonal que la torre, por lo que al recibir un jaque con el alfil, perdería la torre y el juego.
al soltar la pieza ya fue jugada y no puede ser movida en el mismo turno por lo que el segundo movimiento es ilegal y con el error de Carlsen perdia la torre.. Son errores que todos pueden cometer
Absolutely! People go berserk for Carlsen and in the process forget other reputed players. I was amazed at the resourcefulness Savchenko showed against the World No.1 in this game. Actually men find it too hard to digest such a game! Long live the game of Chess! The game of Surprises and The game of Life!!
Guys, I know it seems cheap on Savchenko's part, but Carlsen did indeed break one of the rules of chess. By letting go of the piece then touching it again to move it to a different square, he violated an extension of the touch-move rule. If Carlsen hadn't hit his clock, then the game would have continued after Carlsen rectified his error, but that was impossible after he hit his clock. That made Carlsen's move disqualifiable because unfair time was counting down on Savchenko's clock.
Some seemed to be confused. The standard rule is touch move. In *some* blitz events, they elect to use "clock move" instead. That was obviously not the case here (and normally isn't in FIDE events).
DID YOU EVEN WATCH THE MATCH?? Magnus (who is my favorite of all time) blew it several times. How many times could he have taken the queen uncontested but passed? He could have even snagged the rook uncontested there towards the end but passed. No my friend, Magnus' mind was elsewhere on this day.
@4:30 if Magnus plays Ra1 doesn't he win the queen ?? it only has B3 square to escape to, and after Rfb1, black queen is gone,,,, or am I missing something ?? I did find another variation, but it results in white winning a knight, here it goes : Ra1 Nxe4, Rxa4 Nxd2, Bxd2 and white is 2 points up.
Its funny that people come here and criticized the other guy behavior, like, oh he could offer the draw . . . Are you kidding me? These guys are like titans, they will never give up no matter what and they will fight until the very end. This is chess, its a war game!
Renato Eckel Carlsen was like "hey man pls shut up" but then Savchenko pointed at the clock, Carlsen looked at it and agreed, so probably Carlsen had like 3 seconds left and he would've lost on time anyway.
when you let go of your piece, no matter what type of chess you are playing (talking about tournaments here, not friendly games) that is your move. realizing you made a losing move and attempting to change it is against the rules. you think, move, hit the clock and your opponent does the same. no variations in that :)
Carlsen played Kd4 and tried to change his move. Savchenko correctly pointed out that he let go of the king and could not change his move any more. Carlsen resigned because the next move for Savchenko would be Bf2+ and Carlsen would lose his rook. This would be a totally lost position, so Carlsen resigned.
Yes, it is only after you have hit your clock that the move stands. Watch some of the others, and you will see them pick up a piece that they have already let go, simply because they had not yet hit the clock. In blitz the move is only completed as stands after the player has hit the clock. It is different than standard-rated events.
No, only after the clocks begin does that matter. If you have to fix a piece onto its correct square during the game, you simply say "J'adoube," or "I adjust." And keep in mind, there is no real "Touch Move" rule in place in blitz chess. Your move is completed when you have hit your clock.
las reglas son para todos igual y punto... carlsen soltó la pieza por apuro de tiempo y eso es merito del rival!!! sinó jueguen solamente partidas pensadas largas y listo!!! Estoy de acuerdo con Savchenko.... reglas son reglas!!!
Tienes razón, cabe destacar tambien, que si hacía el movimiento que iba a hacer perdía la torre en el siguiente movimiento, por lo tanto si tiene consecuencias muy grandes.
+Gerardo León +Gerardo León Busquen el video "Nakamura chess blitz" y ponganlo en el minuto 9, el juego es contra Savchenko y el muy santito hace el mismo tipo de jugada que le reclamó a carlsen en este video y Nakamura, como todo verdadero buen maestro, le dejó hacer el cambio.
Mere pescao. Busca el siguiente video "GM Nakamura (2879) - GM Savchenko (2684), Amazing Bltz game, Dubai 2014" en el minuto 2:31 Savchenko hace una jugada ilegal y Nakamura para el juego en vez de seguir jugardo "como todo verdadero buen maestro". Las reglas son las reglas y Carlsen hizo el error. Si fuera un juego amistoso si se pueden ignorar, pero esta gente esta jugando por $. Ese es su trabajo. Es facil hablar como fanatico. Si tu fueses el que estuviera jugando contra Carlsen lo mas seguro te acoges a las reglas.
Touch move is really only true and enforceable in longer time controls, but in blitz the move is considered complete after the clock is hit. Those are the FIDE rules. It is the same way in the United States Chess Federation.
It's called touch-move, if you touch a piece you HAVE to move it (unless it's illegal to move that piece), it doesn't matter if you've hit your clock yet or not.
Not in blitz, since the move is determined by hitting the clock, rather than touching the piece. In regular time controls, you have to move the piece that you touch, which is what is known as "touch move."
@BachFong11 A play can not be changed if the part is released in a box and the movement is legal, unless the opponent does not request the end of the play.
@chessmassi thats a tournament rules unless carlsen didnt drop the king he can still place it to the right square that so called touched move in chess rules... Time used only to determined how fast the player think with brilliant moves... In this game its blitz
Carlsen receives all that attention, to be the first in the world is not easy... I think that all that watchers around him gives an extra pression and as anyone else (but of course less than anybody else) he sometimes blunder his game... But still #1. ¡Great Carlsen!
Not necessarily, since the move is only completed when the clock has been hit, rather than when the piece is released. This is true only in blitz chess.
"When, as a legal move or part of a legal move, a piece has been released on a square, it cannot be moved to another square on this move. The move is then considered to have been made."
accelerated dragon, Magnus sacs a pawn, black gives up knight for pawn to save Queen, Savchenko drums up counterplay, then slight controversy at 9:09 when Magnus takes his hand off his king and is called on it, he resigns, he would have lost a rook and the game...
It’s common curtesy to not call out rule breaking if said broken rule doesn’t actually effect the outcome of the game. Which is why Carlson expressed that disgusted look for a moment.
So if I understand correctly, he didn't lose *because* of trying to move the king twice, but rather, was forced to go with his first move because he let go of the king, and as a result resigned. Right?
+Ausar0 Correct. Magnus must go with his first move if he had let go of the piece, which he did. But that loses his rook, which results in him resigning, as you mentioned.
There is no penalty. He got called for touch-move, and he was forced to move his King back. His penalty was that he was forced to move to a bad square, lose the Rook, and thus the game. What else should he incur for such a simple mistake?
I am looking very carefully, the bishop on e2 (light square) behind the queen is protecting the pawn on c4. So queen is gone! but as i said, when you have short time, you can't think clearly and make good moves
yeah he ran out of time but if he hadn't ran out of time the move would have been illegal he released the piece he moved on the dark square first so that move has to stand no matter what.
Im not clued up on chess rules. Why would carlsen not be allowed to make that move at the end? Is the point of that timer button (if thats what its called) not to declare a move final?
no I don't think so! its a general rule in chess that if you move a piece and let go of it the moves has to stand its not about just touching it so carlsen made a mistake and let go of piece too soon and realised his mistake straight away.
You are entirely wrong. All touch-move rules are the same for all players in all matches and in all FIDE-sanctioned tournaments whether they be blitz or otherwise. There is no such thing as deciding on rules before each match. Watch the videos, you'll see that before most of the matches the players rarely even talk or look each other in the eye, let alone discuss agreeing on rules.
a few people have said that already but why was savchenko pointing to that move and why did carlsen look apologetic after making what seemed to be a mistake..I'm pointing to the fact he released the piece on a different square not just the fact that he touched it and has to move it, I'm sure you can't do that even in blitz?!
The rule is: "Piece touché, piece jouée"! You don't lose to illegal moves! He made a move which loses a rook (lost game). Then he tried changing his move, but the opponent objected, so he resigned, as he lost a rook if he is not allowed to change the move.
I understand the point of having a rule like that but I think it's kinda bullshit if you also have to hit a clock after every move and that rule still applies. It would be different if the players didn't have to hit the clock and Carlsen let go then told Savchenko to continue.
@chessmassi the official rule says the movement has been done when the piece has bee dropped. How ever in friendly games, pressing of the clock is usually the sign of piece moved.
But he pressed his clock before he fixed his error. He moves Kd4, let's go, then moves Kc4, then presses his clock. He should have moved Kd4, let's go, moves Kc4, has his error pointed to him, moves back to Kd4, then presses his clock. That would have been fine.
LMFAO!!!!! I would he dying if he did say shut up XD I thought he said "ah shoot" but the top comment makes more sense, but when they shake hands he looked pissed off e.e
but what the hell was the difference if the king was there or there? is it automatic loss if you move a piece twice? also why did Savchenko swap the rook for the bishop at 8:50?
+Thiago Julia Savchenko quem "ganhou". Pelas regras da FIDE, a jogada está terminada quando você larga a peça. Carlsen tinha errado a posição em que queria por o seu rei. Se ele mantivesse a peça em mãos, poderia ter alterado, só que ele largou e depois alterou, o que é considerado ilegal. Savchenko não perdoou e invocou as regras para ganhar a partida.
Mmm the thing is I don't care about any of your opinions because of this: Yes, it's a rule, it could be applied and say hey it was your mistake, atone for it but it's his call! Not yours, he has the right to say yes or no, can't be denied (I cheered for Carlsen) but it was Savchenko's right to apply the rules even if it's seen as childish, coward or anything.
