Sad Mary had to give up her baby. Astonishing the upperclass father was willing to not only acknowledge the child as his, but also was willing to keep her as a legitimate child.
My family has just begun to do our DNA on both ancestry and 23 and me. Ancestry is a much better tool. I found my family has spread from Ireland to Scotland, Wales, England, Italy, Australia, Canada, and USA. I found second cousins living in the same city as me now which is quite impressive because I am an immigrant to this country. I found my grandmother gave birth to a child while living in the Poor House, I found a bigamist, and one particular man seems to be quite a philanderer. I’ve connected with my second cousins in various countries and we are now friends on Facebook. This is so much fun!
That is so amazing. My mom has an ancestry account and I have been on there researching my father's side. However, when I checked her side of the family. She had traced her paternal side of the family back to the 1000's. Also, in Ireland, Scotland, England and Wales. I am pretty sure there were others listed. However, i am not having any luck on my father's side of the family.
This video shows how it's worthwhile to look at the census and see who lived next to your ancestors. In one branch of my family, every father and son in the neighbourhood is listed as a fisherman. So you learn more about your ancestor's community.
My ancestors' neighbors always had much more interesting occupations than mine. Lol. 95% of mine were farmers in NC. Although, my current research target family, one son-in-law was a JP... but you'd never know that from the Census. Have to dig around and find more information than just Censuses to get a full picture of your family!
Well, I must say that the young man in this story was much more responsible than the one who begat a child to a servant girl in a family I was reseaching. In this instance a girl from a family of farm-labourers in a village in Surrey went to London and became servant to a wealthy family. When she became pregnant to the son of the family, they then sent her back to Surrey, and sent him to New York where he married an heiress. But on the Baptismal register in a little church in Surrey, the Vicar recorded in black and white that the baby he Christened was "the base born son" of that not-quite-so Honourable gentleman.
Yikes😓 My grandmother was born out of wedlock, her mother was working as a housemaid for a married couple and the man knocked her up... Luckily he provided for the child and it was raised in her mother's house until she got married. It was a family secret until after my grandmother's death.
I too used ancestry to help me find the many ancestors who were my family. I found some easier to locate others. Ancestry helped so much. I searched for many sites such as census, obituary and marriage certificates information about my family. Wow, was I surprised by numerous knowledge and to back up the many claims. Thank you ancestry.
Oh wow...I have found that my 6th great grandfather was a owner but I can not find the woman whom he had the child with. I also can not find my 4th great grandfather who would be the grandson of the owner (maybe he was a stranger).
I determined for certain through AncestryDNA that my grandpa’s dad wasn’t his real dad and that instead he was a Jewish neighbor! His legal father had always said my granddad wasn’t his kid too. It was cool to be able to prove this through DNA.
S.k just wondering how did you figure that out i am currently doing my family tree and have hit some brick wall regarding some of my family members so really just curious how to figured this out. For example one of mine seems to have had a kid with the neighbor but its all farmland (records ive shown is that he owned over 200 acres) and that his dad and her parents ere waring with eachother because her parents were supposedly poaching on his land. The child had his last name but seemed to live with her and i found no marriage record
We have got 4 Ancestry DNA testing kits to open on Christmas morning this year, 3 different generations with very different roots, this should be very interesting for my 19 year old son and his 87yr great Grandmother., we have Indian and Jewish brought together by myself and my partner. I am also trying to find siblings, as I was adopted as a baby, Iv found a couple of sisters but know I have a brother a year older than me who was privately adopted at birth so I’m hoping that my missing siblings family may be doing the same thing this Christmas. So excited to get started and see what we find out🙋🏽👍🏽
@@mspotato3756 The paper trail only goes so far, but the DNA test on Ancestry tells you the common ancestors of your matches and so many other things. It's awesome! I found 2 half-uncles nobody knew existed.
My mother and I bought the Ancestry DNA test. It verified what we had been told all of our lives... we are direct descendants of Edward Plantagenet King Edward IV and Queen Elizabeth I. Amazing family tree!
Well as far as I'm concerned they were instrumental in making me who I am. They were brash, courageous, fierce, intelligent, loyal, and most of all everything they did was for family and for country. I am the descendant of Saxon kings, Tudor queens, Catholic saints who died for their beliefs, protestant preachers who baptized David Crockett, American heroes who fought to protect the lives of their family, French pioneers, Viking raiders, and Irish rebels. There is nothing you could say that would ever make me ashamed of where and who I came from.
@H.E no it's because history is written by the winners, and losers like yourself whine like children. My ancestor wrote history, redrew maps of the world, explored the unknown, and yes fought the battles that needed fighting. Elizabeth kept the shores of England free from the tyranny of the Spanish Inquisition, Edward united the country and gave his life as the last warrior king of England. Lord Thomas Howard gave his life for the Catholic faith rather than submit to what he considered a false faith, his father gave the colleges of England the greatest gift of art, and philosophy. His grandfather created the gift of iambic pentameter and modern prose before Shakespeare was a glint in his father's eye. My family gave the world art, science, faith, loyalty, and freedom. Apparently the only thing yours gave you was the gift of pissing and whining about how the winners ..well won.
Follow the children when having trouble finding your direct lines. But, as a whole, your ancestors were affected by their family and neighbors. It's always good to get to know the children/siblings of your direct ancestors. No one lives in a bubble. You can also look at deeds. Often, they sold property to children and/or siblings.
Loved that story. After wrecking my brain over some DNA results, and trying to break my wall through not one, but three adoptions, I have all but given up. Have recently asked for some help - but stories like these at least help me feel, like there is hope for answers.
I know how you feel. Trying to find answers concerning my birth father, and it's not easy. Sometimes you feel like your just going around in circles. I hope you find all you are looking for. I've been able to contact his sister, she was very kind and gave me some information that is leading me closer to finding my birth father. One day we will have our answers because I feel love will lead the way.
More people take the test every week. It was a huge gift item for Christmas 2018. I took the test 6 years ago from AncestryDNA no one I knew, a couple of 3rd and lots of 4th cousins. Now there are several second cousins, many 3rd and thousands of 4th cousins and new features added. One called ThruLines is linking a few unknowns and revealing the lineage of how we are connected. Relatives on page one in 2013 are now on page 22. My mothers death was the end result from a disease (mom didn't die of it, she was Terry Siboed) 3 years ago. Yesterday, someone called to let me know a former coworker had died. As the conversation went on they asked me to explain the disease my mom had and I said well scientists say only in the Pacific Islands does it appear to be possibly hereditary, elsewhere it is thought to be expose to some environmental toxin. I later took a nap and woke up and cried out oh mom what rotten luck. They had updated the ethnicity results with the latest information since they millions more database samples and notified me I had 1% Philippine, my mom would be 2-3% Philippine as I had my dad tested and know it is not coming from him and appears only in older relatives from one of my moms family line and quite possibly from that 2-3% Philippine (Pacific Isles) my mom inherited that god awful disease.
So I wonder how he explained taking in this servant's child? Was he just seen as being a compassionate, benevolent neighbor? I'm sure some people had their suspicions.
Yes, it is too bad that the series isn’t playing in the US, if that’s the case! Very nice little video! Thank you very much to both ladies and to all that helped bring this to RU-vid for all of us to see! Love genealogy stuff! 😀👏👌
Would love to get this kind of help. While my grandmother (born in Dublin in 1896) did have a birth certificate, have come to suspect the names of parents given on it were false.
I was bored at looking at my own family tree so what I did was look for some records on Mary Ann Troop and unfortunately she died at the age of 36 without getting married or having more children. 😭
This is not true .....I'm a direct troop descendant she was my 3xgreat grandmother .....she went on to have 2 more illegitimate sons George and fred ...fathers unknown and not listed on birth certificates.....then she becomes housekeeper at riverhead farm in redbourne on the 1891 census with a tweak of her name to Marian troop and marries the farmer Robert cavill....then dies in 1896 Still a slightly sad tale ....and I've no way of finding out who fathered George my great grandfather
Ancestry emailed me and told me that my DNA went back to the battle of Hastings. I would love to find out more about this . Maybe my family is related to William the Conquerer!
@@sasset-uk1987 If you total up how many people you have as grand parents and go back and back the further you go you have more family than there are people on earth. Other people crop up on other's trees and we end up all related to each other. Geneology is amazing.
@@sasset-uk1987 mine too! I am related to him in three different ways. Through his daughter,Marjorie, through his Brother Edward high King of Ireland, Isabella Ross, (Ross cousins, Stewart cousins) and through a common marriage. My Johnston line married into the Barclays. Then Margret Bruce married into the Barclays.
I was disappointed in my Ancestry.com results. We were 100% caucasian & apparently predictable & not risk takers. I guess loyalty was the best outcome. We do know that my aunts twin was stolen at birth, so we've been hoping to get a genetic match to prove it. My grandfather was in Italy fighting in the war when my granny had my aunt & uncle. My granny named him Melvin. She said he was healthy & then gone. They cremated him w/out her consent & she never saw his body. She spoke about him til she was 86 yrs old.
Looking at the illegitimate daughter as an older child with her father and step-mother is quite surprising. A 'reputable' family would often have nothing to do with the child and the woman would be held to blame, and if no family of her own (who also might refuse to take her in - poverty or 'shame') maybe ending in the Poorhouse. The taint of illegitimacy would affect marriage prospects etc so however Caroline came to be living with her father it is no wonder the mother's name was never mentioned. Wilkie Collins wrote a novel about two adult sisters whose parents died on their way back home and apparently the parents had just got married. The sisters were born illegitimate and the girls lost their fortunes as a result. Different times
Some thing, some one, some place... it will haunt us til forever. Whether we were given the REAL "honest" truth when we asked the questions. This ''truth" often is only exposed after the missing links themselves have died, and they have no siblings or offspring, and the recanted memories have conveniently faded. The truth in this case is that Dead Men can still tell no tales.
Very Sad. W have a similar situation in my family. My father never got to know his mother as my grandfather secretly married the maid and produced my father, whom she was forced to give up to his parents, he was sent to the Army and drove for Black Jack Pershing, she disappeared. So sad
I had something different from that happen in my family. My great-great grandmother died soon after giving birth to my great grandfather's younger brother in March 1893. Which means my great grandfather lost his mother just 4 days before his second birthday. My great-great grandmother died on March 30, 1893 and my great grandfather was born April 3, 1891 so he didn't get a lot of time to get to know his mother either. This man was my paternal grandfather's father. My paternal grandfather was the youngest child of 8 children to his mother and father so his parents were well into their 40s when my paternal grandfather was born in 1938. His father was 47 years old at the time of my paternal grandfather's birth. So my paternal grandfather had 7 older siblings and today he's the last surviving child still living today since his last surviving sibling his sister died in 2016 at the age of 86 years old. My paternal grandfather himself will be 81 years old on June 9th of this year of 2019 and he is still together with my grandmother whose also still living at almost 81 years old herself in a marriage that has now lasted 61 years of marriage today which will be 62 years of marriage on November 30, 2019 since my grandparents were married on November 30, 1957. Then two years after their wedding they had just given birth to their second child on November 19, 1959 and that child was their only born son who actually is my father.
So folks I'm researching my family tree and it turns out I'm descended from Mary ann troop ...she's my 3xgreat grandmother....my surname is troop and the reason fir this is in 1883 and 84 she went onto have 2 more illegitimate sons that kept the troop surname George and fred ....they were baptised in 1885 with father unknown on birth certificate....George is my great grandfather.... In the 1891 census with a name tweak she appears as marian troop house keeper at riverhead farm in redbourne she then marries Robert cavill and dies in 1896 aged 35 .... I've traced her mother caroline and father john back to the village of North clifton (notts).....it all gets a bit hazy after that as there are so many troops in north clifton, it should have been called troops Town 🙄
Interesting, but without dna it isn't necessarily proof the adopter was the papa. (Though likely.) Maybe the man's father was the lover, or the man's mother meant to take her in but died early. After a divorce, my aunt's baby was adopted by a neighboring family just because they grew fond of her. Everyone agreed to keep her real family a secret thinking it was easier for the child.
I'm still trying to solve my grandmother's father's family. I have matches to the Kindle line, I just need her father's name to go from there to connect to the Kindles. My grandmother took on the name of her stepfather so it makes it more complicated. And I need her mother, Dovie's mother's name that I can't find anywhere and her father's full name because it's just his initial H.
Wish I had someone who could help us! Sort of a similar situation. My father was born out of wedlock and never knew who his dad was. All his birth certificate says is that the dad was a painter and 40 years old. Grandma refused to give the name. I’m not too good at this stuff and don’t have much time to spend on it. I think I’m getting closer but not really sure. Would love to figure out who we really are!
Thanks very much for getting in touch, Rita. We understand that the search for biological family members can be tricky, especially if you don't have a lot of information to begin with. We actually have some really great tips and research strategies right here on RU-vid, that we hope can help you a little. We'll link a fantastic video from genealogist, Crista Cowan, who offers some tips and tricks when searching for biological family. We hope this can be of some assistance to you, and we wish you all the best in your search moving forward! Link: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wwLty5r3GPE.html
@@AncestryUS thanks! That’s basically all I’m trying to figure out on ancestry. I’m not really into going way back. Only looking for who my paternal grandfather was. And I I say was because he would have been born between 1894 and 1896. Thanks again
Robert may have done it again after his wife died. In 1911 he is living with his elderly father and a 48yr old single housekeeper and her 6yr old daughter??? 🤔
Housekeeper was a term often used by census return to mean live in lover. An officially sanctioned method of maintaining the illusion of good Christian values in society.
tweetie pie I don’t know about officially sanctioned? You told the census taker your version of the relationships in the household, they wrote it down. A bit like passing off an illegitimate grandchild as as your own. The neighbours and the Vicar knew what was going on though.
@@nicoladavies3391 officially sanctioned as in it was both advised to be described so and written so by the officially appointed census taker. My grandmother spoke of many such visits in londons east end that were ' officially sanctioned' in such a way.
Did they prove this, through DNA? I am trying to find the Mother and Father of my son's great grandmother's parents. She was give up to a family at age 9 years old, but no one is the family that raised her knows the name of her parents.
I’d like to know too! The poor girl may have been left with a broken heart 😞 perhaps her and Robert were in love and wanted to get married but Robert’s family didn’t allow it because she was lower class.. so he went on to marry another girl who they approved of, took the child and Mary was left with nothing :/
I have 1 descendant with the name of Mary B. And descendant that had children with the man of the house where she worked. Omg this sounds like my family that she is talking about omg and the baby was turned over and raised by the family.
I wish someone would do this for my mums side of the family who is adopted. She refuses to look for her biological family, which means I will never know :(
@Ellie If you choose to submit a DNA test with one of the large international companies: your DNA profile is held on their computer files. If you select "Open": that means anyone in the world that you (and your mother) are related to can contact you. Initially people sometimes find only distant blood relatives when they first receive their DNA results. As years go by, and more people submit tests, there can be a family breakthrough. You can find an Aunt, Uncle, first or second cousin, niece or nephew etc. And through those relatives, you can sometimes unravel the story of your mother's parents and their families. Sometimes the extended family know about an adoption, and may have some records and photos. Sometimes they know zero ! Everybody in these forums always recommends to go into a genealogy search with a completely open mind. My mother is also adopted. Her DNA test in 2021 only provided quite distant biological relatives.
How would I get a copy of my late paternal grandpa‘s birth certificate or death certificate? Nobody knows the name of his parents and i can’t find any records online that list them, and NJ’s Vital Statistics seems to require the name of his parents to get the forms 😡
In those days, in England, fathers had all the rights over their children. Mary didn't "have to" relinquish her daughter; most likely the child was taken away from her by the father and his family. If a woman was in an abusive relationship and wanted a divorce, it took an act of Parliament to get it, and a poor girl would have had no chance of that. If that same abused wife left her husband, she also left her children. Off the top of my head, I can't remember when a law was passed to change that, and I'm not sure that my hunch on how things went is entirely correct, but there's a good chance that the mother still had no rights at the time this occurred.
What does it mean to be apart of Orange descendants? This is something that is coded to my family tree. Also what is the ID number with the names on family trees?
How do I get a kit and how much does it cost because all I see is a 15day free trial before getting charged I would like to find out more about my ansesters but can't afford the monthly fee I make less than the federil poverty level of the us. So where do I start when I can't afford a monthly fee
Ancestry has millions of historical birth, marriage, and death records available online. If the record is not online, most countries and/or states have a vital records office that you can contact to request a copy.
1. She did not know her grandmother's last name until they looked for any Caroline born in that year and narrowed the mother down to the maid named Troop. So finding the birth certificate was a difficult puzzle. 2. Records are usually sealed for a period of time, for example U.S. census are sealed for 75 years.
I'm a Wallace.yes.from Braveheart Wallace..I can trace my ancestry back to Braveheart.But there it becomes a mystery..Did Braveheart actually have a daughter..That is the mystery..
Judy Malone that her grandmother is the product of her great-grandfather sleeping with the servant girl next door turned into mistress. Sounds like it’s from an episode of Jerry Springer.
it's disgusting that the servant had to give up her child to a man who treated his own wife and her with absolutely no integrity.. the idea that she would have had a better life just because the dirt bag had money is absurd... again another story regarding the commodification of women...
Indeed they are going this route. Recently here in Toronto, Canada they solved a Cold Case of a child murder that occurred in the mid-1980's (1984). I remenber the murder well because I was the same age of the victim and it was the biggest news here for a year. I thought this case would never ger solved and I could never forget the name and pix of the little girl. I had a good long cry when I saw the news that day.
I wish someone would do my family tree!I can't afford to!But there are a few oral history stories that I would like to know the truth on!And I can't serm to go too far back up the tree!Can somebody help mr please?
What an absolutely bizarre reaction from both women to this pretty awful information... laughing? Jesus, I mean I guess it's their kind of cultural experience, but it seems genuinely tragic, not funny.
TRAGIC? Howso? The child was raised in a privileged household, with the father taking responsibility for her. The child's mother might have kept her until she was an older child, and might have been happy to relinquish her to her father for more opportunities in life. TRAGEDY would have been a childbed death, or starvation, or horrific abuse. Births like this happened all the time, continue to happen, and must be dealt with in some way to best benefit the child. This seems an ideal outcome.
Absolutely,@@valross4886. I didn't comment on the circumstances, I was talking about the reaction. I wonder if they'd had time to process what it actually meant when they heard it, instead it did seem like they wanted to make light of the 'great fun with the servant next door'. Again, perhaps it's a cultural difference, but I found their reaction (not the actual circumstances) rather shocking.
I think that their reaction is ok as the event took place long ago, but to think the poor servant girl had to give up her daughter is tragic. The daughter was obviously better off, but we don't know how the stepmother treated her, nor, I suppose will we ever. Of course, there are lots of questions about the servant girl - was she able to keep her job, was she monetarily compensated, did she go on to have a legitimate family?
@@MetaView7 Exactly. The European one. The one where your culture learns their languages, emigrates to their countries, plays their sports, uses their inventions, we can go on and on!
@@CrociatoAzzurro >>Exactly. The European one. The one where your culture learns their languages, emigrates to their countries, plays their sports, uses their inventions, we can go on and on! I am so glad you made this post. A lot of Europeans escape their feudal ancestry countries and emigrated to America. Many people, inlcuding your family, must learn a new language and adapt to a new culture. Inventions? Your middle name is Don Quixote.
There are many good things that can come from seeking to know your ancestry. As for the Bible, I don't know what verse to which you refer. It's probably saying don't "worship" your ancestors, or something like that.
@@susanclark1152 indeed, the bible goes to great lengths to link JC to king David, through both Joseph (even though he ain't dad) and Mary (even tho this heritage isnt matrilineal in Jew custom).
@@susanclark1152 indeed, the bible goes to great lengths to link JC to king David, through both Joseph (even though he ain't dad) and Mary (even tho this heritage isnt matrilineal in Jew custom).
