In today's true crime documentary, we're covering 5 cases solved in the most UNEXPECTED ways you've EVER heard... Watch Episode 1: • Cases Solved In The Mo...
Patricia Wiltshire has even written a book! It's called 'Traces: The memoir of a forensic scientist and criminal investigator'. It's really good. A little bit serious, but has many crimes solved by identifying pollen and stuff
fair, but it's weird to use it for kids who are at the time only considered missing. that being said I use past tense all the time on accident bc it's the tense I write fiction in
Yes it concerns me as well when things like use of past tense which anyone may do innocently are highlighted. However, I'm usually comforted after hearing the whole story and realise that it wasnt the entirety of the prosecution's case, there're usually other factors that led to the police looking in the persons direction in the first place and when they decide to lay a charge.
Imagine, not remembering killing someone, then willingly going to the cops because you’re scared, to get relief from authority figures, and thinking that it’s all in your head….for all of that, just to be arrested and charged soon after. Jesus, if the killer really had no idea if he had done it or not, and went as far as to seek out the authorities, that’s got to be one of the most traumatic, and tragic experiences I have ever heard of.
The first one really bothers me. The guy had 11"inappropriate relationships with girls 11-17". Yet he was not put in jail? Why wait until he murders someone to put him in jail? The girls life could have been spared if the legal system had done its job.
Agreed, but if I remember correctly he was either in the process of being charged, there wasn't enough evidence to charge, or he kept moving to avoid charges. Still defo should've been put in the kiddie diddler torture chamber
I watched there documentary the other day from what I remember, they said he was moving round a lot so checks were not done as “easier” after this case in the uk it’s been made easier and checks are a must just like it should of been back then
Okay I'm literally only 4 minutes in but how many times I've heard this case and NEVER heard anything about this forensic botanist before? That is incredible. Think I might have found a new and additional career aspiration!
@@emarskineel Even just what they described in this video was super boring lol. “This propogule grew at this angle because it had a dead child dragged over it 13.5 days ago. Book him.”
@@MrEvanNoyes I find it pretty cool. I love horticulture and botany. I had never heard of a forensic botanist either but it makes me want to look into it more. I don't find it dull at all. It's exciting to me that knowledge of plants can help solve a murder case
The first time I heard of plant material or plant dna being used to convict someone was back in the 90s when forensic files first started airing. It was a guy named Mark Bogan, and he was convicted because plant material he had in his truck came from the dump site.
Forensic Botanist, God I love these special people among us that take a love for Science and devote it to catching the worst among us, while still getting to explore their passion. I also love how the forensic sciences have grown to encompass once unconsidered or unexplored fields. Edit; Oh yeah, hey EWU Crew, how yall doin? Another great collection of interesting cases. Cheers ✌️😉🍻
That second case is WILD. If the contact case were open and her contacts were still in her eyes, she could’ve been killed just before she was going to take them out and head to bed. The fact he could face any prison time over that and the lack of evidence leaves me completely baffled.
Yeah, same. Whats even stopping her putting them back in after he leaves also?(not that its an unusual or farfetched notion that she could have just not bothered taking them out this time)That is the weakest evidence I've ever heard.
@@cheepymcpeepy If someone was about to take their contacts out and got attacked in the middle of doing so, it’d still be open. Who’s to say she never closed it when she put her contacts on? That is the weakest “evidence” I’ve ever seen.
I'm confused. He said she was getting ready for bed when he left. The contact case was open. Her contacts were still in. Ok? So, she was getting ready for bed when she was ambushed and hadn't gotten around to taken them out yet. I mean, that is the dumbest "proof" of guilt I have ever heard. I can't believe they arrested him, the prosecutor actually agreed to charge him, he didn't have an attorney smart enough to point that out, and he was dumb enough to accept any kind of deal. WTF. I'm shook. How? How is that evidence?
I think it meant he was still in the house when that happened. If her contacts were in, that means she didn't finish getting ready for bed and her husband would still been home at the time of the murder.
It's the dumbest most grasping at straws thing I have ever heard. When im getting ready for my bed I leave my glasses on until the very last moment because I can't see anything without them. Not even enough to get into bed
It's so refreshing to see you start a completely new channel for such short videos and having a different channel for interrogation breakdown. Thanks a lot for this. ❤️
Yeah, so, I'm not sure about the contact lense case. I sleep in my contacts often, and how would her family know she "faithfully" took hers out? They don't live with her. I don't have a good feeling about that "evidence"
That story stunk to high heaven. Regardless of if he did it or not, that "evidence" was a JOKE at best. "Hey wait a minute, he said she was getting ready for bed, but I think her contacts are still in her eyes." GUILTY! Remarkable. So she's getting ready for bed. People do all sorts of things in the process of getting ready for bed. Did he say specifically that he saw her taking off her contacts and hop into bed, cover up and turn off the lights? If not, "getting ready for bed" could have simply meant she was in the process. You know, cleaning up a bit, putting the last dishes away, changing into her sleeping attire, taking off makeup? hell I don't know. You get the point.
I think it works, I mean her family said she never forgot to take them out plus combine that with all the other evidence against him. ( The arguments, the cheating, the knife collection.) I think it could quite help the case.
I remember the Soham murder case, it's actually probably one of my earliest memories . I was the same age as Holly and Jessica when they were murdered. I'm from Liverpool and remember at the time it was the first time my school had ever had an assembly on stranger danger and we were sent home with letters to our parents highlighting the importance of it and not trusting anyone we didn't know. Childrens parents at my school were changing their work schedules to ensure they could pick their kids up at the end of the day. It's even more disturbing that he was a school employee and it shocked the whole of the UK to find out that he was. Even now nearly 20 years later he's still in the news. He's a remorseless evil monster who hopefully will die a slow pain filled death
I'd agree with you here on everything except for the fact that the victims knew him and Carr and it wasn't on a school day. It's so sad that it took this case for your school to finally have a "stranger danger" assembly. Cases like this aren't rare and happen worldwide on a daily basis and I feel like that should have been part of your schools curriculum and absolutely mandatory for all to attend maybe once or twice a year starting in preschool/kindergarten.
the victims knew Huntley and Carr. The lecture should not just be about stranger danger, but about only trusting adults that your parents know and trust, and keep everyone else at arms length.
I think most child molesters are people the child knows. Parents should tell their kids to always let them know if anyone has touched their genitals or done anything “weird.”
Back when I used to wear contact lenses, I would go days without taking them out. If I were accused of murder because my wife slept with her contacts, and those who didn't sleep with us had convinced the cops and 11 out of 12 jurors i that it was enough to convict me, I would enter an alford plea as well. I'm not saying the guy is innocent, just that if that is the only evidence they have for convicting him of murder, it's pretty flimsy.
I agree that that wouldn’t be enough, but her family said that she never forgot to take them out. Plus with all the other sketchy stuff about the guy, it makes sense that it would be him.
I just wrote something similar! Then I scrolled down to see if anyone mentioned it. I mean when he was leaving she was getting ready for bed. She could of been brushing her or teeth? Then went to take out her lenses when the baby started to cry. So she goes to see what’s wrong & on her way back into her room. The killer (her husband) gets her. Maybe they just left out to much for us on RU-vid on this particular case?
I think his girlfriend bears a lot of responsibility for this crime. I don't care if she says she was "forced and scared," she let those girls down. She is a monster as well, and I'm sick of hearing women blame domestic violence for why they help their partners MURDER an innocent child. I am a survivor of domestic violence and there is NOTHING he could have done that would make me help him kill a child. I would rather die than become the very monster I hate.
that’s the flaw in your story deez nuts, you’re thinking all the other abused woman have same rational thinking like you. it’s good you think you’ll never lie for a killer’s alibi, but it’s childish to think all people have the same mindset as you. not all people endures pain like you deez nuts
It's called "Learned Helplessness". Basically, they're so afraid of their abuser that they'll do anything s/he says just to avoid incurring their wrath. (Not saying that all survivors of domestic violence would do that, but it's a common trend.)
When Holly and Jessica went missing, I was about their age. I constantly complained to my parents that they were being too overprotective not letting me go out and see my friends, or not letting me do what my friends did. I remember vividly being sat down by my dad in front of the TV watching this on the news, him telling me how easy it was for children to go missing. I never complained again
I am so sick of the guilty getting new identities to protect them. They don't deserve the protection and people dealing with them deserve to know what they did and what they are capable of doing.
Excellent work team! You guys bring attention to these crimes. More importantly, you remind us of the victims. You tell us of how they lived, not just how life was robbed from them. Thank you. Keep it up
This is the first time that i heard of a Forensic Botanist. I applaud them for going to a profession that's so rare. I'm amazed by that forensic botanist, and i know she won't see this but i thank her for doing an amazing job uncovering clues. Also, i'm glad to have found a new thing to look into. Forensic botanist seems interesting.
I'm a huge true crime fan (I rarely come across cases I haven't at least heard of it if not read/watched something about), but I'd never heard of a 'forensic botanist' either! I knew one could use _insect_ life cycles to help 'read' a scene, but I'm amazed how much info plants can provide when examined by such a trained eye. Really amazing.
The contact lens thing is suuuuper shaky. What if she just hadn’t taken them out yet? What if she was keeping them in to read for a while before bed? Just a very stupid piece of evidence in my opinion. Like saying “she hadn’t brushed her teeth yet, so you’re a murderer”
My significant other doesn't bother to take out his contact lenses until he's literally in bed, it's the last thing he does other than turning off his lamp. I find it remarkable that somehow the THEORY that her lenses should have been out was enough to spell doom for her husband with his rock solid alibi. Absolutely baffling that his lawyers simply could not defend him against the Contact Lens Assertion. Crazy.
If I had a wife I would not cheat. The milk at home is free, when all the other store milk is stale, bitter, and unhealthy. The grass will never be greener when you poke your head over another man's fence. Desire to keeping your grass green, healthy and happier? You need to coltivate, water and reseed the Grass. What? In other words create date nights through your courtship and marriage. Before my parents passing? They where married 50 Year's.because they cared to date each other during their marriage. Talk around the table. Don't buy one to only just fill an empty space.
I hate how criminals get a new identity after getting out of prison over there. I feel like you should live with that name and the shame that comes with it!
Because it would help the society oh so much to have these people driven from anywhere, not being able to get a job and basically forced deeper into antisocial lifestyles?
@@AntediluvianRomance it would help society to know who these monsters are so they can avoid them. So yes it would help society. The only ones it wouldn't help are the murderers and r@pists that don't deserve anything more than pine box as far as I'm concerned. Sorry I'm not a criminal sympathizer. I had a cousin murdered by her boyfriend while he was high on drugs who then plead temporary insanity and got 16 years in prison. He should have got the electric chair. Atleast he won't get a new identity and people will know who he is when he gets out soon
@@KyleCotton1 Yup, the society will have someone to abuse while active criminals, yet unknown, go unnoticed as always. The society will get more people guaranteed to participate in robbery, prostitution, drug dealing etc. It will get even less people talking to police because they would try to avoid the stigma of associating with a proven criminal. The woman did not participate in the murder itself. Had your cousin's boyfriend killed someone else and threatened your cousin to help him get rid of the evidence, would you want her to be shamed for the rest of her life too? I bet someone blamed her even as a victim for having stayed with a violent drug addict, but I'm sure you understand that life is not that simple, don't you?
@@AntediluvianRomance I’m on both sides, I think nonviolent criminals (like non violent drug offenses and such) should absolutely have the right to change their name and identity to help them reintegrate into society, but violent criminals like muderers and child predators absolutely shouldn’t be allowed to do that.
“Analysis qualifications, Masters in criminal psychology” I find that extremely interesting for a crime channel, I was doing a bachelors for Social Sciences (psychology, sociology, criminology) but my health became too much of a burden for me to finish my studies, I’m mostly bedridden with permanent nerve damage and PTSD. I have a HND (equivalent to 2nd year of a degree) in social sciences so obv I don’t have a degree or a Masters, but I still massively enjoy these subjects, your analysis, and exploring the thought processes of criminals involved. Keep up the fantastic work, very much enjoy the analysis whilst storytelling!
For the second story, I'm just saying that just because her contract lenses were still in, doesn't mean that she wasn't getting ready for bed. Usually, everyone has a certain way to get ready for bed. It is still possible that she was doing other things before she took her contact lenses out. Maybe she wasn't able to take them out before the attack happened.
We also convict people of crimes off circumstantial evidence way too much! Jurors, for some reason, always forget that it has to be beyond a reasonable doubt , I think there should have to be actual, provable evidence!
@@amber_Forever16 No kidding. The thought of being judged by a "jury of your peers" is one of the most unsettling things I can think of. I mean really ponder on it. The average person isn't real bright (being real nice here) and they're naïve at best and gullible as hell at worst. When it comes to getting convictions without smoking gun evidence, it's really just a matter of which lawyer can get the jury to like them and their story the best. A popularity contest of sorts. Nothing more. As easily as people are swayed into believing things, not to mention how the average person goes into trials with preconceived notions and pre-determined beliefs resulting from their upbringing and social circles, it scares the hell out of me to think of my fate being in the hands of such people.
Forensic botanists are absolute chads that take what hunters do to new heights. Imagine loving plants and using that to bring justice, the ultimate plant daddy.
At 7.33 it is important to know Carr was not at home when Huntley allegedly told the girls she was in the house as a ploy to entice them into his control. Carr was out of the area visiting relatives. Her sentence was based on her behaviour in the days after she arrived home. However, the British public had no sympathy for her, likening her to Myra Hindley.
@@cheepymcpeepy she was involved in some capacity and we will never know the full extent but we do know for sure that she helped him cover up their murders and lied to give him an alibi.
She should burn for not reporting it! Idc how sacred you are it’s your responsibility as a freaking adult and now she gets to live with new identity instead of shame disgrace judges who are molesters themselves
Speaking of Portsmouth, could you please do the murder case of Keith Bevis? He was killed in May 2013 by a guy who was jealous over Keith's relationship with his gf, he wanted her for himself. Keith was a great guy and didnt deserve what happened to him. He was stabbed 19 times and it was the last one that killed him. I miss you man, still think of you from time to time ❤
That contact lens theory was the weakest evidence I’ve ever heard. I sometimes fall with mine on if I’m watching TV because I’m near sighted. Any decent DA would not take that BS to trial.
I still don’t understand how the contact case being out meant he was guilty. To me the contact case being out and OPEN meant she was getting ready for bed and was killed before she had a chance to take them out. He did say she was getting ready for bed when he left. None of that means he killed her. He didn’t say she was in bed already.
I don't buy it. I was bullied in school and have never (physically) harmed anyone. I'll admit to being verbally, mentally and psychologically abusive to my ex husband and have made ammends for it but I've never just blatantly harmed anyone.
I like these type of videos! Your voice is lovely to listen to, especially when I'm doing some art, or any other type of work. Awesome work as usual ! Take care man :)
The second case doesn’t sit right with me. My ex wears contacts and when he got ready for bed he didn’t ALWAYS take them out immediately because he’d lay in bed and watch tv or something on his phone. Maybe 1-2 hours later he’s take them out. So that isn’t enough evidence in my opinion.
So weird to see the Soham Murders on your channel as I live in Cambridgeshire. This case was and still is truly shocking. Huntley is pure evil and I will always be convinced Maxine Carr had a bigger part to play. RIP Holly and Jessica 💔
Thank you fir covering the one case I suggested…Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman. I watched this case from the moment it was made public until the end. Maxine Carr actually moved to Yorkshire after she was released. She changed her name but she couldn’t hide her physical identity and I was sickened when I saw her in a little town outside of Bridlington.
Thankgod I hate peoole in power so corrupt. I don’t care how scared you are it’s your responsibility to protect little girls or atleast report it!! Now instead of living in shame you have new identity freaking pathetic. Most higher ups are molesters too that’s why I’m sick of this shit
Always takes me back when you cover cases so close to home. Huntley was from my home town. Between this and the Mccann disappearance I remember my Mum pretty much refusing to let me out of her sights when I was young
These were key cases I remember this. We were absolutely shocked. It massively changed as to how we kids were allowed to play out. I lived near North Sea Camp. Open prison. There would be like a siren if there was an escape. The prisoners used to bike past my house to work. They always said hello. I never felt anything like the danger of when Huntley, McCann, Sarah Payne. It just changed everything.
😱 sadly I remember the first case very well, being from the UK, it's a shame there's no death penalty here, I do know the Ian got his come upance in jail. May all the victims rest in peace, 🙏 another great video thanks raven 🖤
When I listen to UK based true crime, it does shock me that the Courts seem to bend over backwards to give every single monster a chance at Parole, no matter what they have done. And the Courts make a big deal over giving some monster a whole life order, and are so unwilling to do so unless there is sufficient public outrage. Our Courts in the USA seem tougher to the rest of the world, but that is down to sentencing inconsistencies. Our Courts throw away the key sometimes for some people, but they mostly sneak the worst of the worst monsters back into society while letting the public believe they are either in for life or serving a long sentence.
Death penalty is never a good idea. Anyway, he lives in hell now the amount of times I've seen articles about him being beaten and stabbed he's living a fate worse than death
@@meganlangreck2488 Federal courts Life is natural death, and most state courts have Life defined as anywhere from 16-25 years, Federal court doesnt even have Parole of any kind at all.
I am from the UK Ian Huntley did work at the school he was the Janitor/caretaker him and his girlfriend Maxine Carr lived in the caretakers house on the school grounds. They actually found evidence in a school outbuilding. It was a bucket with the burnt remains (soccer/football tops) inside that the girls were wearing in the photo. That photo was taken the same day the girls went missing .He knew the 2 girls from working at the school, that is how he lured the girls into his house.his girlfriend Maxine was a teaching assistant at the same school and taught the girls. There has been an attempt on Huntleys life in prison.
Good video guys. Was wondering if you'd ever mention the Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman case. My mum actually did psychiatric nursing agency work at the prison she was held in giving her medication. She's now out of jail with a brand new identity courtesy of the tax payer. Ian Huntley is now rotting in a cell playing his X-Box everyday as any prison they put him in, usually results with him having his head kicked in.
Regardimg the first story. Ian Huntley, he was my sisters (17 att) nieghbor when he lived in Grimsby (Veal Street). They were nieghbors for about two months. She said he was a basically a creep and tried chatting her up but she had an intimidating boyfriend at the time. After the murders, we were pestered by reporters for months.
In Australia if you have to work in or around children you have to have a working with children check which means the police to a background check in Australia and if you lived overseas they would also run a background in all the countries that you lived before coming to Australia ❤️😺 Melbourne Australia
12 years is too much for something the guy even tried to turn himself in for, while the teacher covering up the double child murder only gets 2? ...bullshit
The world is a fucky place. I was so torn on that guy... he had mental health issues, a learning disability, had overdosed, and expressed genuine emotion and concern about what he thought he may have done going to the length of turning himself in without any evidence. Can we even say he's a bad guy? Can we even say the sentence was justified? How could this guy be considered mentally competent to stand trial? that seems seriously wrong to me.
@@shitsquirrel9 I agree 100% It's like, why even bother turning yourself in then, there's really no difference. Trying to cover a crime up is basically a more viable option because the consequences are the same
Hello! I love your videos and I have a suggestion. I just wanted to say it may be a good idea to divide your videos into case chapters, so viewers can skip easily passed cases they already know of. Again, I love this channel, just wanted to put the idea out there, I mean no disrespect at all!
6 years for pleading guilty to manslaughter, he also went to extreme lengths to hide evidence. This wouldn’t be because she was a sex worker as we are all equal in the eyes of the law 😒
There is NO ONE that I would lie and provide an alibi for if I knew he had killed two little girls.... not my father, not any of my brothers, not my husband, not my grandson...NO ONE. Apart from wanting to do the right thing and bring closure to a grieving family, if my lies allowed the murderer to keep his freedom, I would be afraid that he might kill again, and that next murder would be partially my fault. Every time I hear a story like this where someone lies to protect a murderer, I have to wonder what sort of relationship you would have with that person in the future. I don't think I could look him in the eyes knowing he was a cold-blooded killer! This loser is a grown man, and it gives his self-esteem a boost because he was able to overpower and kill two little girls? That's setting the bar pretty low.
12:15 OBJECTION!!! The POLICE'S story doesn't add up, not in the slightest. He should've NEVER pled guilty to any charge involving her death. I PROMISE you the M.E. and police straight up lied about the contacts. Those type of body accessories wouldn't never made to the casket, much less grave.
I think w the contacts one, they just maybe assumed that, since one lid was open, she was taking them out at that very moment, when he also left for soccer. But since she was found in a kneeling position it’s odd. The knives were also conveniently stashed away, I’d be interested to see if you can find out which type of knife etc was used by the wound. But even if none of this was circumstantial evidences enough, why admit to any kind of plea if you’re truly innocent? If I were innocent and being “falsely” charged I’m fighting all I can, to not go to prison for the sake of it 🤷🏻♀️
With the explanation in the video The type of plea he took was one that he could maintain his innocence while saying the evidence might make his appear guilty And since the only evidence they were relying on was whether her contact lenses were still in before going to bed it was likely they were still going to pronounce him guilty It was his best option since they were so convinced the contact lenses didn't match up with his timeline Even though we don't know the woman's routine or whether or not she occasionally forgets to take them out It could be she was assaulted shortly after he left but it just seems like they pinned him for this crime with very minimal evidence Taking a plea doesn't automatically make you guilty but is sometimes the best course of action
I love your content so much, thank you for putting so much effort into your channels, I get excited every time I see a new video! You deserve a special tv show on Discovery ID channel! Oh and thank you for clarifying what happened to the cat ❤️🐈 I'm so glad he found new owners!
The first story about Huntley led to stricter, more in-depth checks on all people working/volunteering with children in the UK. This included any ancillary staff etc. The man was pure evil!
2. I feel like there is so much more to this story that no one knows. I don't think he's guilty, or at least I'm not convinced about it. 3. This is interesting. He got charged because of his cat, it is truly spectacular.
Poor Mr Hilder....drugged and then framed for murder by his cat....my dog assures me that this is truth....he also tells me that Tinker will kill again!
The forensic botanist is just mind blowing. As for all the information about the school care taker and his previous history with young girls is just horrible, and still got a job in a school. SMH!
Genuinely- EWU always remembering to inform us that the pets were safe afterwards, immensely important. It's somehow one thing to listen to the story of a human dying, and another to hear about a pet being hurt.
It’s terrifying how often we see the killers volunteer for searching for the victim. How awful would it be to see a man helpin u find ur little girl, so you thank him and then later learn the Man U shook hands with and genuinely appreciated his offer to help, was the very reason that everyone was out there lookin for her.... Monsters are among us always.
I’m supposed to be working but I’m also listening to this, and I get an email from a provider named “Rayven”. I’m like wait- what? Get out of my head!!!
I don't understand how the Hundley guy who had a history of violence and assault, goes on to kill two innocent children and then ends up with even a possibility of parole?!? Justice systems everywhere are so fucked up. There should never be a possibility of parole for people like that.
"Getting ready for bed" for me can mean it may be hours later before I actually get in bed to sleep. And often, when in bed I read or watch TV, so my glasses remain on. So, unless there was other evidence, I would have not found him guilty, either. Not just on the fact her contacts were in.👓
Great video, loving the analysis! One thing, when women are described as prostitutes, they are dehumanised. The term sex worker is much more appropriate
If you're a prostitute, you are a prostitute, sex worker, hooker, street Walker, it doesn't matter they all let you know what they are. They choose their profession. Potato. Patato. All the same.
Why is it that every term that's come up with to describe hookers ends up "dehumanizing". It's almost like the average person's disdain for the profession just gets transferred onto each new word. Mind you, I have no problem with whores, I just find your speech policing short-sighted and pseudo-empathetic.
Everyone in the UK was disgusted at the sentence Maxine Carr got for her role in the Soham murder's. She knew what Ian Huntley had done to Jessica & Holly, helped him clean the house, clean the bathroom where he'd murdered them then gave him an alibi. She's evil & to add insult was given to new identity after her release. We'll never forget Holly & Jessica, the image of these 2 beautiful girls in their Manchester United tops will be forever etched in the minds of all from the UK. Hope Huntley's rotting.
Having lived in Southsea for years in the past, it was really interesting to hear a case from there! Especially one involving cat DNA, lol. Good ole Tinker.
