Cast or Pass: Are The Dragon Communion Incantations Worth It in Elden Ring? 

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I always look at spells and weapons in the same light. "The scimitar is great, but it has lower stance damager and shorter reach" "The greatsword is great, but it's a tad slow and the dead frames can get you hit a lot since you're in melee range." "Dragon spells are great, but what they have in damage and range they lack in speed" Always fun to watch these magic runs knowing how much Tulok hates magic.

My favorite Dragon? Samwise Gamgee. Cuz he's draggin Frodo all around

I really hope he shows of my favorite dragon spell: Helphen's Steeple. I know it's not the most popular one, but it's ability to [HIT ENEMIES] & [DODGE ATTACKS] have really given it a special place in my heart

Ah, yes, the gaslighting run. Genius!

Once you work your way through every spell and incantation, I hope you do a final build with all the Casts called Master Caster Blaster, and see if you can win faster.

My favorite fictional dragon is probably Rayquaza. Saphira from Eragon is a close second.

So a legit piece of advice for dragonclaw, unless the enemy is locked down, it's usually a bad idea to go for the follow up. The second smack has a lot of extra endlag compared to the first since the first can chain into other spells. I saw several times during the gargoyle fight where you would have been fine if you used the first hit and rolled out rather than trying to use both Edit: same thing with draconic tree sentinel

One major error: dragonmaw should have been obtained. Enough damage and hyper armor that as long as you can take 1-2 hits you basically win, because nothing can interrupt you and with the right buffs the damage is just stupid. Probably my 3rd favorite spell in the game, as someone who actually likes spells. #1 is night comet for carrying my first playthrough, #2 is probably Ancient Dragon Lighting Strike, #4 I'd give to Comet Azur, and #5 to Ekzyke's Decay. Pest Threads and Lansaeax's Glaive, as "most OP for what it is" and "coolest looking" respectively.

imo spells are best used in tandem with melee, not as a replacement for it. Spellblade builds are my favorites to play because I can switch between melee and spells for different situations.

My favorite dragon is Bad Dragon

My favorite fictional dragon is Toothless from How to Train Your Dragon. That was my favorite movie as a little kid, and the recent memes of him dancing have been AWESOME.

My favorite dragon is Smaug from the animated Hobbit. That speech still gives me chills decades later.

Tulok never fails to fill me up with his massive elden ring content

Um actually, if you change your location to Antarctica and enter the fog gate at 3:43 PM on January 62nd, Malenia’s AI has a 0.03% chance to break until you hit her, and since night maidens mist doesn’t cause stance damage it’s a super easy win. Therefore, spells are clearly the best 🤓

Man, "imagine ... in Fort Haight" won't get better than this

It's so weird as I'm doing a similar run to this and the only boss that's been a struggle so far is Malenia, because she's Malenia. Most bosses were beat in one or two tries, with exception of Goldfrey, Sewer Mohg, and Commander Niall. All I do is go up to the boss, press "B" to dodge their attack, as I use an XBOX controller, then press the attack button. That's it. That's all I'm doing. I think the only exception was Fia's Champs, where I used two seals to chain cast Dragonclaw. Doing this meant they didn't even have a chance to move.

Big fan of that last dragon incantation! Seriously tho, just realize that sword exists last week and now I think it’s my new favorite. Gonna have to do a build around it

My favorite dragon is Tulok when he plays a dragon in Elden Ring. My second favorite dragon is Imagine Dragons in Fort Haight.

There may come a day when Phil does D’s quest to get a summon for the Gargoyles boss fight, but it is not this day!

You're so fucking real for the transmission joke

My favorite fictional dragon is Abyss the Kaiju King! Look him up on your work computer if you've never heard of him!

The 1 sentence reason I like spells is they give me space from the bosses, and i know they are faster and run right up inside you, but at least for me, the extra time they take to run up helps a ton, makes it easier to see what they are doing, but I guess that mainly heps due to my lack of experience or something. Favorite dragon would have to be Niv Mizzet from MTG

Haven't watched yet, but I'm going to guess that he'll love Maw. This man likes his big damage and poise, and that thing is a semi truck Edit: Well dang

If spells only need one sentence here you go, "I think spells are good because laser beams and throwing lightning is cool."

One of my favorite fictional dragons is Saphira from Eragon.

My favorite fictional dragon is probably Paarthurnax from Skyrim. His lines and his philosophy are still with me to this day, since I played the game as a kid.

Fav dragon is probably Fatalis from monster hunter, it's a classic looking dragon that hates life as a whole and is hypothetically immortal being able to regenerate from a single scale. Also anyone who wears armor made from it goes insane

It's so hard to pick a favorite dragon, but I gotta say Smaug is up there. Specifically Smaug from the Hobbit movies, as he's the best part of that trilogy and every spoken line he delivers gives me shivers

Sitting in C7 and gaming feels absolutely awesome! When it's time to unwind, lying back is so comfortable that you can easily catch a good nap.

My favorite type of dragons are the A Song of Ice and Fire ones mainly cause they're such a huge investment, like, even after you do your black blood magic ritual to get them, you need to literally let them thrive in Fire and Blood for them to grow any, and I just think that's cool (that and the idea that if I'm just an average person, I can keep a cat sized overall non-lethal dragon, and I like that :3 yay!)

I did a dragon communion build as my third because I wanted a build with high arcane, and in my opinion, it was the strongest build I've done. Each dragon spell gives you access to fire, frost, rot, magic, and poise damage. Being enhanced with the roar and canvas medallions. I paired the spells with Regolia of Elochaid which was a perfect wake up from Dragonclaw. The dragon communion scale pairs perfectly. I never had an issue with a boss because I always had a way around what makes them trouble because the dragon spells give so much versatility.

Greyoll's Roar and Rot Breath are great supplementary tools. Rot Breath's not fit for every fight, but Greyoll's Roar isn't any worse to find an opening for than a charged heavy. I would love to hear your opinion on the Black Flame Incantations, especially Black Flame Blade and Black Flame Ritual (which is the closest thing to a disengage-tool I've been able to find). Overall I've found the Black Flame Incantations to be pretty reasonable to weave in here and there.

Draco (Sean Connery in Dragonheart)

My favourite fictional dragon is the dragon from Panzer Dragoon Saga. I love the level-up mechanic where it changes shape, and then on top of that you can shift it between attacking, defensive, magic-using and speedy forms.

I was glad I got to catch a good chunk of this stream. Phil, Cory, keep up the amazing work we appreciate the hell outta you two.

My favorite dragon? Thordak, the Cinder King.

Not tryna be a spell apologist or anything, but the magma breath incantations come out a bit quicker than some of the other dragon incantations and have a lingering damage hitbox, and greyoll's roar does a pretty solid debuff to enemies as well as solid damage, maybe they coulda helped a smidge🫂

Makes me sad that you didn’t use the maw, it’s probably the best of the spells

Shame you didn't use Dragon Maw or Greyoll's Roar so you could actually trade hits

Imagine Dragons is in Fort Haight now, btw, or, at least, their music

Favorite dragon has got to be Themberchaud. I ran Out of the Abyss’s first act, the escape from their Drow pursuers, and the Rotund Reptile became something like a patron to the party of Underdark natives.

Black rose dragon is my beloved plushie !

Besides giving up half way through and not getting all the spells, why not combo the spells with the sword at the end? The dragon incants are utility after all so you start by blasting a status then follow up with sword.

Keep up the good work seeing you upload is the highlight of my day 👍

wait why is no one talking about him switching off the draGON communion spells and using the sword at the end

I actually caught this on the final stream, was super fun watching live. The Hoarah Loux fight was majestic to watch!

The real play would be to use two seals and chain cast the dragon slaps so you can play bongo drums. It's pretty strong too

ive been doing a dragon incantation run and just fire/magic breath whatever the enemy is weaker too its pretty good with 25 faith 40 arcane and the arcane hat for another 8 arcane physic for magic damage and unlimited mana for however many seconds. awesome to see someone off handing the staff for incantations the dragon incantations need all the cast speed they can get. but arcane also works for bleed so. godskin peeler bleed is pretty crazy. but idk if i could do the whole game with just dragon incantations either especially not without a summon for distractions

My guy I am a HUGE fan but I also use spells in most of my favorite builds. I’m smacking my head against a wall cause you’re using spells on their own with no weapon in the main hand and no summons and you’re like “SpElLs AlL sUcK jUsT uSe WeApOnS!” YOURE USING THEM IN THE MOST ASS WAY POSSIBLE OF COURSE YOURE NOT HAVING A GOOD TIME SKILL FUCKING ISSUE Uh… My favorite dragon is probably Rayquaza. Favorite childhood legendary

My favourite Dragon is Toothless! So cute!

My favorite Dragon is Gorebash from A Flight of Dragons.

Here is a tip for Dragon Claw. If you have a seal in your off-hand you can use that seal as a faster alternative for the second slam of Dragon Claw. It's pretty good in NG+

Thanks for your hard work as usual entertaining us 🥺❤️

my favorite part was when Tulok said "is dragoning time" and then he dragoned all over the place

Love that during the gargoyles fight half of his shown deaths were him continually casting and complaining getting hit during the second hit of dragonclaw which is completely optional and then complaining about deadframes, just saying, doing followups and then complaining that you get hit since you made that decision is crazy

I have made some great double seal/staff builds, but some ppl forget that even with these builds, you need to invest in a weapon that goes with your stats like one i enjoy on my int builds is death ritual spear and it really does change everything to just have one physical weapon you can switch to on a spell build Edit) also summons just use summons ppl unless you're doing a challenge run

Always love Tulok doing magic runs. Its fun looking at what meets the pass ans what doesn't. Would love to see him do a run with all the spells that have made a pass.

every times i think "hey do a magic caster" and i stop at the caracter creation

My favorite dragon has to be a Pokémon, but I can't decide between Flygon or Goodra.

im sorry bro but this is just skill issue. how are you struggling with fias champions with dragon communion? Greyolls Roar literally prevents them from doing anything. For some reason you also aren't using Dragonmaw...even it does almost twice the damage of Dragonclaw, way more stance damage, and has literal INFINITE HYPER ARMOR

Love the whole new edit with you overlaying the previous layers

Never had this much trouble with dragon incantations. I quit using them because they were too easy. I guess this is sort of a paragraph.

Amazing transition.

My favorite Dragon is Yevaud/Mr. Underhill from A Wizard of Earthsea/The Rule of Names. An old dragon that stole the treasure of the island nation of Pendor, hides for years on in a small backwater village under the same alias as Frodo Baggins, eats a pirate-wizard named Blackbeard, burns down the village he’d been living in for years for funsies, goes back to Pendor, evicts all the humans, raises a family of dumb little baby dragons, then is forced to watch them all dive face first into the ocean like idiots because a guy on a boat looked at them funny.

The first time I picked up a Dragon Communion spell I misread it as Dragon Communism and I was in. Dragon casting has some weaknesses for sure but it's worth it be part of the Church of Dragon Communism. Also I get that he's doing it for content but using a little narrow group of spells and then going "oh spells are bad" is so annoying lol. Like the entire point of spells is that you've got a ton of versatility; you've got catch flame when things get close, lightning bolts for quick midrange damage, dragon spells for big powerful casts that're hard to execute but can basically win fights for you when you do, etc. If you stick to one school or one little specialization it's always gonna feel bad (except for fire giant/monk maybe, which really does kinda have everything). Finally, rot breath is OP. They've nerfed it I think fairly heavily since release and it's still the single scariest button in the game.

Spells hit harder and from further away that greatswords and you can have spells of different damage and cast times to choose from without having to swap to a grace or leveling different weapons. Did I get the sentence rather than paragraph bit rigth ?

I already knew this after following you for some time but I have to say it. Phil, you're a goddamn treasure.

These spells need spirit ashes to pull aggro. Otherwise, you're never given a chance to use them more than once or twice at the start.

I felt my soul die when you started advocating for glass cannon builds. Excuse me while I have Vietnam flashbacks to hosts getting insta-gibbed by 414 damage.

I tuned out for five seconds and was so confused when he just completely swapped from dragon spells to ghostflame

thank you for your video 💯💯💯💯

I genuinely shouted out “YES” at the Fort height joke

My favorite dragon is all the dragonmaids: House, Kitchen, Parlor, Chamber, Nurse, & laundry.

So happy I got to be there for part of this run. Our father is simply the kind of elden ring content

A new Chair for chat to fixate on, I like it.

This is the Mulholland Drive of Tulok & Mango vids. 😵‍💫 I love it. 😎

I'm confused. Why is the ruinous ghostflame blade being used at the end? Tulok got tired of the spells? Thats fair?

That was the peak that was the best Fort Height joke!

My favorite dragon is Angelus from Drakengard 1. A fairly standard yet still cool design that upgrades into some kind of death dragon if you go further into the later endings of the game, and one of the few dragon games I played growing up. Will always hold a special place in my heart.

Ayyyy there it is Edit: I've legit been waiting to see that Imagine Dragons joke for WEEKS

That, "Toasty!" got me right in the nostalgia.

I'm so glad to see a Vilheim run, I love Helphen's Steeple and the Onyx Blade

My favorite dragon is Figment the Dragon from Disney's EPCOT Center.

so spiked caestus at the start?.... Eh, double, does bleed, you wave your hands at people, close enough to claws

Great video as always, I can't say I am surprised though, Rot breath is here, and that is the one that shows up on previous builds. But yeah, I don't think there is a slower class of spells, and given spells speed issues have come up in previous builds it makes sense these would be at best as good as previous showings. I think my only sticking point is that I have had similar issues with slower heavier weapons when I have tried to use them on my own time. But I am pretty bad at the video games.

Honestly best ad for a chair I've ever seen. Hahaha

Haxourus, axe boi, the beloved dragon. also if you don’t enjoy the cast or pass series you don’t have to continue it, the casting society probably won’t reenact the night of black knives on you

Godfrey Icon would have been better than Blue Dancer imo. It increases charge attack damage which all of the Dragon spells benefit from. Dragonmaw also has pretty good hyper armor and good physical damage. Dragon spells might be slow, but if built around correctly they are very powerful.

these are actually my favorite spells to use, when i have the seal in my offhand, and a weapon in my main hand, so that i can use a weapon, and then cast the spells once or twice per fight, when i get an opening from the boss fighting my summon,

Y’know, every once in a while I’m genuinely curious what I’d see if I googled some of the things Phil tells me to google.

So GLAD HE's BACK IN MY RECOMMENDS EVEN THOUGH IM SUBBED

I tried dragon communion as my first and only playthrough and had the opposite problem as you. The early bosses were hard but the end bosses were pretty chill. It took me only five tries to kill Melania (but I had a summon, so that probably helped with my spellcasting)

So, Malenia's stance breaks are bugged. If she's using a move AT ALL that has hyper armor when it should break. It doesn't break, and just resets her stance pressure.... I found out all this during my Loki playthrough. (I got so pissed off at her, I threw a Mimic Tear at her for phase 2.... I got tired of dying to Ducky Dance, and Star Wars Episode 2....) Also, since everyone is mentioning their favorite dragons. Paarthurnax from Skyrim is one of my absolute favorites. ....Too bad Bethesda decided to make a quest where you kill him. And without mods, there's no other way to finish that quest. (Stupid Delphine.... If there was an option, I think literally everyone would kill her instead of Party Snacks.)

So like. The vids are funny and all but sorceries and incantations are the two best things in the game followed by arcane and dex. Dragon spells boil down to waiting for openings or casting on boss start. They aren't necessarily meant to be used alone but a pure incant build with rot breath or greyol roar is crazy. Also why would spells have good stance damage? The large majority fall into one of two categories, fast but lowish damage, and slow but high damage. They're either ranged or close range and the close range big hits tend to have high hyper armor. They don't need stance damage lmao. That'd shatter them in half. Coming from a mainly strength player, incant spellcaster has been the easiest run thus far. It boils down to press r1 a bunch and dodge sometimes. If you want a sentence: Lightning damage is broken and you can pivot to fire and holy when needed with dragon spells mixed in for different effects. (Incants) Carion slicer, comet azure, and access to multiple damage types (2 or 3 elements i think) let it deal massive damage from safe positions and pivot to exploit different resistances. (Sorceries) Sorcery is the single best set of abilities from beginning to end with the most broken move in the history of Elden Ring right there. Comet Azure has been nerfed multiple times and it still trivializes the entire game. Incants are the strongest options in ng+ and beyond with ancient lightning strike one to three shotting almost everything in the game.

The only way this makes sense is if you got bits of video mixed up. How does it to from using dragon incantations to a greatsword?

The swat, the rot, the hot and the NOT!!! Lol Love the vids bro. Tbh you are pretty much how I get my elden ring fix these days. After 5 full runs and an invader month i just cant anymore. I appreciate the effort my dude.

you've got to attack placidusax's tail, when he goes for the fire breath attack you just jump over the tail and run a little bit outwards. makes it *vastly* easier to dodge.

21:27 Nice a little bit of old school Utada Hikaru

Favorite dragon? Really hard to pick, there are so many cool ones. I guess I'll just name a few. Smaug, of course. Maleficent, obviously. Vermithrax Pejorative from Dragonslayer is one of the greatest practical effects ever made. Wargreymon always kicks ass (hard to pick just one Digimon, same goes for Pokemon and Yu-gi-oh). Lastly for a darkhorse pick, Volvagia from Ocarina of Time is a really cool boss.