"Catalytic converter theft dies in the attempt" sounds like a feel good story to me! if the police do anything other then throw the book at the accomplices it would be absurd. if the family of the thief gets the driver's info to even file a suit that would also be absurd, but if it does happen the driver should counter-sue for everything they can including damage to the car and emotional distress.
Well it’s California so I don’t expect much. It wouldn’t surprise me if the real victim got charged with vehicular manslaughter and the surviving criminals got the keys to the city.
@@Trump985 petty hyperbole much? 18 other states have higher rates of crime, most of them with far more lenient sentencing. Shit, here in central Minnesota, we currently have a guy in our county jail who has had 15 previous assault convictions, and he just keeps getting released. Our conservative DA says he’s tough on crime, but refuses to do anything for these violent offenders. I looked up the records of all people in the Crow Wing County jail one night. Of all inmates in for assault, only 2 were first time offenders. I don’t know why people shit on California, and I only assume it’s because they are a blue state.
I thank this woman for her public service. I hope the community comes together and can help her fix her vehicle if the thug doesn't have any money in their accounts to pay for it.
The thief was negligent by placing himself in a position where a vehicle would likely run him over if it moved. He had a duty to avoid that kind of dangerous situation, and he failed in that duty.
The driver was a lone woman who woke up to a loud noise with three strangers looking at her. No sane juror would blame her for trying to leave immediately, and she could have kept on driving instead of stopping when she unintentionally ran over the thief. If she is inconvenienced by a lawsuit, I hope that she successfully countersues.
It's California, so a sane jury isn't a guarantee. This doesn't seem like a case that could get spun into a racial issue, though, so the driver should be safe. It's possible a pro-criminal prosecutor could throw some driving citations at her, which bypass the right to a jury trial.
So sad that the car was already damaged by the time she forced him to stop. But I think of all the other catalytic converters that were saved by this woman. She did a great service to the catalytic converter world.
Well, I think in Ca. His death may lead to charges for the the other people. Not the victim of the theft. The accomplices of the thief! The woman should file a lawsuit for stress. I mean she might be upset about running over a thief.
I make sure to install the old cat converter heatshields over cheap ass glasspack mufflers That way, loud exhaust gets louder Only costs a max of 30 bucks Person gets righteously peeved when it turns out the cat they tried stealin was only a cheap as chips muffler
@@claycoates5056 No There’s not even a “Darwin Award”. Darwin was extremely specific in that he was referring to instances of biological evolution. Cosmic evolution, origin of life…or anything signatory to biological evolution….is NOT Darwinism at all. Common mistake. People just run with the rhetoric…literally for over a hundred years.
The fact that people can and have sued for their own negligence while attempting to deprive others of life, liberty and property and have it taken seriously is just a joke, in and of itself.
Socalled "justice system" is corrupt to the core to even allow idiocy like this. Yeah, let's make sure perpetrators have the same rights as their victims. Absolute nonsense and the same kind of mentality that allows shoplifting with no penalties and releasing criminals back on the street.
@@logansmall5148 Not to mention that she might need a wheel alignment and there's no telling how much blood he sprayed into the undercarrage. If she doesn't get a through wash it'll start attracting flies.
I like your thinking. Unfortunately, in an effort to be kinder to criminals, in 2019, California legislators and the governor watered down the felony murder rule considerably. The main change is that the crime must now be a "dangerous felony" whereby there is an intent to kill. This particular case does leave the door open for manslaughter charges, however, given the current criminal friendly atmosphere in California, particularly in LA county, I don't imagine that will be charged.
The fact that she stopped, even in the presence of potential danger to herself, as soon as she realized she had run over a person, and promptly called 911 to get the person medical aid. I think even if a duty of care to the victim could be established, she has clearly met or exceeded that duty of care.
So you believe in the death penalty for thieves? You do realize that's even worse than what they do in Arab countries where they cut of the theives hand?
@@bigballz4u This isn't the death penalty... This is simply a Darwin Award. Same as if someone breaks into a house and is subsequently shot by the owner. I don't believe in the death penalty in any cases, that would be the courts using death as a punishment for a crime. I do believe that if someone dies during the commission of a crime, that is a case of ef around find out. It's still a sad story but I don't feel bad for the deceased in this case or similar cases.
Yeah, I'd like to see them sue. "We were depending on his income from stealing catalytic converters so now you owe us money." Would be interesting to see how much pity that jury has.
The result id like to see is the jury awarding the victims of the deceased thief money. "You get nothing and now owe all those people X amount, is there anything else you'd like to argue today?"
They could see themselves charged as accomplices if a prosecutor finds evidence to convince a jury that a reasonable person would know the money was coming from crime. The men with him during the crime will all be charged with his death and it would be great if the family can be too.
The dollar amount and financial impact of this is incalculable. I cannot even begin to imagine the amount of people that had their livelihood ruined by losing their vehicle. The inconvenience. The financial loss. If you're a thief you know what you're doing is WRONG. Live by the sword - die by the sword.
I feel bad for the driver. The majority of us would have a heavy heart after killing someone, even though the thief and his 3 accomplices were the only ones to blame. But still, I imagine it will burden her. But I do hope she gets through the experience just fine.
I dont want to kill or hurt anyone.. But if they be messing with my chevy Poortec v8 truck, costing me more moeny in maintenance They better be leaving behind that badass Metabo HPT 36v cordless angle grinder with anti vibratory side handle Cuz Ive already got the 18v one But that 36v is one bad motor choocher.
I'm sure some folks would have a heavy heart, but I also suspect MANY people would get a real sense of joy from taking some animal like this out (myself probably included).
I don't think a cat is worth $950 (the threshold to make stealing just one of them a felony). Although if they can prove they were part of a string of thefts totaling more than $950 that could stick in theory
I like your thinking. Unfortunately, in an effort to be kinder to criminals, in 2019, California legislators and the governor watered down the felony murder rule considerably. The main change is that the crime must now be a "dangerous felony" whereby there is an intent to kill. This particular case does leave the door open for manslaughter charges, however, given the current criminal friendly atmosphere in California, particularly in LA county, I don't imagine that will be charged.
Well this video immediately reminded me of an experience I had. I was a truck driver at the time. Leaving out of the L.A. area, I got held up by weekend traffic. I was running out of drive time and I needed to find a stop. I stopped at a middle of no where gas station with truck parking. I closed the curtains on my cab and went to the bunk. Middle of the night something woke me. I peaked out the curtain and saw a pickup truck with a bunch of people at the back of my truck. Knowing my life was in danger, I pulled down the curtains, jumped in the driver seat. I immediately started pulling out of the truck stop. I grabbed the air horn to wake everyone, and made my way without stopping to the freeway. I did not stop until I came to a well lite truck stop. I parked in the fuel lane, got out and inspected the back of my trailer. I saw that they had gotten as far as cutting off the bolt seal. I notified my dispatcher, and called the sheriffs department to file a report. Deputy told me, never park in their state if I do not want that to happen. With more experience, I would have planned for the California Weekend traffic better. And I would have probably refused the original load going to California in the first place.
My daughter was driving a RAV4 in a north Detroit suburb, two lanes merging slowly into one lane at 10-15mph (for construction). People were letting others zipper into the merge. My daughter in the RIGHT lane let the semi with cargo trailer merge on her left. The guy in his car behind her was raged that she let a semi in. He passed her on the right side/disappearing shoulder with the temporary cement barrier on the right. He also tried to pass the semi with trailer who is now in the area with only 1.3 lanes wide. He got past the trailer wheels. Trucker had no idea. My daughter watched the trailer wheels run 100% over and crush the little car in slow motion The guy in the car survived. The car died at the scene.
@@TheBooban The thing about company drivers. Most of those trucks operate from one key. So, no, most truck drivers are very insecure in there cabs while they sleep. We do things, like running a strap between the doors in the cab. But, that would only hold for so long.
Piggly Wiggly, the very first self service supermarket, began in 1916 in Memphis Tennessee, and revolutionized the grocery, advertising, and food packaging industry. Not only did Piggly Wiggly invent the self service supermarket, they also invented the shopping cart, which was called a "buggy". No longer were clerks dipping and weighing products from barrels, now things are packaged for individual or family consumption, and brand recognition is paramount in food marketing.
@@dr.elvis.h.christ "But officer, when I turned around to see what I ran over, I noticed they were pointing what I thought were guns at me. So I had to crush their stupid little asses. To save my own life. What would you have done?"
@@dr.elvis.h.christ In the dark, when one is scared, anything in the hand resembles a gun. It's the world we live in because, thieves are not afraid and have become very bold.
Honor thy jack stands and wheel chocks Thine hydraylic jack is used only as a secondary safety without weight on jack but sitting on the stands Thine buns be grateful for the few seconds proper vehicle hoisting techniques can give ya. The poo smear when a jack stand starts making that metal on concrete scrape wherein stuffs about to get extremely sheeeeew buddy 1 single time 1 I forsought the jack stand safety Damn hydraulic jack damn sure did blow the main hyd ram seal Luckily i was only changing a tire But now theres no damn way im under a vehicle i havent blocked wheels, lifted, jack stands isntalled weight on jack stand hyd jack lightly pressing on lift point as a back up Even a small car like a Chevy sonic weighs maybe 2800lbs? My 1500 series truck is about 6200lbs? Nah bro Sketch factor screw that
Momma always did say, "Stupid is as stupid does." You're not making light of someone's demise. The victim made light of his potential as a human being.
This warms my heart. I wish more cars would exact the ultimate revenge on thieves. Unfortunately this happened in CA and in CA all crime is legal so the driver/owner will have to serve either a life sentence or a death sentence. Whichever would make an example of a victim defending themselves as to discourage future victims defending themselves.
Around 25 or 30 years ago there were these bank robbers in SoCal that were fully armored like they were in Call of Duty and there was this huge shootout. I even remember watching it live on TV in the Midwest but in the end the bank robbers were killed and the families of the bank robbers tried to sue the bank (I think it was Bank of America), the police & the city partly because the medical people took care of the wounded police & civilians first. If I remember correctly it got thrown out because they were robbing a bank afterall.
Bank of America, they tried to foreclose on houses that they did not even have an agreement with, F them, I recently got an offer for $600 if I open 0 fee account and I shredded it. I will never deal with them or homophobic Chic-fil-A. Business's should not pull a My Pillow crusade.
Ah yes, the North Hollywood shootout. They apparently watched Heat, took a bunch of muscle relaxers and robbed that bank. Sadly, this is why cops have ARs now, because they had something to justify turning into the military. It might have happened anyway, but those robbers didn't help.
@@Voltaic_Fire it’s a “mistake” to act out premeditated theft however regardless how you look at it someone that commits premeditated theft doesn’t deserve the death sentence.
@@lf3566 I probably wouldn't kill the guy if I caught him and his cohorts stealing my stuff, they'd get away with a mere knee capping, but I am hardly going to feel bad for them if they do face the potential consequences of their actions. My store of empathy just doesn't extend to people who round up a few of their friends and stalk neighbourhoods for vulnerable cars with the intent of doing thousands of dollars of damage as many times as they can get away with. They'd have kept doing it until caught or stopped, harming as many people as possible.
Such a heart warming story. I seriously laughed my ass off when this story first broke. This may sound cruel, but I have no pity for criminals when they get themselves killed while in the process of doing an illegal act such as stealing. That's just one less menace to society on the streets or in the prison system, which our tax dollars are paying for, anyway. I just had some delivered Amazon packages stolen from outside my door a few days ago, so yeah... I'm a little extra bitter when it comes to crooks.
Piggly Wiggly was one of the first grocery stores to allow customers self-serve access to food items. It was a far cry from a modern grocery and more similar to a over-sized convenience store with directional aisles for cart traffic. My g-dad thought it was the greatest thing ever, in the 60's when he visited the big city of Abilene, TX.
Poetic justice is always so much nicer. No need for lawyers, judges and juries. Or, expert testimony and conflicting witness testimony. Hearing all sorts of justifications from people who weren't even there. Sadly, we still usually get to hear the wailing from his failed parental units about what a good boy he was and how he'd turned his life around after his last stint in the can. How he was a great father to his four kids with four different baby daddies. Yeah, right.
I agree with your video title. It ended badly because all 4 of the would-be-thieves were not under the car when she moved her SUV. 4 at one time is always better than just 1 at a time.
As much as it's fun to point and laugh at the demise of a vile individual. That poor woman has to live with the fact she killed someone through her own actions. That will weigh on her forever.
Don't forget to also add emotional stress in the lawsuit because you know it will cause her to feel guilty about killing him to where she might have to have counseling to get over it.
@@MagesseT1 It's true that she's not at fault. But that won't stop her brain doing all the gymnastics of the "what if" and "I should have done ....". How many times in your life have you done something and it came back to you as a "damn, I should have said/done (insert random thing here)." Now imagine that scenario involved the death of someone regardless of how much of a piece of shit they are. This is the kind of thing that gives people severe PTSD.
Thank you for representing my childhood with both tie dye and piggly wiggly. The only thing missing is the brown caprice classic station wagon… that’s me in the trundle seats in the back.
There could be criminal charges. If anyone dies in the course of committing a crime (theft of the catalytic converter), the other participants in the crime could be charged with the death of their accomplice.
I had two catalytic converters stolen off of my Motorhome during a 9 month time span. Each time it was parked in a locked, lighted storage yard. Each time It cost my insurance company and me $2850. to replace. The last time I had it mounted with flanges on each end so I can unbolt it and remove it. It can take anywhere from a week to a month to get a Catalytic converter replaced if the cat has to be ordered. My first one took 10 days to order then another 2 or 3 days to get it into the shop. Just glad this didn't happen while I was on a trip. I was parked in a rest area once and woke up to a noise and looked out the window and saw a man walking toward me while I was parked at the far end of the rest area where no one else was. I started the engine and drove off as fast as I could. I don't feel sorry about someone getting hurt or killed while trying to steel catalytic converters. More should be done to stop this from happening.
I had this happen to me last year at the height of all the nationwide shortages after Covid. I use my vehicle to travel to a lot of locations for work. They couldn't even give me a shipping date as my model's (2018) converter was on backorder. Took almost two months, while I had to scramble to keep renting vehicles that could mount a ladder. Ended up renting a U-Haul more than once as nothing was available with a luggage rack or long bed. You try to shake things like this off and not stress over it, but as time went on I fantasized more and more about all the things I'd have liked to do if I'd caught them in the act.
That possibility almost always exists, unfortunately. And the more serious the situation, the more it applies. Though I can see why the victim wouldn't think she would need one in this case, there is a reason the standard legal advice is not to talk to police without an attorney in a serious situation.
When I received my concealed handgun training, the instructor repeatedly emphasized that in any situation where you employ the weapon, you're gonna be in a court as a result.
@@jamesfinley1075 Exactly. If you're involved in a minor fender bender or something more routine, odds are there are a standard set of procedures that will be applied in that situation. When you start talking about situation where death or serious injury are involved (or attempted use of deadly force), the greater the stakes and the odds that the things you say to police are going to be more heavily scrutinized.... even if on the surface it clearly seems to suggest you were the victim.
Well if I look down and see a guy under my car and decide I'm going to run this a hole over then yes I should be charged with at minimum manslaughter Hopefully that's not what happened here and if it is hopefully she'll keep her mouth shut :-) because it'd be really hard to prove that :-) And while I do not want people running around killing people even bad ones who might seem like they deserve it I also won't have trouble sleeping at night either hearing about it
@@nerys71 Very true. If she had seen someone under a car, she would need to really convince a jury that she feared it was his life of theirs for still deciding to take off. And while I see a lot of comment saying this story had a "happy ending" I tend to agree more with you. It could be some kid who has been influenced or hanging around with the wrong people. Don't get me wrong, I have my car broken into multiple times, belongings stolen, property and security violated and it's infuriating feeling. But it's property crime and I have a hard time feeling it's worth ending someone's life over. Try to bring harm to my family, my pets, or enter my home, and this is would be a much different discussion regarding my level of concern for their fate.
OKAY, I gotta ask, "How many people does it take to saw off a catalytic converter?" Mabe a good thing is, we can assume that the thief didn't suffer from any exhaust pipe burns...
This reminds me of a scene in No Country for Old Men in which Tommy Lee Jones's character describes the violent deaths of the drug runners as, "natural causes,' and when his deputy takes exception he replies that it was natural to their line of work.
If their family/estate did sue, I'd lodge a countersuit for damages inflicted to the vehicle and for emotional damage at having killed someone when you had no intent to ever do so.
Back around 1973 I dated a girl from Mobile, Alabama and laughed my head off the first time she talked about Piggly Wiggly. It sounded so country and she did not take it lightly. A few years later I was stationed in Alabama and saw one and thought.... a'll be damned...it is real. The little island I came from went tie-dye crazy when it first started...OMG everyone was doing it and trying to outdo each other. Yup...went through the Dashiki phase also.
@@arthurcutaiar9994 The story is indeed a happy ending tale and my post goes with other things said at the end. Perhaps you can listen to the last minute? Now if you like stories with joyous endings like this, may I suggest Active Self Protection channel where there are many stories of criminals taking a forever dirt nap. And...and...if you are not aware, Steve hides a $100 note somewhere in each video. Some are found easily and others are not. Scroll down in the comments for "Ben" if you cannot find the bill. Today he is not so easy to find.
They need to seriously limit lawsuits against people defending themselves. Usually a person gets victimized twice, once by the perp and 2nd by the perp family. You should be able to sue them for raising them to terrorize the community.
This is becoming a huge problem in our society, where someone defends themselves and then has their life destroyed by frivolous law suits. This guy played the game, FAFO, and found out.
The victim’s family should sue his accomplices for getting him into that situation. They’ve probably got plenty of money from all that catalytic converter cash.
Honest officer, I was so panicked that after I heard the first thump, I drove forward and heard a second thump. By that time, I was beside myself, so I backed up again. 😛
If this day of entitled punks, you can bet his family will see him because it’s their nature to take what’s not theirs to make a living! I just hope the jury isn’t the mechanism, through which they launder the money.
Thank God and for his ultimate, unexpected justice🙌 This is the consequences for choosing crime over getting a job like the rest of us. I do not feel bad for this lost life, i would rather shed tears for those who are innocent and wrongfully killed. GOD is the only true Justice🌟✝️🌟 Remember the story of the thief that fell through the roof of the home he was burglarizing? He ended up suing the homeowner….and won. This is how mixed up our liberal society is these days. …..Come soon Jesus….🙏
At another level, the new age politicians and DAs are to blame for this. They have created an environment where crime does pay off more often than not, thus more events such as this.
In California, they've literally admitted they're permitting theft as a form of wealth redistribution, because obviously the guys setting up tables full of stolen goods on the sidewalk to sell were just desperate and hungry, and businesses are bottomless pits of money to redistribute without harm.
A friend's father was sued by a man who broke into a locked con-ex box, stole a four-wheeler that had been locked to a block of concrete with high-security locks. The thief crashed the vehicle into a tree while showing off to his friends and was paralyzed due to the injuries. A lawyer actually filed that suit.
While this certainly doesn't sound like it applies to your friend, there is something called an "attractive nuisance" that civil attorney's often try to bastardize. In ground swimming pools are probably the simplest example. If you don't take adequate steps to secure access to the pool (fenced, locked, etc), you can be sued if someone drowns in it even they illegally entered your property. My friend was an avid snowboarder and kept a trampoline in his unfenced yard to practice ariel jumps in the warmer months. A few of the neighborhood kids would always ask to play on it and he was smart enough to say no. But once I told him that it being in an unfenced yard - that if they played on it even without his permission and they got hurt he could be sued- he wisely got rid of it.
@@5610winston Well, I hope it was clear from my original reply and that I think it's a completely frivolous lawsuit. I was just trying to explain to you how attorney's sometimes try to manipulate these laws. Also, while we are on that topic. attorney's (even ones that aren't slimeballs) have to go through a discovery process when determining the validity of a case and rely on the information give to them by clients. Sometimes they recall it incorrectly and sometimes plantiffs and defendants outright lie and an attorney might not find that out until the motion is already underway. In other words, a the decision to proceed with a law suit can be hinge on one or several pieces of information that another party later prove to be false. Anyway, hope everything worked out in favor of your friend's Dad.
I'm surprised that the other 3 hung around. LOL! Not only would the sound would've awaken her, but the vibrations from the saw would've startled her too. And the Piggly Wiggly...you're not missing anything. All of the ones in my area still look the same for as long as I can remember. I was born in '76. They all need to be torn down. It's time for them to rebuild. I'd rather go spend a little more at the other grocery store in town because it's cleaner and more appealing. Unless I feel like driving 13 - 25 miles to an Aldi, Walmart, PUBLIX, or Kroger's. Most of the time I rather drive just to get away. 😄 The shirt is 😎✌🏾.
I'm unaware of any driver training that recommends checking underneath the motor vehicle to be operated for someone laying beneath it. As a former juror in several civil matters, I'll suggest that any plaintiff would be laughed out of the courthouse.
I believe there are some states that charge the accomplices of a crime with homicide or something along those lines if one of the perpetrators dies in the commission of the crime. So, if 3 people break into your house, and you shoot and kill one of them, the other 2 are charged with that person's death.
I just recently watched another video where several suspects were stopped in Florida IIRC, and the police found the trunk full of sawed off catalytic converters.
Civil juries are horrid. After sitting 11 weeks on a civil jury 3 jurors voted for the plaintiff because “the defendant has insurance and those poor people lost everything”. Thankfully we were able to convince them that was wrong. But what if it were 6 of them instead of 3?
If this event had occurred in New Zealand, the Police, The Crown Prosecution (Persecution) Service and the Court would have dragged the car's owner/driver through every single Court and Appeals process in the land, in an effort to "bust" them for something. Meanwhile under our (usually excellent,) "ACC" Accident Compensation Scheme, the dead person's family would be eligible for a range of government payouts and if they'd had a job, they'd be entitled to 80% of his normal weekly wage. I'm glad the innocent woman's life wasn't ruined by having to prove herself innocent of murder/manslaughter, through several Court cases and Appeals.
