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CATASTROPHIC BIRD STRIKE ON TAKEOFF | Engine Severely Damaged 

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20/DEC/2023
Southwest B737 MAX performing flight from New Orleans to Tampa was on the initial climb when the pilots declared an emergency reporting a bird strike and had lost the left hand engine.
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@VASAviation
@VASAviation 7 месяцев назад
VASAviation has known that several blades in the engine were found destroyed. We'll keep this post updated as more information releases.
@weylinwest9505
@weylinwest9505 7 месяцев назад
Damn, what'd they strike that caused that much damage?
@Yamato-tp2kf
@Yamato-tp2kf 7 месяцев назад
​​@@weylinwest9505 If it was a big bird... Yes, I would recommend watching the mayday series episode about the miracle of the Hudson river where a flock of Canada geese literally destroyed the fuel injectors of the two engines.. And each of these geese were bigger than what the engine could support... That episode of mayday explained very well the danger of a bird strike
@benoithudson7235
@benoithudson7235 7 месяцев назад
Probably a Royal Canadian Air Force goose.
@maurice_walker
@maurice_walker 7 месяцев назад
Some passengers reported smelling fried reindeer...
@bobroberts2371
@bobroberts2371 7 месяцев назад
This is a failure of the chemtrail system, too much mind control fluid being injected caused the failure.
@GKsGS400
@GKsGS400 7 месяцев назад
Felt some real tension listening to that one. Big Damage!!!!! Glad everyone was safe 🙏
@jetalse7974
@jetalse7974 7 месяцев назад
I like the ATC initial response after the emergency was declared, no unnecessary questions, gave instructions and left the pilots to work on the problem.
@Success_Loves_Speed
@Success_Loves_Speed 7 месяцев назад
Had same thoughts.
@TheGospelQuartetParadise
@TheGospelQuartetParadise 7 месяцев назад
Not only that, but no fuel and souls on board. It happened on takeoff so I guess everyone knew they had a good amount of fuel on board.
@jetalse7974
@jetalse7974 7 месяцев назад
@@TheGospelQuartetParadise Souls on board is mentioned later
@Kane12653
@Kane12653 7 месяцев назад
@@jetalse7974 why on earth can't they manage to find that information themselves? Doesn't the company know or someone else? I mean if someone is stressed out, every unnecessary question counts
@MrBurndonesinkchair
@MrBurndonesinkchair 7 месяцев назад
@@Kane12653I believe the flight crew decides how much fuel to carry prior to each departure as part of weight and CG calculations. The only people that know how much fuel is on-board after startup, taxi to runway, & taking off will be the flight crew.
@foreststewart1968
@foreststewart1968 7 месяцев назад
Great video, & a real plus that you included the smoking engine clip, in order to provide additional context beyond your (excellent) standard format.
@VASAviation
@VASAviation 7 месяцев назад
Thank you much for your support!
@basketballspinner
@basketballspinner 7 месяцев назад
Actually, I worked for Delta at MSY and we had a bird strike in 2009 on a 757. That airport is actually in reclaimed swamp land. Many birds flying around that airport. Surprised it doesn’t happen more often. And now that I think about it, we, at Delta had another bird strike that comes to mind, this one hit the nose of the plane and didn’t cause engine damage. Just something these pilots have to watch out for.
@rickrickard2788
@rickrickard2788 7 месяцев назад
Controller had his hands full, but he just couldn't help thinking, "Victor's gonna post this, I just know it.." - How he got "Victor", instead of "Kilo".... ... While extremely tense listening to this, it seems all got through this ok.. Great job by all- some big smoke in that picture. Thanks for all you do, Victor- Have a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year to you, and to all who appreciate what you do.
@JohnDoe-sg1pd
@JohnDoe-sg1pd 7 месяцев назад
I know the emergency aircraft was 7 miles out but I would have held the other SWA (569). If 569 had a problem and needed to abort or stop on runway 11, it would have required the emergency single engine aircraft to go around. Not ideal. The pilots were on masks indicating smoke or a smell and possibly severe damage.
@pilotconnor2930
@pilotconnor2930 7 месяцев назад
Fly out of New Orleans Lakefront and heard this whole exchange go down. Our ATC guys are very relaxed and professional. Great job by our ATC and Southwest pilots for dealing with this emergency.
@UnshavenStatue
@UnshavenStatue 6 месяцев назад
Some of those takeoff clearances at the end strike me as totally insane. Keep the runway clean, if those takeoffs have their own problems, then it all becomes exponentially worse
@ranger95guy
@ranger95guy 7 месяцев назад
@VASAviation check out an incident with N66RC on Dec 18, 2023 in Forney, TX. Newspaper story says the twin engine Piper ran out of fuel and crashed on a highway.
@VASAviation
@VASAviation 7 месяцев назад
Thanks for the report
@atinwoodsman
@atinwoodsman 7 месяцев назад
Scary situation, glad everything turned out well.
@smgebrov
@smgebrov 7 месяцев назад
Thank you to everyone for their professionalism
@VASAviation
@VASAviation 7 месяцев назад
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@angelinasouren
@angelinasouren 7 месяцев назад
My sentiments too.
@2Phast4Rocket
@2Phast4Rocket 7 месяцев назад
Despite this was an emergency situation, the pilots are trained for this every six months. They can probably handle this emergency in their sleep.
@CanyonBlue737Capt
@CanyonBlue737Capt 7 месяцев назад
Training frequency varies by airline. SWA is on a 12 month CQP schedule.
@NelsonBrown
@NelsonBrown 7 месяцев назад
7:44 - I think the pilot says "Catastrophic damage."
@VASAviation
@VASAviation 7 месяцев назад
Absolutely. Found out after editing. Sorry.
@Yamato-tp2kf
@Yamato-tp2kf 7 месяцев назад
​@@VASAviationI think that at some point I start to hear the pilots voice muffled, I thought immediately that they were using their oxygen masks and I thought also, oh boy smoke in the cabin, this is not good
@ThTol
@ThTol 7 месяцев назад
Just wondering; isn't it strange that 00:43 Southwest 1874 is cleared for takeoff on the same runway although the nature of the emergency is not clear yet? A birdstrike seems likely when an aircraft returns directly after takeoff, shouldn't that trigger a runway inspection before any further operations?
@GWNorth-db8vn
@GWNorth-db8vn 7 месяцев назад
He was still pumping out the departures, including letting them take off from intersections other than the end of the runway. If one of them hit a bird and messed up the runway, that would leave SW having to go around and set up for a different runway, with an engine with unknown damage or danger and on oxygen.
@MW-zm8sd
@MW-zm8sd 7 месяцев назад
Yes. 100% you stop departing on that runway until you've had an inspection. The one on the runway you'd vacate asap. It's one of the basics of Air Traffic Control. ATC did good apart from that.
@Michael_K_Woods
@Michael_K_Woods 7 месяцев назад
It’s not really that dangerous. The bird strike had to happen after V1 rotate speed (or else they would have stopped the takeoff) so any debris and goose parts would likely fall from the plane after where planes take off. Nonetheless, airport ops likely did a sweep at some point as it only takes a few minutes to do so.
@MW-zm8sd
@MW-zm8sd 7 месяцев назад
@@Michael_K_Woods I disagree with the first part. Just because it might happen after V1, anything ingested or damaged would get thrown out the back of the aircraft. And you don't 100% know its just the engine. Parts of the airframe might have been damaged. And just because their V1 might a certain point, doesn't mean the next aircraft V1 isn't past that point of previous V1. It's 100% trained (I do the training) that any form of birdstrike or aircraft on departing reporting an issue or an emergency, that you get an inspection done before you continue to depart. If parts of the engine were thrown out the back and the next departure hit those, well... As for the second point, yes, once an inspection is done you can resume departing.
@J.C...
@J.C... 7 месяцев назад
​@@Michael_K_Woods few minutes? I heard one of these places shut down a runway for an hour to complete inspection for wreckage and parts after 2 planes collided while taxi'ing. Seems like your "few mins" is a gross understatement.
@rBennet_
@rBennet_ 7 месяцев назад
I already thought pushing NKS1046 out was a bit silly, but then trying to get two more out while SWA554 was on a 7nm final amazes me. What if one of them fails to complete the takeoff roll (rejected takeoff etc.)? What if the second aircraft wasn't fast enough (took too long to lineup etc.)? Imagine being in an emergency and getting sent around (with one engine) because the runway is blocked. It was, from the looks of it, a time-critical emergency. Can someone explain?
@volvodadfast
@volvodadfast 7 месяцев назад
I was surprised that the Tower did not call for a runway sweep
@k1mgy
@k1mgy 7 месяцев назад
See my full critique, which includes your observation. Yes, an abysmal decision.
@Tywais
@Tywais 7 месяцев назад
@@volvodadfast At the end it says "runway was checked for debris". Whether that was tower's call or the emergency vehicles requesting it is not clear.
@volvodadfast
@volvodadfast 7 месяцев назад
@@Tywais that happened after a few planes took off on that runway
@barrno14
@barrno14 7 месяцев назад
Totally agree, you have an emergency inbound to the runway, you keep that runway exclusively for the emergency to ensure a second emergency doesn't occur that closes that runway
@StoneysWorkshop
@StoneysWorkshop 7 месяцев назад
everyone made it through safe! so great to hear! 🎉
@boyousef544
@boyousef544 7 месяцев назад
Emergency aircraft !! Is this the FAA term for mayday mayday mayday !
@FrancoCastro
@FrancoCastro 7 месяцев назад
Went to new orleans once some years ago. I remember trying to fly my small dji drone and I just couldn't a lot of birds trying to take it down. No idea why there are so many birds around there I guess because of the swamps
@johnnyfitzthum9040
@johnnyfitzthum9040 7 месяцев назад
I hope the people on the flight are OK
@andyasdf2078
@andyasdf2078 7 месяцев назад
Why did they keep sending departures from runway 11 with emergency traffic inbound?
@jerseyshoredroneservices225
@jerseyshoredroneservices225 7 месяцев назад
Because Southwest wasn't there yet and they didn't need the runway until they got there. Should the last plane have been allowed to take off 5.5 mi ahead of the emergency SW? I wouldn't think so.
@kyle1070
@kyle1070 7 месяцев назад
Sounds like oxygen mask on pilots
@alexmiller7721
@alexmiller7721 7 месяцев назад
I'm not sure they were. I thought so at first, but the other pilot's audio was clear. I suspect it was a duff mic.
@parti-gyle6466
@parti-gyle6466 7 месяцев назад
Number 1 engine ingested a goose; Number 1 officer ingested a honker
@kyle1070
@kyle1070 7 месяцев назад
@parti-gyle6466 I've come very close to hitting large birds at my field. Surrounded by lakes and a wildlife preserve. I get the humor but did they actually bust the glass?
@parti-gyle6466
@parti-gyle6466 7 месяцев назад
Not to my knowledge kyle. I just couldn't resist the humor -- misplaced perhaps...
@kyle1070
@kyle1070 7 месяцев назад
​@@parti-gyle6466ha no worries. Most people these days don't get my sense of humor but I'm going to keep on making them feel ackward.
@susanwahl6322
@susanwahl6322 7 месяцев назад
Must have been big birds!
@Kane12653
@Kane12653 7 месяцев назад
why did the controller let aircrafts take off on RW11 when having an emergency inbound. I thought RW11 was reserved for the emergency
@J.C...
@J.C... 7 месяцев назад
I lived next to the flight line at the local US Air Force Base. So I ALWAYS heard them setting off some sort of booms! to scare the birds away. Maybe they were shooting air from an air cannon? I have no idea. I just know we heard it ALLLL the time.
@TheJetJock
@TheJetJock 7 месяцев назад
Why don’t they ever say Mayday? That would get the controllers attention straight away. I’ve noticed they never seem to use that in the US. It’s the one way where ATC can absolutely know it’s an emergency when someone declares that, instead of asking to repeat and wasting time.
@cullery07
@cullery07 7 месяцев назад
So saying a word,mayday, that isn’t emergency but means emergency is more specific/direct than saying emergency 🤨
@chrisstromberg6527
@chrisstromberg6527 7 месяцев назад
It was understood by all that this was an "Emergency Aircraft", you understood it, the tower understood it, the pilots understood it.
@TheJetJock
@TheJetJock 7 месяцев назад
@@chrisstromberg6527 ATC didn’t, he asked a second time and this delayed the response.
@Tortex88
@Tortex88 7 месяцев назад
​@@cullery07it's the recognised term used internationally for a reason.
@cullery07
@cullery07 7 месяцев назад
@@Tortex88 saying emergency is internationally recognized word for an emergency.
@haylieg2780
@haylieg2780 7 месяцев назад
I used to live down in that area, and I was surprised that it did not happen more often. Anyone know how often it happens in Fort Myers KRSW?
@chriscruzA35O-9OO
@chriscruzA35O-9OO 7 месяцев назад
I use to live in Lehigh Acres but i never heard about often happen there
@kentreg1
@kentreg1 7 месяцев назад
Nice job to ATC and Pilots. However, I would not have cleared Southwest for takeoff with company emergency inbound. Then the controller told Air Shuttle to line up and wait with emergency on 5.5 mile final! If that aircraft had to abort takeoff are you gonna tell the emergency to go around?
@A.J.1656
@A.J.1656 7 месяцев назад
Yes.
@k1mgy
@k1mgy 7 месяцев назад
Not a nice job at all. "However, I would not have cleared Southwest for takeoff with company emergency inbound," would be a natural consideration for most of us observers.
@A.J.1656
@A.J.1656 7 месяцев назад
@@k1mgy They should start having "observer day" where youtube commenters go work in the control tower to show the professionals how to do their job. Lol They do have the ability to execute a go around on one engine. It's not preferable, but it wouldn't automatically spell disaster. As an observer of this video, we can't assume to know what prompted the controller's decisions. It could have been made to facilitate any number of safety considerations for the emergency aircraft. For example, maybe getting a few jets off the taxiways would allow several additional access points for the ARFF vehicles responding while ground control held everyone on the ramp areas until the situation was resolved.
@earthwindflier
@earthwindflier 7 месяцев назад
So....did they turn the plane back around in 20 minutes?? Glad all were safe btw.
@RhysIvanMusic
@RhysIvanMusic 7 месяцев назад
ATC was phenomenal here.
@danc3488
@danc3488 7 месяцев назад
I'm just wondering and I might be wrong here. But would it have been possible for the controller to get the zero fuel aircraft in while the emergency aircraft ran their checklists? Sorry, I get flashbacks to the Avianca crash when I hear a plane say they're low on fuel and get told to wait.
@jerseyshoredroneservices225
@jerseyshoredroneservices225 7 месяцев назад
That aircraft had plenty of fuel, otherwise he would not have chosen to wait and would have diverted instead.
@urke367
@urke367 7 месяцев назад
Why they kept letting departures go from runway 11 when the had an emergency acft landing on that runway?
@MrBurndonesinkchair
@MrBurndonesinkchair 7 месяцев назад
Why would they stop departures?
@urke367
@urke367 7 месяцев назад
@@MrBurndonesinkchair they had an emergency acft landing.The departure acft could have aborted and remained on the runway,or could have hit a bird as well leading to another possible emergency.In case of mayday,stop everything.
@JohnLemieux
@JohnLemieux 2 месяца назад
Was the pilot speaking with his o2 mask? Why would 1 engine failure require that?
@moomae1
@moomae1 7 месяцев назад
Did they hit Big Bird?? 😮
@elsuprimo0674
@elsuprimo0674 7 месяцев назад
Working local and final combined??
@VASAviation
@VASAviation 7 месяцев назад
Negative
@JohnClark1984
@JohnClark1984 7 месяцев назад
Do you have a recreation video of southwest 4013?
@VASAviation
@VASAviation 7 месяцев назад
When and what happened?
@JohnClark1984
@JohnClark1984 7 месяцев назад
@@VASAviation landed at the wrong airport back in 2014
@wayneinnc5379
@wayneinnc5379 6 месяцев назад
That ATC was “right on”! Giving info like a machine gun!! How he did that is amazing!
@atcatorl
@atcatorl 7 месяцев назад
Fricking Spirit.... 🙄
@WBDE
@WBDE 7 месяцев назад
I have heard Spirit planes on multiple occasions advise they have minimal fuel. Is this now their policy to carry insufficient fuel to accommodate unexpected situations?
@VASAviation
@VASAviation 7 месяцев назад
That's the policy of most low cost airlines worldwide.
@detritus23
@detritus23 7 месяцев назад
More likely that SOPs set higher minimum diversion requirements. Fuel load minimum cushions are set by the FAA, so it's unlikely that Spirit can go under that...but....
@MrBurndonesinkchair
@MrBurndonesinkchair 7 месяцев назад
How much fuel is minimal? How many minutes/nmi?
@detritus23
@detritus23 7 месяцев назад
@@MrBurndonesinkchair Mentour Pilot has a video on this. It's dependent on the nature of the flight and the destination. Basically, there has to be sufficient fuel for destination to destination, including cushion for wind and weather, sufficient fuel for diversion at destination, a certain amount of loiter duration fuel, and a mandated percentage over all that. Since it is condition-dependent and calculated, there is a possibility of arriving at the destination with low-duration fuel. However, remember that the divert decision is dependent on the closest appropriate airport. So, even though the aircraft may seem to have a significant amount of duration fuel left, safely diverting may require consuming most of those margins.
@qingnanduan8180
@qingnanduan8180 7 месяцев назад
We got little gas. We don't have a whole lot of time.
@pawepluta4883
@pawepluta4883 7 месяцев назад
I understand losing an engine is unpleasant, but the pilot seems so nervous as if he took the airplane without his father knowing.
@AzureAlliance31
@AzureAlliance31 7 месяцев назад
The cabin & cockpit filled with smoke very quickly after the bird strike
@pawepluta4883
@pawepluta4883 7 месяцев назад
@@AzureAlliance31 Ah, that would explain.
@NICU_Guy
@NICU_Guy 7 месяцев назад
@@pawepluta4883 You can hear when the pilot was talking that he had the oxygen mask on.
@Yamato-tp2kf
@Yamato-tp2kf 7 месяцев назад
Yeah and losing visibility with the smoke in the cabin can make anyone nervous
@ralphfrangioni7333
@ralphfrangioni7333 7 месяцев назад
What kind of damage? B I G
@Ficon
@Ficon 7 месяцев назад
Smoke in the cockpit? The pilots have oxygen masks on. Spirit Wings using non-standard phraseology for fuel status.
@cottagechskitty
@cottagechskitty 7 месяцев назад
That had to be a hell of a direct hit. That is not a small aircraft
@jonathanbott87
@jonathanbott87 7 месяцев назад
And likely a medium to large - wondering if they hit a heron / pelican or such from the swamp
@la_old_salt2241
@la_old_salt2241 7 месяцев назад
There are bald eagles nesting in the approach/departure.
@redbassist5590
@redbassist5590 6 месяцев назад
Did the aircraft depressurize? It sounds like the flight crew put on their oxygen masks.
@benjigans1419
@benjigans1419 7 месяцев назад
Spirit: “From the flight deck we’re having to give way to emergency aircraft inbound as directed by radar control, unfortunately that’s going to be a $30 fee to be paid by all passengers.” 😂
@malcolm20091000
@malcolm20091000 7 месяцев назад
But the headphones are still free.
@jerseyshoredroneservices225
@jerseyshoredroneservices225 7 месяцев назад
Am I the only one who thought that Southwest 554 sounded like they were talking with masks on?
@VASAviation
@VASAviation 7 месяцев назад
Because they were
@jerseyshoredroneservices225
@jerseyshoredroneservices225 7 месяцев назад
@@VASAviation Well that explains it... Did the plane depressurize? Was the windshield broken by the birds? So many more questions now...
@MrBurndonesinkchair
@MrBurndonesinkchair 7 месяцев назад
Probably just procedure/checklist. Their altitude didn’t need cabin pressurization.
@VASAviation
@VASAviation 7 месяцев назад
It was probably due to to smoke or fumes coming into the cockpit and cabin through the failed engine
@jerseyshoredroneservices225
@jerseyshoredroneservices225 7 месяцев назад
@@VASAviation That would make sense 👍
@scottadair4962
@scottadair4962 7 месяцев назад
Lost the engine? Like Foster Brooks said, “Don’t worry, it’ll turn up.”
@clickster1883
@clickster1883 7 месяцев назад
Understand the idea of getting as many planes waiting to go cleared for takeoff before the inbound emergency aircraft arrives, but I wonder if those launching when the emergency's on a 5.5 mile final create a wake turbulence that would be no problem for a plane landing w two good engines, but could be problematic for one landing w just one. Any transport pilots care to weigh in? Thanks.
@VASAviation
@VASAviation 7 месяцев назад
An aircraft only creates wake turbulence when it's airborne (creating lift), and by the point an aircraft gets airborne, the landing aircraft should be landed already so no, wake turbulence wouldn't be a problem.
@rubenvillanueva8635
@rubenvillanueva8635 7 месяцев назад
@@VASAviationMuy bien, Victor
@clickster1883
@clickster1883 7 месяцев назад
@@VASAviation Understood. Instead of wake turbulence, I should have said jet wash fm the departing aircrafts' engines. Might that interfere (to some degree) w the landing aircraft's handling?
@VASAviation
@VASAviation 7 месяцев назад
@@clickster1883 no, I don't think so. In fact we line up on the runway right away after the precedent departure has started the roll with full thrust. Of course, don't do that in a Cessna 150 but is not an issue from airline to airline.
@clickster1883
@clickster1883 7 месяцев назад
@@VASAviation I didn't *think* it'd be an issue (after all, the controller cleared two aircraft for take off while the emergency was on final), but thought I'd ask.
@austriamax
@austriamax 7 месяцев назад
to all the US pilots out there, question from an EU pilot: Why is it, that US maydays barely use the "mayday mayday mayday...." phrase? Ofc, actual maydays are stressful and might lead to not complying to standards 100%, but I am rly curious what a typical textbook simulator session looks like at major US carriers declaring an emergency. Don´t get me wrong, this is not meant to be judging of finger pointing at all, I'd just really love to know. Almost any european airline SOP I know uses the typical 3x mayday call followed by nature of emergency and intention. From my point of view, this makes it so much easier for all parties involved to get a clear picture of what's going on instead of "I'd like to declare an emergency" or "Emergency aircraft" or whatsover often used in the US. This often sounds chaotic and confusing compared to european examples. Thanks :)
@cullery07
@cullery07 7 месяцев назад
Mayday mayday mayday means I’m declaring an emergency. How about you just say I’m declaring an emergency. Why say something else that means what you want to say.
@davidgraham7932
@davidgraham7932 7 месяцев назад
Ludicrous that it isnt standard worldwide requirement to say "Mayday mayday mayday" as part of an emergency declaration. It's very clear and stops controllers from mishearing and asking pilots to repeat.
@TB-um1xz
@TB-um1xz 7 месяцев назад
You seem to complain a lot.
@davidgraham7932
@davidgraham7932 7 месяцев назад
@@TB-um1xz There's a lot to complain about.
@RoyalMela
@RoyalMela 7 месяцев назад
There are several levels of emergencies. Mayday is only for absolute worst case scenario where lifes are in immediate danger. Pan-pan-pan is for emergencies, but where lifes are in no danger, and plane does not have to land immediately. Pan = Possible assistance needed. Emergency, even though not an official distress call, is where landing is needed and priority is given, but once again not lifethreatning.
@davidgraham7932
@davidgraham7932 7 месяцев назад
@@RoyalMela This is completely incorrect. "Declaring an emergency" and "Mayday mayday mayday" are the same thing. This is an emergency situation. Mayday would have been clearer.
@k1mgy
@k1mgy 7 месяцев назад
I would think "Emergency" stated clearly might get some attention. ICAO standards are fine, but in the stress of the moment, I do not fault the crew one bit.
@lastdance2099
@lastdance2099 7 месяцев назад
Sounds like they donned their masks, perhaps they got a fire indication from the damaged engine as well.
@VASAviation
@VASAviation 7 месяцев назад
Probably fumes or smoke into the environmental system from broken oil or hydraulic lines.
@froggymicb
@froggymicb 7 месяцев назад
Or just vibrations from damaged engine
@cacanovotny
@cacanovotny 7 месяцев назад
The typical US style of refusing to use the standard terminology of either mayday or panpan call amazes me.
@jonathanfriedel
@jonathanfriedel 7 месяцев назад
This is one time I would have used mayday. After ATC missed the first message and asked for a repeat, and with how concerned the piolets were, I would have said, MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY, COMING IN HOT, CLEAR EVERYTHING ROLL EVERYTHING. If ATC pestered me further I would have stop responding to them.
@PasleyAviationPhotography
@PasleyAviationPhotography 7 месяцев назад
Let's hear how you react when put under the stress of losing an engine, on takeoff, from a bird strike not knowing the extent of the damage. I'm sure it's easy for you to generalize this to all American pilots while typing on the shitter.
@travist7777
@travist7777 7 месяцев назад
​@@jonathanfriedel He would have said, "Say, again?" anyway...
@MoogieSRO
@MoogieSRO 7 месяцев назад
@@PasleyAviationPhotography I would expect trained pilots to have *slightly* higher standards than your average RU-vid commenter.
@buckfaststradler4629
@buckfaststradler4629 7 месяцев назад
@@sncy5303 Must be great to have such a big opinion of yourself - let's hope it's justified in reality.
@cageordie
@cageordie 7 месяцев назад
Do you delete comments made before yours? Anyway, as I said, especially for the bird. I guess they had oxygen masks on. Maybe fumes from the dead engine.
@VASAviation
@VASAviation 7 месяцев назад
Negative, why would I do that? I don't comment "first" in my own videos.
@soccerguy2433
@soccerguy2433 7 месяцев назад
there's a lot of automatic moderation.
@cce5940
@cce5940 7 месяцев назад
RU-vid glitches prob
@cageordie
@cageordie 7 месяцев назад
@@VASAviation I think it's just an evil Google thing. No, you wouldn't, you'd have no reason. Just something on their servers not working right.
@North_West1
@North_West1 7 месяцев назад
The pilots showed like they were on oxygen masks. Any insight?
@VASAviation
@VASAviation 7 месяцев назад
They were on oxygen masks
@sarahalbers5555
@sarahalbers5555 7 месяцев назад
OMG, i read this so fast, at first I thought I read,"blondes severely damaged on take off".
@denissmith3473
@denissmith3473 7 месяцев назад
Were there casualties? If not, "catastrophic" is a bit misleading
@jaredjones6292
@jaredjones6292 7 месяцев назад
I think this transcript is missing the first transmission between the emergency aircraft and the tower. That would explain why he was calling himself the "emergency aircraft" instead of declaring some kind of emergency. At 1:38 we hear the tower telling another pilot that the emergency involved an aircraft that had a bird strike. But we don't hear the emergency PIC ever say anything about a bird strike until after that transmission.
@VASAviation
@VASAviation 7 месяцев назад
Nothing prior to the first clip you hear here
@paulnicholasadams
@paulnicholasadams 7 месяцев назад
Amazing that the spirit pilot gives that total vague 'little gas' comment when he has just been told there is an emergency aircraft and also doesn't say back his call sign. Way to potentially confuse things
@mju135
@mju135 7 месяцев назад
Blows my mind he's letting aircraft take off in front of an inbound emergency. What if there's an aborted takeoff disabled on runway? Completely unnecessary risk.
@k1mgy
@k1mgy 7 месяцев назад
This should not be all that difficult. Although it sounds so dramatic, there are a number of blunders here that wasted precious air time and, worse, added risk. Hearing this just adds to my flying anxiety. Point: Controllers should be risk-averse and very conservative when assisting and coordinating an emergency aircraft. There should be communications standards and SOP's that everyone follows. This example makes clear that training is poor/unfocused, and that apparently there are no standards. For those who question the critique, consider the basic rules which are as follows: 1. Maintain a strict listening watch 2. Emergency aircraft have absolute priority 3. All communication must be brief, clear, and unambiguous 4. Maintain situational awareness at all times 5. Avoid unnecessary communications 6. Be risk-averse If training fails to include these, I suggest the FAA listen up. Note: I am assuming the sequence provided by VAS from LiveATC is time-synchronized. 00:24: "Southwest 554.. er.. say again?" Failed Rule: Maintain a strict listening watch What is unclear about "Emergency aircraft... we need to return" A distracted controller is unacceptable. 00:30: "We're returning" Controller has no idea as to condition of aircraft or situation. Rather than clearing other traffic, controller gives vectors. Failed Rule: Emergency aircraft has absolute priority. At the most, say, "All aircraft stand by. Southwest 554, State intentions". 01:17 + ".. we got an emergency inbound" (unnecessary to state) Failed Rule: Keep transmissions brief. No channel-blocking chatter. (Note that the emergency aircraft made brief transmission during this exchange, but could not be heard). 02:06: "Do you need emergency vehicles?" Failed Rule: Maintain situational awareness. How can controller be unaware after other aircraft report that the emergency aircraft has smoke showing from an engine (reported at 00:44)? 02:49: "We have emergency vehicles waiting for you on the ground" (where else.. in the air?) Failed Rule: Avoid unnecessary communications. Crew requested "everything you have". Reply is unnecessary after initial read back (which did not happen). Just do it. 04:09: "Are you ready for a base turn?" (second request. Apparently first answer was insufficient?) Failed Rule: Avoid unnecessary communications. Continue to clear the air and airspace and wait for crew to advise their intentions. 04:45: At least approach has been advised (indicating some coordination). A plus. 06:58: Tower controller clears flight to depart the same runway as the inbound emergency Failed Rule: Emergency aircraft has absolute priority No rolling of the dice. No gambling with lives. Should the outbound aircraft abort on the runway, what then? 07:07 + : Failed Rule: Emergency aircraft has absolute priority Failed Rule: Avoid unnecessary communications. Tower controller continues to coordinate departures. Ground stop is absolutely required as is radio silence.
@lgh081960
@lgh081960 7 месяцев назад
@k1mgy I agree with your position. US regulated airspace should start mandating the use of "Pan-Pan-Pan" or "Mayday-Mayday-Mayday" because there is way too much ATC-->Flight Crew communications that sound like: "So... are you thinking about declaring an emergency or would you like us to do that for you." In this particular case, engine failure + smoke in the cabin= Mayday. Military orders are not usually followed by "Please". The simple reason is: "A bullet travels pretty fast".
@Flies2FLL
@Flies2FLL 7 месяцев назад
Good lord don't let airline catering know about the dead bird!
@kinghans6266
@kinghans6266 7 месяцев назад
Free Goose for X-Mas!
@The2T
@The2T 7 месяцев назад
Single engine, and he's sending a departure inside a 10 mile final? Like come on, I know it's not super wake turbulence, but gosh, that's not cool.
@gemeen_aapje
@gemeen_aapje 7 месяцев назад
Why can't Americans just say MAYDAY???
@sb859
@sb859 7 месяцев назад
For many years the airlines were trained to say "Emergency aircraft" but that is being replaced with the standard Mayday call now.
@VASAviation
@VASAviation 7 месяцев назад
Is MAYDAY already considered Standard Phraseo for FAA?
@demi3115
@demi3115 7 месяцев назад
because it's French and Muricans don't like to learn other languages. (/s just in case)
@RoyalMela
@RoyalMela 7 месяцев назад
Because mayday is only for events where lifes are in immediate danger. Fire on board, fuel starvation etc. This is not the case here. Plane can fly and no lifes are threatened.
@gemeen_aapje
@gemeen_aapje 7 месяцев назад
@@RoyalMela that's what PAN PAN is for. Non-life threatening emergencies. As a European pilot I just assumed this was international. Also, an engine on fire after bird strike is absolutely a life threatening emergency - it's correct to use MAYDAY for that.
@OfficialSamuelC
@OfficialSamuelC 7 месяцев назад
Why aren’t the US airlines trained to teach their pilot to formally declare the severity of their emergency from the off? Unless it was cut off in this video. Doing so later is great but it should be immediate. Emergency doesn’t let the ATC know if it’s an urgent get on the ground, give full priority emergency (MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY) or an emergency that’s manageable and would like some priority if needed (PANPAN PANPAN PANPAN). I rarely see European pilots failing to state from the off the severity of their emergency using the correct terminology. ATC can’t be faulted if they don’t give you the correct priority or response if you don’t declare the nature of your emergency, the same if they give you more urgency and priority than you feel necessary (such as PANPAN) where pilots later say they don’t need the utmost priority or emergency services awaiting). ATC are likely always going to take the safe approach and assume every emergency declaration is MAYDAY unless you specify otherwise. It’s also down to them to decide if emergency services are needed or not and many airports tell ATC to stage them for any type of emergency because it’s also the closest to real incident practice for the ARFF teams they can get, and who appreciate it. I feel it should be drilled in US pilots that in any emergency, state MAYDAY or PANPAN if you are in any emergency or are telling the ATC you have an emergency. Telling them you have had lost an engine has been handled differently by different airlines and pilots and it doesn’t always mean they want to immediately come around and get down. Especially with 747’s whom have 3 engines left. Some pilots have continued on after an engine failure. Some declare MAYDAY and some declare PANPAN for the same emergencies. Neither is wrong, it’s down to the pilots to assess their situation and environment at the time, and personal preference and decide what to do. But my god at least tell ATC from the first declaration what that is, not minutes later. Or at least state we are not declaring any form of emergency at the moment but do have an issue with x we are working on. Let ATC have some idea so they can plan ahead in case, it also saves time down the line of the ATC trying to figure out the severity of the emergency and what response you require. Aviation comes first. But if you are already calling radar or tower and declaring an emergency, you are also capable of deciding MAYDAY or PANPAN and saying it in the same sentence and doesn’t take any more effort than just saying you have an emergency. And remember you can always upgrade or downgrade the severity of the emergency at any time! Knowing that so many pilots avoid formally declaring an emergency with the correct terminology or requesting ARFF because of the extra paperwork is truly wrong. I feel this is a case where pilots should be reprimanded for failing to declare the appropriate nature of emergency so that they feel it’s better to request services just in case (for specific issues) than not to. ARFF can stage, and literally the moment you’re down and realise everything is all good, you can stand them down and they’ll return back to base, or may have one unit follow you in just in case. It’s not an inconvenience to anyone and the short delay at the airport is much better than something going very wrong and then that 1-2 minute delay of ARFF’s being called, getting in and responding far worse than if they’d been staged and not needed. They could put out a fire before it takes hold and reduce the amount of time that runway or airport is closed, as opposed to not staging and a fire occurring and taking hold because they weren’t staged despite being a chance of an issue. This is also why as I mentioned, many airports will decide to stage them against pilots wishes if you have declared an emergency or any kind, it’s practice and they’re there just in case. It’s partially selfish on the airports part, it’s to ensure the safety of those on the airplane in case something does go wrong, but it’s also a way to immediately address any emergency that could further delay the airport/runway reopening (eg fire) and cost them money. I think engine failures, fires (extinguished or not), burst tyre, flap issues (over speed landing), overweight landing etc should have ARFF staged just in case, as each have a case of some kind where an airplane has gone off or overrun a runway, crashing or led to fires starting. A single engine failure on a two engine aircraft has a higher chance of an issue, despite being slim still, but not a risk worth taking. On a 747 I don’t necessarily think ARFF need to always be staged unless pilots request it because they have 1 engine more than required for normal flight and shouldn’t be an issue at all, unless overweight (but as I said all overweight landings should have ARFF). ARFF are always there, always present and if you’ve ever spoke to them, always happy to stage for something that likely is nothing and requires no intervention from them. It’s excellent practice. It’s great when you hear pilots who have declared PANPAN or even no emergency but have some issues saying they’d like ARFF and acknowledge it can also give them some practice. Also airlines are NOT charged for ARFF being rolled out and staged if nothing is then required of them. Airlines are only charged for services if they need to intervene and take action. Therefore there is nil to very little financial cost to the airline for pilots requesting to stage the ARFF and that’s for a good reason (to not deter pilots from doing so, or to prevent airlines from deterring pilots not to for financial reasons). Therefore there’s no harm to request them and not need them than not request them but later need them. Minutes save lives.
@angelinasouren
@angelinasouren 7 месяцев назад
Because... communication with atc comes at the end of their list of priorities. Why? Figure it out. If an armchair expert who took one flying lesson over 40 years ago and read lots of aviation magazines in those days can figure out why communicating the exact nature of the emergency to atc is the least of their concerns, so can you. And atc for sure knew that.
@angelinasouren
@angelinasouren 7 месяцев назад
Also it could be yes that he was just handed over from another controller and had already declared. I initially was sure that he was handed over, but I would want to listen to the start of the communication again to see what exactly he said. It would make sense to say merely that he was the emergency aircraft. Wait a minute. ATC knew they had had a bird strike but I don't think that the pilot mentioned it. So how did ATC know? Right...
@warden330
@warden330 7 месяцев назад
It would also help to initially call PAN-PAN or MAYDAY-MAYDAY followed the callsign because it would immediately alert ATC and all on frequency. Then wait for the response before giving further information (if not otherwise distracted). Although the pilot here did declare an emergency, commencing with the callsign made it sound like a routine call and ATC missed the content. PAN-PAN and MAYDAY are intentionally distinct and attract immediate attention.
@buckhorncortez
@buckhorncortez 7 месяцев назад
@@warden330 Your job from now on is to make the FAA require pilots to do exactly what you think they should do. Now, if they don't do that - it's your fault...
@A.J.1656
@A.J.1656 7 месяцев назад
I know complaining about American pilots is a popular trope in the comments section of youtube videos, but when you actually think about it, it makes no sense. For one thing, most European pilots and controllers speak English as a second language. The need to use a word to indicate that there is something special to what you are about say holds greater weight when that is the case. What the airlines teach us in the USA is that we prioritize communicating what we need and what we are doing. In this case the pilots tell the controller that they need to make an immediate return to the field and state that they have an emergency. Sorry if you wanted a dramatic "MAYDAY!" followed by a detailed explanation of the problem. To expect that they had all the details of the emergency prior to communicating what they need to do is silly. Engine failures are not always an immediate event, but we train to react to "severe damage" and no controller or pilot has use for detailed reports on the N1/N2 fan rotation speeds, ITT, oil pressure etc. etc. This isn't movies things aren't exactly how you might imagine. They did exactly what they are trained to do. React to the emergency, tell ATC what you are doing and what you need. All this can occur before you even have a full understanding of the extent of the damage.
@shanemooon
@shanemooon 7 месяцев назад
I feel like this controller is talking too much. He is quite nice. But his transmissions are taking up a lot of time. Lots of chance to get stepped on.
@saxmanb777
@saxmanb777 7 месяцев назад
I don’t know what a plane even is, but I’m here to offer my expert advice to critique the controllers and pilots.
@Gringomania
@Gringomania 7 месяцев назад
0:20 Question: why does the TWR ask for 'say again'? I heard this so often, when pilots call out an emergency. Is this business as usual? Wasn't 'Emergency' clear enough? Doesn' t he believe the Pilot? Is he deaf? 🙃 Or why this question and wasting time? Greetings from Germany
@soccerguy2433
@soccerguy2433 7 месяцев назад
was tower on the phone with departure or the FBO or someone else coordinating? Was he talking with another person in the tower? Would you rather tower take action on unclear communication? You've never misheard someone in conversation? You've never asked anyone to repeat themselves? Furthermore, what we hear is not what the controller hears. These are external antennas listening on the frequency. As such it may have better reception than that of tower.
@sb859
@sb859 7 месяцев назад
Expectation bias. All day long he says "Switch to departure" and the jets will say the same thing, "OK, switching to departure." When the emergency aircraft says something that doesn't match the expected radio call (expectation bias), he wants to be sure he heard it correctly, so he says "Say again."
@Gringomania
@Gringomania 7 месяцев назад
Pls be more defensive with your answer. I am a not a pro. For me it seems that everytime a pilot call an EM, the controller always say 'say again'. I thought, a controller has to pay attention to the radar every second.
@omgsrsly
@omgsrsly 7 месяцев назад
@@Gringomania I was thinking the exact same thing. It's like when ordering a single menu at a drive-thru in one short, clear, precise and unambiguous sentence and they still ask you to repeat everything you just said.
@sb859
@sb859 7 месяцев назад
Haha, I'll be sure to pass along your critique. I bet they can't wait to learn from someone as proficient in catastrophic engine explosions and smoke in the cockpit as you are!@@sncy5303
@whiteandnerdytuba
@whiteandnerdytuba 6 месяцев назад
Words like catastrophic actually have a meaning, google it next time.
@gogoasaa9606
@gogoasaa9606 7 месяцев назад
The American atc system is completely down
@TB-um1xz
@TB-um1xz 7 месяцев назад
Are you sure? It looks like planes are flying today.
@gogoasaa9606
@gogoasaa9606 7 месяцев назад
Yeah, until something bad happens @@TB-um1xz
@saxmanb777
@saxmanb777 7 месяцев назад
What? There’s been no shut down lately.
@tlantis
@tlantis 7 месяцев назад
Suggesting 6646 could depart as a second take-off ahead of a mayday on 5.5 mile final was bad enough, given risk of FOD on runway and potential to block the landing. But telling him to “go to the end and wait up there”?! Ffs, that’s SUCH sloppy language. Far too similar to ICAO “line up and wait”. This ATC must love Swiss cheese, smh.
@frankgallagher5786
@frankgallagher5786 7 месяцев назад
agree. glad they landed ok but wtf with the comms. always the same in the US. Talkin too fast and and basically communicating poorly. and always the same back and forth with souls and board and fuel remaining. No one ever gets it done without 5X say again other other crap.
@angelinasouren
@angelinasouren 7 месяцев назад
Yes, I also thought that those instructions were far too vague, but I also thought that he was being damn efficient and as smooth as butter. I suspect that he was dealing with a few pilots he was used to dealing with there, on the two planes who went via A and possibly on this one too. The way he handled that Spirit Wings comment about being low on gas was also remarkable. Letting two flights still take off from the same runway was a little risky but I don't know the local layout - do you - and he gave off the impression that he knew exactly what he was doing. Did you notice how well the pilots responded to him? I may be wrong but these people sounded like they like him because they have dealt with him many times before and appreciate his skills. Also, plane types, conditions and loads. Maybe they took off on one end. You've made me curious, though, so I just downloaded the map. 😊 Maybe ATC will be kind enough to let us know.
@tlantis
@tlantis 7 месяцев назад
@@angelinasouren that’s fair comment. I was actually really impressed with the airspace management throughout, but then to get so casual at the point where the stakes got highest was 😬😬😬
@NREAL01
@NREAL01 7 месяцев назад
I'd pay 10 million US just to see Magnus VS Hikaru chess boxing..... 😅
@Flies2FLL
@Flies2FLL 7 месяцев назад
Why did SWA put on the oxygen masks? Cooked goose probably doesn't smell nice but the mask might be taking it a bit far....
@kuebbisch
@kuebbisch 7 месяцев назад
With the smoke coming from the engine it is possible that the smoke was also pumped into the aircraft through the air conditioning. Better safe than incapacitated by smoke inhalation.
@MoogieSRO
@MoogieSRO 7 месяцев назад
The engine was smoking heavily. I don't know a lot about this stuff but possibly the smoke was getting into the cabin?
@spelldaddy5386
@spelldaddy5386 7 месяцев назад
It's possible there were other fumes, for example if the strike ruptured fuel or oil lines, bringing smoke onboard. Obviously we have to wait for a report for any of that info, but there could be other reasons
@Flies2FLL
@Flies2FLL 7 месяцев назад
@@kuebbisch Possible. But in that case I would have told ATC about it.
@herkloader34
@herkloader34 7 месяцев назад
They put the masks on because it's proper procedure and a memory item due to smoke in the aircraft.
@vicariousaviator9742
@vicariousaviator9742 7 месяцев назад
Mayday Mayday Mayday Southwest 554, engine failure, we need to return to the airport. That's the first thing they should have said. Yanks need to sort out their emergency procedures 🤬
@jaredjones6292
@jaredjones6292 7 месяцев назад
I may be mistaken, but I have the feeling that the PIC had already declared some kind of emergency before the recording we are listening too. He was saying "emergency aircraft" as if he had already spoken to ATC. Then later we hear the ATC tell another aircraft that the emergency was due to a bird strike. No where in the recording we listened to do the PIC say anything about the bird strike prior to that.
@VASAviation
@VASAviation 7 месяцев назад
@@jaredjones6292 that was all the audio that was recorded and I doubt there was anything prior to this audio. At least keying the mic.
@jaredjones6292
@jaredjones6292 7 месяцев назад
@@VASAviation that could be, but that makes me wonder how the tower already knew about it being a bird strike at 1:38 before the Emergency PIC even mentioned it.
@vicariousaviator9742
@vicariousaviator9742 7 месяцев назад
@@jaredjones6292 Yeah American pilots say stuff like that without actually unequivocally make clear that they have an emergency situation and require priority handling. Use Mayday or Pan and everyone sits bolt upright and pays attention.
@cullery07
@cullery07 7 месяцев назад
Ya emergency aircraft we’re returning is more concise and to the point
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