*I want to give Kudos to those pilots and enroute controllers who work together to improve the safety and comfort during cruise.* When we fly as passengers we don't realize how much work pilots do in the cockpit. See how awesome the coordination is here where pilots transmit their turbulence conditions so that other flights can avoid it. Great job!
Nice video, but I sometimes get picky, so here are some things I picked up (besides some "go ahead"s and such you probably didn't bother with) 3:30 is it here in 360 - regarding the turbulence? 3:38 let me call (out?), one second 4:22 ...it smoothed out for us... 4:52 ...about the time everybody started complaining is when it started for us {just extending the ellipsis you had} 5:39 ...we need some more information from you
Thank you for your sharing. It is really clearly understanding what happened in there. The mostly injured passangers were not safe belt fastened or not tightened as well. Thanks god, cabin attendants were safe except two of them.....fasten your seatbelts during all flight!...it is serious!
Joe Smith - of course! One appreciative Turkish pilot *must* mean the rest of the population aren’t usually cooperative! * “Today’s lessons on logical fallacy, specifically: *hasty generalisation* and Racism 101 was brought to you by Mr Joe Smith”
For those wondering why pilots are so hesitant to say 'severe turbulence' is because if you declare severe turbulence that triggers a few things, to start you have to do a lot of paperwork, the airplane has to go to maintenance to check everything. It is like declaring may day, if you have to do it you do it, but it isn't something you really want to do.
Walter Sobchak being insulting and using fowl language is just not necessary. If your proud of that and it makes you feel superior then more power to you.
@@brad_Ca His first comment makes no sense. It's obviously way out of proportion compared to the message he's replying to. Obvious troll is obvious, just don't bother man.
I love how "severe turbulence" is like this enigma that pilots are super apprehensive to speak of. "You had severe turbulence?" "Ehh, more like more than moderate." *screaming and glasses breaking in the background*
I used to think that as well! I learned in school recently that when you use the term "severe" it means you've lost total control of the aircraft. So even when they use "moderate", for those in the cabin, that is severe.
I’m often in awe of bi or tri-lingual pilots, controllers etc. To be able to communicate clearly, sometimes under enormous pressure over a long period of time, in a second language really takes hard work and skill. Hats off to them.
While you're certainly right, Ash, here in Europe it's nothing out of the ordinary. We usually have English lessons from primary or at least the start of secondary school onwards, plus oftentimes a second foreign language later on. And with the advent of the internet, where speaking English is kinda the norm, a LOT of people speak it at least moderately well here, even if it isn't their native language. Even moreso in e.g. Scandinavia, where most movies are not dubbed, so if you want to enjoy them, you learn the language early on.
@Blair Group I speak 4 languages... so I get what you are saying. HOWEVER, if you actually listen (e.g., atc.net) to what passes as Engrish from Chinese pilots, you'd be appalled.
mgoblue0970 China used Mandarin for ATC until 2015 when they switched to English - you’re coming off slightly racist there. I don’t want to be rude or anything, but there’s a reason that isn’t explained by racism or assumptions!
@@zackaplowitz You don't know what the definition of racist is. Again, go to any ATC video on youtube and listen to a Chinese airline. The standard is English is the international language of aviation. If someone cannot meet the standard, that's not racism. Moreover, someone identifying a Chinese pilot speaking gibberish isn't racist, it's a safety hazard.
And its not even a latin language. Like when I spek german and than try to switch to turkish its kinda harder than switching to english even though I learned english in school and not at home.
I loved the way of Turkish Airline’s pilot saying “Thank you for your cooperation” in most of his communication. Such a nice pilot with good piloting skills. Well done.
I love this comment! 🥰 If you've ever worked frontline customer service, you've encountered a lot of people who make THEIR bad day YOUR problem.... whether they're a customer or a colleague!! 🤦🏻♀️ This pilot had a bad work day but was nothing but courteous to everyone, while still communicating clearly. Big props!
Impressed with the Turkish pilot. He managed to be in command, professional, and polite, all at the same time. There is a lesson to be learned there. So many times inflated egos get in the way of civility in these cases.
That's why you should keep your seatbelt closed during the entire flight and not have any luggage out of the compartments that might injure you when it flies around.
I personally do at all times when I'm seated. Not only turbulence but also decompression. Watch this --> ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-cnSizWZVyD4.html
VASAviation - Exactly. I wear my seatbelt except for when I’m going to the toilet and even then I try to ensure there’s not any turbulence when I do. I always tell this to my fiancée and family. We flew in June, 8 of us and my younger sisters 2 year old, and had to tell them all, there are literally zero reasons to be sat in your seat without the seatbelt on, so put it on. It can go from smooth to head hitting the ceiling quicker than it’ll take you to realise the severe turbulence and put your seatbelt on. Just like when in a car and waiting on the side of a road for whatever reason, I always keep my seatbelt on and tell whoever is in the car to keep them on. If you’re on the side of a main road, and don’t have to get out and are waiting for someone or something, again there’s no reason to take your seatbelt off. Cars can still hit you, even if you’re stationary and on the side of the road.
I loosen it just a bit to be more comfy, but it's always on (except when going to bed the toilet or stretching my legs). Once I had pretty good turbulence when standing and doing the guy business on the toilet. That was, interesting! (and I didn't miss One Drop! =)
yeah right, tell this to the sheep because they won`t listen anyway. It enters one ear, and goes out of the other... I don`t understand too people who open their seatbelts after reaching cruising altitude... They might think that those clouds are actually pink fluffy clouds from cartoons, lol.
@@btezgel I watched a guy on a BA flight take his belt off as soon as the cabin crew checked before takeoff. I just sort of gave him a look and he had some crap to say. Anyway about 3 hours into the flight we had the light come on and hit turbulence. The first bit was a little frisky and then it calmed down but they left the light on. Then out of nowhere it was insane and the worse I've been in and I'm a pilot. Needless to say when the guys head bounced off of the overhead bin I let out a laugh. But I shouldn't have because he was seriously hurt and while not paralyzed I heard he broke his neck. We had to divert to Iceland where he was taken off of the plane on a stretcher.
@@southjerseysound7340 just this weekend i had a guy stand up after landing before the plane was stopped. the plane had to do an emergency braking. the dude fell of course, same story. most people don't believe the seat belts are necessary or that these things happen. ive also had a single time were turbulence were so harsh you'd take off your seat and get shaken around the plane. wasn't a fun one and i'd rather not have this again. nobody was hurt in my case (the turbulence built up slowly to the "omg that's really shaking now" so everyone actually must have put their seat belt on that time - including all crew)
When a pilot says that turbulence is severe then it is really really bad for passengers. In pilot’s language, even moderate turbulence is bad for nervous flyer
Yep, "severe" means "large, abrupt changes in altitude and/or attitude - aircraft momentarily out of control". The only step worse is "extreme", which means "aircraft violently tossed about, practically out of control, structural damage possible". Even "moderate" isn't nice, that means "changes in altitude and/or attitude, but aircraft remains in positive control" - the effect on the cabin is described as "unsecured objects dislodged, food service and walking difficult"
@@QemeH Yeah, moderate is when you feel like you're falling several metres at a time, anything on your tray table wants to fling itself off, and you can look out the window and see the wingtips waggling what seems like it surely must be an unhealthy amount.
I was in that flight as a passenger and it was terrifying as hell. It was like a movie scene and we thought plane was falling down for a really short while. Some passengers and flight attendants hit to ceiling of the plane and then hit back to floor really hard. As someone who doesn't have flight phobia before, I could say I have one now. Thanks for everyone who makes us landed safely. The lessons learned for me as a passenger, keep your belts fastened and do not loose them. Cause you could still hit your head top of the plane with loose belt during a severe turbulence. (By the way it was 10 hours flight.)
@@Aditya-wg3lp thanks for answer and the joke :) Im glad you are not the one who experienced it. In 10 hours flight it is hard to sit all the time, sometimes you need to use restroom. And i didn't know that before that our belts should be really tight and any looseness could cause you hitting your head top in severe turbulence as my friend did. And it was still scary cause close to 20-30 people injured and one flight attendant broke her leg in front of our eyes. I could understand your point about turbulences, they are not dangerous for flights and it doesnt mean that plane will fall but still it was scary. Take care too
Thank you for the added info! I couldn't figure out how so many got injured; I hadn't known that level of turbulence was possible! I'm glad you got put safe.
Though I realize it was no consolation at the time, this might be of some consolation now: you were never in danger of dying. The plane itself is designed to tolerate far more turbulence than a layperson could possibly imagine (or tolerate, being shaken like a penny in a washing machine). The wings can flex and twist many feet in either direction without breaking off. It's not GOOD for the plane, but it can certainly take it and has been tested to do so before it was allowed to carry passengers. Consider the airplanes that the hurricane hunters use - they literally fly through the eyewall of hurricanes dozens of times a day. The reason they were hesitant to call it "severe" turbulence is because what passengers would consider the nightmare of a lifetime (as you describe) is actually usually only "moderate". Again, this goes to the ruggedness of the designs. "Severe" means the pilot is afraid the g-stresses are exceeding the airframe limits, which is a VERY rare level of turbulence, so bad that the pilot can't even read the instruments or operate the controls. "Greater than moderate" is the artful term the pilots use here.
Sorry you went through that. The plane might have fallen many feet, but being that high doesn’t make those falls a threat. Hope your phobia doesn’t stick. It’s no fun going through though. A pilot
That's a tricky area. I'm a former flight attendant and remember encountering a lot of nasty turbulence in the Boston-Newfoundland corridor during the winter. Oftentimes it comes out of nowhere, like you're flying along perfectly fine and then all hell breaks loose. I'm glad they landed safely.
At school we went to New York from UK, and hit turbulence just as you described that came out of nowhere and lifted you off your feet a bit. Absolutely not fun when it hits as you're mid piss 0/10
When a pilot says "Moderate turbulence" usually for passengers it feels like they're going to die. When a pilot says "Severe turbulence" after the fact, it means all the occupants of the cabin were shaken like balls bearing in a spray paint can. Unbelievable what that front plane endured.
I remember this incident for a couple of reasons: 1. We were departing JFK for Madrid when the Turkish aircraft reported the turbulence. We received a message from dispatch about the turbulence just north of us along our route of flight. I, as the PIC, elected to stay at a much lower altitude and deviate to the east of the turbulence area. We successfully avoided all turbulence and soon rejoined our planned route and filed altitude for the trip. All was well after that... 2. Several days later I was called by the chief pilot's office and asked to file a report of why I put our flight attendants and passengers in jeopardy by traversing a known severe turbulence area. A couple of the flight attendants on board the flight heard about the turbulence after the fact (eight hours or more) and became incensed that I endangered their lives. This incident is a good example of how little authority the pilots in command of airliner aircraft do actually have anymore. No one who was questioning my actions - ex-post-facto - had any idea of what was really going on at the time and what the real-time conditions were. Pilots: Never, under any circumstances, trust your flight attendants with your careers. Do not tell them anything that cannot be upheld legally in court. In deference to the chief pilot's office, once they heard my explanation they dismissed the whole affair immediately.
@@Adirondaque they don’t understand the factors related to flight like pilots do. They hear any thing that is danger in the sky and think that it could affect the plane. This pilot obviously planned a way to avoid it with known levels and intensity’s. Flight attendants aren’t decision makers and their input should not be relied on when flying. It’s not a democracy in a plane. The PIC and SIC are the people who make decisions about the flight.
ATC did a great job of checking in on the other aircraft so they were aware of the turbulence issues. By doing so the ATC likely prevented similar events on some of the other aircraft.
What a situation to be in, and hearing so many Turkish Airlines pilots on frequency when I was flying in Europe, always appreciated their command of English. Good job, guys...
When my father was still working as a medical doctor, he travelled to the USA a couple of time to visit international medical specialists' meetings. During one such flight, a medical emergency occurred. The Captain requested if there was a doctor onboard. My father got up and went to the aisle where the injured person would be. There he met three senior medical specialists who just scowled at him. He returned to his seat because the patient was getting plenty specialized medical assistance already. There were probably a few dozen more medical specialists on the same plane attending the same meeting.
Pilot's language: More than slight turbulence, we would like to continue descending, please. Have a good day. Translation: Avoid this airway like hell, we are plummeting!!! Many injured!!
With ten known passengers injured, that would have been a full MCI for FDNY! (Mass Casualty Incident) I know Fire/EMS is not VASA's thing, but I would like to hear that dispatch go out! Both for PAPD and the FDNY.
Sometimes that makes things even worse for the controller. Sitting comfy, knowing there is someone out there in severe difficulties, (s)he can't reach out to help except via the radio.
Fantastic professional job. The pilots all kept their calm and nobody lost cool. Very impressive job. The descriptions on the radio was enough to build a photo in your mind.
You only have to hear the calmness and total control in the Turkish pilots voice this is who I want in charge of my aircraft during these incidents.He sounds kinda military with how he says the callsign good job Sir
Absolutely love this video! Great communications between fellow pilots and Air traffic controllers to safely get a bird down to aid in medical assistance and of course to show how professional these situations are handle. Great stuff!
What an amazing job ATC and especially the pilots did here! Of course, it’s their job and they are training for situations like this one but anyways if it is real and still going on, it‘s just worth a round of applause to stay that calm and help the other flights as well as being so polite!! Congratulations to ATC crew, pilots and cabin crew on this one. Hope all injured people are doing better by now!
Thank you to you and your radar graphics developer for the enhancements to visuals. Those of us who are on mobile and/or not so familiar with ATC screens can now really understand how everything fits together. Thanks for taking all our suggestions on board, it's really appreciated!
Jet stream shows a well defined edge north of Boston today. Because winds can go from near zero to 150kts in a matter of a few miles along the edges of the jets stream this often causes moderate to severe turbulence.
The pilots that fly mid range aircraft are not very great. I didn't really have very smooth landings with them. But the long haul pilots are pretty much one of the best.
I've been on a few flights with insane turbulance. Once the drink cart was right next to me and slammed into the roof throwing drinks everywhere. Had me laughing so hard when over all the screams you just hear the seatbelt ding.
you can tell that American 729 is feeling the stress of the situation. lots of them were feeling it. The pilots did a fantastic job an i have a feeling it was worse than they let on.
Like ship navigation where it was derived from a lot of information about relevant minute-to-minute conditions is just passed from craft to craft. Excellent team work among ATC and all the pilots.
I just seen this in the news earlier. That was fast! But really sad to hear about what happened to the Euthopian Airline. My positive thoughts to all their loved ones.
I've heard so many foreign pilots speaking in english. I'm actually pretty impressed. That's why turkish Airlines is one of the best Airlines in the world
This guy spoke amazing English but also keep in mind that they are required to. ATC and commercial pilots are required to know enough English to communicate effectively everywhere from the USA to Turkey to China. That doesn't mean English is always used within each country for aviation, but you will never hear anything but English when flying outside of your own.
When you apply to Turkish Airlines they’re doing all of the interviews and tests in English so you need to know English before applying. And they want toefl or ielts. If you pass the tests they are going europe and US for training. (I’m Turkish btw)
@@KaaNxxBlacK they don't send their cadets abroad anymore for training. turkish has her own academy in turkey and has agreements with bunch of other domestic flight schools as well. they also lowered the English skills requirements to ielts 6, it's fair to say the quality is decreasing.
@Blair Group Agreed. I've been learning German for the hell of it the last six months and kind of came to the conclusion early on that a fair chunk of the German-speaking population speaks at least some if not proficient English. Fuck it suppose.
Well done to everyone for bringing plane into land with live captain, pilot,and passengers in one piece after that nasty strong turberlance. Well done to ATC and all emergency vehicles as well. Thank you so much Annie
You can tell in the Piots voice he was worrie about his crew that broke her leg. Than he snapped out of it and got back to business. You want this Captain flying you. Cool and calm under extreme stress.
On my recent flight, the plane dropped pretty drastically a few times. When we landed there was heavy storm and flash flood outside of the airport. Glad the pilot did a great job at landing.
Thank you very much for your fantastic work. I would not even call myself an aviation enthusiast but your videos have completely changed how I perceive a flight as a passenger. I have never realised how much cooperation and exchange of information is going on between pilots and ATC. I am also astonished at the level of courtesy, politeness and helpfulness in their conversations. Thank you again.
Thank you for watching! As a pilot myself I find your comment amazing that I am able to transmit my love for aviation to people and get them interested. Appreciate it.
Could you imagine being at a gate ready to board your plane and all of a sudden you see a billion ambulances and medics rushing on to a plane and hauling 30 injured people off like the next gate over lol.
I have some friends who are quads and since seeing how difficult it is for them to just remain upright in a car or plane, I have made it a practice to wear my seatbelt. Nothing like seeing someone who has no control of balance etc. in a car being completely subject to all the forces involved, to make you respect the value of a seatbelt.
You slightly mistranscribed AAL729 at 1:56. This is probably important to the plot: he said "We're still IN IT at 30." Less important to the plot: The last part ICE615 says at 3:30 is "regarding the turbulence". In other words, he's trying to find out in advance how bad it's going to be as he defends through the worst of it. Only trying to help, not nitpick! You know we love what you do!! :-)
They did a great job up there! Pilots that would make a phone call after the incident to know how their passengers are. Very efficient, imagine they are flying the plane and taking care about what is going on back there.
My father often fly as test engineer on bombers being repaired or modified in Victoria during the Second World War. He used to tell of a time when flying from Melbourne to Tasmania when they hit an "air pocket". The plane dropped straight down. There was someone walking through the plane carrying a cup of coffee. The coffee stayed put as the cup dropped down and then landed in the cup without spilling a drop. I wish someone would fix those potholes in the sky. No joke, that is serious stuff to encounter.
@@VASAviation It's also nice to hear the pilot professionalism in these too. I mean people who hear something like X amount of people injured on plane due to turbulence tend to think pilots are idiots for going into it, but they don't understand the amount of work and co-operation between multiple planes and the ground that try to prevent these happening in the first place.
Believe me, for a doctor it's not always that lovable... Last time I was called to a passenger the FA told me some super funky history of a recent change in the distressed lady's ultrasophisticated medication for whatever weird condition, perhaps experiencing side effects, some weaning off and so on. On the way there I tried to figure if I understood at least just a grain of what I didn't and how to deal with it without anything useful on board. The poor lady just had a panic attack.
Damn, you know when you have multiple pilots complaining about "moderate" turbulence, to the everyday passenger, it's severe. Glad my ass wasn't up there.
The professionalism, compassion, understanding, cooperation, teamwork, and genuine concern gave me chills. Bravo to every person involved. Extra kudos to Boston Center for recognizing that all hell was breaking loose up there and being very responsive with altitude requests. When things get dangerous it's time to buck up and do what it takes. Mop up the mess later, but do what it takes to keep people as safe as possible.
I’ve been in moderate turbulence on the 747 it was scary but I’ve never seen a aircraft handle that volume of turbulence that well....hope everyone was ok and had minor injuries.... cudos to captain for getting them out of there safely
Which is why they say you "may" unbuckle your seat belt; doesn't mean you have to. I always keep my seatbelt buckled unless I must get up for restroom. The poor flight attendant doesn't have that option!