Catching CS2 Cheaters In The Act 

Salt right in the wound

Ye, that hurt

Makes me think of the review bombing crisis (some TF2 trolls are doing negative reviews with “#fixTF2” in them on other valve games.)

That stung hard lol

@@yannickplays It's only supposed to be on TF2 reviews, but yeah doing it on other games is just not right.

It really does :( #FixTF2

#FixTF2

Real af #fixtf2

#FixTF2

and valve is out making third person overwatch with um ziplines 😭

yeah, it looks a lot like Vertigo for some reason.

They have just put a lot of effort in revamping it.

maybe they combined Overpass and Vertigo. Explains the new A site.

We have got a whole city around damn

Yeah this new overpass is OP

True, he missed the opportunity

video when?

Yo Franz, see that little electrical box right there?

Oh man, I miss that. Can you do it again in the future videos? @Warowl?

franky presento

yep!

​@@TheWarOwl just wanna say you're a great creator

that gave me a really funny idea. For every situation where there a multiple angles a person can come from, count them up per user, the probability of them getting it right, and how many they did, and then calculate the distributions and do a hypothesis test and shit to see whether theres sufficient evidence to say theyre cheating lol

Funnily enough, a giveaway that someone is fabricating data is the absence of low probability outcomes like a coin flip landing heads 6 times in a row. Humans simply are not programmed to understand the independence of chance intuitively, probably because in nature most chances aren’t truly independent.

I don't want to be that guy, but that is not enough. There might be a 1% chance of something unlikely happening and the guy looking like they are cheating for a single event or match, but you are only analyzing a single match which you know for a fact before you even watch it that there is something suspicious, otherwise you wouldn't be watching them. Essentially, you want to find the probability of cheating while looking suspicious, or given your coin flip analogy, the probability of someone cheating a coin flip knowing they got 10 flips right in a row. As you can imagine, given the large amount of players and matches with 10 different people per day, those one in a thousand moments are going to be the ones that are getting reported. I think the key is player behaviour, together with how unlikely the thing you just did was. Like for example, even warowl on this video only agrees on cheating when they start following people through the wall and the likes. The rank is also a very important factor. If you see a low elo player check no corners 90% of the round and then getting everything else right and checking the right places with zero info, that could genuinely be a one in a thousand moment because people in low elo already check nothing 90% of the time. However, in a very high elo match seeing the same behaviour can be a dead giveaway. The same thing can happen in reverse, where in high ranks it's less suspicious and low ranks it's more, like kills through smokes. Higher rank players have much better gamesense and can be seen often spamming smokes and getting kills. Some times they get lucky. But lower rank players very often never even look at smokes because they think smokes are walls, much less shoot through them, and then if out of nowhere they shoot through a smoke with zero knowledge and in just a couple of shots with pinpoint accuracy, then it's also a dead giveaway, like the guy shown in the video. Again, it's not just low probability, it's low probability together with out of place player behaviour. The thing is, player behaviour is very consistent. In "true lucky" events, and and "normal" events, the probability of a player showing weird suspicious behaviour throughout the match is very low, while in "cheated lucky" events the probability of showing weird behaviour throughout the match is much higher. So it would be a way to diferentiate between legit 10 flips in a row or cheated 10 flips in a row.

Lol I see what you did there

I miss the Noir and cowboy impressions from those ngl

Missed these

Same

Yeah I like it

Except in a competitive much and you lose you kinda, derank? For no good reason? I've had players counter cheating before against blatant cheaters, and it kinda makes the whole thing silly & fun. We'd just mid inferno so the cheater will AWP us and immediately our cheater would peak to kill him & crazy shit like this. But yeah, unless its blatant, do NOT counter cheat.

Incorrect. Having cheats pre-installed is necessary at this point. You must police your own lobbies if Valve will not do it. I do not want to have cheats installed, and I would love to be rid of them. But in the case of cheating in a Source game, fire must be fought with fire, as the developers will not use the tools at their disposal.

@@TheSearchForTruth88 Yeah except people can just believe the enemies are cheating and turn on cheats when it's not even happening. Imagine how many less cheaters there would be if all the people who cheated for this reason stopped. It's a shortsighted, shallow, and stupid principle. Makes sense to believe it, but in and of itself, it does not make sense. If you argue against it, it's just mental gymnastics. You shouldn't cheat just because other people do. You're literally becoming the thing you hate for other people, you're doing it to yourself.

@@ronnie9379 The alternative is to just not play, which I don't want to do, because I enjoy the game.

@@TheSearchForTruth88u enjoy counter cheating ? Lol pathetic, cs ranking is fake u will not get anything just play with friends lobby like in 1.6 to have fun

It's still in competitive just not premiere

​@Orangr its not overpass, but vertigom

@@WayStedYou dawg what

@@Orangrhe called vertigo overpass in the vid

Tack another 10% to this and you'd probably be close to the real number. In other words, about half the players in the highest ranks don't belong there which is probably true for a lot of popular FPS games. I'm just glad the CS community is catching on because it was much worse in CSGO than a lot of people wanted to admit. More players were simply attempting to be less obvious in case the game went to OW.

@@JJFX- CS was always before the ftp model, a game where yes you could cheat but you would be banned quite fast due to the anti cheat system with overwatch people looking at suspect gameplay. I thoroughly enjoyed banning those fuckers each time I got a clip to watch and judge, 95% were cheaters a few smurfs here and there and some were just lucky shots. It worked pretty well but like every game that you don't breach peoples privacy by looking at what they are running on their pc's without asking, you can't do much about it unfortunately, cheats will always evolve and circumvent the anti cheat after a while in that cat and mouse game they have. The best way is to periodicly go and look for any cheat you can find, sue their asses and run the big cheat corpo's out of business, the few that use custom cheats are either super shit and will be spotted instantly or supergood and almost not noticable but both will be few and far between that its manageable by for instance using stuff like overwatch ban system.

Você por aqui professor? Ah, e sim, deadlock já vai nascer morto, já que a Valve tem um belo histórico de ser péssima com anticheats

@@nakazaki_ e ae! Sim, eu acho que se o jogo durar um ano vai ser muito.

Tomara que sim pra eles tomarem vergonha na cara.

@@deltahl tomara

thanks for the suggestion, maybe I will do this for some stream content for a WarOwl Wednesday if I don't feel like playing CS2 that day

​@@TheWarOwlhi mom

uncalled for man, uncalled for.

Yup

Valve has already said that they're going that direction. I believe 3clicks talked about it at one point.

I mean, it's okay to let them have access, just give priority to the votes of the trusted members, and correlate the votes of the trusted members with other non trusted members to determine who to trust, this is how you grow a pool of 'high trust' users in a voting pool. Let everyone vote, but give different weight to each vote based on how much you trust that they're voting correctly.

@@iPuls3 this is still very exploitable without a decent amount of manual effort.

@@donkeykong315 a treadmill, so to speak. better to outsource the labor to someone who will regulate it, earn money out of it and be trusted with thier carrers on the chopping block

@@0Blueaura yeah. I guess the more important part of the problem is the convenience and efficiency for Valve. If they deem it too inconvenient for the amount of efficiency, they just wont do it.

Dont forget the LEDs, its all about the LEDs they give you better aim and FPS

Birth can wait. But jokes aside, congrats!

@@kaksspl I lied

@@inception1695 Congrats!

@@inception1695 Right, I forgot we're CS players. We don't do wives.

@@kaksspl if we spent the energy we spent on Competitive SoloQ CS in college we probably would've gotten Nobel prizes :P

#FixTF2 :'D

Valve doesn't care about cheaters. Never has, never will. At the end of the day, cheaters are still paying customers on Valve's quarterly earnings report hence why they just let them run amok. Why ban them and shut off a source of revenue?

I am playing faceit 4 days a week 0 problems

It's ok if your inventory is private I also only play FACEIT. For the sake of English-speaking players and effective anti-cheat.

@@JustAnother_No_One I always played vanilla no-additions on Steam, so had the worst experiences even with Prime enabled for years. Roughly 5 years ago a guy even ddosed my entire team during a competitive match lol.

Yep, they killed CSGO and replaced it with this joke of an "update". Sad. I miss CSGO.

I'm 1900 elo on faceit and I'm chilling. Though I play mm / premiere with friends and sometimes wingman... can say there are a ton of cheaters there.. 650 games on faceit 0 cheaters, only smurfs in lower elos / boosted accs or leavers etc. Ofc more toxicity but your mental is broken if you can't handle it or mute them - EU

Kind of???

NGL, I personally think the TF2 community is acting really cringe lately. Their game is old as shit, didn't get any attention from valve in forever and all of a sudden they think they have the right to review bomb other games on steam just because they're unhappy with their game? It's not just childish behaviour, it's kindergarten behaviour.

​​​@@catdisc5304no they are absolutely not, doesn't matter how old it is, if valve monetizes the game, thwn they gotta keep up maintenance too, also there is literally straight up no game that can replicate this gaming experience, you as a CS player should understand this. For last I'm Just gonna point out the fact that these bot hosters are committing real life crimes, are inflating the game economy and many other horrible things aaaand review bombing other games that aren't TF2 is not part of the movement so yea. Blame the individuals

@@alegz8293 doesn't matter if it's the actual community or bad actors, it's cringe either way. The only logical solution for valve will be to shut the game down entirely. You're right, it doesn't matter how old it is, if they monetize it, then they should also maintain it. But they don't. So they probably will abandon it completely soon

@@catdisc5304 they cannot shut down the game. That's the stupidest opinion I have heard on this. People have invested thousands upon thousands of dollars in the game if they were to shut it down, all of that would become worthless and the whole community market would destabilaze.Not just TF2 market, all markets, because tf2 items are still being trade inbetween these games for other stuff or just sold for ya know.... money. Not to mention of what kind of an example it would show to players of other Valve games like Dota or CS2. If they can just shut down tf2 and make all your items worthless, why wouldn't they do it with literally any of their other games. Nope that's just simply not happening buddy.

@@catdisc5304 and yes it matters who is doing it, because you are calling out the entire movement, however it is only a few bad apples who do this. You can't apply this to us all cause we, as the movement, are not doing this or supporting this.

that's why I look for a pattern of behavior. I also have played and watched enough of this game, analyzing pro demos, that I know what to look for.

@@TheWarOwl to clarify, what i meant is that when random viewers accuse pros of cheating, they don't fully analyze the gameplay and instead just point at one out of context clip, *unlike* what you're doing here which analyzes consistent and repeated suspicious behavior that can't be explained by game sense or luck. Sorry if i caused a misunderstanding! Great video ❤️

Most of the pro scene is cheating though.

@@TheSearchForTruth88 hey! Wouldya look at that, here's one of them tinfoil hat viewers now!

@@Pyxyty Call me what you want. The pro scene has been made up of mostly cheaters since the game first exploded back in 2014. Ever since there was real money to be made, all of a sudden everyone started pulling off humanly impossible feats, and having inhuman instinct. None of it is legit.

they said they are working on fixing it. take that as you will. Valve will NOT comment on what they are doing to specifically counter the cheating, as they(and everyone else) sees obfuscation as the best defense.

They should also weigh judgment from high total playtime accounts. These accounts love the game.

I used to dream about it too. But I didn't cheat - the dream itself made me think I'm cheating and then I saw it in the overwatch perspective