The CS2 Cheater Problem Has Gotten Goofy 

It's comically funny to see how bad the players are in these clips even with cheats😭😭

Guys stop complaining, they are busy working on making case openings better so that you have something to do while sitting in spawn in a HvH game

I played 10 years and left in CS:GO when the problem was just too much. I didn‘t touched CS2 once. The game is so unattractive with the cheaters in mind

Deeply saddening to experience that gaming, where you meet tons of people around the world that share your hobby, is becoming utterly futile. Every multiplayer game is being dominated by cheaters, bots or any other form of negativity. It's been a long time since "enjoying the game" was the main goal of the majority of players, the main goal changed to "win at all costs" many years ago and now it's transitioning again into "win, but also ruin your opponent's experience while at it". Absolutely gutted that I'm just looking out for singleplayer and co-op games nowadays, because multiplayer is just ruined.

Cs2: Cheaters Tf2: Bots What the hell Valve (Edit) Looks like Valve fixed Tf2 bot problem with the new 64-bit system (for now)

What's also insane to me is how many of the wall hackers in this video have like absolutely zero idea of the map geometry and die trying to get kills that anyone with a modicum of gamesense would be like "kid you're shooting a wall"

Another problem I’ve been having is that I go on a losing streak from spinbots, end up in a much lower rank, where there’s less hackers, but then I get accused of cheating because everyone is at a lower rank… they all report me so idk how I can ever get my trust factor up again

The worst part is the players that go "OmFg YoUr JuSt BaD tHeRe AreNt ChEaTeRs"

The worst thing is that every time you play a game you first check your opponents' profiles instead of playing the warm-up. The first one only has 200 hours, the second one doesn't have a badge & the last one doesn't even have his Steam profile set up. And we as a team all have 3k+ hours, 1k€ inventories and +15 years accounts. That's just a shame because CS is the only game we really play = we're old.

As a tf2 player who just started playing CS2, it feels like I never left home

7:42 The issue with these kernel-level modules is not only the possibility of Riot being able to take control, but that potential security vulnerabilities in the software could be used by malicious actors to get privileges that may otherwise be more difficult otherwise. It creates an attack surface, and the more software you install that especially have kernel-level access, the greater the surface is, and the likelihood of vulnerabilities to exist that could potentially be exploited. We are have been fortunate enough that nothing serious has happened yet except for hidden Bitcoin miners and the like; but chances increase over time as these anti-cheats grow in scope and features.

1. Trust factor is also affected by getting reporting for abusive communication which is the reason it was a complete and utter failure in CSGO. 2. Valve admitted that only a few people need to review a overwatch case depending on the accuracy of their previous overwatch verdicts.

Csgo : Cheaters Cs2 : more cheaters

I can't comprehend how VAC can't pick up on somebody shooting 5 shots of a scout in .1 second.

TF2 Players who have been fighting bots since 2019 : First Time ?

6:30 “valve is big on ethics” Millions of parents credit cards have something else to say

+1 on the "I stopped playing due to cheaters" and +1 on the "I tried playing the game with friends, but they pretty much went NOPE, Nope, nope.."

For a new overwatch system they should make it possible to report someone for cheating from a replay. This would reduce over reporting of false positives because if you suspect someone cheating you can wait till the end of the game, rewatch your match and make a much more informed decision if that person was actually cheating.

Remember someone saying that online multi-player gaming is going to hit a point where there are so many cheaters, in every game, that the games industry is going to just give up on the concept and we are going to go back to couch co-op and single player experiences being the main style of games. I thought that was ridiculous, but every year it does seems more and more likely we will eventually get there

now the CS community gets to see how TF2's been for the past 7 years. Valve simply does not care as long as people keep buying keys and SCM items.

"The game is unplayable at high rating premier" honestly, the "high rating" is unneccessary, lower rating matchmaking is still horrible for the same reasons xD

I love how every single CS content creators just dropped cheating related video in a span of 1 week

Valve needs to make a statement about the cheater problem. Only info we ever get is “fixed missing pixel on vertigo” and “new case/event” players quitting the game isn’t enough they just get replaced by leveling bots, we need youtubers to speak up for us and stop playing and that includes the skintubers. Only way to get Valve to address this is for them to see a major shift in players and community.

Had a very sus guy on enemy team in MM, out of nowhere one of my teammates starts spinbotting and then the aforementioned sus dude also began spinbotting just turned into an HVH match

Tf2 has been plagued with hackers for 4 years and valve hasn’t done anything serious to get rid of them, starting to see a trend here.

Cheating for advantage in CS is like taking viagra for a blow-up doll.

The Overwatch system relied on unpaid users doing Valves work for them, much like mods on streaming services or social media. A lot more *could* be done without going full Stasi on your computer, but it would take actual man hours and that's expensive. Cheating is worse than it has to be because companies don't care about the customer, they care about the profit, and there is a much bigger disconnect between those two than people like to imagine.

The state of CS2 is so trash right now. Noone playing legit cant play the game 😞

I was an admin during the 1.6 era of Counter-Strike in a small community called Imperium. We used two anti-cheat programs, Cheating-Death and SxE injected. I really miss those days. Saludos desde Argentina!

“Valve is good on ethics” LOL ethics doesn’t cover enabling and promoting underage gambling addictions then i guess

I am amazed this channel still exists and that the guy doesn’t seem to have aged a day in something like 5 years.

the dude trying to jump ontop nuke silo meanwhile a whole ass teamfight is happening sent me

watching billy at 7:35 trying to climb up silo was like sticking 9 inch nails to each one of my eyelids.

Same issue on Rust. Really feels like Valve is not ready to do anything about that. Any VAC/game ban should make you lose access to play online with your Steam account.

Problem with kernel level anti-cheat is there have been serious cases of security breaches or even degraded performance as a result.

"Valve is big on ethics", meanwhile Teens and potentially even smaller children get addicted to gambling because of their case item randomization.

I will never understand cheating - the fun of a multiplayer game is outplaying your opponent, and I seriously don't see how cheating could be fun or enjoyable. It's crazy, honestly.

It’s amazing that a company so far into the industry knowing every trick, every nook and cranny of a PC and its softwares can’t make an actual good anti cheat.

Suggesting that Riot's anti cheat is better is actually pretty superficial. There are so many workarounds, and, as you pointed out, the homegrown cheats are also not detected. Vanguard only goes after the mass detected cheats just like VAC. The only difference is that they do more ban rounds. Valorant actually has a huge problem with triggerbots, which are undetectable even by Vanguard. They're not as powerful as a full blown cheat is, but ragehacking doesn't get you far anyway, so triggerbots work great for semi-experienced players to fly under the radar.

Letting people enable cheats ingame is big brain because it's so easy to detect and ban anyone who does it /s

VAC Net became sentient and decided it was sick of our garbage

All comes back to officially ran matchmaking being a horrible mistake and community ran server browsers being objectively better.

"Valve is as bad at making a matchmaking system as Bethesda is at making a game." - TheWarOwl

It's actually reached a level where I can't have fun playing. I've been hooked on this game for almost a decade, and in that time I haven't found any other game I enjoy to the same level. I also have had a hard time pulling myself away from the game for more than a couple of days at a time. It's been a week since I played CS, and that was only to get my weekly drop. It was another week before that. I'm not even missing it. Valve has to come up with a solution. All the "dead game" memes because of other games coming out were stupid, but this very well could actually kill Counterstrike. I want to come back, but at this point I need a reason to return, not a reason to leave.

I quit three months ago because of two cheaters who were just bhopping to our spawn and then killing us in a split second, but not only that - after eleven rounds of that mess, they surrendered. That was my limit, and I've been playing this game for fifteen years. I was hoping CS2 would bring some new anti-cheat stuff, but nope, nothing.

"CS is the chess of video games" It's true, one of my teammates admitted to using a buttplug while playing.

I had a match that was so vivid. It was the first time me and a friend played CSGO together (I had 200+ hrs, he just started) and I was showing him the ropes. We booted up casual, and I started talking about the cheating problem when there were 3 open aim/spin botters in that game alone. It was a wild experience

-playing matchmaking with 2 friends -the 2 randoms are a duo -one of them kills my friend -we kill him -he starts rage hacking -we cant kick him -we box him in and drop him molotovs -HE THROWS ONE -he gets kicked, we kick his duo

I found my own solution. I stopped playing competitive multiplayer games 😂😂😂

It actually is full of cheating, I’m a decent skilled player, I have a few alt accounts and on those alts I have noticed so many cheaters, I was so convinced it wasn’t that bad and they weren’t cheating just good players when I watched demo it was evident, what a shame

im at a point where i dont know what to play anymore cause everything sucks in its own unique way

Csgo is cursed. I had red trustfactor on my main when it came out without reason. No team dmg kills kicks or leaving. No cheating or other advantages ever in any game. I moved countries tho and then it happend. After years it got fixed and then i got banned probably because i got hacked via black ops 2 rce exploit but still. And now on my second account i just get non-stop cheaters in every match. So i quit when cs2 came out and was trash.

what sucks is this isnt just a cs problem, its a multiplayer fps problem. literally every fps game, especially the competitive ones, have a serious cheating problem right now. Sure its always been an issue but ive never experienced such wide spread cheating in every multiplayer fps game I love playing. it like the new generation of gamers just default to downloading or writing cheats without trying to play the game naturally for some reason. I would compare it to the issue of professional athletes using substances to out compete they're opponents. as time progresses the drugs/cheats become more effective, more specific and unfortunately harder to detect. The state of competition in the modern age is a complete shit show and its a damn shame.

The bigger problem with kernel level anti cheats isn't the creator abusing the power, but the massive surface area it opens up for potential backdoors into your PC. If someone discovers a vulnerability they now have complete access to the PC of everyone who plays the game

WarOwl will get a closer before Valve implements a working anticheat.

I used to be a long-term CS player - it was my go-to FPS for years. I will never touch CS again. They had their chance, and at this point, it doesn't even matter to me if they come out with an "AI anticheat that has used months upon months of data to weed out cheats/cheaters" - it's too little, too late, and it still won't weed out as many cheats as kernel AC would. There's so many other FPS/games on the market, why the fuck would I keep playing CS2 with the state that it's in? The game doesn't even properly give you the option of surrendering a match, and certainly not in a timely manner, meaning you're either trapped playing against blatant cheaters for rounds upon rounds upon rounds, or you leave the game and get hit with a temporary suspension. The only message I'm getting from valve with the shitstorm that CS2 has been and is, is that they've completely leaned into the slot machine game that CS:GO first introduced, and that the FPS gameplay and integrity is entirely a secondary objective/priority. Enough is enough.

Real talk, people SHOULDN'T play on face it either. Playing on Faceit enables valve to be lazy and let the community do the work instead of doing something about it themselves, which they should do considering its THEIR game THEY make millions of dollars a month on. They OWE it to the playerbase to give them a quality experience.

It is crazy to me that they removed all the anti-cheat systems from CSGO. Not only did they not improve the AC, they freaking removed core parts of it altogether. Mindboggling incompetence.

Hey man, you do good work. I don't play cs anymore, but I enjoy your content enough that I'll get my fix through your youtube fix. Thx, and keep up the positive impact on your community

I was an overwatch participant during CSGO. Viewed hundreds and hundreds of demos, and most of them were blatant spinbotters, with the occasional "is this guy walling or just good?" that required xray mode and a little bit of paying attention. It was only toward the last 2 years or so of csgo that I started to watch more subtle cheats that actually took a second to evaluate or required going back and watching a second time. The point is that the detection was getting good. It went from only showing blatant spinbotters bunnyhopping at max speed to eventually showing people whose recoil was just a little bit too unnaturally good with flicks more accurate than s1mple or jks on their best day, but not so consistent as to be robotic. We went from a system like that, where I could reliably expect to see an overwatch case every time I opened the game, and eventually expect to actually have to investigate the cheater because it required me to do so, to no system at all. To play devil's advocate for a second, I can understand why valve might be hesitant to implement a system like overwatch in cs2 straight away, even if it were possible to just port the learning models and infrastructure straight over, which I assume it isn't. It would probably result in a lot of false positives with a new game, a new playerbase, and new cheats. But that just means you'd weed out the inaccurate overwatch demo viewers, not ban people who didn't deserve it. So idk, I don't think there's a particularly compelling argument for them not having a similar or at least equivalent in detection success system in place for cs2.

When I first read that EF academy players were banned for 2 years I thought it was too much for poor kids. But then I found out that they are 20+ years old. Deserved

Had an enemy tell us in chat that he could see one of our teammates had cheats through the same cheat client. Thought they were just trash talking then the enemy raged on us in the warmup. The dude on our team didn't say anything and after we got botted for two rounds he just types "okay fucker i was just trying to chill" then proceeded to spinbot the rest of the game. Got the win. Felt like a loss. Sucks to see

I think you missed a key part in the Valorant Vanguard discussion: "If a company like Riot did abuse the access and they got caught that would be gg all trust would be lost...". The risk is that they made a mistake in that code and a program or attack can leverage that to do more damage to someone due to the kernel-level driver/anti-cheat. But I'm a security conscious developer and I gave up after a bit of resistance; said screw it, and did install Valorant on a past PC. And I've used FACEIT. The point that most people don't care is accurate. The reality is people will accept these things!

Hey, WarOwl! Will you do a Condition Zero expert smokeless playthrough in the meantime?

Two major things you missed, 1st: because pretty much all anti-cheats are closed source, having so many machines with what is essentially a rootkit installed makes a large amount of people very vulnerable to attack and relying on the company to disclose this. 2nd: Valve has always been a turnkey company, they have always wanted the community to do the work and they just provide the tool set, I think as long as the market for cases is strong the incentive to spend time fixing the glaring problems is not a priority. Just look at their history, until it effects their bottom line, they do not care.

CS:GO then: An amazing FPS with actual strats and super popular CS2 now: A gambling site with in-game modes to show off your expensive pixels

i quit playing csgo and sold my skins and karambit doppler because of cheating. ccant stand it

Have you SEEN those fire case opening animations. Helllls yeah

Really missing CSGO at this moment. I had high trust factor and my rank was perfectly calibrated to give me challenging but fun matches. Now it's either cheaters on Valve servers or weird Faceit matches with players ranging in skill from silver to semi-pro.

"Valve is big on ethics" I don't know about that one lmao. If they were "big on ethics" then they would've shutdown the whole gambling scene thats been going on in CS for years.

"Typing rosebud into the sims" lmao I forgot about this it felt like time travel to hear

Hey Warowl, im 38 Years old and i Play CS for like 20 Years. Played on Release of CS2 very active on FaceIT Europe until i reached around 2.6k Elo. Problem is Cheaters in Faceit too. Brand New Accounts with 70% Winrates on rougly 300 Games and stuff. Obviously there is a big cheating problem on Faceit. One thing Developers shouldnt forget is that Accountselling is the Problem here. Bad Players and Cheaters buy high Elo accounts for playing and all of these Accounts get boosted by Cheaters. The majority of these Boosters are people from 3rd World Countrys or Countrys with high poverty Rates. They dont care a single bit about destroying a game so its up to the Game developers to place the hardest Anticheat possible to save it from dying.

Counter Strike 2 means twice as many cheaters

7:43 It is totally legit to think that large corporations won't abuse this power, but you don't take into account that other malicious actors can abuse the system.

Everyone talking bout cheats but is forgetting how bad the gameplay is compared to csgo. It is not as responsive as csgo, spraying sucks, movement sucks.

For this reason, I've been playing only the casual mode. At least in casual, most often then not, cheaters usually get kicked and if they don't then I just go play a different map group.

It's not just high elo premier, it's every rank and in comp too. Spin botters, blatant aim bots, and wall trackers, constantly. It's just sad that people are so selfish

Love how none of the cheaters could get any good nades down range or even position themselves decently😂

I've played counter strike since I was 14 years old. I'm 22 now and had to step away. It's almost tear jerking what they've done to it. It used to be a game I could endlessly work and get better at WHILE playing with friends. None of my friends play anymore to the state of the game and any work I put into the game is stomped out by a cheater or extremely inexperienced players. It's like if they turned the local free skate park into a parking lot that you pay for. They took out the fun and replaced it with shiny skins.

Never clicked a WarOwl video faster in my life. Highly agree, I think CS2 needs more anti cheat functionality.

tf2 be like "first time?"

Damn I just realized how well things were in csgo, The trust factor worked so well I never saw cheaters.

Even without any cheater, the new player experience, not only in CS2 but in pretty much all popular "arena-style" online shooters, is horrendous. That's because everybody else has infinitely more experience than you, and you have literally no chance. It's like a beginner chess player going to a grandmaster level tournament. The skill level difference is completely ridiculous. You'll just get killed instantly, again and again, and you'll have no chance. It's by far the main reason why I don't play those games. They are nonsensical.

"I think if riot abused the trust..." Nope. Gameguard is kernel level and got hacked. Nobody remembers, cares, and people still use it 'til this day.

Really disappointed by Valve. They let the issue go on for so long that at this point it's almost common knowledge that premier/mm is HvH without consquences. This is really disappointing for someone (like me) who loves CS. They let my favourite game become a cheater infested shitfest.

You are such a legend WarOwl. So Happy you re part of the community

At this point Valve should just ask Riot for their anticheat. Pay them, boom. CS2 finally playable. I play Valorant and there are no cheaters. Its insane, its so chill. No fucking cheaters whatsoever. Valorant vs CS2 Lobbies is like Europe vs a diarrhea riddled ghetto in India - which is CS2.

"i dont wanna think about that stuff... i just wanna play some counter strike" that hit home in a way i did not expect it to

Honestly, people say they care about privacy, but clearly not enough to remove google services from their phones, not play valorant, etc. So if people ask me if I care about privacy, I am just honest and tell them "no, not really". Intrusive anticheat would remove 99% of cheaters and 2% of players tops.

Vanguard better not look at my search history, even ai would bleach their cache once seeing it

When you said "all the footage you have been seeing", I thought: Wasn't his entire video just his facecam? I definitely did not look at the video footage i realized

They even removed the replay feature in casual, where you could easily detect if your opponent used a cheat to kill you...

Valve Anti Cheat will never be kernel level because Valve respects users privacy and prefer Linux which its community doesn't want any kind of invasive private code running on their system. Also Faceit is not protected from all cheats, it keeps out the easy ones but we need to stop peddling this lie. No anti-cheat is perfect, that's probably why Riot Games doesn't want to give its players a replay viewer because its possible that cheating accusations will prop up in droves.

the solution is play community servers like everyone did for years matchmaking and its consequences have been disasterous to multiplayer videogames

lol, I never knew about the trust factor thingy, guess that's why I didn't encounter many cheaters and always thought it was weird how so many complained about it...

7:44 - well the main problem isn't that a legit company will abuse the ability to access your data. The biggest problem is that they could introduce a bug, that would enable hackers to easily get full control over your machine. The less highly privileged code - the lower the probability for introducing some vulnerability.

RIP road to Global

What I hate the most about low elo is that when I am playing well, ppl accuse me of cheating and start cheating themselves…

I played a wingman game where every single kill the guy got was a hipfire headshot with the scout through a wall. You'd think after the 12th kill he'd have been flagged but nope! Counts as a loss!

Trustfactor should kind of work like the sportsmanship rating system in Gran Turismo. It stars of high and then if you are toxic or cheat it will get tanked. This way new players have a chance.