This is so beautiful and great to see two people of opposing views honestly dialogue to each learn something from the other. Without the openness of learning it is not truly a dialogue or at least not a sincere one. This is why I love Bishop Barron so much. He has a great gift and understanding that he can speak to almost anyone.
Surprised to find AO hearing this argument for the first time. And great watching the Bishop, such an affable person but with all the classic philosophical tools and expertise able to handle a modern atheist without alienating him
I felt privileged to email with Alex months ago. He's a role model for because he's naturally virtuous and and admirably humble. Watch videos where he talked with professor Dawkins to see how gently he disproves some things Dr. Dawkins says. Alex is brilliant. I hope that someday he'll revert to Catholicism partly because he'd excel at Catholic philosophy.
Everything that i see in nature- even the body of a person. Shows me there is a higher intelligence at work among us. I have no idea how atheists cannot see this when they walk among so many beautiful things that simply man cannot create out of nothing. For example, water and oxygen
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@@marisol033 most of the universe is empty space and black holes. only by grossly cherry-picking facts can you think reality was "designed" (whatever that means) or intelligent.
How do we know for sure it is truly empty space? what makes our planet and humans so special? I mean this means there has to be more out there...because even here on Earth we keep discovering new things. Keep in mind every discover leads us to the undeniable truth: there is a creator at work. Intelligence does not come out of nothing. Impossible. Time to immerse into more deep thoughts.
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@@marisol033 "How do we know for sure it is truly empty space?" IKR? You'd have to pass a grade school level astronomy class or something.
I know that some questions are just meant to go unanswered. And we should not waste our time debating what is the truth. We should instead as humans become more kind to one another. We need to develop patience for our unique viewpoints on certain topics. We spend so much time learning how to use technology. But we have no energy or interest in becoming more tolerant of our differences? Humans we need to wake up. I myself need to develop patience.
@@John75Mulhern "To those who have faith no explanation is necessary to fools who don't, no explanation is possible." So just continue in you misery. It's okay
@@WarrenKirkpatrickIt's not necessary to show that something can come from nothing because it hasn't been established that that's how existence came about. The fact is we simply don't know the reason for existence (although we are currently able to trace it back as far as the Big Bang).
Life is meaningless. Everything passes away so quickly: that friendship in high school; that exhilarating ski trip; that picnic, that camp out, that present; that meal. "The world and everything in it that people desire is passing away; but he who does the will of God lives forever." 1John 2:17.
Where people get confused (and it’s very easy to) is that your life is not about you. Let me say that again, YOUR life is not about YOU. Well, then who is it about? It’s about God. It’s about serving him and doing his purpose here on earth while you have the time. That’s what you’re here for. And that’s very difficult to do because you have free will and you have an.EGO. If you can somehow relinquish that ego and submit to God’s will instead of your own, you will have a fuller life here on earth and you will live for eternity thereafter. That’s the reward.
@@pirate85590 Pirate, because the world was such a mess. God sent his son here to show us how to live. His life exemplifies God’s will. Before that it was written in scripture, But if you simply follow the commandments, love and help one another you are on the right track. This nonsense written all over these comments about morality being subjective is just that, nonsense. We all know instinctively what is right and what is wrong, because it’s innate. Furthermore, what is right and wrong was also listed in the commandments, but because people don’t have the fortitude to follow them they create their own morality, and then it becomes subjective. Essentially, everything that is wrong with the world is because of people’s subjective morality and ego.
Weakest? dude… Alex would school your fragile little ego, poor kid.
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@@WarrenKirkpatrick His first sentence in this vid shows he is not an atheist. No atheist thinks there is a "crisis in meaning". We make our own meanings. He's a weak-brained little poser.
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@@WarrenKirkpatrick His first sentence in this vid shows he is not an atheist. No atheist thinks there is a "crisis in meaning". We make our own meanings. He's a weak-brained little poser.
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@@WarrenKirkpatrick only if he can delete my comments like this channel does
“The birth and death of every heresy has been essentially the same. An unbalanced Catholic or Christian takes one idea out of a thousandfold throng of Catholic ideas, and announces he cares for that Catholic idea more than for Catholicism. He takes it away with him into the wilderness, where the idea becomes an image and the image an idol. Then, after a century or two, he suddenly wakes up and discovers that the idol is an idol; and shortly after that, that the wilderness is a wilderness. If he is a wise man, he calls himself a fool and returns to the balance of the thousandfold throng of ideas in Catholicism. If not, he calls himself a progressive who has outgrown the worship of idols, and he looks around at the wilderness, and says, “I see no limit to it at all.”- Chesterton Whatever is set on the throne of God is the idol that causes the imbalance.
What is eternal Life. Life is complex and the scripture of epistle of Hebrews chapter 4 v 12. The spirit of God is active like a two edged sword. He separates. People change depending on the unknown events that we are unprepared for.
Good morning. I'm an atheist, but I want to know for my personal investigation about monotheists: - Have you read ALL the Bible: All pages? - For you, is there only one God? Which one? - For you, what is God? - For you, why hasn't anyone ever seen God? Why doesn't he ever show up? A reason? Thank you, sir. Jean-Jacques THIBOUT.
1 - Still reading the Bible. 2 - Yes, only one God, the Father, the Son and the Holy spirit. 3 - The creator of all things, the one who transcends the material and the ultimate good. 4 - For the same reason an 2d being would never be able to fully see an 3d being, we simply leak the "meat hardware" to visualize God, i mean can you picture something in 4d or 5d?
1. I have not read the entire bible but am working on it. I have read the entire new covenant and have started to pray the Office of Readings in the Liturgy of the Hours which contains most of the old testament in one year. This Advent I will also be starting the bible in a year program with Father Mike Schmitz. 2. Yes, there is only one living and true God. It is the Christian God of the bible - the most Holy Trinity in the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. 3. God is everything good and fulfilling. He is Charity/Love itself. He is above all human attributes and yet we need to use words to define Him. I heard someone say that it is sometimes easier to say what God is not than what He is. 4. Your fourth question is a false dichotomy. You would have to clarify what you mean by that. However, I will try to guess and answer based on that. God as Spirit has shown up and shown Himself through history by creating a divine institution on earth, which now has its fulness in the Catholic Church. This institution was promised to exist until Christ's return and so far that promise has proven true. In practice, we as members of this Church act as members of the Mystical Body of Christ. Saints have died for the faith because God has shown Himself to them. God has also made Himself visible by becoming flesh in Christ Jesus. Many have seen Him during His earthly life and after. He is also visible in His Word which breathes life into many people and gives them hope. He is likewise visible in our own consciences. That is why people have to cloud their own conscience in order to do evil - especially obstinate evil. Likewise, God shows up in miracles which the Church has documented and authenticated for over 2000 years. If you mean why has God not shown up in a way that would force everyone to believe, the answer would be that He wishes for us to desire and seek Him. He hides Himself from the proud since they want nothing to do with He who is Humility itself. He presents Himself to the meek, lowly, and humble of heart. We have to invest into faith because there is a certain work that needs to be done - although a fulfilling one. In Heaven no one needs faith but on earth it is a virtue that leads us to God. It is necessary because of fallen nature. If we indulge in worldliness we become completely corrupt, and so we must deny ourselves. Faith is a part of self denial because it requires seeking something higher than ourselves. But this faith is a partner to reason. It is not blind. I hope that helps.
1. Have read most of the New Testament and some Old, but I grew up going to church and am familiar with much of the Bible 2. God in the Highest and more so, Father, Son and Holy Ghost 3. The Creator, Who Is Love 4. Many have seen God in Christ and in the remarkable literature of Near Death Experiences, yet life would be somewhat meaningless if we didn't have autonomy
7:04 Yes, people saying "I'm going to invent my own meaning and purpose" ARE coping, for the simple fact that the human will IS NOT performative : it cannot change reality. Thus, if life is objectively meaningless, as atheist claim, saying "my life has value because I decide it has" doesn't create meaning ; it creates an illusion. And "no matter how tender, how exquisite, a lie remains a lie". This thirst for meaning in the human life, that isn't explained by evolution, is another hint toward the existence of God.
Please realize the meaning you talk about is based on what other men wrote down 2000 years ago. These same men knew nothing about germs, the size of our universe or that the miracles they proclaim have never been proven to be able to happen. Yes, we are coping with the fact that we don’t have all the answers but you are taking the position you have all the answers. Thats is not a humble,position and considering the lack of evidence for your position, it appears extremely arrogant and foolish.
I see what's being avowed here: that we'd be a happier, more socially cohesive culture if everyone bought into - and ordered their lives around - a shared belief in _astrology._ I agree of course, but...
they can’t enjoy the world? Thats a bold statement. are you saying that one in the history of the world, ( not just atheists but Muslims, buddhists, Hindus, etc. ) hasn’t enjoyed their life without a christ myth to believe in? Going to need some data on that.
In short (Ha! Ha!) .. So let us consider the question - Thus, we ponder not so much 'What is the point?' which relates to the quantum (how-much-ness) of a concept (here a mathematical expression of some or other equation) = how many variable weights of value will prompt a limited free-will moral agent to act responsibly (e.g. efficiently, within reason, without coercion). Rather we wonder - 'Why is there a "point" at all .. let alone an original and final one (or more, materially, concrete "stuff", or spiritually, of "life, existence, being" ad infinitum) ..? which leads us to examine the qualitas (kind-of-ness) of a character (here the assessment of one or more attractions) = the sort of agency that affects us (i.e. to act within reason, without coercion, as a matter of limited choice aka 'free will'). The material chain, for chain or channel it is, of attraction is by nature (character) limited - whether a drug, pleasure, or habit. However the spiritual chain in the character (disposition) of attention - is unnervingly un-ended, whether an entertainment, sensation, or design. It is the designation .. and its origin/ destination .. that sets out the parameters of the 'point' = its meaning, purpose, value or virtue (and vice); this applies in its beginning, course, and end even for the point of a pin or pencil or polity, for the term 'God' its philosophical concept < God > and its assessment as a - spiritual - reality (thing, in being, existence, life), also for a belief-system, faith, or religion, et al; and that btw is why the Catholic Church dares to set itself out as it so believes of itself, as one body with one spirit : Jesus Christ, Himself, mystically .. even though its pastors no longer seem to understand, accept or proclaim its genuinely startling indeed disturbing claims .. that designation is far too confrontational for drawing-room conviviality*. Keep the Faith; tell the truth, shame the devil, and let the demons shriek. God bless. ;o) * Which .. reality .. does not make it true or false only - pointed, and decidedly so = finally.
The meaning of your life is up to the individual and people who know you nothing to do with an imaginary mind that supposedly created the universe just enjoy your conscious experience you don't need to have faith in unproven gods and religions to enjoy life...
While I do think that people ultimately discover purpose, I don't necessarily understand why it is impossible to discover purpose without Christ/god being involved. Non believers are quite capable and even possibly more capable of finding meaning in life because they don't need some priest telling them what to believe and how to believe it. Personally I find it insulting to have a man, as a member of a group of priests who are going to pay out $880 Million to young victims of sexual predation, to tell me about finding meaning in life.
10:06 "I would be able to say that the member of the resistance was in touch with proper value" How do we demonstrate this? It corresponds with my intuition, but lots of things that agree with my intuition turn out to be wrong. With other objective arguments, we can show each other the object, examine and test it. We can make hypothesis about it, and test it. The sun seems to be a giant ball of gas and everything we throw at it corresponds with the theory. How do we do the same with the values of the resistance fighter against the occupier?
Life is meaningless if the lives of those you love are meaningless. And of course the lives of those you love are meaningless if love is meaningless. And love is meaningless if love is not the truth. And if love is not the truth, then it’s not God. And only Jesus confirms that love is the truth and God. And only Jesus confirms to be all that and if the logic of that truth does not set you free, then it’s not God prohibiting that, it’s you.
@@convinceme6676 1st of all, asking for proof of God’s existence is between you and God. 2nd of all, even Thomas, an apostle of Christ needed similar evidence and asked to put his hands on the wounds of the risen Christ before he’d believe. So it’s not unheard of to demand such an obvious case. To say Christ is baseless is like an atheist trying to make a case for moral and ethical behaviors without anything but subjective evidence to go off of. Christ, is God. The ultimate objective Truth that is Love. That God, whether you believe in Him or not, is the most based archetype by definition of His objective nature that is eternal and infinite, a foundation for all. It’s not simply a claim for God based on Jesus, the Jewish understood this as well. Socrates understood the separate character of Truth weaved throughout the universe as well. There’s no reason to play devils advocate, plead ignorance, as if you can’t comprehend why 85% of the world is theist, with 78% of humanity having a belief in one of 5 main religions teaching principles of love, with 70% of the world having a belief there is a God of Love, with 1 of every 2 people you meet believing in an Abrahamic version of God, And one out of 3 having a belief in Christ, and over 1 billion being Catholic. There’s no shortage of a basis in today’s age for spiritual beliefs when quantum mechanics is convincing scientists to accept the theoretical realm without any hard material evidence to go off of. In this internet age, to pretend as if suddenly all historical evidence for Jesus vanished negating every Christian’s justification for their belief, is quite simply as miraculous a claim as the risen Christ. You must lie to yourself to walk this Earth, prowl the RU-vid’s comment section, on a video like this, then claim, Jesus is a baseless God. I’m not suggesting that by popular demand, if we all jump off the cliff, to believe in Jesus, that you should too. I’m simply saying that your claim that Jesus is a baseless God is absurd. The basis for Jesus, aside from the apostles, martyred for their belief, and the mere fact it’s the largest organization to successfully represent their people for the longest period of time, unlike all 100 of the last empires (governments) to exist…I digressed…the basis for Jesus is Love. If you think there’s anything more real, more True, than Love, please share. To tell your family, friends, or even that person looking you in the face when you stand in front of the mirror, “I Love You”, & then pretend that’s a baseless claim, is not doing anyone a favor or a service. Again, to Love anything, implies you love yourself. To Love yourself implies you know Love. To know Love & decide not to love, Love itself, is a lie. “Beloved, let us love one another; for love is of God, and he who loves is born of God and knows God. He who does not love does not know God; for God is love. So we know and believe the love God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him. We love, because he first loved us.” 1 John 4:7-8, 16, 19 RSV-C
@@Truth.n.Love.is.God.BCatholic. you made claims and pointed to the bible, why should I care what the bible says. It’s just more unsubstantiated claims. The fact that you’re a Christian has more to do where you were born than anything else. If you were born in India, you’d probably be a hindu and if you were born in Iran you’d probably be a muslim.
3:16 Nonsense. Aligning with Christ has nothing to do with good or bad. They were good people before Jesus was born and good people in part of the word who never even heard of Jesus. On the other hand people who had done the worst crime on humanity had faith in Jesus. What do you say about that.
his argument is effectively beg the question fallacy but in a more subtle way. every point he is making he is trying to say that atheist actually look towards something like a believer worships and obeys something, and then asserts with no basis that the ultimum that the atheist look up to is god.
13:00 no, what you said was absolutely stupid. People wants to make money and to live a better life for themselves and their close on has nothing to do with religion. It never dead. People live peace blue without religion for a long time.
He explained...that there is an invisible man...up in the sky...who sees everything you do...every minute of every day...he's all wise and powerful. and he needs money..all knowing but some how he just can't handle money...
@@Toreadorificationhe’s paraphrasing George Carlin. He didn’t listen to a word of the logic, which is why he isn’t addressing it. Leave him be. He’s got everything figured out already.
@@kbeetles Hi KBeetles. Don’t be silly… Of course I’m not a slave to my habits, and I don’t ‘worship’ my habits (whatever that means). It’s just that morals are not involved in many basic habits, such as getting up in the morning. That is, the notion of morals is not involved in this. [It is true, that for some people, such as exhausted medical residents (in the old days) during medical training, had to make the ethical decision to get up and treat patients. Or an elderly transplant surgeon, with aching arthritis, might have to force themselves to get out of bed in the middle of the night, in a blizzard, to go to the hospital and save someone. Or tired parents might force themselves to get up and go to work, so that they have money for their kids, which I think of as involving morals. But that is not what I was talking about. Just getting up in the morning might merely be a habit. Cheers.]
For me it's getting ready to go to mass...not even my alarm clock can wake me up...but if you say we going to mass...I am all ears. I am just weird. I trying to find my role on this EArth. It is not easy
@@marisol033 Hi Marisol. It seems for you, getting out of bed can be a moral act. [This is a nice counterexample to my situation. ps Hang in there… you’ll eventually find your way. Cheers.]
🤣Atheist: "In my _personal, subjective_ moral view, it's _NEVER_ moral to dump a 64 oz soda over a stranger's head without any provocation. How about you?" Xian: "My _objective_ morality agrees, of course." Atheist: "I also feel that it's _NEVER_ moral to make two bears attack and rip apart 42 children for teasing a man about his bald head. Does your 'objective' morality agree?" Xian: "No, because God does that in the bible. So for me to assess _that_ act as objectively immoral would be to admit that God acted immorally. But that's a strict taboo, because it would reveal my true belief that Man _can_ judge God and then anyone could take note of all the biblical slavery, torture and carnage by God's hand & command and _righteously_ judge God - and Jesus via trinitarianism - to be a malicious, malevolent, mass-murdering _monster._ I can't go there." Atheist: "Would you like to change your earlier answer about the soda or stick with your weird moral priorities? Never mind, let's cut to the chase: are there _any_ acts that you feel are _truly_ without excuse?" Xian: 🤔 "I guess there's just one: disobedience."
It has become clear: the biblical stories of the Flood, 10 Plagues, Exodus, Wanderings and Conquest are myths, as well as most of the characters in those tales. Noah, the Patriarchs, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Lot, Moses, Aaron, Josuha: all myths. It's all there on Wiki. But then how do we evaluate the scores of New Testament passages which refer to those events and people as genuinely historical? The biblical Jesus believed in Noah's flood and apparently the rest of "scripture." Either he spoke those words - and was wrong - or they were put in his mouth by way of forgery.
Or they are all true. Why are fossils looking like they all drowned? Their bodies are contorted AND the fossils could have only been formed by a sudden change in soil. Deer don't fossilize in nature, but decay rapidly. Modern science has done some interesting things, but in the real world and real problems, things become extremely difficult to predict. Just look at the weather.
@@joshua_wherley here, among other places: "above and the moral law within that when6:29you Inuit it these great values it's6:31like a it's an epiphany it's a it's a6:34showing it's a breakthrough and that's6:36 What Gives Life Meaning when you say6:38well I'm going to invent it for myself6:41to me it's just it's very tiresome and6:43vacuous and and uh small it's a little 6:46it's a small space Augustine talked6:49about the pcil anima the little soul and" No moral law from your god. Christiains can't even agree on what morals their imaginary friend wants. No "little soul" or any soul at all. No need for this cult to have meaning at all.
@@egilskallagrimsson2941 You mean how you keep telling yourself you have an imaginary friend and that "someday" it will return and punish those people who dare disagree with your cult's lies? Curious how your imaginary friend does nothing at all, Egil.
Sorry boys, but I don't listen to the lost and confused. But things like morality and meaning are purely subhective invention. They don't tie to anything known. They are whatever you think they are. They mean whatever you decide they mean. Everyone gets to choose. Everyone gets to be right. Nobody gets to be wrong. If they were objective realities everyone would agree. You two are in love with the sound of your own voices and get paid to talk. So you will never never never stop talking. I could write another 20,000 words.but it would be a pointless waste of my time. I have already flown way over your heads.
There is something that you do not invente, that make you save a baby instead of a painting in a fire for example. May be you dont see it. But does not mean does not exist.
Absolute zero, that is the point at which all molecular motion stops - minus 459.67 degrees Fahrenheit, or minus 273.15 degrees C. Scientists have even developed a special scale for extremely cold temperatures, called the Kelvin scale, where zero Kelvin corresponds to absolute zero. There is an absolute objective reality in the universe, despite all relative elements that are derived from the absolutes. Whether or not we can grasp it, is a different question.
If morality is subjective why do you feel compelled to argue with people who think morality is objective? Do you feel morally compelled by to argue over what you think is subjective?
@@brendancoulter5761 Obviously, the same reason you feel compelled to watch and read what you find enjoyable and not read and not watch what you don't, despite being aware that your artistic taste is subjective. Not to mention, even if you act like morality is objective, that doesn't prove it actually is objective.
Allow me to expound. Meaning is not intrinsic. It's extrinsic. It is ascribed. We make it up. Individually and collectively. Meaning is where you find it. Meaning about the same thing can be different for every person. It's completely arbitrary. There is no meaning. Robert is way more confused than the other guy. He thinks there is this grand easter bunny hopping around the universe planting eggs with special messages written on them for us to figure out and meant only for us. Bob is also into the tooth fairy and Santa Claus so we'll cut him some slack.
Proverbs 18:2 "A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion" I’m unable to reconcile what you wrote to what Bishop Barron was talking about? I’m certain you will tell me how dumb I am and that you are somehow operating on a higher plane of existence and understanding of biblical principles. I’m curious, brother. Where did you attend Seminary, or study theology? Not being facetious, just want to know where you acquired this higher, or occult, knowledge?
