A Bishop and an Atheist Discuss Meaning | Within Reason Ep. 22

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Welcome to Within Reason, a new weekly podcast dedicated to broadly philosophical discussion with expert guests.
Bishop Robert Barron is the bishop of the Diocese of Winona-Rochester and the founder of Word on Fire Catholic Ministries. His website, www.WordOnFire.org, reaches millions of people each year, and he is one of the world’s most followed Catholics on social media. His RU-vid videos have been viewed over 125 million times, and he has over 3 million followers on Facebook.
Bishop Barron joins host Alex O'Connor to discuss the "crisis of meaning" we might be living through, the reducibility of purpose to evolutionary drives, the conditions for salvation on Christianity, and whether God can be accurately described as analogous to a tyrannical dictator.
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Alex's previous debate with Bishop Barron: • Bishop Robert Barron &...
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0:00 Introduction
4:51 The Crisis of Meaning
17:39 Are we Just Driven by Evolutionary Drives?
30:55 Death
41:17 What if Someone Struggles to Believe in God?
44:18 Jesus Christ and the Conditions for Salvation
1:02:43 Is God a Tyrannical Dictator?
1:09:41 Outro
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@CosmicSkeptic Год назад

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@watch-Dominion-2018 Год назад

not until you stop funding gas chambers

@User-bl5cw Год назад

Talk to Avi. He can discuss nutrition and ethics with you - and hopefully even help you with the problems you specified.

@SuperLemonfish Год назад

I miss the cosmic skeptic who was willing to have tough discussions with people he disagreed with. The skeptic who honestly searched for truth and tried his best to be a good person. It seems like thats gone now, you refuse to discuss this gigantic issue further or ask for help or criticism of any kind. its so unlike you. Unsubbed

@HelloThere-xx1ct Год назад

I don't enjoy these types of general conversations with fundamentalists because they are dishonest in nature. As a Catholic, this guy believes very specific things that are demonstrably wrong. I really don't care about his philosophy. He is a bishop in one of the most harmful organizations in human history. He is a leader in a cult, plain and simple. This man is celibate because he thinks that is important his 3,000 year old Canaanite god and he lives his life to promote that others make similar decisions. It's nice that he's read some philosophy books but it doesn't seem to have helped him not devote his life to promoting obvious delusions. I'd really like to hear more about how his philosophy interacts with his association with the Church and its many falsehoods. Asking him large philosophical questions allows him to launder his insane beliefs through an hour long conversation. In reality asking a pointed questions like "Can a man come back from death", will reveal the only answer you will get is some version of because the bible tells me so. Because that's all there is to being a Christian. He doesn't get to tack on all this extra stuff because God's scared word isn't good enough to convince people.

@mojo449 Год назад

I am happy you are opening up to other ideas. I really respect that.

@treytrapani9813 5 месяцев назад

I wish this was how all religious/atheist dialogue played out.

@brightroarttttbbbb Месяц назад

Atheism is the world's biggest dead end. A person who denies the existence of God contradicts himself. Because humans are naturally weak and in need of shelter. They cannot solve most of their problems. People also face many problems that they cannot solve. Sometimes illness, sometimes loneliness, etc. They experience problems. Most people believe in God and they are the only ones who respond to those who ask for help. Existence is Allah, He accepts prayers, there is great harmony in the universe, the sun, the moon and the stars. Could these happen by chance? The last religion, Islam, says that Allah is one and the same. Islam values brotherhood and cooperation.

@magnusfiskvik509 8 дней назад

Yes agreed! Wonderful discussion this!

@ThumpingThromnambular 6 месяцев назад

I really like the spirit of this channel. It seems to me it is most oriented toward truth rather than some aggressive bashing of someone's beliefs for the sake of it.

@TheTruthIsAbsolute 5 месяцев назад

@Netomp51 3 месяца назад

I’m a devout Catholic and I love listening to Alex, he’ll find the truth…

@davidevans8242 2 месяца назад

Alex has always been a class act. He’s the most epistemically humble atheist I’m aware of.

@leo--4341 Месяц назад

i think it’s inevitable when ur beliefs have real world implications

@JGComments Месяц назад

Or bashing the person he’s talking to.

@adastra123 Год назад

Devout Catholic here from Ireland 🇮🇪. Subscribed . I have listened to both sides of the arguments for past 6 years or so. Eventually coming back to catholocism. I love atheists that interrogate my faith as hard as possible. I love it more when my faith can withstand it.

@mariasheena5225 Год назад

❤️❤️❤️

@rosiegirl2485 Год назад

Beautifully said! ⚘️

@ZhangK71 Год назад

Fair enough sentiment

@guzmanvitar5382 Год назад

Im an atheist who is profoundly in love with traditions of the west, including many of the fruits of judeo christian culture. Also been enjoying the two sides of this argument.

@frisco61 Год назад

So do I. It only reinforces my belief because I always find that at their core, vast majority of them possess only a caricature understanding of Christianity. And it’s intellectually pathetic.

@nonchalanto 10 месяцев назад

Bishop Barron is such an amazing communicator. I haven’t believed in God all my life and I’m still not quite sure what I believe, but his exposition is very compelling. Major props to you Alex for having this discussion honestly and respectfully.

@owena7434 5 месяцев назад

He should have said what the argument for naturally selected values was missing when he called it reductive

@S3.14codm 4 месяца назад

I would say the same thing about Barron but religion was something I was born into, so to me it just sounds like words are being repeated… since I stepped away from religion I’ve talked to people that still had faith and it doesn’t help. Let’s just say they always tell me the answers are in their book but when there’s a tough question I have it’s either “nobody knows & only god knows, there’s a reason” (even though nobody knows the reason also), preaching or deflection, a request to just have faith or all of the above but not knowing something doesn’t help me because I’m getting back into something blindly & refuse to do that. All I can say is, if it helps you feel good? Go for it, just don’t be a butthole to those who are different because people being who they are isn’t all by choice

@nonchalanto 4 месяца назад

@@S3.14codm ⁠I understand that you’re frustrated when religious people give you non-answers to the hardest questions. But I think that honest, intelligent theists come closer to answering questions about meaning than anyone else. I tried extracting meaning from the Sam Harris/Richard Dawkins/Christopher Hitchens type of philosophy, and there’s just… nothing there. Materialism is philosophically absurd, and there is clearly a realm of meaning. Whether God is at the root of it, I’m not sure, but I’m starting to lean in that direction. It’s not blind faith in anything, any more so than you have “faith” that you’ll wake up in the morning when you go to sleep. Do you have evidence that you will wake up? No. Do you believe that you will? Yes. Thats the kind of faith that’s talked about.

@S3.14codm 4 месяца назад

@@nonchalanto the waking up part in your comment isn’t all that great, it just sounds like Feel Good words making it seem like it’s miraculous. Yes tomorrow isn’t promised but when it comes to this I could only see it as chance or a case of probability rather than a miracle. I know there’s a possibility of me waking up tomorrow based on observation of reality e.g. wars? diseases? cosmic catastrophic events? etc. also for me it’s evident that the activity or action of waking up has been done for about 10000 days already, so it’s very likely that I will wake up tomorrow but this differs to each person depending on what is going on with or around them unless there’s a cosmic event then yes we’re all dead. I know there’s a possibility of me not waking up tomorrow because of the acknowledgment of things that’s observed that can take life… Now the question is: have I ever observed a spiritual activity or a supernatural natural phenomenon? No, not once so I’m still going into it blindly being that there’s nothing of it that can be observed. When I say I never felt or experienced anything relating to religious belief people with faith will pin this on me “but did you try”, “you weren’t a real Christian”, “you probably ignored the experience or signs” or the ol “you’re going to hell” scare tactic… again if something makes people feel good, why not. I have a belief in a god (agnostic? If that’s the word) not to feel god though. one can say I sit with the atheist being that I don’t side with many words from many other theist especially those who are very religious

@S3.14codm 4 месяца назад

@@nonchalanto i feel like religion might be for you, it seems that these what I call feel good words bring you joy or whatever the case may be! I would suggest it… but I don’t have faith waking up tomorrow, anything can happen

@lukehardin9 Год назад

I know that this is a deeply unpopular opinion, but as a lifelong skeptical seeker of God, I’ve found that poetry brings me infinitely closer to faith than purely rational argument, and in that sense there are few modern religious thinkers that I enjoy listening to more than Bishop Barron. Great content, Alex!

@John.Christopher Год назад

The good, the true, the BEAUTIFUL

@dreistheman7797 Год назад

Right, and that beauty, that deep feeling, is what God wants us to experience. These “objective values” that Bishop Robert Barron was describing.

@jkm9332 Год назад

Join the kingdom and family of God!

@TerenceClark Год назад

Except I find beauty in art and poetry and nature, among many other things, and at no point do any of those things drive me closer to a god. I understand your general sentiment, but I don't find it a particularly valuable approach in terms of drawing me toward a conclusion. And I'm not particularly fond of people who imply that just because I don't believe there's a God behind it I'm somehow unable to experienced depth, beauty, or awe. I know the original commenter didn't imply that, but the replies were certainly trending in that direction.

@tomlabooks3263 Год назад

Luke - we are just beginning to understand the neurobiological reasons why what you’re saying here is 100% true. Iain McGilchrist’s “The Master and His Emissary” is a gem and it discussed this topic.

@Sveccha93 Год назад

I'm a non theist and found this a very beautiful and honest discussion free of animosity. Very refreshing.

@hamzaharfaoui1411 Год назад

Arabic native?

@Sveccha93 Год назад

@@hamzaharfaoui1411 يا ريت! مع الأسف لا. ا

@veganevolution Год назад

It's actually all superficial.

@Sveccha93 Год назад

@@veganevolution ok dad

@teresaamanfu7408 Год назад

What is he calling objective value. I have difficulty listening to these religious jorden petersonesq types. The Bible as literature is fine but without evidence of an actual god,…

@andrewlamb3585 Год назад

As an atheist who was raised Catholic who returned the the Catholic Church as a 30 year old, I appreciate that you are giving Bishop Barron the time. While Jordan Peterson caught me while I was atheist, Bishop Barron secured my return home. Thank you for the podcast!

@liamhutfles4113 5 месяцев назад

😬

@FelipeGonzalez-xb5db 5 месяцев назад

The same here ❤

@Federal_Bureau_of_Investigatio 5 месяцев назад

oh shut up@@liamhutfles4113

@youlig1 5 месяцев назад

@@liamhutfles4113 reason you say? But reason is not what you do...

@laleydelamor1327 Год назад

KUDOS to Alex’ mother for raising such a beautiful and emphatetic human being! I’m catholic and all I see in Alex is beautiful loving soul and human being! 😇

@Siska0Robert Год назад

I couldn't agree more. I followed both of these individuals before they crossed paths and I can't get enough of this style of discussion. Mutual understandement and compassion is what's the most missing in this world.

@lancetschirhart7676 Год назад

Yeah he's a looker

@rationalmuscle Год назад

Such a lovely post. Thank you for sharing.

@PatrickSteil Год назад

Seems Alex is searching for Truth. Praying he will get all the way there :)

@harrykimura9830 Год назад

I see a lost soul that should REPENT, humble himself and believe in Jesus.

@RobotProctor Год назад

Most people in Alex's shoes would not have said they started eating some animal products again; they would just keep up a charade. Alex didn't. He communicated openly about his struggles even though he was strongly incentivized not to go through the personal attacks for that.

@tyrannicclub4200 Год назад

Precisely! Everyone bashing Alex for not being open should seriously take a moment to consider why Alex would even come out in the first place.

@asagoldsmith3328 Год назад

@@tyrannicclub4200yeah the toxicity of some of these reactions is quite akin to when someone becomes an apostate

@tyrannicclub4200 Год назад

@@asagoldsmith3328 This too. I wonder how many people presenting such a vitriolic reaction are themselves apostates; I think a nonzero number of people and I feel like that’s so hypocritical.

@Cor6196 Год назад

@@asagoldsmith3328 Same exact thought, Asa. I wonder too if there’re other ideologies - political parties and systems, for example - that inspire such deep hatred of the “apostate.” In philosophy, on the other hand, it’s hard to imagine a hard determinist working up a vicious attitude towards a free-willer, a Stoic spouting violence against an Epicurean! But who knows? Human nature can be endlessly confounding!🤷‍♂️

@MrAllmightyCornholioz Год назад

He was making excuses to murder animals. Alex is SMART enough to consult a doctor or a health expert BUT he spent all that time talking to a DIET FAD advocate. He never mentions about going to see a certified nutritionist because he knows it's better to lie by omission than it is to straight up say "No, I didn't did enough research to find a health expert because I rather simp to Mikayla Peterson."

@AntoniGregor 3 месяца назад

Alex. This interview is amazing. This new format is perfect. Keep going. Thanks for letting Barron speak openly about the Faith. Amazing questions and answers.

@briansguitarsongs9619 9 месяцев назад

Alex, I'm very impressed with your intellect and your graceful open-mindedness. I'm an evangelical Christian and your insights are refreshing. Bless you 😊

@gristly_knuckle 7 месяцев назад

I saw Jesus in a film, and she was the most beautiful and distracting person ever. She created a desire in me when I didn't need anything before. Alex, too, has a sort of theatrical Jesus-esque presence.

@jasonstrange1490 5 месяцев назад

You know Jesus is a he gristly.@@gristly_knuckle

@adjd1576 4 месяца назад

I'm impressed that after all this he can still be atheist.

@jkherold63 6 дней назад

You are listening to a conversation between a Catholic priest and an atheist. Are you sure you're an Evangelical Christian?

@galacticfarmer4272 Год назад

Alex leans towards an interview rather to an actual debate/discussion. Some views of the invited speaker are challenged, but only to a certain extent. This is interesting because we open space for people to express their thoughts in a more linear way. Of course, sometimes I'd like to see a few more rejoinders, but it's an interesting format anyways. Excited for the next episode :D

@Lamster66 Год назад

I think if Alex went all in, it would decend into a heated exchange and be a very short conversation. By standing off, he gets Bish to say a lot more and allow us to hear his views.on the subject. Whilst Bish could never convince me otherwise of my Atheism I am intrested what makes otherwise intelligent people fall for it.

@baizhanghuaihai2298 Год назад

@@Lamster66 It seems that it’s often one of the following: 1)obvious emotional desperation for a stable foundation of meaning; 2)some sort of revelatory experience like psychedelic use or a NDE; 3)rigid and often abusive indoctrination in childhood combined with limited capacity for critical self-reflection.

@zapkvr0101 Год назад

@baizhanghuaihai2298 the catholic church certainly relies on number three.

@Lamster66 Год назад

@@baizhanghuaihai2298 I think Alex was pretty close when he implied some people needed something to escape the inevitability of our deaths. I'm sure It's something we all think about at some point and contemplate that we will no longer be here.. For me the trigger is usually something like an old piece of TV News footage, say of WW1. I watch the grainy B&W footage with the realization that most likely everyone in that footage is long dead, and the reasons they were fighting practically forgotten, as time extinguishes the traces of their existance and of those that knew them. Now 4 or 5 generations on they exist only as images on film and of passed down stories of their existance and of the things they did. I usually then start think about how long ago my own parents and my grandparents died and how time marches on without them. Then I think about how I've now lived longer than I have left. (Thats sounds really depressing put like that) I know that over the next 2 or 3 decades most of the people I know or know me will be gone. And like most of us there will be nothing to indicate that we were ever here. The rich and famous survive in peoples memories a bit longer due to their reputations or their work. But eventually even they will be forgotton and become just a name connected to a fact.. And this I think what bothers some people. Some people need to believe that, its not the end that they will continue in some form. Because it gives their life a reason or purpose. Other than Growing up Going to Work and having Children. Because for most of us that is our existance. The other things we experienced or did in our lifetime for our own pleasure or gratification will be lost too when we are gone. I guess some of us just accept that is what it is.

@baizhanghuaihai2298 Год назад

@@Lamster66 I realized LONG ago (I am almost 40, you seem maybe younger than I), that I am a nameless faceless peasant in history, and it was a deeply comforting thought, it relieved me of the burden of feeling like I needed to make the most of my life. It doesn’t bother me to just let my survival instinct keep me going til my time comes. Doesn’t bother me one bit. Depression happens when people have the expectation that they are important. When you realize you aren’t, it feels better, much lighter.

@VampireSquirrel Год назад

Ipso facto: The fact itself 8:50 Summum bonum : The greatest good 15:10 Liturgy: the form of the worship cordis homo : heart of man 49:45 enantiodromia: the tendency for things to change into their opposites 1:01:24 Agere contra: acting against 1:01:40 ipsum esse: "being" itself: as in existence itself 1:03:25

@Thesteadfast Год назад

Can you do this for all BB videos? He does love his Latin.

@timothywilliams4089 Год назад

@@Thesteadfast Nil carborundum illegitimo,..'don't let the bastards grind you down'....

@VampireSquirrel Год назад

@@timothywilliams4089 That grammar hurts...

@timothywilliams4089 Год назад

@@VampireSquirrel My late brother, he had many such informative translations.

@borneandayak6725 Год назад

Love it, thanks. Jesus bless ❤❤❤

@GerrardAtgoogle Месяц назад

Probably every Christian is a doubter at heart, but sees reinforcement through "The One that has risen". Alex is contemplative and humble, the Lord bless his soul. Blessings to Bishop Barron to continue proclaiming Lord's Glory.

@Piercetheveilnow Год назад

Alex, that was extraordinary. I couldn’t stop listening. This Catholic thanks you for asking very good questions and masterfully hosting this conversation.

@matheussalim5652 2 месяца назад

As a Catholic, great questions! I love genuine questions from atheist/non-christians/Catholic. The harder the better! (As long as they are genuine)

@filkspline1740 Год назад

I can’t wait for Alex to turn into a devote catholic lmao

@garythefishable Год назад

I have also called this 😅

@lllULTIMATEMASTERlll Год назад

He won’t.

@tennicksalvarez9079 Год назад

Hmm

@squeegybeckenheim2489 Год назад

Why so sure about it? Alex is open to the possibility he stated more than once.

@mt000mp Год назад

@@lllULTIMATEMASTERlll what if he did?

@alaricpagel2756 Год назад

Wow, that was a fantastic interview. Really enjoyed the insights and perspectives of Bishop Barron. Thank you.

@FartPanther Год назад

Thanks Alex, I'm glad you are producing content, I knew from another video you've not had an easy ride of late! Much love and support. I wonder if Alex (if you read this) you would consider talking to intellectuals from other faiths, I think you are a very honest person with a lot of integrity intellectually and I wonder if you are getting mellow in your old age or if you have a soft spot specifically for Christianity compared to other beliefs you find implausible. I was more than a bit put out by some of the repetitive unchallenged lack of substance to done of the conversation. Your gentle questioning was dismissed, sidestepped and gishgalloped at times, his personal bias and arrogance meant the priest could not even have the decency to credit people with other views and opinions as really being convinced of their own views. Shocking, self defeating and shallow. The intellectual fortetude of a toddler. "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ― Aristotle

@isaac1572 Год назад

@@FartPanther Excellent interview Alex. You are gentle enough to encourage Bishop Barron to express his beliefs to the point of unproven opinion, through to the contradictions of the nature of God. You have sufficient knowledge of the Bishops beliefs to coax out his arrogance and 'holier than thou ego'. The christian faith story appears to be becoming more flexible over time to facilitate new scientific and phycological understanding. However the resurrection story will always doom it to fantasy, unless that too is one day explained as a metaphor.

@johnbrzykcy3076 Год назад

@@isaac1572 Why do you think "the resurrection story will always doom it to fantasy " ? I assume you mean the resurrection of Jesus necessarily negates the truth of Christianity? I see the opposite. I think the resurrection of Jesus, although rejected by most scientific evidence, is the foundational cornerstone of Christianity that supports the beliefs of Christian faith. So inflexibility in regards to the resurrection is actually something positive. I do agree that the resurrection of Jesus may be interpreted as a metaphor but I think a rejection of the historical crucifixion and bodily resurrection of Jesus would nullify the basic beliefs of Christianity. Respectfully...

@tommore3263 Год назад

@@FartPanther Bishop Baron and Catholicism are philosophically based on Aristotle and Aquinas. Bishop Baron addressed all points. Lots of us find mindless matter in meaningless motion, 18th century materialist worldviews as simply and manifestly absurd. And so they are. The existence of God , as Bishop Baron can show anyone, is easy to demonstrate from evidence and reason alone. Free willed rational beings are not the unintelligible cosmic accidents proclaimed in a frankly dehumanizing way by materialist atheists. Its an incoherent worldview and check out the Marxist atheism - based solutions for the worst world slaughter in all of history. Your animus towards Bishop Baron is obvious and unwarranted. But he actually studied Aristotle. And understood him as did Aquinas. They built the west and the modern.

@johnd.shultz7423 Год назад

@@johnbrzykcy3076 Magical thinking at its best...

@JobinJacobKavalam Год назад

Thank you Alex. You asked some really pertinent questions. As a practicing Catholic, the conversation really helped me to deepen my faith.

@jamescarr4662 11 месяцев назад

sneaky....

@gristly_knuckle 7 месяцев назад

IF Jesus's message ever caused anyone to hate god for being a fat, drunken, self-absorbed ointment waster, then he deepened your faith, for your hate was love.

@Scribble336 3 месяца назад

And I the absolute opposite.

@anneturner2759 Год назад

Looking at this again …. Honestly I could listen endlessly. Pretty please ….keep these magnificent discussions coming. Thanks to you both.

@inolvidablee Год назад

Great interview Alex. You gave enough contrast (pushback) in order to go deeper while being transparent and letting your guest speak his mind. Congratulations!

@orenji196 Год назад

I’m so so happy you’re back to making videos Alex! I loved this conversation as a Christian viewer with a lot of questions. I appreciate both you and Bishop Robert Baron for being willing to take on the tough questions and just have an open discussion about it. I really look forward to more discussions like these!

@terrinbertholf9262 9 месяцев назад

What a fantastic interview. I love the respect and thoughtfulness of both Alex and Robert to discuss and work through tough questions together. We need more of this.

@elitistbananadictator Год назад

Even as a devout Christian, I find Alex a very respectable man that articulates ideas in a very intelligible way. I wouldn’t change this man one bit!

@paulhurley9475 Год назад

Well, I see your point, but I desire the highest good for him, so I pray for his return to the Catholic faith.

@elitistbananadictator Год назад

I also see your point, as Christian I wish the same, but Christian or Atheist, he is still very intelligent and charming

@lastsaint4162 6 месяцев назад

Nah! My Religious trauma will never let me go back to your ideas

@michael-4k4000 6 месяцев назад

Alex is a fraud! Jesus believes in you even if you can see him in the moment 🙏. God bless u all.

@jimmorrison2657 5 месяцев назад

@@michael-4k4000 "Jesus believes in you even if you can see him in the moment" - How do you know this? I mean how do know this specific piece of information? I don't think you do really know it. I think you have just made it up because you think that's how it should be.

@Lerian_V Год назад

Bishop Barron gave Alex a shoutout at a recent Heritage Foundation Lecture speech.

@supme7558 10 месяцев назад

Gross

@michaelbrickley2443 7 месяцев назад

Amen….people need to be challenged. People need to be tested and He certainly does that, allows, perhaps, actually is instrumental in our testing. Shalom😊

@fromthemasses_tothemasses 4 месяца назад

Ugh Heritage Foundation?

@philsurfmoresinclair9297 Год назад

The gentle and seemingly obvious deep respect shown toward each other is perhaps the most beautiful lesson that one receives regardless of the wide polarity of views. Thankyou both.

@johnbrzykcy3076 Год назад

I agree with you. I try to be respectful and non confrontational in my comments with people of different beliefs ( such as Muslims ) and atheists too. One reason is because I don't know it all !

@hunter_lite Год назад

Absolutely. The evangelical fundamentalist sector has poisoned the well here for many nonbelievers (too busy packing for the rapture to read much?). We should not forget that there are many Christian humanists and responsible deep-thinking religious folk. They get overlooked frequently as they don't make as much noise.

@johnd.shultz7423 Год назад

@@johnbrzykcy3076 obviously you do "know" jesus was ressurrected from death on a cross,plus i would find it difficult to listen to a representative of a religion(the catholic church) rife with pedophiles and their protectors, as childrens lives mean much More to me than "civil discourse"...

@supme7558 10 месяцев назад

Asif he even comes close to alex

@supme7558 10 месяцев назад

@@hunter_liteas they should they dont add anything

@simonjonasmusic8410 5 месяцев назад

Outstanding. It's really a joy to see such a respectful conversation between two persons with vastly different backgrounds. Thank you for posting this

@JoBo301 Год назад

So glad that Alex is back and it seems he found an interview format and style of questioning that enables him to absolutely shine, what a beautiful soul he is becoming.

@jefferymuter4659 Год назад

Bishop Baron is one of the rare ones that does such a surgical extraction on the ideas/philosophies that intrigue me, but ultimately feel wrong in a way that's oft difficult to describe without thinking on it intently for a bit. Doing that on the fly mid-convo is really a kind of masterclass on that level of abstract thinking. Kudos.

@StuntpilootStef Год назад

I'd say he puts too much emphasis on feelings. It's all well and good that he feels Hamlet is some sort of transcendent work, but he has no real reason for it besides him wanting it to be true.

@coryharasha Год назад

@@StuntpilootStef Perhaps one can consider that subjective feelings have the capacity to transcend our reasoning and calculation capabilities at the cost of precision and confidence in correctness. Feelings help us approximate answers that are currently too difficult to define and answer so we can take action in a reasonable time. For example, it is difficult to rationally calculate what food is most optimal for health but feelings can be very helpful for finding guidance. There is a balance to be struck between feelings and reason as feelings help us act in helpful ways to achieve our goals with limited data while reason helps us improve the accuracy of feelings to take more optimal actions. For example, we may feel that Oreos are most helpful for our health but reason can correct that feeling. Similarly, reason may say that we don't need to eat carrots today but a feeling may provide insight that there is something in carrots our body is currently requiring. Although if all reason is providing is a dismissal of feelings because they cannot be rationally validated or understood, then this is worse than the feelings themselves because it eliminates the capability of taking reasonable actions. For reason to properly correct a feeling, it must provide a better solution, in my opinion. For example, if all reason does is say Oreos are bad and doesn't provide an alternative food to eat, it's better to eat Oreos until we find a food that's more reasonable.

@StuntpilootStef Год назад

@@coryharasha "subjective feelings have the capacity to transcend our reasoning and calculation capabilities at the cost of precision and confidence in correctness" This is just a very convoluted way of saying guessing exists. Like I said, he wants it to be true, that's why he believes it. He has no rational basis for it at any level. He's not just less accurate or in balance with rationality, he has literally no other reason.

@coryharasha Год назад

@@StuntpilootStef I disagree that he has no rational basis as it can be rational to believe in one's feeling as containing more comprehensive data than can be analyzed consciously. For example, animals lack rationality but have the feelings necessary to survive in many environments that humans would struggle to survive with reason alone. They are "guessing" in a sense of the word, but their guesses seem to work really well. Similarly, I'm not sure atheism is sustainable evolutionarily. The religious guess so to speak seems to be very powerful for leveraging feelings to motivate survival and cooperation especially in times of great suffering where the less connected to feelings may opt for solutions such as suicide or anti-natalism. Reason minus feeling has the end of death because feelings are the reason to live.

@StuntpilootStef Год назад

@@coryharasha He's not using a fight or flight response to guess his way to an answer, he's purely using what he wants the world to be. Maybe he's born with it, maybe it's make believe. And you're right, make believe is very handy. If you think a tiger is going to eat you and run away you don't die for being wrong. False positives are not punished, while false negatives are.Luckily, we don't live in a world where we're constantly being attacked by tigers anymore, so your example isn't applicable. It's also fucking insulting to suggest atheists are unable to cooperate or will kill themselves in times of strife. But please, don't use such convoluted words to say simple things, you're not fooling anybody. Just talk like a human being.

@tommore3263 Год назад

Bishop Barron for Pope. Deep ,deep thinker who arrives at answers.

@lindsayhickman9604 Год назад

Here Here!!

@carpediem5232 Год назад

@@JudeMalachi Why are elections held for the pope at all if it comes down to Gods will? Why not just roll dice, draw lots etc.?

@andrewlamb3585 Год назад

AGREED, AMEN.

@brycebensing Год назад

@@carpediem5232 cardinal can mean pivotal (note how also this word's base is pivot), important, but it's base origin in latin means hinge, a pivot. where something turns (cardinalis). The cardinals are the hinge/pivot with which the direction of the Church, guided by the Holy Spirit (which is God, not just a part of Him) turn towards to, by the election of the successor of St. Peter.

@carpediem5232 Год назад

@@brycebensing Yeah seems convenient, that the way a pope is chosen again seems to be 100% explicable by human behavior and actions. How for example can people be petty sure that the next pope will be African? These assumptions are based on geopolitics not any insight into Gods mind. I am aware of church structure and know Latin (from school and university), but instead of a"sign" by God given plausible deniability the process of choosing a pope falls onto over the centuries often blatantly corrupt human actors. Are you suggesting that the holy spirit also was corrupt in the instances where clear corruption can be documented? Or do you have a cop out, like "the holy spirit was on vacation in summer 1492".

@blumusik9572 Год назад

I listened to your original debate with Bishop Barron and appreciate your willingness to delve into these very deep questions. I was so touched by the fact that you revealed you were raised Catholic, rosary and all. This discussion was even better in particular around finding objective meaning and final causality. Loved it!

@BloggerMusicMan 6 месяцев назад

I love this conversation so much. Both people involved clearly like each other and want to build on top of each other, even where they disagree.

@jamespeterson7125 Год назад

I find it interesting that Bishop Barron so firmly stated that he thinks that Alex's thinking was biased by an underlying need to prove materialism while not recognizing the possibility the opposite could be true within himself. It really broke down for me when he dwelled so long on saying he couldn't believe that Alex actually held particular viewpoints. In the end the Bishop stated far too often that he "just can't believe" certain things and that he thinks certain connections between concepts are just too thin. It's essentially an admission that he was choosing to ignore actual arguments for wanting to believe in something he finds beautiful.

@tripp8833 Год назад

I think what Barron meant is that Alex's belief in materialism/reductionism is counter intuitive to his own personal experience, which he discounts to follow this stream of reductionist thinking.

@MrCmon113 9 месяцев назад

>while not recognizing the possibility the opposite could be true within himself Yeah, dude literally dedicated his life to defend the indefensible. A massive effort that kind of debunks itself as it only further illustrates the inaction and impotence of his deity.

@petarivancic6482 6 месяцев назад

@@tripp8833Great answer. I was baffled long time until now of what Bishop Barron was trying to explain there, this comment makes it clear, thanks

@billwilliamson1506 3 месяца назад

@@tripp8833Yet he still referred to Alex’s perspective as ‘reductionist’. Barron made it clear that Alex’s perspective just doesn’t satisfy him or his views on the arts. Ironically, it’s not reductionist to say “the basis for human actions ultimately derive from biological factors”. If it is, then Barton’s statement on God’s love is also reductionist as having only come from a creator.

@peterhardie4151 Год назад

I am not an atheist or a Christian but I like these two talking to each other.

@theflyingspaget 11 месяцев назад

Do you follow one of the other theistic faiths?

@VirgoBirrane Год назад

Fantastic dialogue. Alex asking the right questions and Bishop Barron offering poetic and learned answers. Please have another back and forth in the future together

@Camalonious 10 месяцев назад

Great conversation, Alex. Thanks to you and Bishop Baron for sharing.

@snokehusk223 Год назад

Good conversation. Bishop Barron is a good priest. God bless you.

@rustin6830 Год назад

I enjoyed the conversation very much! 💙 Thank you both

@Plumsouffle 11 месяцев назад

Fascinating use of incredulity as argument. Great conversation, Alex. Thank you.

@richardbloemenkamp8532 4 месяца назад

I'm not a christian, but bishop Barron is a great person. Also Alex did a great respectful interview keeping the right balance between too shy and too aggressive.

@nannakurzhaar Год назад

what a deep discussion! I admire the pace... I can follow and think through it but I need to watch it several times usually .... very nice video 🥰

@joshuathomas512 Год назад

Yes more podcasts incoming! Something great to listen to on the commute, can't wait for more from this madlad

@niraulaj Год назад

Wow! So amazing to see The brilliant young mind and not so young wise mind in a sincere dialogue. This kind of dialogue and not discussion is needed where there is mutual respect for each others world view and belief. Thanks for giving this beautiful hour of my life. Looking forward to such conversations.

@donaldnavatto9890 3 месяца назад

Thank you to both of you for this interesting conversation. You asked very thoughtful questions and Bishop Baron is eloquent in his answers. I enjoyed every minute of this podcast.

@E-Biz Год назад

As a believer, I really appreciate this open discussion. You are asking the right kind of questions with just the right amount of pushback allowing Barron to give a thoughtful opinion or explanation. I've learned a few things about Catholicism that I haven't even learned on Barron's channel. Cheers!

@t.d6379 Год назад

All you need to know is it is the one true church founded by Jesus on Saint Peter. Fact.

@theologyofthebody2870 Год назад

God bless you Alex! You’re heart seeks Bishop Barron Preach!

@henryspragge Год назад

Fantastic conversation! Love the approach you are taking. Debates are great, but I feel like they often stifle conversation more than they are conducive to its production. This discussion approach is very easy to follow, natural, and leaves me much more thoughtful and less closed off in my mind. Keep it up Alex!

@sethfreeman1845 Год назад

We’ll done, Alex! An excellent conversation. Keep up the fine work.

@JohnPatrickWeiss Год назад

Lovely and thoughtful conversation, thank you

@Xaeveax Год назад

Love the idea of weekly podcasts.

@tiotavopregunta502 11 месяцев назад

Awesome and respectful conversation,well done.

@drgrahambeards9776 7 дней назад

Such an intelligent discussion !

@Joe_mangina Год назад

This was honestly eye opening as an atheist. Mainly the crisis of meaning issue.

@wet-read 6 месяцев назад

Meaning is inescapable. The more profound stuff many think of when the word is mentioned, especially in this context, revolves around existential issues and hangups. But not everyone experiences all such issues and hangups, nor do they do so in the same fashion or to the same degree. Btw, an atheist wrote the best book on meaning one could ever hope to find.

@panickysociety97 3 месяца назад

@@wet-readwho.? Which book.?

@wet-read 3 месяца назад

@@panickysociety97 The man: late atheist philosopher Quentin Smith The book: The Felt Meanings of the World: A Metaphysics of Feeling (1986)

@1mjourney 7 месяцев назад

HI Alex, thank you for sharing this podcast. Enjoyed it very much. It is interesting to watch you evolve over the years. Many Blessings to you and your loved ones. May you find your peace.

@zanecote 2 месяца назад

As a Catholic myself I found this conversation to be excellent!!! I loved the questions and the responses. I myself feel like I learned A lot

@rachelboccio2717 2 месяца назад

Alex, I am a huge fan of Bishop Barron. But I came away also a fan of you. Wonderful interview! Thank you for your honest inquiry and thoughtful, challenging questions.

@jamessaltlife Год назад

Nice to see you back man

@Venaloid Год назад

24:18 - Robert might as well be arguing that fishes' feeding behaviors could not have evolved because sometimes that behavior causes them to bite baited hooks and get themselves killed.

@thescoobymike Год назад

Facts

@ninjanarwhal4488 Год назад

that logic doesn't follow

@YLLPal Год назад

@@ninjanarwhal4488 exactly, that's the point

@bobjoneswof Год назад

That is not comparable.

@silberwolfSR71 Год назад

If you think that argument is analogous you've misunderstood his point (or maybe I have). He's not arguing that sacrifice couldn't possibly be behavior evolved through natural selection because one particular act of sacrifice has a negative effect on the propagation of that particular individual's genes. Rather, he seems to appeal to the intuition that such an act of sacrifice, while perhaps having its roots in evolutionary social adaptations, is more than just a direct mechanistic result of the evolutionary process. To add a bit more grounding for this intuition, I would argue that the act of sacrifice is in this case not at all aligned with base instincts. In fact it is in direct opposition to the very strong instinct for survival. My reading of the event is that it was neither an ingrained reflex nor a calculated strategy for maximizing some sort of genetic advantage. The main motivating factor in the decision to sacrifice himself was the belief that it was the "right" thing to do. It is an act towards a pure ideal rather than a pragmatic, adapted response. Not only is explaining it purely in terms of biological rules not doing the act justice, but it also misses part of the picture, it's not a full explanation. All that being said, I think that the evolutionary pressures at the base of all this may not be sufficient, but still necessary. If not for the need to live and cooperate in social groups, would we have evolved the ability to feel empathy? And without empathy, are we confident that we would have arrived at the same general moral scaffolding that we find ourselves with? Where sacrificing yourself for someone else is considered "good"?

@johnbrion4565 Год назад

Just found this channel. Never knew about Alex before but now I’m subscribed. I really enjoyed your questions and can really tell you just want to seek the truth. Very beautiful conversation. Thanks.

@esperthebard Год назад

This was a fantastic conversation, thank you!

@johannaquinones7473 Год назад

I loved this conversation❤

@FrankBott Год назад

your format gave me a chance to listen.. and ponder thoughts.. there was time to think and reflect and not feel any negative combative energy. thank you.

@Olivier1 Год назад

Beautiful and enlightening. Loved the objectivity and effort coming from each side.

@scottscheper 5 месяцев назад

This is such a fantastic dialogue. Thanks Alex. And I also like the new brand.

@anneturner2759 Год назад

Thoroughly enjoyed the soul food. Thank you both . I love these spirited talks, very interesting to see the two deep souls talking to one another.

@TheUltraGamer98 Год назад

Coming up next in a community post from Alex: "I've been incorporating some religion in my life. Mostly but not exclusively, catholism"

@GrrMania Год назад

hahaha 😂

@smilloww2095 Год назад

😭😭

@Noise_floorxx Год назад

Yeah you got the ego portion right since you seem to imply that you know better about how he should care for his health

@chrismcgowan5180 Год назад

@@Noise_floorxx we are just thing stars are made of. But to the point..he probably knows more than Alex about his health

@xyzmediaandentertainment8313 Год назад

In 3 years time Alex will be meat loving, patriotic, Bible thumping, gun toting Texan 😂

@maverick7291 4 месяца назад

Both have been great in expressing their thoughts in a clear and polite way. Both being nice at listening each other and waiting their turn.

@mariequinlan Месяц назад

Thank you Bishop Barron. Your teaching with hope along with reason is very insightful and makes me want to learn more.

@merynor1 Год назад

Very meaningful conversation. Bishop Barron expound it clearly and meaningfully. Love this discussion.

@Brandon-vg7pl 7 месяцев назад

Man im enjoying this debate/conversation. Im glad us atheists have Alex to articulate our thoughts and doubts. I love that hes respectful and not aggressive. BB is a phenomenal person and a perfect person to have this conversation. Loved every bit of this.

@Amphigoura 2 месяца назад

Thank you for this respectful honest articulate exchange.

@mikemallett64 Год назад

That was an awesome discussion and proof that an atheist and a Christian can have a thoughtful and polite exchange of ideas. Kudos to you Alex and it seemed like a light bulb went off above your head at the end of the discussion when talking about the nature of God. Good luck to you in your search for TRUTH.

@ac1646 9 месяцев назад

Alex created this RU-vid channel to have awesome discussions.

@markwilliams3679 Год назад

Up next: alex converts to Catholicism, jokes aside I really enjoyed you and bishop baron, you should do one with Matt frad from pints with Aquinas next.

@schnabelite Год назад

32:15 - 1:03:22 spiritual aliveness... that metaphor is so damn beautiful! thank you sincerely for the interview.

@justintejeda369 Месяц назад

Excellent conversation conducted by two intelligent individuals in a respectful and honest manner. Rare and much needed. Regardless of your beliefs this is worthy of respect.

@danielandrews7561 11 месяцев назад

Excellent discussion! Epiphany dense! Thank you both!

@AwakenedMan Год назад

This is such a good listen. Despite BB and Alex coming from very different starting points, you get the feeling BB values his time speaking to Alex, almost like a father and son

@almasakic1148 11 месяцев назад

yeah you can see it in Alex's eyes that he loves BB

@drrickmarshall1191 3 месяца назад

Alex being a more than respectful father.

@TorqueBow Год назад

I have watched this 3 different times. I am a Christian. I have been profoundly moved by this conversation. Thank you.

@FrancoEzequielPaez 4 месяца назад

Great conversation! Thank you!

@swarming1092 Месяц назад

Fantastic episode Alex. Big fan of Bishop Barron and of many of the episodes I've seen of yours too. Really enjoyed this.

@Toothbrush732 Год назад

I'm not religious, and I don't think I agree with much of what the bishop was saying. But I really enjoyed this interview. It's made me think about things I haven't before and it was a good exploration of ideas. Keen to listen to more episodes of this "new" podcast.

@nicksibly526 Год назад

Great work Alex, you're asking the right guy the right questions. Keep searching!

@phenixorbitall3917 2 месяца назад

Top conversation. The bishop gave good answers and you asked good questions 👌

@roberthellebush8775 8 месяцев назад

This is an excellent discussion and you, Alex, are a uniquely talented interviewer. You draw the deep from your guests and you avoid confrontation. This arises out of your talent for listening to your guest (or opponent). Please keep going forward...

@tommore3263 Год назад

I studied western philosophy and the case for God at a good university and I believe , am convinced that Bishop Barron with his philosophical ground in western realism is exactly right in his understanding. It really is possible to show the existence of God from evidence, like change, and sound arguments. And I enjoy Alex's respectful engagement. I anticipate that Alex will come to see that his concern for animal suffering which is a very real thing, will come to see that it is the essential goodness of reality that affirms that deep ground of being Who calls us to appreciate goodness, beauty and truth. This really does require the reasoned answer of monotheism. I also found Catholicism to be solid as a rock as Christ founded His church and this despite any human failings of members which will of course always be there to some degree.

@Darth_Vader258 Год назад

God is LOVE ❤️, and He LOVES both Animals and Humans. So when we go to Heaven, we will see our pets in Heaven.

@BlacksmithTWD Год назад

Why can't it be a reasoned answer of polytheism?

@tommore3263 Год назад

@@BlacksmithTWD Hi. The unity of experience and existence mitigates against many 'gods' as they would all have to be united in existence by something like the God of monotheism. In like manner deism has a wrong outlook on causation or intelligibility. Ed Feser does a very good job really answering the God question, and it really is something you can actually know for sure on the evidence alone. The argument for monotheism has never been refuted and it predates even Plato. Its the most important question and the most important answer obviously to get right. Here's a link to Prof Feser giving a quick summary of the argument. Its solid. But take your time and be sure you understand as you delve into it and be demanding. I sure was and I wasn't disappointed . The lights went on in the universe. Cheers and good luck ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Z5PjiS1MJM8.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4cLM0N002wI.html

@trafficjon400 Год назад

@@Darth_Vader258 Is darths son going

@rudysimoens570 Год назад

There is not a shred of evidence for the existence of ANY god or Allah or whatever name they gave to their non-existing celestial dictator! Since evolution is proven to be a fact beyond a shadow of a doubt we know that we are nothing but a species of apes nothing more nothing less so ALL religions and ALL their stupid and often cruel doctrines can ALL be thrown right in the trash! And what a stupid and cruel christian doctrine anyway! Here we have an of course non-existing God who after waiting more than two hundred thousand years since the Homo sapiens came into existence finally decided to reveal himself to all humanity of the whole world and to forgive all our imaginary "sins" by killing his son. Couldn't "he" just forgive our imaginary sins without having to kill his son? After all he is supposed to be "almighty" so that could not have been a hard problem for "him"! And why kill his son if he was already planning to resurrect him anyway? So Jesus just had a bad weekend! Can it be more stupid? And at what time was the non-existing "soul" "blown" in the head? Was it in the head of the common ancestor of the Homo sapiens, the bonobos and the chimpanzees? Or was it in one of the many hominids that existed? We still carry a small amount of the DNA of some hominid species in our genome!!! But let's settle the argument forever! Call Jesus back and let him perform all his so-called "miracles" in a lab under scientifically controled circumstances. That can't be too hard to do since he is resurrected so he is still alive and he probably lives somewhere on a planet in another Galaxy!

@vi5264 Год назад

What an incredible conversation Alex! Thanks for sharing.. 🎉

@johnbrzykcy3076 Год назад

I agree with you. I'm happy to see these two scholars in conversation. I prefer non-confrontational discussions. Peace to you and your family.

@slackster999 3 месяца назад

Fantastic conversation…kudos to both men.

@oscarlopezjr3 Год назад

He seems a lot more calm speaking with Bishop Barron this time around. Great questions by Alex. This conversation is packed with wisdom.

@lo5182 Год назад

Wow! This was a good conversation.

@entertainingideas Год назад

I'm so happy your putting out content again! Hope to see much more from you, keep it up!

@benjiejohn 11 месяцев назад

What a rocking interview (kept rocking me back in my heels)!!! Great pair you two.

@navadasha 4 месяца назад

What a beautiful conversation.

@user-us6mr8dd2s Год назад

You guys made my day. Didn't expect to see two of you talking again

@TheRationalCarpenter Год назад

BB is a gem.

@michaelryan9833 11 месяцев назад

He really is. It is well, it is well with my soul to listen to the Bishop. I love it. Also: often Atheists and agnostics (Harris, Hitchens etc.) ultimately decline into sarcasm and "smart alecky" quips but Alex does no go there and I greatly appreciate and respect that about him.