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@rodents34
@rodents34 29 дней назад
If it is legit...its a humanity changing innovation.
@markeh1971
@markeh1971 29 дней назад
Hi, so an EV with real equal range (if not better) to petrol vehicles (500w/ Kg) becomes a true turning point. It also has a 18,000 charge cycle life and charges at low temperatures @-20C and a 4c charge rate, according to the Viking. Never mind Tesla all the manufacturers will want it, car and truck and plane. Take care all M.
@eric9069
@eric9069 29 дней назад
no, they stole it from us.
@duanehorton4680
@duanehorton4680 29 дней назад
@@markeh1971 500 watt-hours/kg, not 500 watts/kg.
@markeh1971
@markeh1971 29 дней назад
@@eric9069 well it’s out the bag if they are running it. No IP. Take care M
@chasl3645
@chasl3645 29 дней назад
​@@eric9069How
@MrEV
@MrEV 29 дней назад
Love your work, Sam. This is very exciting! Remember it's *watt hours* per kg though. I get a nervous twitch every time I hear "watt per kg"!
@Myrslokstok
@Myrslokstok 29 дней назад
Yeah that hour part is important. How do you format in bold!
@Macmonkey1000
@Macmonkey1000 29 дней назад
He knows but does not care, I think he enjoys yanking our chains 😃
@PETERJOHN101
@PETERJOHN101 29 дней назад
​@@Myrslokstok Bold is done by putting an * on both sides of a word or sentence... the asterisk *disappears* when the comment is posted.
@Myrslokstok
@Myrslokstok 29 дней назад
@@PETERJOHN101 Ohhh *thanks* it makes stuff easier to read!
@dewiz9596
@dewiz9596 29 дней назад
⁠@@PETERJOHN101well, *son of a gun*. Wow. Nice if it works. . .
@Stonefeather53
@Stonefeather53 29 дней назад
Smart from CATL to give you personalised up-to-date information.
@warpcode
@warpcode 29 дней назад
Also known as a press release
@zes7215
@zes7215 29 дней назад
no such thing as smax or etc or not, ceptuxuax, think, do, outx, can think, do , out x etc any nmw and any s perfect
@rwyo83
@rwyo83 29 дней назад
CATL didn't give him any extra details from what we already knew
@pietersteenkamp5241
@pietersteenkamp5241 27 дней назад
@@warpcode YEs, but you can say you have achievement something when the largest battery manufactured on earth includes you in the email list! CATL does have approaching 40% global market share and produce more than BYD/Lg Chem put together!
@whynotstartusingyourbrain8726
@whynotstartusingyourbrain8726 27 дней назад
@@rwyo83they did not send him an email. He is a liar.
@MichaelSmith-px1ev
@MichaelSmith-px1ev 29 дней назад
500 Wh/k is mind blowing. The pace is crazy. Put these in trains, buses, massive semi trucks no issues. Domestic air travel is even possible now.
@brucemitchell5637
@brucemitchell5637 29 дней назад
BAHAHAHAHA!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@JoshuaMcTackett
@JoshuaMcTackett 29 дней назад
@@brucemitchell5637what do you haters live for? Seems like you're all very busy bringing people down. Not the life I'd choose for myself.
@william2220
@william2220 29 дней назад
@@JoshuaMcTackett @brucemitchell5637 is living proof that the education system is failing.
@1InVader1
@1InVader1 29 дней назад
Trains don't need batteries lol. We can just put power lines above tracks - just as we did for the past 50 years here in Europe. Even in buses you only need the battery if it's a long distance connection outside the city. Ya'll need to stop gooning to electric-whatever and just stop to actually think for a sec.
@Gunter_Custom
@Gunter_Custom 29 дней назад
There's always a battery break through every week . So far 100% of those haven't come to manufacturing volumes at any scale other than prototypes .. these included.. 😂😂 ​@@JoshuaMcTackett
@Jaw0lf
@Jaw0lf 29 дней назад
This is absolutely amazing news, if it is really being used in the trucks that would show how well they can work. Hope we see more information on the trucks, range and batteries. This would be a game changer.
@booobtooober
@booobtooober 29 дней назад
Incredible even if it only has 1000 cycle life BUT 18,000 cycles is revolutionary and unimaginably disruptive
@vcapo6782
@vcapo6782 29 дней назад
Solid state has one huge advantage that will keep its development justified, it doesn’t explode or catch on fire. Pretty important if you want to put on an airplane where nowadays they limit even your laptop batteries.
@PETERJOHN101
@PETERJOHN101 29 дней назад
Current LFP tech is dramatically safer than jet fuel.
@skywire5595
@skywire5595 29 дней назад
Good 👍👍 ..CATL also notice your channel .
@sv6k0a39
@sv6k0a39 29 дней назад
I can't wait for these batteries to trickle down to ebikes and scooters.
@PETERJOHN101
@PETERJOHN101 29 дней назад
What are you talking about? I bought my ebike almost two years ago. 😂
@frankmayer3299
@frankmayer3299 26 дней назад
​​@@PETERJOHN101he means that he can't wait til these batteries get into bikes and scooters.
@ask_sigma6
@ask_sigma6 29 дней назад
Wow... you have direct email correspondence with CATL!... Cool! You're our inside man Sam!... because they know you're in the know... Now we know, they know... I'm amazed on how we can always count on you to deliver the goods first very often more than anyone else... Hats off to you, thanks for all your cutting edge insights... Where we get the news, hot of the press...
@MrGorgefla
@MrGorgefla 29 дней назад
CATL has hit the holy grail.
@chriswarren-smith62
@chriswarren-smith62 29 дней назад
They were so far from home, so how were they to know?
@stefan2796
@stefan2796 29 дней назад
They just won the Vaporware award of the year 2024...
@themogget8808
@themogget8808 29 дней назад
3 of them. There are 3 different CATL batteries hitting the market in the year - sodium, improved LFP, and condensed aviation batteries. They do different things at different price points. There is no single silver bullet or holy grail, but these each are an amazing innovation on their own. Together they solve nearly all the battery applications I know of, from grid storage to airplanes.
@themogget8808
@themogget8808 29 дней назад
@@stefan2796 As in making a vaporware real? Other companies have been talking about batteries for aviation and fast charging and grid storage (3 different batteries here) and CATL is actually making all three of them, for real, right now at least in pilot plant volumes. This is not a science prototype on a lab bench.
@johnwest7993
@johnwest7993 29 дней назад
No mention of projected price means it's meaningless. When I see both a production battery *and* a bean-counter's actual projected production price that's reasonable, then I'll believe. Until then it's just a glossy marketing handout. It sounds like the CATL marketing department was feeding him this, and he was just reading the promotional literature. I want thoughtful, thorough evaluations, not marketing crap that fails to mention price. And I honestly don't care what a $20,000 battery pack might be able to do. I want to know what a $2,000 to $3,000 pack can do. Then I can buy an EV I can afford.
@TotoNut
@TotoNut 29 дней назад
amazing that catl took the effort to write to you.
@holdon4992
@holdon4992 29 дней назад
Not really. It’s business and social media cannot be ignored. It’s simply a press release probably using a form letter format they send to any site that is relevant. If true, great. Otherwise it’s just another form of marketing.
@johnpro2847
@johnpro2847 29 дней назад
I will be rude here.."useful idiot" is often the expression used
@brucemitchell5637
@brucemitchell5637 29 дней назад
EV manufacturers are ALWAYS looking for shills to promote they're crap. LOL! 😂😂😂
@robertfonovic3551
@robertfonovic3551 29 дней назад
Are you serious?😅😅
@vasthefox
@vasthefox 29 дней назад
Someone in the communications department at CATL must have made the decision that a RU-vid channel with over 100 thousand subscribers should get an email. It's not like they flew him over to China. It's just an email and this channel is popular enough. The criticism of this channel in the comments is actually a good thing for relevance as per the the RU-vid algorithm.
@okzz666
@okzz666 29 дней назад
"CATL sent me an email" 😂 that should have been the title
@stevennelson7518
@stevennelson7518 29 дней назад
My loud, with deadly poisonous fumes, expensive to operate gasoline generators have been replaced by silent green energy LiFePo battery solar generators. My electric bill was replaced 20 years ago by green energy solar panels. My gasoline weed whackers have been replaced by battery powered weed whackers. My gasoline leaf blowers and lawn mower have been replaced by battery powered ones. My gasoline powered vehicles are being replaced by EVs. My battery powered bicycles are on order. Three obsolete expensive to operate and maintain gasoline powered vehicles and two jet skis are left to sell. RIP ICE.
@kccorliss3922
@kccorliss3922 29 дней назад
Ultra clean natural gas engines are available 🤷‍♂️
@bossman6174
@bossman6174 29 дней назад
I did the same thing. Next month the last hurdle will fall with a heat pump for my house. It feels good and it CAN be done. No problem. Good job @stevennelson7518. My wife still has a Hybrid vehicle but it is just rusting in the driveway as she is always taking my EV for anything.
@FeldwebelWolfenstool
@FeldwebelWolfenstool 29 дней назад
Good for you. I live in Canada. I'll keep all my gasoline-powered stuff. And you can have all the self-congratulations.
@robertfonovic3551
@robertfonovic3551 29 дней назад
Onanists of the world rejoice.
@cherrytreepermaculture756
@cherrytreepermaculture756 29 дней назад
​@@FeldwebelWolfenstool I live in Canada and have done the same as the OP.
@Flickerbrain
@Flickerbrain 29 дней назад
Amazing! Seems like every comment I write on watching your videos lately start with "Amazing" Things are moving so fast!!
@hanswitvliet8188
@hanswitvliet8188 29 дней назад
This kind of capacity is needed for semi trucks!
@tgdomnemo5052
@tgdomnemo5052 29 дней назад
If it works in a comercial aircraft ... it'll work just fine in any truck 😉
@hanswitvliet8188
@hanswitvliet8188 29 дней назад
@@tgdomnemo5052 I mean, current EV semi (Mercedes, Volvo, ) are useless jokes.
@widodoakrom3938
@widodoakrom3938 29 дней назад
True
@dr.x4050
@dr.x4050 29 дней назад
ALL trucks that tow.
@markeh1971
@markeh1971 29 дней назад
Hi, it’s now just adoption that is the hold up. Tesla Semi works, Pepsi are doing the proving in real life not the lab. You can see that there will be a move over due to the price advantage, as well as the legislative move against burning stuff and having to breath that in. Take care M
@MrkBO8
@MrkBO8 29 дней назад
From CATL's Thursday Announcement Department! Can hardly wait for the Friday Department's announcement!!
@markeh1971
@markeh1971 29 дней назад
Hi, you missed it actually working in a vehicle in China. So not just hype but supposed real life. Take care M.
@ohger1
@ohger1 29 дней назад
🤣 I'm staying up all night!!!
@douglaswatt1582
@douglaswatt1582 29 дней назад
Sam please fix your units. It's kilowatt hours per kilo and again you have to distinguish between pack and cell level. No way that somebody is getting 500 watt hours per kilogram at the full pack level. That's probably a cell level figure, so you have to observe these two distinctions. Watts is power rate kilowatt hours is energy level and the distinction again between Pack level and cell level energy density. Last but not least in terms of misleading claims if you put a hundred kilowatt hour battery into a Tesla Model 3 it would get 20% more range than the current vehicle if the battery weight was exactly the same. If it weighs significantly less, you might get 30 to 35% more range, but even that may be optimistic. That does not remotely translate into a thousand miles of range. Not even close. Please reIn in these wild speculative statements - they are actually hurting your Channel
@petercrossley1069
@petercrossley1069 27 дней назад
Even if it cell level it is still phenomenal so stop moaning.
@bakeredwards
@bakeredwards 21 день назад
Why let the truth get in the way
@580guru
@580guru 20 дней назад
Didn't he say 1000 kilometer range...not miles?
@dianapennepacker6854
@dianapennepacker6854 20 дней назад
It is 500 Wh/kg. Not kilowatts. Not sure why you're saying he is wrong with that. I have no idea cell or pack level. It is whatever most manufacturers compare it to when talking about these things. Amprius also has new batteries that reach that level. 504 wh/kg of gravemetric energy density or 1,300 watts per liiter of volume. The claims he is making is straight out of the manufactuers mouths I think by the way as I have heard them before in other videos. GT p Except that range thing he said. If a Model 3 was getting 100 miles for 100wh/kg. Then you put a 500 wh/kg battery with all other metrics being the same into it. You would get a car that does 500 miles in a perfect world. As the Tesla 3 in the example was getting one mile per watt hour. Anyway Sam was right as far as wh/kg which is why these batteries are a big deal. I THINK they are mainly going to be squeezing the aircraft industry for the moment though. I thought there was a 720wh/kg already in China? That is my only question on this video. Does that not hold the record or is it since it was just a lab battery?
@Alarix246
@Alarix246 11 дней назад
CATL wrote 205Wh/kg. Sam says that Elon said what needs to be achieved is 500W/kg. Do notice the missing "h" in the latter statement. Watthour isn't the samee as Watt.
@ericschmidt6440
@ericschmidt6440 27 дней назад
Dear Electric Viking, The unit for energy density is "watt-hours-per-kilogram". Don't forget the "hours" when talking about it in your videos. You seem to forget the hours while speaking. The energy density of this CATL battery is really incredible - but that will most likely be connected to a cost. We need to hear about the price, too.
@haint7709
@haint7709 29 дней назад
Battery tech and the potential for specs that impress us. That is where I've slways focused. How and where they are used is secondary to me. Industries will find a way to utilize them, at a profit. Thanks for all your work, E.V. (I see what you've done there ;))
@eugeniustheodidactus8890
@eugeniustheodidactus8890 29 дней назад
Not a 747 ! The image shown by CATL is that of a regional class turboprop, which typically carries 50 passengers or so.
@PETERJOHN101
@PETERJOHN101 29 дней назад
Right. There is in fact a battery powered plane in commercial service built by an Israeli company, an 8 seater. It's called ALICE and it's been in service for two years now.
@restfulplace3273
@restfulplace3273 24 дня назад
Good spot. We will see a resurgence of large seat capacity prop powered passenger aircraft
@restfulplace3273
@restfulplace3273 24 дня назад
@@PETERJOHN101there’s a few others, some flight school and contractors who specialise in short haul flights suited to the battery range are using battery powered electric aircraft Def an area to watch as it will grow
@junkerzn7312
@junkerzn7312 29 дней назад
The condensed matter battery does have very high energy density, but it is also about 10x the cost of their regular lithium batteries (such as the Shenxing 2 LFP battery). That is why it is focused on aviation. If they are putting it in trucks then I'm guessing they are just demonstrators, not an actual commercially-deployed product for trucks. 4C charging means 1/4 of an hour from empty to full. 1C = 1 hour from empty to full. The C-rate only relates to "range" when you also take into account the size of the battery pack installed in the vehicle. No matter the size of the pack, 4C means the entire pack can be charged from empty to full in 1/4th of an hour (15 minutes), for a range of XYZ (size of pack x 3 to 4 -ish). In terms of cell life. LFP cells basically don't die, they just lose capacity slowly over time. Current LFP cells are generally rated around 3000 cycles at 80% depth of discharge per cycle to 80% of original capacity (after the 3000th cycle the battery has 80% of its original capacity). In an EV LFP technologies today can hit 6000. So 18000 is not actually that much of a stretch. However, even though the cells might not die, the power electronics connected to those cells certainly will. This is the true limiting factor for a LFP battery pack... the BMS and power electronics inside the sealed battery and not so much the cells themselves.
@GON-lu4me
@GON-lu4me 29 дней назад
SoH of LFP decreases to 80% of original capacity in less than 5 years according to the real users in China. this is huge for passenger and commercial cars which are used for over 10 years. It's simply true that LFP battery is inferior to NCM
@markgu4165
@markgu4165 29 дней назад
@@GON-lu4me your source for this claim?
@junkerzn7312
@junkerzn7312 29 дней назад
@@GON-lu4me You are welcome to post a reference to back-up your assertion, but you're gonna have a bit of an uphill climb proving an assertion like that. In fact.... I have stationary LFP batteries about 3 years old now myself that are sitting roughly 98% SOH vs when I originally got them. They are cycled daily at roughly 50% DOD (off-grid application). If they're gonna lose capacity, they better do it quickly to match your assertions.
@duanehorton4680
@duanehorton4680 29 дней назад
@@junkerzn7312 Back up, not back-up.
@dennispeterson6598
@dennispeterson6598 29 дней назад
What's your source on the cost? And how many are they producing right now? As they scale up, the cost will go down by some percentage with each doubling of accumulated production, just like all other batteries. At least until they get down to the cost of raw materials.
@LelandPratt-nw9ix
@LelandPratt-nw9ix 29 дней назад
A short time ago we were lucky to go forty or fifty miles on lead acid batteries that were “lead weights”. They took their own sweet time to charge and were lucky to last longer than a couple years at fifty percent efficiency. Now we’re just icing the cake, not saving it world!
@johneehan749
@johneehan749 29 дней назад
Another advantage is benefit to the residents nearby the airport. The noise will is a friction of current noise level.
@lennyvalentin6485
@lennyvalentin6485 28 дней назад
An electric aircraft powerplant sized for a large aircraft will still be pretty noisy though, one should keep that in mind. You need to pump huge amounts of air very fast, which will mean noise. But yeah, certainly less noisy than kerosene-fueled turbines though. :)
@sang3Eta
@sang3Eta 27 дней назад
Drones are very noisy for their size. Making an aircraft electric doesn't make it quiet.
@lennyvalentin6485
@lennyvalentin6485 27 дней назад
@@sang3Eta If you're ever heard a piston engine model aircraft, you would agree that the drone actually is quiet in comparison. :D It's not quiet on an absolute scale; it's quiet on a RELATIVE scale. ;)
@sang3Eta
@sang3Eta 27 дней назад
@@lennyvalentin6485 the other problem with lithium batteries on a plane is that lithium melts through aluminium air frames like a hot knife through butter.
@lennyvalentin6485
@lennyvalentin6485 27 дней назад
@@sang3Eta No that's not correct, you're probably thinking of thallium. Regardless the lithium in a battery is encased by multiple barriers and casings, and worrying about it is just silly. After all, aircraft fuel burns hot enough to melt aircraft airframes easily, so you should worry more about that methinks.
@themogget8808
@themogget8808 29 дней назад
We are talking about different batteries here, developed for different applications. Instead of putting the same lithium batteries in everything, there is a special cheap battery (sodium) for budget EVs and bulk/grid storage. There is a special automotive battery (LFP) that is more expensive, but is very durable, higher energy density, and very fast charging. There is a special aviation battery (condensed state), which is extremely high density, but will be so expensive it will only be used in airplanes and the highest performance luxury cars. Maybe in the long run, the aircraft batteries come down in price enough to be used for other applications, but even if they were free to make the supply/demand laws will have them bid up price by demanding application by aircraft due to constrained supply. The good news is that these specialized batteries are bringing clean power to more and more applications, accelerating the energy transition.
@alibro7512
@alibro7512 29 дней назад
It has always been just a matter of time before battery technology developed to the point where ICE cars were redundant. We're not there yet but I believe it will happen in the next ten years.
@PETERJOHN101
@PETERJOHN101 29 дней назад
Even with current LFP tech we have price parity with ICE cars due to the efficiency of batteries over combustion, ie, fuel savings and near zero maintenance over the life of the car.
@blasterguam
@blasterguam 11 дней назад
Yes, we are getting there. By 2028-2030 we should start seeing mostly EVs
@JimmyOKennedy
@JimmyOKennedy 29 дней назад
You are right, it is unbelievable. Show us the evidence in some real production batteries. Maybe after a car manufacturer has implemented them, can we see real evidence.
@BillMitchell-lm8dg
@BillMitchell-lm8dg 29 дней назад
Hmmm.... Does Sam Evans think "Wh" means "watt"? It means "watt-hour", Sam, a unit of energy!
@budawang77
@budawang77 29 дней назад
An easy mistake to make. I’m sure he knows the difference.
@robertfonovic3551
@robertfonovic3551 29 дней назад
​@@budawang77 don't count on it.
@whowhy9023
@whowhy9023 29 дней назад
We all know, relax.
@donaldduck5731
@donaldduck5731 29 дней назад
As a rocket scientist I’m smart enough to know what he means. Thanks for the heads up Bill, a bit tragic though.
@shk4090
@shk4090 29 дней назад
You must be an engineer to be so precise 😂😂😂
@archiebunker5256
@archiebunker5256 29 дней назад
WATT HOUR not WATT. CATN shown you numbers in Wh.
@BillMitchell-lm8dg
@BillMitchell-lm8dg 29 дней назад
RIGHT! "Wh" is NOT watts. It's watt-HOURS - a unit of ENERGY, not power (which a watt is).
@grantbuttenshaw
@grantbuttenshaw 29 дней назад
Per kg
@aaaaa5272
@aaaaa5272 29 дней назад
Yea, he has clearly not understood exactly what he is talking about.
@perperers2502
@perperers2502 29 дней назад
@@BillMitchell-lm8dg You don't need to make silly corrections. Everyone knows it's watt hours when talking about energy but it's hard to find people still using the hours extension when talking about batteries.
@AORD72
@AORD72 29 дней назад
Sam is thick.
@erhuforever
@erhuforever 29 дней назад
I have no doubt that CATL's condensed battery is real and already in production. The question is cost. The fact that it is currently deployed in commercial trucking application hints it is quite expensive.
@malcolmrickarby2313
@malcolmrickarby2313 29 дней назад
As they are a very big producer already , they are in the best position to scale up to affordable levels very quickly. There will be an enormous demand if the price is available for cars.😊
@guidodraheim7123
@guidodraheim7123 29 дней назад
The Shenxing is in production, CM prototype is not.
@tenj00
@tenj00 29 дней назад
Actually the opposite. Customers would spend much more for airplane batteries, but if they are already in trucks they must be affordable. I wonder how this will pan out.
@markthomasson5077
@markthomasson5077 29 дней назад
@@tenj00true, but trucks would be good to test it, before using for aircraft
@boembo6627
@boembo6627 29 дней назад
Why? are commercial truck companies stupid with money?
@rand49er
@rand49er 29 дней назад
I would like to see an independent verification of this and a discussion of the technology used.
@terryward1422
@terryward1422 29 дней назад
Imagine the impact on renewable energy projects. The grid storage version would require less battery units, provide power to the grid for more hours reducing the cost of the entire project. Lower cost grid solutions could help speed up the adoption of renewable energy solutions on a global scale. There is a lot to think about here...
@4203105
@4203105 12 дней назад
Lower cost grid storage with a battery that costs 10 times as much?
@tewrgh
@tewrgh 29 дней назад
This was announced a year ago. There isn't a commercial product yet. I'm not sure this qualifies as news. No disrespect but The Electric Viking needs to Google first, then create videos.
@PETERJOHN101
@PETERJOHN101 29 дней назад
He made the vid because CATL reached out to him.
@FaceSalmon
@FaceSalmon 29 дней назад
Thank you:)
@brunoblanpain
@brunoblanpain 29 дней назад
Hi Electric Viking, just to mention to you that in Belgium the RWD longrange is also for sales - TESLA confirms on its website that the range is 600km. Keep up the good work!. Best Bruno
@rodmitchell831
@rodmitchell831 29 дней назад
Thanks so much........Great news Sam
@anguscampbell1533
@anguscampbell1533 29 дней назад
If this is true then it should reduce the weight of EV's then? Reducing the weight down to below that of an compatible ICE car is critical since it not only reduces the energy needed for movement but also reduces the wear and tear on any mechanical components, the four tires and the pavement. It may also enable the use of heavier more recycle able body components thus eliminating plastics altogether?
@PETERJOHN101
@PETERJOHN101 29 дней назад
Current battery tech makes EVs the same weight as full size ICE SUVs, meaning the same weight is in a slightly smaller footprint.
@SkepticalCaveman
@SkepticalCaveman 29 дней назад
Charging 1 km per second!? That's 180 km in 3 minutes! That is fast.
@user-un9lx4kp6u
@user-un9lx4kp6u 17 дней назад
It's also 450 miles in 12 minutes and 6 seconds.
@tomradich2261
@tomradich2261 29 дней назад
I can’t wait for these batteries to be available in full size cargo and passenger vans with bidirectional charging and onboard power supply. This will be a much easier, better and simpler solution for camper van conversions. With extended range and the roof covered with solar panels recharging the battery when sunny we’ll be able to go Boon-docking with confidence. All this without all of the noise, pollution, maintenance and reliability issues associated with an ICE vehicle. The electrified future is bright! 👍😁
@philborer877
@philborer877 29 дней назад
Congrats to you for making it on CATLs radar. Frame that letter😎😎
@robertlynn7624
@robertlynn7624 29 дней назад
Lets see some cycle life and discharge rates before we get too excited. There are many batteries with >500Wh/kg, but most of them don't last more than 100 cycles.
@erktrek
@erktrek 29 дней назад
Didn't EV say 18,000 cycles or was that for one of the other batteries.
@Stewarts_in_love
@Stewarts_in_love 29 дней назад
Lol he did say 18000 cycles what yall on rn?
@lennyvalentin6485
@lennyvalentin6485 28 дней назад
@@erktrek The way he said it didn't confirm the 18k cycles was for the 500Wh/kg battery, so I assume that's actually another battery cell altogether. That CATL doesn't state any other performance characteristics than energy density and charging speed could be interpreted as those aspects might be less than impressive. Like, manufacturability/price, cycle count, shelf life, low temp performance and so on. We'll have to wait and see I guess. A 500Wh/kg cell battery pack that's no more expensive per Wh than current cells (ideally no more expensive PER CELL), can be manufactured at scale and has at least comparable cycle/shelf life, charging speed and low temp performance as currently available cells would kill combustion cars pretty much dead as it is. And much more so if any other factors are superior to current cells as well. I'd suggest caution rather than exuberance here though. Chinese companies aren't always the most trustworthy, unfortunately.
@robertlynn7624
@robertlynn7624 27 дней назад
@@erktrek that's for low energy density battery.
@jsanders100
@jsanders100 29 дней назад
Great, I’m excited too
@Sacto1654
@Sacto1654 28 дней назад
But if it still uses liquid electrolytes, its still potentially very dangerous in case of a major accident and the crash causes the battery pack to be punctured and a fire starts. I think CATL and BYD are working hard to perfect solid-state batteries, since there is no liquid electrolyte that could potentially become a fire hazard.
@aineo2888
@aineo2888 29 дней назад
Sorry Sam, this battery does not exceed the 400Wh/kg threshold for commercial flight. At 205Wh/kg it is just past the halfway mark to reach it. Read the mail @0:48 Also, please stop confusing energy density (Wh/kg) with power density (W/kg), they are fundamentally different properties.
@dennispeterson6598
@dennispeterson6598 29 дней назад
Apparently a different battery. See the linked CATL page, it says 500Wh/kg.
@vancity2349
@vancity2349 29 дней назад
The same company that stated they will have a 1,000,000 mile EV battery warranty with max 5 % degradation
@user-jt4fy4od9r
@user-jt4fy4od9r 29 дней назад
Yeah sounds like Toyota banging on about their top secret batteries and hydrogen cars and all that other clap trap they come out with
@budbud2509
@budbud2509 29 дней назад
WOW All that fantastic mileage powered by Coal ......
@DubEther
@DubEther 29 дней назад
@@budbud2509 In the US, coal accounts for 16% (and falling) of energy production.
@mememaster147
@mememaster147 29 дней назад
@@DubEther ...and the UK just shut its last coal power station.
@edo3169
@edo3169 29 дней назад
@@budbud2509 solar/renewables are a larger % every day coal is less every day
@briancampbell179
@briancampbell179 29 дней назад
Amprius announced a 500kWh/kg battery last year having solved the 100% silicon anode problem. If CATL have found another way to achieve 500kWh that does not involve a silicon anode, then unless that technology precludes the use of silicon, then there is probably no reason the two innovations can't be combined. The same goes for solid state electrolytes. I raise this because the headline to the video announcing that this "ends solid state" is silly unless it does something that makes it incompatible with solid state batteries. The other thing to keep in mind is that there are so many announcements of "game changing" improvements in the technology that if all came to fruition, we'd be driving 2,000km on a pair of $5 AA cells by now. Those who are dubious about getting overly excited based on press releases are well justified.
@Mino987
@Mino987 29 дней назад
Today AMPX earning call. Will be heavy loss?
@1InVader1
@1InVader1 29 дней назад
Careful, the Electric Viking might make a news video about your comment.
@PETERJOHN101
@PETERJOHN101 29 дней назад
Even with current LFP tech we have price parity with ICE cars due to the efficiency of batteries over combustion, ie, fuel savings and near zero maintenance over the life of the car. And with battery costs dropping 50% this year...
@i3looi2
@i3looi2 29 дней назад
I think we should see PAST the car market (Which is already at a viable spot) ... semis,trucks,boats,planes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@MrAmazn
@MrAmazn 29 дней назад
Congratz on the growth of your channel. Long time viewer first time comment
@bsaxman2012
@bsaxman2012 29 дней назад
I'll add this to the game changer list. Will be nice if this becomes available in EVs.
@Takudza
@Takudza 29 дней назад
I just want to know if it will make EVs more affordable and when.
@ctuna2011
@ctuna2011 29 дней назад
It already has in China and places that don't have import Tariffs on Chinese cars.
@PETERJOHN101
@PETERJOHN101 29 дней назад
​@@ctuna2011 Sure, but BYD cars are crap and couldn't pass safety standards in the US.
@favesongslist
@favesongslist 29 дней назад
@@PETERJOHN101 Tesla China already use with CATL batteries. Cannot wait to see what Tesla China produces using this new tech.
@shk4090
@shk4090 29 дней назад
This is a bottom line question for the consumers 👍👍👍
@Takudza
@Takudza 28 дней назад
@@PETERJOHN101 Do you really believe that? Because it’s completely untrue. I have test driven one. There’s a lot of them on Australian roads. The tariffs are to protect the American Auto industry.
@user-on3ie9uv3x
@user-on3ie9uv3x 29 дней назад
With a complete combustion or fission , approx. 8 kWh of heat can be generated from 1 kg of coal, approx. 12 kWh from 1 kg of mineral oil and around 24,000,000 kWh from 1 kg of uranium-235. There is still room to explore.
@freeheeler09
@freeheeler09 29 дней назад
Great news. Maybe we will eventually see an affordable EV or affordable home storage batteries in the US
@mantobrew
@mantobrew 29 дней назад
Wow another game changing battery of the day
@PETERJOHN101
@PETERJOHN101 29 дней назад
How dare you refer to *G*ame *C*hanging tech with such lower case frivolity! 😂
@stevengriffin7873
@stevengriffin7873 29 дней назад
Yeh the rate of new development is stunning,only watched a video from this f'wit a couple of days ago about the last game changer.At this rate by the end of the week they'll have cracked it.
@not1word331
@not1word331 4 дня назад
The question is, what is the game?
@dubbchi
@dubbchi 29 дней назад
Super cool that CATL emailed you directly! Do they email you often?
@drdave3676
@drdave3676 29 дней назад
Extremely good news. Thank you Sam.
@christopherj2231
@christopherj2231 29 дней назад
Another good video Viking...keep it up.
@paulsanders9876
@paulsanders9876 29 дней назад
will also lower vehicle weight if you are using 1/2 as much and still go further than its predecessor. Even if costs up to twice as much your are in front a lot!
@4literv6
@4literv6 29 дней назад
The catl semi solid state pack of 150kwh in the nio et7 by welion weighs just 44# more overall than the same size pack by catl using nmc cells of just 100kwh capacity. So a tesla model s could use this for 40%+ more range at no weight penalty or cut 350-450# out and keep around 100kwhs and 400+miles. Bringing a model S lr down to around 4,000-4,200# from 4,400# now. It will be interesting imo to see what ev oems do once this tech is avaipable widely spread cheaply in a couple year's. I think luxury and suv/truck makers keep massive pack's for big range and to serve towing needs. While mid size segment model's keep similar useable capacity but drop the 200-300# in weight and I bet the low end evs just stick to lfp/lmfp/m3p or sodium cheaper style cells. But improve the charging speeds for better daily useability.
@RNMSC
@RNMSC 29 дней назад
I'm curious how the change in power source will affect aviation landings. As it stands a significant percentage of a long flight take off weight isn't there at landing because the jet fuel has been consumed. this has been enough that when commercial jets experience difficulties during takeoff and ascent, if they need to return to the airport, they have historically dumped fuel. With a battery, the aircraft is not going to have that option, (or if it does, we're talking about dumping a fairly expensive battery, perhaps it will have a glide control feature that allows it to glide to designated safe drop sites?) How much training will commercial pilots moving to these systems have to go through to become familiar with the new handling characteristics of the aircraft, both at takeoff, where it's likely to be somewhat lighter, and landing, where it will be significantly heavier?
@eddiegardner8232
@eddiegardner8232 29 дней назад
The way I heard this is 205 WHr/kg for car priced batteries, and 500 WHr/kg for "condensed" AEROSPACE priced batteries. Not 500 WHr/kg for CAR batteries. 205 is about 80% less than NMC batteries in Teslas, although at a lower cost per KWhr, and with faster charging and presumably higher fire safety and cycle life; maybe also the ability to charge daily to 100% to get all the juice out it per charge. A 500 WHr/kg car battery would be more of a game changer IF it were priced right, but not at aerospace prices (except for luxury supercars).
@ahaveland
@ahaveland 29 дней назад
Awesome news, but it is Wh/kg which is energy per kg, not W/kg which is power per kg. These are NOT the same thing.
@PETERJOHN101
@PETERJOHN101 29 дней назад
He knows, he knows, it's just a form of shorthand.
@4203105
@4203105 12 дней назад
@@PETERJOHN101 No, it's a form of rage bait, to drive comments and please the algorithm.
@JohnEAvenson
@JohnEAvenson 29 дней назад
Excellent report. Thank you
@guidodraheim7123
@guidodraheim7123 29 дней назад
a misleading report however.
@ChicagoBob123
@ChicagoBob123 29 дней назад
Reducing the cells and weight in cars would increases the range reduce the weight. The suspension can be lighter. Basically everything gets cheaper and lighter.
@bryangreene4969
@bryangreene4969 23 дня назад
Did they give you any details on the chemical makeup of the condensed battery? Just curious what anode, cathode and electrolyte they used. Also I'd like to see the cold weather performance. I'd imagine it would have to be pretty good to be able to go into a plane though
@mark-ge8dr
@mark-ge8dr 29 дней назад
Nowhere near enough energy density for airliners. CATL’s email mentioned a “ton-class prototype”. But still a very promising development.
@erktrek
@erktrek 29 дней назад
I dunno considering they are testing short hop electric aircraft now using current batteries.. Do you know what energy density is needed for (at least) US domestic flights then?
@mark-ge8dr
@mark-ge8dr 29 дней назад
@@erktrekThis is covered in some detail in the paper “Considerations for Reducing Aviation’s CO2 with Aircraft Electric Propulsion” by Alan H. Epstein But 1500 kWh per kg is mentioned. The paper is well worth reading for anyone seriously interested in aviation and it discusses H2 also.
@i6power30
@i6power30 29 дней назад
​@@erktrekthere is no way the US will use Chinese batteries for aviation.. national security risk.
@PETERJOHN101
@PETERJOHN101 29 дней назад
There is already a battery powered plane in commercial service built by an Israeli company. It's been in service for two years now. It's called ALICE.
@4203105
@4203105 12 дней назад
500Wh/kg is enough for short distance flights, even for big airliners. You can fly about half of europe with that. 1000Wh/kg is of course where it becomes really interesting. That's all of europe, a good part of the US, etc. I can see big arilines ordering battery planes at that point, for most of their routes. Not only would that save them a lot of money, they could also start and land at night.
@MilushevGeorgi
@MilushevGeorgi 29 дней назад
Dang CATL
@danncorbit3623
@danncorbit3623 28 дней назад
I love the way you get excited over clean technology. I wonder, "Why doesn't everybody?"
@jamesdubben3687
@jamesdubben3687 29 дней назад
Thanks for the exciting news. One last detail needed, cost.
@nickmcconnell1291
@nickmcconnell1291 29 дней назад
Hmmm....CATL announces it's going to create the largest charging network? Does Tesla's decision to scale back its chargers make sense now? They probably knew this and we didn't. In light of this it may mean that Tesla doesn't want to compete with CATL..... my guess is that Tesla has a non-compete contract with CATL and that would explain why they never tried to setup a 4680 line there. Now I wonder whether the whole 4680 program was actually a bargaining chip to force lower prices with CATL?
@4203105
@4203105 12 дней назад
Tesla's decision to fire the entire supercharger team was due to Elon's wounded ego. No, it does not make sense.
@nickmcconnell1291
@nickmcconnell1291 12 дней назад
@@4203105 I don't think autistic people have as much ego as the rest of us. They are much more interested in the truth.
@belowme4927
@belowme4927 29 дней назад
now all you need is fusion power and infrastructure
@LoranHarding
@LoranHarding 29 дней назад
The US government, at its National Lab in Idaho, is testing, developing, small nuclear reactors. Notice that that is a US National Lab. There are about 28 of those, like Los Alamos and Oak Ridge. Oak Ridge was where huge centrifuges isolated the U-235 used Little Boy. It took years to get enough U-235 for one Little Boy, so the Plutonium from the reactors at Hanford was a God-send. That stuff was used in Fat Man, and subsequent copies of Fat Man. Point here is that we have ~28 National Labs and exactly ONE working on small nuclear reactors. Would five of them doing that speed up the process? The small nuclears could be installed near medium sized cities and generate e-. We will need them!! Fusion will be downsized and installed widely by 2100 MAYBE. I'll be surprised if it's sooner. BTW, at the rate we are going with GHGs, sea levels will rise 6 feet by 2100. Think of the chaos.
@haxi52
@haxi52 9 дней назад
4:03 You said 747, but this rendering looks like a modified Tecnam. Looks like it carries 30-50 passengers. A 747 will carry 300-400 passengers. Still nice, but not quite replacing turbo fan transport aircraft yet.
@RawandCookedVegan
@RawandCookedVegan 29 дней назад
Thanks Sam!
@toriwatson9655
@toriwatson9655 29 дней назад
What a time to be alive! CATL are amazing, I'm getting excited too Sam!
@shiwanthagimhani6803
@shiwanthagimhani6803 29 дней назад
My favourite pump and dump channel Keep it up..
@subthousandoaks
@subthousandoaks 29 дней назад
Amen. Couldn't have said it better myself
@StarDustMoonRocket
@StarDustMoonRocket 29 дней назад
Likely right.
@kazedcat
@kazedcat 29 дней назад
He keeps pumping but there is no dumping. Diamond hands.
@tgdomnemo5052
@tgdomnemo5052 29 дней назад
Let me guess petrol head ? infested, ehm, invested in oil ? 😆🖖🏽😌
@petterbirgersson4489
@petterbirgersson4489 29 дней назад
Catl is one of the biggest and most established battery manufacturers in the world. It is not "pump and dump".
@TurnerRentz
@TurnerRentz 29 дней назад
This is without a doubt the coolest thing I have heard today. Utterly amazing. And it does also, for you Tesla wonks out there - explain alot about what's going on at Tesla these days - this is radical change, and it requires radical response. Good work Viking
@johndoe1909
@johndoe1909 25 дней назад
great. can it be produced at volume and cost? does it last? dies it recharge fast? does it support the temp range needed?
@user-jt4fy4od9r
@user-jt4fy4od9r 29 дней назад
If these developments are commercially viable, current battery packs could be halved in weight but offer more density, this in itself will increase range. The same 80kwh battery pack would be substantially smaller and weigh less - but introducing more range. Not to mention cost reductions. It is every ICE car manufacturer's worst nightmare.
@ohger1
@ohger1 29 дней назад
ICE manufacturers also make and sell EVs. I think the nightmare scenario is for the EV haters out there.
@WlerickBigotOfficial
@WlerickBigotOfficial 29 дней назад
Those batteries (if they rallye exists right now) are way more expensive, but if you have 500 kW/kg battery pack density, then you don't need 80 kWh anymore in your car, but only 70 or even 60, which meens cost reduction (less expensive cells in the pack) and even more weight saving. That's a total win-win situation 👌
@user-jt4fy4od9r
@user-jt4fy4od9r 29 дней назад
@@ohger1 Why don't ICE manufacturers get on with it then? What is the delay? I don't care who makes them as long as they get on with it.
@ohger1
@ohger1 29 дней назад
@@user-jt4fy4od9r The "delay" is customer resistance. The only EV maker making money right now is Tesla, and a lot of the money they're making isn't coming from actual car sales. Legacy makers are walking the tight line between producing EVs waiting for the change of customer wants and bankruptcy. Ford is trying to hold on while waiting for more acceptance of the Lightning and Mach E (both excellent efforts btw - I've driven both). The fact is that right now, if any Legacy stopped ICE production and switched to EV, they'd be bankrupt in less than two years.
@user-jt4fy4od9r
@user-jt4fy4od9r 29 дней назад
@@ohger1 the delay is not customer resistance. The delay is self-interested corporations not giving a stuff about their customers. Why do you think there was such resistance to a Tesla online purchase model? because the poor customer did not have to get shafted by the sales team at the local stealership? Tesla is making piles of cash off of every car they sell, because they are continually driving down the cost to manufacture. They don't buy in the bits from everywhere else, all of the 3rd party suppliers lumping on their margins. Where I do agree with you is Ford - they are the best of the rest and doing as much as they can. I have never driven either Ford EV but I am sure they are indeed excellent cars. What everyone needs to worry about, including Tesla by the way, is what Chinese manufacturers are doing in the EV space. The development is relentless and the prices are low, with enormous variety. You can knock Chinese EVs if you like, in the same way Japanese imports were first derided with their chain drive cars. EVs do not need servicing, they do not need filters or brake disks or pads or oil or filters or exhausts or clutches or gearboxes or spark plugs or injectors or anything else that keeps the dealership money extraction machine in fine fettle. I have been fortunate to have many cars, V12 Jags, V6 Jags, Saabs all the way down to a Ford Fiesta and even a couple of Chryslers but there is no putting the genie back in the bottle. The longer the legacy auto industry take to pivot, the worse it will be. It is not a matter of having to continue with ICE - because the Chinese don't care and artificial tariffs, well they work both ways. As battery packs get cheaper and offer longer range and faster charging, the pressure on ICE will get worse, and rapidly. As for bankruptcy, Toyota is in hock with someone else's money to the tune of $280 billion, and servicing that debt just became expensive, no zero percent any more. VW is second and I think Ford is third - they are all trying to spend their way out of this with someone else's money. I want to see them ALL succeed, people retain good jobs, but no amount of Kodak saying Digital photography was rubbish (which by the way they invented) eventually washed with a public who could make their own decisions, without all the frenetic FUD.
@MudflyWatersman
@MudflyWatersman 29 дней назад
Li Battery in lab already demonstrated at 750 w-h/kg....
@dzhiurgis
@dzhiurgis 29 дней назад
Takes 10 years to go from lab to mass production
@william2220
@william2220 29 дней назад
@@dzhiurgis China will whittle that down to 6 months! Where I live there would be too many noisy objectors to even make a start..
@markotten1755
@markotten1755 29 дней назад
This is mindblowing news indeed!! Pfff I’m really excited for the future! Thanks Sam!
@mrmawson2438
@mrmawson2438 29 дней назад
Cheers mate 👌
@douginorlando6260
@douginorlando6260 29 дней назад
A battery like that would allow someone with solar power home electricity to go off grid completely and not worry about a rare week straight of cloudy weather depleting their home battery. They could charge up their EV at the public charge station, drive home and replenish their house battery with the charge. Or they could barter KWh of electricity with anyone who has their own off-the-grid solar powered home
@duanehorton4680
@duanehorton4680 29 дней назад
Solar-powered should be hyphenated.
@thesparetimephysicist9462
@thesparetimephysicist9462 29 дней назад
100 kWh in a model 3 will give you slightly more range than a model S. Perhaps close to 500 miles but not 1000 as you state. Currently it does 341 with a 82 kWh battery, but the new battery would be lighter and increase range in that way. Depending on the volumetric density of the battery it might be possible to pack 200 kWh into a model S, and you would get around 800 miles of range.
@4literv6
@4literv6 29 дней назад
Our next energy did that year's ago already with an in house prototype stock battery case model S, achieving 750+miles at hwy speeds in the cold Michigan weather and 850+in summer. You can find the videos on here of it. Same dude who sadly got sold out by the obummer admin when he was leading the a123 battery company providing the og fisker karma with cells and had lfp patents that then got sold out to China. 😏
@edo3169
@edo3169 29 дней назад
all that is needed is 200 mile range for +90% of your daily driving .even on road trips most people need to stop within 3 hrs for a break and you can top off then!
@flat6croc
@flat6croc 29 дней назад
@@edo3169 100 miles would be enough for the vast majoruty of journies. But that isn't the point. In many geographies, access to a working fast charger en route can't always be assumed. Likewise, many people can;'t charge at home. All of which feeds in to the desire for really long range. If you could go, say, 2,000 miles on a charge, then not being able to charge at home would be much less of an issue if you only had to charge once a month or whatever. Likewise, you wouldn't need to charge for almost any journey. Obviously 2,000 miles is extreme. The point is more that 200 miles isn't much use if you are struggling to access good charging facilities. Maybe where you live, that's not a problem, but it is a real problem for many geographies. There are a lot of factors that go in to making EVs genuinely practical for universal use.
@dennispeterson6598
@dennispeterson6598 29 дней назад
@@edo3169 I like stopping for five minutes, not 20-30 minutes.
@user-jb2om7cm8m
@user-jb2om7cm8m 29 дней назад
@@dennispeterson6598 Yup, and if I do want to stop for 30 minutes, it'll be wherever and whenever I want, not mandated by my car.
@kieranworland8662
@kieranworland8662 29 дней назад
Awesome. Bring it on
@5nowChain5
@5nowChain5 29 дней назад
Ita a matter of time and realworld hours clocked up on the stability of these cells under all weather conditions and vibration conditions. HGV's could easily have upgraded trailers with Giant cell packs loaded under the chassis which could be swapped out for fast charging turn around.
@JaceTran
@JaceTran 29 дней назад
Congrats to CATL...Hope Tesla will cooperate with CATL to end ICE very soon
@oldbloke204
@oldbloke204 29 дней назад
Seems sales figures are saying that the opposite is happening.
@brucemitchell5637
@brucemitchell5637 29 дней назад
BAHAHAHAHA!!!! not even in your wildest wet dreams little fella! BAHAHAHAHA!!!!! 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@dennispeterson6598
@dennispeterson6598 29 дней назад
CATL and Tesla have a very good relationship and Elon just visited them.
@DavidPlayfair
@DavidPlayfair 29 дней назад
1,000km range? How about 500km range and massively reduced weight?
@magnuslarsson337
@magnuslarsson337 29 дней назад
Standard range RWD 1765 kg, Long range AWD 1828 kg. Competitive with any ICE or BEV car in a similar size and performance. AWD vs AWD, RWD vs RWD or FWD.
@dennispeterson6598
@dennispeterson6598 29 дней назад
How about both? Some of us want really long range, and BEVs are already pretty close to the weight of ICE cars. I'm ok with a car that handles like a BMW M3, I don't need a race car.
@JoeyBlogs007
@JoeyBlogs007 29 дней назад
Interesting. I rarely put more than 100km of gasoline in my car. Thus would never require 600 km charging. Important as this breakthrough is, super fast charging is far more important than battery range in the road vehicle sector. Aviation is a separate ball game.
@bytemark6508
@bytemark6508 29 дней назад
that's a very big step toward the goal of energy transition from fossil fuels, but before we say we can do that, we need to know a few more things: price, charging speed and number of cycles.
@asajelfs8170
@asajelfs8170 29 дней назад
Using a fuel tank will be like using a steam boiler.
@markeh1971
@markeh1971 29 дней назад
Add wireless charging and you have a proper alternative to ICE. Take care M.
@paulkearsley9509
@paulkearsley9509 29 дней назад
As the saying goes, if it is too true be true, usually it isn't
@bui340
@bui340 29 дней назад
You mean too true to be good😉
@karrelen
@karrelen 29 дней назад
😂😂😂😂😂 duuuuuude🤣🤣🤣🤣
@erktrek
@erktrek 29 дней назад
TBF they are the largest battery maker in the world so their claims do come with some credibility.
@dennispeterson6598
@dennispeterson6598 29 дней назад
For technological advancement that's not such a great rule. We use all sorts of technologies that would have seemed too good to be true before they were invented.
@dsc0273
@dsc0273 29 дней назад
Wow, that's impressive.
@stefan2796
@stefan2796 29 дней назад
Vaporware 2.0
@i3looi2
@i3looi2 29 дней назад
hmm. not sure if it was CATL , but i remember 1y ago, some Chinese company announced 711WH/kg density commercial viable batteries.
@gregsutton2400
@gregsutton2400 29 дней назад
A loaded 747 weighs nearly 410 000 kg. How many tons is that?
@stefanweilhartner4415
@stefanweilhartner4415 29 дней назад
its 410 watt per kilo 🙂 yesterday, i bought some bread from the supermarket. it weight in at 250 watts per kilo. and tomorrow at 9:00 watts per kilo i have a meeting.
@milanbujna2957
@milanbujna2957 27 дней назад
410 000 kg = 410 tons
@stefanweilhartner4415
@stefanweilhartner4415 27 дней назад
@@milanbujna2957 no, everything on this channel is watts per kilo.
@MgMreast
@MgMreast 29 дней назад
Thanks for bringing the latest innovations. you deserve every credit for the amazing work you do.
@darrincooper1318
@darrincooper1318 29 дней назад
Just what the roadster 2 needs 🔥🔥🔥
@Ottomanmint
@Ottomanmint 20 дней назад
Never mind the energy density, but how do you deal with the Airbus Battery Igniting mid flight with 500+ passengers on board?
@donblythe3766
@donblythe3766 29 дней назад
Sam you bring us the best news consistently in this new battery by CATL is just amazing and I certainly hope that all the cars and trucks and aircraft and boats will be able to get these batteries. Cleaner air means less cancer which is the whole reason that anybody that had any doubt about going electric should now be converted to the future of clean energy for the whole world!
@Withnail1969
@Withnail1969 29 дней назад
they are all made by burning lots and lots of lovely diirty coal my friend
@julianchung9215
@julianchung9215 29 дней назад
​@@Withnail1969which Australia sells to China....😊
@Withnail1969
@Withnail1969 29 дней назад
@@julianchung9215 China produces 4 billion tons of coal a year itself. It does not depend on Australian coal though it does import some. It's a drop in the ocean.
@julianchung9215
@julianchung9215 28 дней назад
@@Withnail1969 let me clarify, my comment is that Australians relies on China's money for coal. Not the other way around.
@pjonespresents9843
@pjonespresents9843 29 дней назад
There’s a consistent mix up on this channel, a Tesla model 3 with a 100kWh battery would go the same distance no matter what the energy density is, 100kWh is the capacity, not how it’s arrived at through energy density (agreed that a higher energy density battery would be lighter for the same capacity).
@michael.kusters
@michael.kusters 29 дней назад
The idea is that having higher energy density per kg enables to have more kWh in a vehicle. Besides, 100 kWh from a 200kg battery opposed to 500kg battery does come with better efficiency.
@user-ry5rt4yo1d
@user-ry5rt4yo1d 29 дней назад
Nope! If the battery has a higher energy density than the current Model 3 has, it means you can pack more batteries in the same battery space. That's gives you greater range I guess.
@sargfowler9603
@sargfowler9603 29 дней назад
I seriously doubt a Tesla would go that far. Only in perfect conditions. The new battery would increase the range by roughly 2.5 giving a true range around 1250km. However, I think they'll keep the same range and just make them cheaper and lighter.
@duanehorton4680
@duanehorton4680 29 дней назад
Mixup, not mix up.
@duanehorton4680
@duanehorton4680 29 дней назад
@@user-ry5rt4yo1d That's gives ???
@blinkingmanchannel
@blinkingmanchannel 27 дней назад
There are several comments asking clarification of power density. Please add mine to that group. Gasoline is liquid and batteries are solid, so there's a translation. I think the standard unit is megajouls per kilogram, but I also see 12.2kWh per kg... I can't tell if "watts" is shorthand, or what... Also I'm new to this unit of measure. Keep going. love your channel so far.
@kerryberland2847
@kerryberland2847 26 дней назад
500 watt hours per kilogram = 1.8 megajoules per kilogram.
@blinkingmanchannel
@blinkingmanchannel 26 дней назад
@@kerryberland2847 Thank you! Okay I found a chart that looks like it agrees with your number for Li battery. 👍 On that chart, gasoline has about 50Mj/kg… I’m trying to understand the assertion that batteries are more energy dense than gasoline. …Okay the y-axis on that chart is “specific energy” (maybe?) and that looks like about 100x more than Lithium ion batteries… I still don’t think I’m understanding this. One is storage and the other is release rate, right? At least one of these ought to show battery greater than gasoline….? Please explain Sam…? I want to hear that we’ve solved fossil fuels while I wasn’t looking, but I don’t see it yet…?
@roybodien6927
@roybodien6927 29 дней назад
WOW if this is all true! Game changer for sure! No more range anxiety.
@larzlarz1140
@larzlarz1140 29 дней назад
500 watt hour per kg is twice as much as the current 250 watt hour per kg in NMC batteries. So what can you get from that? A current model 3 long range is rated at 350 miles, but only goes 250 miles in real world freeway driving. So 500 miles from a model 3. The F150 lightning is rated for 300 miles of range, but only gets 220 miles of real world freeway driving, or 100 miles when towing at max rated load. So an F150 lightning would get 440 mile freeway range or 200 miles when towing at max rated load. Basically it is approaching what gas powered cars can do. But that is no where near what you need for a battery powered 747 airplane. The fuel load in a 747 is 197,000 kg. That would be like having a 98,500 kwh battery at 500 watt hour per kg. At cruising speed, a 747 uses 65,000 kw, or 87,000 hp. So while cruising, a 747 would use up a 98,500 kwh battery in 1.5 hours. A kerosene powered 747 can cruise for almost 16 hours. So 500 watt hour per kg batteries are still a factor of 10 lower than what you need for jumbo jets.
@malcolmrickarby2313
@malcolmrickarby2313 29 дней назад
It might make a twenty first century solar electric air ship viable!🤔
@duanehorton4680
@duanehorton4680 29 дней назад
Watt-hour and gas-powered should be hyphenated. Nowhere, not no where. Battery-powered and kerosene-powered should also be hyphenated.
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