CATL's sodium hybrid battery will be 30% cheaper & revolutionise the world

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CATL's sodium hybrid battery will be 30% cheaper & revolutionise the world
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@daemn42 21 день назад

I cringe every time you keep expressing energy density in in "Watts per Kg". It's Watt Hours per Kg (or per unit volume). Watts is a measure of instantaneous power. Why do we care? Because the other important metric is power density which is Watts per unit volume and it's about how fast you can get get power out of the battery, rather than how much it stores (matters a lot for fast cars and airplane). But you know all this already, so please stop using incorrect units.

@darylclifford 17 дней назад

Hope your comment is correct, and if so that Sam aka Viking sees it 👍

@josephkryzak3331 16 дней назад

Will greedy America try to put a meter on it the price of salt will go up

@user-if4fv6cj8z 14 дней назад

Viking great analogy best burger cheapest price I really can picture this but is it a lab dream or out in the wild?

@uncopino 13 дней назад

@@darylcliffordsure it’s correct. watt is joule (energy) / second (time) and energy/time is power. but kilojoule is not as intuitive as watt hour so that is used usually for energy.

@josephbradford5930 12 дней назад

Relax 😁😄😅😂🤣

@bigskygeneration4474 21 день назад

Watt-hour Sam!!! Watt-hour. Units are important. Physics depends on it.

@godfreypoon5148 19 дней назад

When they drop that one, I drop their video.

@robertnicholson6686 21 день назад

As a Canadian I can tell you we often go colder than -20ºC.

@markapplejohn4376 21 день назад

Living on the westcoast of British Columbia, -20C doesn't happen but I get your point. As 90% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the USA border, it will make sense buying an EV with this battery as there are few days in a year that there is sustained -20C... This tech will only get better and you will see automakers find a workaround for extremely cold days...

@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665 21 день назад

But that's outside exposed to the full airstream .. you can insulate the pack relatively easily. And these fast charge at room temps.

@tinman1955 21 день назад

Yeah but Canada's not a real country. 😁

@kensmith5694 21 день назад

In some places the union contract says that at -40C you don't have to show up for work.

@junkerzn7312 21 день назад

The way to think about it is to consider the amount of energy bleed required for the car to keep the batteries at a usable temperature while just parked there doing nothing. Cells capable of charging at -20C in -40C weather only need half the bleed energy that cells capable of charging at 0C in -40C weather would need. In -30C weather it would only need 1/4th the energy. You get the idea. Anyone living in Canada with an EV over winter already knows that the EV pretty much needs to be near-full, or left plugged-in if it is going to be parked outside overnight in weather that cold. So this is mainly a matter of how much energy the car wastes keeping the vehicle operational after the battery has become full. Of course, ICE engines and components don't really fare very well in ultra-cold weather either. You really have to take care of *any* car in weather that cold if you don't want it to have an early retirement. -Matt

@SkepticalCaveman 21 день назад

-20°C is not extremely cold, but for 99% of people it's colder than.they ever get.

@itsyo42 21 день назад

Yeah those pathetic humans never experienced Siberian Winter

@bsmith4u2 21 день назад

Half the US can get that cold but not for any extended amount of time. I live in Missouri and the last 3 winters we hit -10°F / -25°C below. I know Kansas regularly hits that temp. I think Kentucky and Tennessee saw close to those temperatures also.

@kensmith5694 21 день назад

I have seen -30C

@bkparque 21 день назад

Just keep car plugged in till you go

@bkparque 21 день назад

Im gonna want some mix of this with the cybertruck...

@nightshadowblade 21 день назад

If this battery would really be sold for 40 USD per kWh that would be a gamechanger indeed. That should make a complete pack with 55 kWh (50 usable) for only 3000 USD possible. The weight of such a pack would be around 350 kg, assuming about 160 Wh/kg on the pack level, instead of 200 Wh/kg on the cell level. A 22 kWh pack for a small city car would only cost around 1500 USD and weigh about 150 kg. A solar battery with 2 kWh would only cost about 100 USD and weigh about 14 kg, a home battery with 10 kWh would only cost about 1000 USD, including the BMS, housing etc. and weigh about 70 kg.

@paulgoffin8054 21 день назад

As you say, *IF*

@MrVolodus 21 день назад

With home batteries, go up. Let's talk 100kWh in each home. With solar, that solves lot of grid issues.

@colinwiseman 21 день назад

@@MrVolodus heck, even without solar, charge your battery once a month for small homes! I rarely get above 5kwh usage a day. 100kwh battery on my home would be amazing!

@davidfujkk8018 21 день назад

Electric viking is wrong,200 wh/kg in cell not pack,shenxing plus has 205 in pack and blade 2 has 190 wh/kg in pack not cell,shenxing plus has 260 wh/kg cells,blade 2 has 247 wh/kg in cell,CATL's sodium ion battery has 200 wh/kg cell and 152 wh/kg in pack level,please be more accurate sam

@MrCountrycuz 21 день назад

For home storage first!

@JWFas 21 день назад

I would try to patent a sodium bromite battery just so I can call my company NaBro.

@christophermarshall527 21 день назад

Lol, very good!!

@trentinoanonimot1098 21 день назад

NaBrO is sodium bromite you should focus on that stuff!

@robertimrie3710 21 день назад

I'm off to the kitchen to make a Promite battery.

@ronbakker1300 21 день назад

You from NZ?😁

@teekanne15 21 день назад

no need for patent to name a company/establish a brand

@JohnAdams-kc8wx 21 день назад

If you swap a partridge for a pheasant, that’s a game changer

@walking_in_the_shade 21 день назад

Hahaha I guess most people won't get that pun

@michaelnurse9089 21 день назад

Depends on the game. Swap EV battery for one 30% cheaper and lighter and it IS a game changer. U$4000 is real money for some folks.

@jovanleon7 21 день назад

Watt *HOUR* per kg, Sam, not just watt per kg.

@malcolmwhite6588 19 дней назад

This is the trouble with RU-vid people don’t need any credentials in order to make comment about things They don’t understand the units aren’t just important, but it demonstrates that this guy does not actually have enough physics knowledge to be competently discussing battery technology. the other thing which is Missed completely as he commented “this is the end of coal”! Hang on a second the battery doesn’t generate power, you still need to charge the battery whatever type it is, and this is one of the problems in many countries insufficient, renewable energy

@profribasmat217 18 дней назад

“This ends coal it end nuclear “ ffs batteries don’t generate electricity. They just store it. Also, watt-hour per kg. It seems you don’t know much.

@mwalker52 21 день назад

Just for reference: May 5 2024 The CATL Shenxing Plus LFP battery energy density is 205 Wh/kg (Also has great cold weather performance) The Tesla 4680 is estimated at 272-296 Wh/kg This new CATL Sodium Ion hybrid Battery is 200 Wh/Kg (The advange will be 30% cost saving and 90% cold weather performance)

@G_de_Coligny 21 день назад

So, worse but cheaper… unless you are in a cold country rich from its massive oil exports… Life is good at the ins4ne asylum…

@xraylife 21 день назад

Diesel: 12,700 Wh/kg Gasoline: 12,200 Wh/kg Fill time 5 minutes 😂

@Trust_but_Verify 21 день назад

@@xraylife Having 1 advantage doesn't negate the other 10 disadvantages.

@WilsonCC 21 день назад

@@xraylife What will drive the adoption of the EV is that the *cost of operation* of the electric car / truck / bus / boat / equipment is lower than running on Diesel or Gasoline. EVs are cheaper to operate today, which is why fleet managers are buying EVs. Better batteries will accelerate this adoption.

@xraylife 21 день назад

@@Trust_but_Verify I agree, ICE's have way more advantages that just carrying a much higher energy density source.

@themogget8808 20 дней назад

While the headlines have been chasing energy density, the real factor in some applications (budget cars, grid storage) is cost and longevity. It isn't that hard to make a car a little heavier and throw more batteries in engineering wise, but only if those batteries are significantly cheaper. I am not sure they will be. Sodium is absolutely real, happening now, and likely to be the majority of batteries in the world (by weight). Most of them just won't be in cars. Sodium is the ideal grid storage battery, with its longevity and safety and cost-per-watt-per-lifetime-cycles outperforming lithium, but its floorprint and power outperforming older chemistries. Weight and floorspace are less of a concern in grid storage. Price isn't just about the cost of the materials. Its a supply/demand thing too. In the short run, sodium batteries are actually more expensive. If their high cycle life and low cost per watt means the grid storage people buy them all up, there might not be a big value difference for carmakers who could pay some more for a much higher density LFP battery. CATL is also coming out with a next-gen LFP soon. Either way, these next gen chemistries are absolutely gonna destroy fossil fuels, both in the car market and the grid peaking market. Solar and wind are already destroying the bulk power market.

@ISuperTed 21 день назад

This changes eve…………. No I can’t do it 😂

@BioniqBob 21 день назад

Good, I like Eve the way she is.

@HoopsKevinski 21 день назад

This may be a... *explosive* take, but pure salt battery (160 wh/kg) still wins: being fast chargeable to 100% vs 80% is same as +20% capacity for me, plus all other benefits over lithium.

@marcelo55869 20 дней назад

Didn't pure salt batteries had problems of their own as well? I don't remember details but at least in earlier generations it had a high internal resistance that had to be taken into account and controlled for.

@linemanap 19 дней назад

Salt? Or sodium?

@junkerzn7312 21 день назад

No, not yet. Getting closer though. CATL and BYD are pulling-up the baseline capabilities of several chemistries. The most interesting right now is CATL's Shenxing 2 (or Shenxing Plus, depending). That one is a LFP battery with (a) very good cold-weather charging, (b) 4C charging, (c) LFP (safety), and (d) around 205 Wh/kg... competitive with NMC. That covers all the bases except the ultimate ICE killer which will be an energy density closer to 300 Wh/kg... we want THAT in LFP but we don't have it yet. Once we get that, it is game over. The current sodium battery announcements, particularly the hybrid, are NOT a game-over technology. -Matt

@rwyo83 21 день назад

Why are they hiding the cycles of the Shenxing Plus battery? Also we need 4C charging without cooling

@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665 21 день назад

That will be the Na S tech they are working on .. and that will be light and cheap and have the power.

@junkerzn7312 21 день назад

@@rwyo83 You'll never get 4C charging without cooling, with any battery chemistry except maybe lithium-titanate (which isn't suitable for most applications). But cooling really isn't that big a deal. Just being able to do 4C for any appreciable amount of time at all means the internal resistance of the cells is already gonna be pretty low. I doubt they are hiding the cycle count, being LFP batteries one can assume it's gonna be at least 3000 cycles @ 80% DOD to 80% capacity. That is pretty much a given for this chemistry.

@Shhamat221Latif 21 день назад

@@rwyo83Not hiding the battery... Just still at the lab stage ..

@100c0c 21 день назад

What about the 500wh/kg condensed battery? Wouldn't that be an ICE killer if the price per kwh is low enough?

@BillMitchell-lm8dg 21 день назад

It's ENERGY density is 200 watt-HOURS per kilogram. Watts per kilogram would be power density.

@fromgermany271 21 день назад

Ah, don’t worry about such details. As long it is the daily game changer. 😂

@marcv2648 21 день назад

I like your precision.

@stefanweilhartner4415 21 день назад

people try to tell him every time but he has a brain like kelly bundy. no chance to learn this. it is like not knowing the difference between speed and distance.

@sullivanrachael 21 день назад

Hmm. Sam isn’t as hot on the electrical physics / electrochemistry as he is at making videos based on the marketing material from the world of automotive electrics. He’s pretty good at using cool looking graphic that suggest amazing tech without giving any real numbers away. He’s always saying something is umpteen percent better. Better than what? Percentage is a comparison. He never (or hardly ever) gives the comparison, except ICE. 😂

@CornelliusTiberious 21 день назад

Could you explain this in more detail? Sorry, I am getting it but not getting it.

@pearsonfrank 21 день назад

I realise many people on here don't know that China is a vast country, in the NE Heilongjiang province is close to the coldest town on the planet c-30/50 to the Far east in Xinjiang,, Taklaman desert temperatures can be over 40. Surprisingly they test the vehicles to operate in Both regions.

@rays2506 21 день назад

Watt is a unit of power. Watt-hour is a unit of energy. Battery energy storage capacity is measured in watt-hours. Battery energy density is measured in watt-hours per kilogram.

@michaelnurse9089 21 день назад

Can also be measured by volume instead of weight.

@leehargreaves7473 21 день назад

You can now start to see a sort of Moore's Law affecting EV prices. ICE technology has got marginally more efficient over the last 40 years (small capacity, 3 cylinders, high-revving turbos ..etc) but at the expense of more complexity. It's really gone as far as it can go. My Dad's 1978 2.0L Ford Cortina is really not that different to my last ICE car, a 2016 2.0L Ford Sierra. Battery technology is evolving so rapidly, especially if Solid-state goes into full production, that we could be looking at overtaking ICE in every aspect in 10 years (range, charging speeds, weight ... everything). 13 years ago the Mk1 Nissan LEAF did about 120km maximum. Now we're approaching the point where 400km is becoming standard. I can genuinely see 500km being ubiquitous in 10 years, with 1000km on high-end vehicles. It's great to be part of this revolution and witness the rapid evolution.

@flagmichael 19 дней назад

That is the one bright spot in the daunting logistics of transitioning toward electric cars: the slow pace of actually making the change (the public has little idea of the incredible costs and logistical hurdles involved) allows for innovation even as we move forward. Once the public understands that few of us will live long enough to see the change complete it will learn to be happy improving the pieces step by step rather than having a completely raw product suddenly trying to be the final product.

@jeffbangkok 21 день назад

Just drove my 02 CRV to breakfast in Bangkok that you can see the fuel gauge dropping as you drive. My wife and I discussing how new battery technology is changing daily. Hope I live long enough to find the right EV for us.

@rodneyblackwell7477 21 день назад

Driving in Bangkok makes not much sense.

@Ria-hx8nl 21 день назад

I'm 52 years old. I too hope to live long enough to see a battery technology that's actually practical.

@user-jd6zg5pu7q 20 дней назад

@@Ria-hx8nlBatteries have been good enough for more then 5 years already. Don't let the oil propaganda get to you. If we can use these cars in Norway and Iceland easily everybody can.

@mememaster147 20 дней назад

You'd be better off right now with a hybrid car. They work best for city driving.

@MrAdopado 19 дней назад

@@Ria-hx8nl Battery technology has been practical for years! Yes, you can come up with exceptional circumstances where EV is a challenging option but to suggest it's not practical for most people is simply incorrect.

@nelsondoan8271 20 дней назад

I’m in western Canada. -20C is not rare, but it didn’t happen much this past winter. The winter of 78/79 set a record of three months below -20C. Since we have very little charging infrastructure, my goal is AWD and 370 miles of range. Not buying until that target is hit (and it’s affordable).

@b21raider27 21 день назад

While I wouldn’t say never but the foreseeable future (this century) oil will be around. Jet fuel for planes (or future starships) to missiles. Massive cargo ships. A new type of propulsion system would be created powered by say fusion reactors.

@Ryan_DeWitt 21 день назад

The magic batter of the week that will be so much better but we will never hear about again.

@michael-qp9xd 21 день назад

Yes so true. Every week the words of breakthrough and game changer. Then never hear again. Very tiring all this pablum.

@teekanne15 21 день назад

Difference between lab results from research facilities and pre production units from large scale producers

@user-jb2om7cm8m 21 день назад

Only the 3rd miracle battery breakthrough in the last week- slow week I guess.

@flagmichael 19 дней назад

@@michael-qp9xd Battery breakthrough of next week: pablum!

@bigedslobotomy 20 дней назад

I’ve said it before … whenever a new invention comes about, to make it a success, it has to be successfully tested under all conditions, be manufactured easily and cheaply and need cheap resources, it must be patented correctly, it must be marketed correctly, all environmental and safety laws must be observed, it has to be packaged in such a way that people find it COMPELLING (not just a “good idea”) and it would undoubtedly have to withstand multiple lawsuits from other competing technologies. So many hurdles!

@drxym 21 день назад

Sodium ion batteries are probably going to be most useful for fixed installations where density isn't such a big deal. The density could be an issue for cars but it ultimately depends on what density they get vs LFP. I expect the cost savings will mean that a lot of cars will be using sodium ion batteries though.

@johnfrancis4401 21 день назад

The units used for measuring the energy density of a battery can be watt hours per kilogram not watts per kilogram.

@gordonwardhaugh8266 21 день назад

The end of coal the end of nuclear electricity comes from coal comes from nuclear comes from natural gas only a tiny fraction of electricity can be produced by solar during the day

@itsyo42 21 день назад

Sam doesn't even try anymore

@bbqpelletsonline 21 день назад

@@gordonwardhaugh8266I think Sam's a little off base, but I believe what he is always talking about is with batteries being that cheap and on an accelerated reduction in cost, it makes the kilowatt hours per dollar cheaper when solar is the fuel source and it's stored in batteries

@SaintKimbo 21 день назад

Who cares, about the details, it's gong to end fossil fuels.....again, lol.

@bubuneowoo6161 21 день назад

Joules/kg.

@user-rq3qm8bz3s 21 день назад

Keep in mind that Tony S. gave his predictions in 2010 or 2014 dollars which are now almost worth $2 each. So in reality he was very conservative in his estimates on the speed of battery prices dropping. Hopefully the same will go for Solar power systems. So now, with energy and transport nearly handled, all we need are good governments and good food!

@mavelous1763 21 день назад

Americans aren’t that smart.

@Vibe77Guy 3 дня назад

The charge condition slope is not as flat as LiFePO4, or lead acid. Resembles a supercapacitor charge/discharge graph, while the total capacity may be larger, the usable capacity is limited by the power accessible by the inverter. Voltage too high on the 100% charge end, and too low to power the inverter on the low end, well before 0% charge. So a 30% increase in total battery capacity is only about the same usable capacity as the LiFePO4 chemistry.

@hwirtwirt4500 21 день назад

This weeks "game changer".

@xyork 21 день назад

So, everything changes yet again. Never a day passes that everything has not changed. Tomorrow everything will change again until there is nothing left to change ever again. That thought alone, changes everything.

@WillBecker 21 день назад

Everything IS changing, in case you haven't noticed. Norway is at 90%+ EV; China, the world's largest car market is at 46% and growing fast. This change is happening incredibly fast and it's accelerating.

@xyork 21 день назад

@@WillBecker I don't doubt that at all. It's the HYPE that kills me man.. the HYPE

@WillBecker 20 дней назад

@@xyork some of its hype. This isn’t, this is catl.

@gregb1599 15 дней назад

Just wait until those countries end the rebate and start charging road user charges, then you will see an NZ decline, no a fall off the cliff in sales!

@WillBecker 14 дней назад

@@gregb1599 I doubt it, EVs are getting better too fast. We'll almost be at price parity to buy by the end of this year and the ratio of electricity to petrol price is returning to normal

@davidl.howser9707 20 дней назад

Thermal Runaway Potential ? Have you ever seen NA+ ( Sodium) Burn ? That is why NA+ is shipped in Mineral Oil to keep the NA+ from combusting when exposed to air with humidity. Storage Requirements:....."Sodium must be stored in a closed container under kerosene, toluene, or mineral oil. Contact with water should be avoided because sodium reacts violently with water to form hydrogen (H2) with evolution of sufficient heat to cause ignition...."

@alisterridgard6248 20 дней назад

It's convincing enough to admit that it's the future of power generation and storage for almost everything and nothing else is even close to it's advancement in development

@luciusael 21 день назад

I can see manufacturers maintaining the EV prices similar to ICE cars just to maintain their desired profits

@PETERJOHN101 21 день назад

Not really. While Toyota is attempting to perfect hydrogen powered engines to more easily commoditize such complex patents and IP, that isn't possible with battery tech due to the cost curve. Legacy carmakers don't know how to put this genie back in the bottle.

@so_what_else_is_new 21 день назад

Also govs with tariffs

@petercroft9895 21 день назад

I can see this enabling them to still make a buck on lower end EVs. There's a huge completely unfulfilled market down there that EV manufacturers currently can't or won't compete in.

@grahamf695 21 день назад

Legacy car makers might be motivated to protect their ICE revenues that way. However, EV-only manufacturers are highly motivated to win market share, so they will probably pass on most of the cost saving.

@chriso847 21 день назад

Sounds great. But I’ve been hearing this for a long time. Lots of hype extremely slow delivery and cheaper better batteries. And cheaper better electric cars. I’ll believe it when I see it in the showroom.

@allenhill4578 21 день назад

Your point is reasonable. But I think the problem is us. We expect these gamechangers (haha) to hit the market very quickly but I guess manufacturing doesn't work to our wishlist time scales. But if we look back several years, the advances become more apparent. 5 years ago, I don't think LFP was even on the market. Then it came in at about 160 kwh/kg. Now its up to approx 200 kwh/kg and the prices keep dropping. So I think we're getting there, just not as fast as our 'modern life' brains would like.

@SaintKimbo 21 день назад

It's the same battery, Sam just changes the graphics and the specs, so he can announce the next 'game changer'

@WillBecker 21 день назад

The first 250mile+ EV, 16 years ago, cost $150k for a basic two seater. In 2012 the price dropped to $80k, to $45k in 2016. Now it's $25k or so and still falling fast, driven by exactly these kinds of advances in battery capability and cost. What part am I missing?

@4203105 День назад

It's because western car makers drag their feet. For a long time it was very deliberate, now they are just years behind and have sluggish processes. These news come out of China and are in cheap chinese cars in China. Till this technology gets here, without massive tariffs on it, it will take a few more years.

@alex.velasco 20 дней назад

Sam, I can't describe how much I enjoy your videos. You bring us news from the state-of-the-art of technology and explain in clear language and clear-headedness what it ‘signifies.’ That’s precious!

@waywardgeologist2520 21 день назад

Here in Michigan it can get to -20 C. Most ICE vehicles have trouble starting without a engine block warmer.

@trinsit 21 день назад

I hear what you're saying, but when will we ever see any of these on the market? And why don't we see these price cuts in energy products?

@squiremc 21 день назад

ICE vehicles will be around for quite a time yet. It doesn't matter how effective the energy storage is, the infrastructure still cannot deal with everybody plugging their cars into charge at 6:00 every evening.

@paulgoffin8054 21 день назад

Wrong. *IF* these prices are correct (they're not), then trickle charging a battery at a charger location solves the problem of "everyone charging at once". In fact, it's game over, overnight, for everything to do with fossil fuels. Think about it, under $5000 for some solar panels and a battery and you never need buy energy for your home again. $50,000 and most businesses become self sufficient in energy. The economic shock to global economics would be massive - it's impossible to estimate the scale of this. *IF* that price is correct. Which it isn't.

@squiremc 21 день назад

@@paulgoffin8054 If this is true we would have already seen a major change in vehicles. EV is still unusual for everyday people, the poor are still driving cars they can afford without altering their houses as well. The poor outnumber the rich by a huge degree.

@paulgoffin8054 21 день назад

@@squiremc I agree, which is why I'm saying this isn't true. Now, if CATL have only just started up at $40/kWh, then, obviously, ordinary people haven't had time to buy those batteries yet. But you'd expect to see the financial markets going crazy as everyone dumps fossil fuel stocks at any price. Military forces would be on high alert - gulf states, Russia, Norway, Australia, would become irrelevant overnight and bankrupt by Wednesday. Yeah, no. Not happening. Not yet.

@squiremc 21 день назад

@@paulgoffin8054 Agreed.

@GeeDeeBird 18 дней назад

An often overlooked advantage to widespread residential and manufacturing solar generation and storage is that it will take away the worst effects of a military attack on the nation's power grid. It will ago reduce the effective operating cost of personal transportation to nearly zero, freeing up petroleum resources for commercial and military years and reducing the economic and environment costs of those critical transportation resources. Lots of upsides. Not many drawbacks. It's going to be a long transition, but the meet result will absolutely be worth it.

@dondaniels127 7 дней назад

Don’t know where the ⚡️ Viking lives, but here in Colorado during Arctic Outbreaks we can hit -20 Fahrenheit, getting close to -30C.

@attekotiranta1598 20 дней назад

That comment about -20C in video said it maintains 90% capacity at that temperature. I believe it's as good as current batteries or better, so I don't see anything to worry about.

@timp1293 21 день назад

Sodium is a metal heavier than Lithium, but they’ve got a sodium battery that has higher energy density than Lithium one. This is amazing.

@4203105 День назад

It's about the same energy density by weight as LFP. NMC is still king.

@safetyfirst1484 День назад

Victron 12V inverter has a voltage range of 9.5-17 volts, so anything below 2.4 volts/cell and above 4.25 volts/cell would be unusable and wasted. That equates to about a 60% usable energy range. That applies to 24V and 48V systems as well.

@scottthompson5855 21 день назад

Hope you are right. Sitting on the sidelines for another decade until this sorts itself out. Range. RANGE. RANGE!

@PETERJOHN101 21 день назад

EVs now provide the same range as a gasoline powered car. It's not 2018 any more. 😂

@SaintKimbo 21 день назад

No, it's CHARGE CHARGE CHARGE. There's millions of apartment dwellers out there, and unless they can get their car charged at a place that is just as common as a Gas station in 10 minutes or under, their gonna stick to their gas powered cars, regardless of range and the price of EV's may match but will NEVER be below gas cars, and most places, and battery tech, are years away from that scenario, not to mention underdeveloped Countries. That's what the surveys show, convenience is King

@daylightsaver 21 день назад

@@PETERJOHN101I can get 1000km range from my 60l tank on the open highway, I'm waiting

@MrVolodus 21 день назад

@@PETERJOHN101 Issue is, even cheapest 13k gasoline car (Dacia Sandero, 12600€) can go 750km. EVs that come somewhat close, are 50k€+. I love EVs, but really, range is not their strong side.

@gothmog2441 21 день назад

Range will be around 200-300 miles. Once we can make battery packs based in new chemistry that can go further than that, we will make them smaller and keep range at 200-300miles… Elon pointed out over ten years ago he could make a car with 500mile range by fitting it with two of his standard Tesla battery packs. But carrying all that extra weight around ever day when the range was only needed rarely was daft. Better to keep range to 200-300miles and concentrate on charging faster for the rare occasion you need to travel further.

@user-rk5vk8cx3p 17 дней назад

I am in my 70's, and have gotten excited by new battery technology for multiple decades, and other than lithium ion batteries, no new batteries have reached the market or made any impact. I would love some follow up to these press releases, and explanation for the failure to launch of so many ideas.

@tomtaylor9217 20 дней назад

What I hear every week from these astonishing announcements is: 'don't by an EV now, wait until the magic battery is in production. if you buy one now, it will be scrap when the magic battery comes out, so just keep driving ICE until then'. Thanks. message received.

@itsyo42 21 день назад

Please build Na-ion battery factories in Europe, I need those for my house

@sunrisejak2709 21 день назад

Batteries are energy storage. Nuclear is energy creation. Very different things.

@SaintKimbo 21 день назад

We don't need no freaking Nuclear, Oil or Gas, we got salt batteries now, get with the program Heretic.

@waywardgeologist2520 21 день назад

I wish Sam would do a comparison of the total mass requirement for nuclear and solar.

@pascalbruyere7108 20 дней назад

I think he means that with a wonder storage system energy creation may go renewables 100%. I think that we’ll need nuclear for a long time, for some sort of baseline that does not depend on anything variable and uncertain.

@SaintKimbo 20 дней назад

@@waywardgeologist2520 Sam has been lying by omission since this chanel started, why would you expect him to be honest now?

@linemanap 19 дней назад

Energy creation? Now that would be a real game changer😂. the world is awash in energy the only real problem is storage and distribution.

@netgnostic1627 11 дней назад

Sam, I don't even break out my warm winter coat until it's colder than -25°C. And about 25% of the USA experiences -20°C or colder many times each winter.

@thawsief91 8 дней назад

Battery sodium temperature are -40° C to 60° C

@stevenolson5703 19 дней назад

The one thing I have kept saying is that electric vehicles will be the way we go, BUT, our battery tech isn't ready yet. I don't know if is where we need to go or if this is a step towards that but this is great news

@ddrowdy2 21 день назад

Yeh yeh, we hear this 5 times a year and yet.......nothing ever comes to market.

@florinsoare8448 17 дней назад

And also cancer and alzheimer treatmets.

@macmcleod1188 12 дней назад

The price of batteries has dropped consistently since 2000 while the capacity of batteries have increased consistently since 2000. It takes two or three years for these announcements to come into production but right now we're benefiting from the announcements to 3 years ago.

@jhelotes5627 21 день назад

Replacing a battery pack will be a lot cheaper and much less complex than swapping out an ice engine.

@flagmichael 19 дней назад

I replaced an internal combustion engine twice, both in very old cars. The overwhelming majority of cars with ICE engines never need any major work on them. We have two Prius cars (one 2002, one 2014) that recently turned 200K miles. Neither of them has any engine issues. The 2002 recently needed a hybrid battery rebuild for $2000 and a couple days DIY. Many EVs are near end of life when the battery has to be replaced. The Tesla model 3 is typical of Teslas, with a $16,000 parts and labor cost (almost all parts. Ioniq is widely variable, with RepairPal estimating about $5500 but isolated $60,000 situations are reported for the Ioniq5 when the failure is from road debris damage.

@jhelotes5627 17 дней назад

@@flagmichael did you take the time to read my comment? "Will be" is future tense. Of course the cost of new battery technologies is high...for now. If you weren't so obviously anti-EV, you might be up to date with the developing and breakthrough battery sciences which will inevitably become less expensive than hybrid and ice technologies.

@Mr11ESSE111 21 день назад

electric Viking change so much time games with batzery that by now we would must have EVs with 5000km range and recharging in 5 seconds and costs of EVs with 300hp or more and over 4.5m long like cheapest Dacia sandero

@gary.richardson 14 дней назад

It seems like the losing battery companies tried toi hard to focus on one battery chemistry than putting more time on hybrid synergy. I get that reducing complexity has value when one chemistry can completely envelope another in all parameters. However, developing competitive chemistry groups brings a knowledge set you dont get from just one focus. I can see where the sodium operating in cold temps can help preheat lithium to its optimal state prior to utilizing it's chemistry has its advantages and may take up less real estate and power consumption than other temperature management schemes.

@advancedbodydesign 21 день назад

Solar 🌞 Energy Battery 🔋 Storage costs about to drop 50% AGAIN!!

@SteveWindsurf 21 день назад

If only the cost of energy generation were to fall as quickly as useful storage. Many countries have massively inflated energy costs, (like the EU). This has to change, let’s support companies solving clean generation as well. All of them.

@callmebigpapa 21 день назад

If you own a home you can generate your own solar panels here in the US are ridiculously cheap

@SaintKimbo 21 день назад

@@callmebigpapa Do you use a generator to generate your own solar panels?

@conventionalwisdom 21 день назад

The cost of energy generation is not what consumers should worry about. These days it is a less significant component of your bill. Transmission, distribution, retail margins, government ‘rent’ can all be bigger than the generation cost

@callmebigpapa 21 день назад

@@conventionalwisdom So true! most people don't really look at their bill they just pay it.

@serpserpserp 21 день назад

Many countries (like Australia) have falling electricity prices. Due to the rampant solar installation.

@tomtaylor9217 20 дней назад

yes, the next magic battery is just around the corner. Any day now. We've been hearing that since ...1990? We've been working on batteries, since, oh, they were the first electric devices. over 225 years, and the best we've got is LiPo+ and variants. The best we get is marginal, incremental improvements.

@anastigmatix4119 17 дней назад

Minus 20*C (-20*C) equals -4*F. This is within 'normal' nighttime December/January expectations in much of North America.

@madyak222 21 день назад

Making the blanket statement that Cheaper batteries ends ICE's, coal even Nuclear etc is incorrect, due to Batteries being Temporary energy STORAGE systems that don't generate the energy, they store, which means that something elese has to generate that energy, which for some people might be coal or Nuclear or even ICE generator, electricity. Until we get fully distributed, decentralised Solar or Modular micro reactor generated energy produced from every home.

@PETERJOHN101 21 день назад

You're forgetting about the rate of energy conversion. An EV is 300% more energy efficient than a gas powered car. If every car on the road was an EV, the overall demand for energy generation would be dramatically lower. 💡

@waywardgeologist2520 21 день назад

I’m all a small modular home reactor!

@flagmichael 19 дней назад

@@PETERJOHN101 Actually, electricity generation is never 100% efficient. Nuclear, geothermal, wind and hydro don't have reliable means of stating efficiency, but natural gas is at best 60% efficient, and that is for the relatively rare (don't ask me why) combined cycle plants. The more common simple cycle gas plants are about 25-30%, lower than hybrid cars. In reality, there is not enough energy generation or distribution capacity anywhere in the world right now to support 100% EVs today. I retired recently after 34 years with a Fortune 100 electric company on the Western Intertie (essentially all North America west of the Rockies, from the Sea of Cortez to the Arctic Circle). The public at large has no concept of the costs and timelines of adding generation or distribution. After a generation facility in the US is built and tested, it goes on a five year (at present) wait list for FERC approval to be added to the grid. About one out of five completed plants is withdrawn form the process before it can be certified. If the pace of construction doubles the wait time will also double. It isn't inaction, it is a matter of grid stability. The US U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) reports "About 60% of [US] electricity generation was from fossil fuels-coal, natural gas, petroleum, and other gases. About 19% was from nuclear energy, and about 21% was from renewable energy sources." We can turn our world upside down and still have most cars powered by fossil fuels in the end.

@4203105 День назад

Solar and wind are dirt-cheap compared to anything else. If batteries are also dirt-cheap, any other power generation method will become unprofitable and end.

@4203105 День назад

@@flagmichael Germany generated 53% of its electricity with renewables in 2023. If your grid can't handle that, you might need to fix your grid.

@jpcaretta8847 21 день назад

Wow, every week the industry is shaken by these ! How can we progress then ? Hey, did you know that electricity first must be produced then DISTRIBUTED !

@WillBecker 21 день назад

Yes, and the National Grid say that's goign to be absolutely OK and, thanks to the efficiency of EVs and the greeninug of the grid, far less energy will be needed and it'll consume far less Carbon.

@joeblue2492 21 день назад

Would be a good compliment to the Aptera solar car. Still weighting for mine :( The Saudi’s might find it

@arthurkirsch8188 21 день назад

Just looked it up record low temp in Minnesota is - 60 I have a heated garage keep it at about 50 degrees.

@dac545j 21 день назад

Sounds bloody awful.

@MrPropanePete 21 день назад

This game changer battery will be super-ceded by another game changer battery in about 6 hours in Sam’s next video. He gets through them 😅

@stans1058 21 день назад

Hopefully it is immune to going up in flames.

@BioniqBob 21 день назад

Old spew, try a new one.

@mattheviewer 19 дней назад

Worthwhile Battery improvements aside, one still needs an improved charging network and upgraded power grid to bring on the electric vehicle transformation.

@ammass321 18 дней назад

thankfully new battery for ev is just around the coner. And always will be!

@ianhamilton3113 18 дней назад

But no more investment in ICE development.

@jluis333 21 день назад

Just when we were going to be saved by solid state batteries now its sodium. Still waiting for those fantastic chargers that most of the world can't access.

@mawhim 21 день назад

Mate, we have had so many game changers. The game hasn't changed. Stop it. Undoubtedly, you would have called it when it does change though. Which it will, eventually, but with which bit of tech?

@macmcleod1188 12 дней назад

Thank you for another informative video on this subject matter. You save me a lot of time.

@steveschofro298 19 дней назад

The most significant issues with making all new chemistries and packaging viable are cell resistance matching consistency from the production line and the scrap rate. Many defective 16850 cells make their way to the supply chain as Ebikes or other consumer products. I hope the large manufacturers will put pressure on the problematic bootleg counterfeit testing lab products.

@sirbum1918 21 день назад

Yes, batteries will generate all the energy we need... Wait a minute?

@jordan0chang 21 день назад

Batteries don't generate power

@sirbum1918 21 день назад

@@jordan0chang But he said by by to coal and nuclear.

@markapplejohn4376 21 день назад

California, in the past month or so, has had a few days where their entire grid was powered and sustained via battery storage, completely by renewable energy. This achievement is ahead of schedule but we need to double renewable output and storage by double so as to have enough energy on demand 24/7 365. Have faith, its coming but only because it's cheaper than any fossil fuel method and greed always wins!

@sirbum1918 21 день назад

@@markapplejohn4376 Good to know. Wonder if this was planned just to show off, or was just a fluke? The fact that it wasn't everyday makes me think it was a political stunt.

@EfieldHfield_377 21 день назад

@@markapplejohn4376I would agree with you mostly, but it's greed that is holding us back. The political might of oil and gas industry cannot be over stated.

@andrew7455 21 день назад

I'm still waiting for CATL's Condensed battery which you had announced 8 months ago.

@eleetgroupvideo 21 день назад

They did launch that last year, perhaps make a trip to China to buy one and bring home and do a review?

@rwyo83 21 день назад

Condensed battery is with silicone anode, these batteries have very low cycles, not good for EVs

@nordlandak6853 21 день назад

There’s always another unicorn battery around the corner. The E Viking been hitting the cool aid again.

@SaintKimbo 21 день назад

That 'game changer' that was going to 'end fossil fuels', is so 2023.

@4203105 День назад

That's not coming to cars or other electronics. It's way too expensive. Its use is in aviation, where weight is actually important.

@neildolan7177 21 день назад

I don't think that EVs & ICe cars are in direct competition as you are saying. What I think will kill ICE is the cost of fuel. It's already high & there is no sign it will come down. As revenues drop due to EV adoption, they are just going to bang the price up.

@BeyondFunction1 21 день назад

How does it compare in terms of life span and state of charge (i.e. does it care whether you charge it to 100% all the time)?

@TheCaminoGuide 21 день назад

"Sure, but where are you going to mine all that sodium?" (*overheard at a TSLAQ party)

@davidl.howser9707 20 дней назад

70+% of the Earth is covered in liquid Sodium.

@antoniopalmero4063 21 день назад

There is so much choice in the EV marketplace that it’s impossible to choose .

@fromgermany271 21 день назад

The battery prices will probably stay where they are, but the product you buy generates more profit.

@BioniqBob 21 день назад

@@fromgermany271 No

@davidl.howser9707 20 дней назад

So choose to buy an I.C.E. hybrid vehicle from Toyota. Toyota, smartly, has many Hybrids with the same model name as their 100% I.C.E. vehicle,.....so....purchase clarity made easy !

@antoniopalmero4063 20 дней назад

@@davidl.howser9707 I already have an EV , just looking to upgrade but not interested in a hybrid .

@JMWflicks 21 день назад

Thanks again , Sam. Wonder how the cycle life compares with LiFePO4? Guessing it's not so good, so worth CATL producing both.

@janjager2906 18 дней назад

In the Netherlands we have al ready problems with the electricity distribution. The government put big on electrification and the grid could not be improved quick enough to meet consumer needs. We are probably a decade behind in what will be needed. I don’t think they will be happy with a new increase in peak loaders on the electricity network.

@johnbrown4568 21 день назад

With this "pie in the sky" story ---> The Viking even got Ye tripp'n yo. 🙄🤣

@bru512 21 день назад

These batteries are for sale in China, now

@johnbrown4568 21 день назад

@@bru512 Along with many other forms of Chinese Commie propaganda...

@kamsunleong6648 21 день назад

You are talking about CATL. Not some new startup.

@jeffreyrh 21 день назад

Ends coal and nuclear? How we gonna charge the battery? Solar, wind, hydro?

@SWR112 21 день назад

Welcome to Scotland 👍

@puzer1 21 день назад

...there's a game changing, game over technology that converts Viking BS into unlimited energy...stay tuned...

@jasoncarmichael4540 21 день назад

Yes easily

@brucemitchell5637 21 день назад

Nope, Unicorn farts and pixie dust! 😂😂😂😊

@fromgermany271 21 день назад

They are so cheap, you just buy them charged up 😂

@VeganGorilla555 20 дней назад

It's not uncommon for temperatures in Southern Ontario to get below -20c during winter months.

@quartamile 18 дней назад

Can it be charged below freezing? Thank you!

@SV-cg3sk 21 день назад

We get -20c here in Massachusetts -4 F . With wind-chill in here we have seen a lot lower!!

@dguy321 21 день назад

Wind chill doesn't count. That's a value that describes how a person will perceive the actual temp. For example: A bulb of water hanging from a tree when it's 33 f out with a wind chill of 28 won't freeze.

@SV-cg3sk 21 день назад

@@dguy321 ask your freezing body which condition it would prefer

@dguy321 21 день назад

@@SV-cg3sk I'm not a battery. The battery feels the actual temp. It doesn't care about windchill. We are talking about batteries after all.

@SV-cg3sk 21 день назад

@@dguy321 Im asserting weather patterns in a geographic area, but you seem to want to talk about thermodynamics. Should I just say that my local area goes colder than -4 F? -15 F with no windchill happens once a winter. -40F with windchill. An object will lose it's thermal energy faster in wind chill conditions.

@dguy321 21 день назад

@@SV-cg3sk so battery range will be more impacted for one day a year on average? Not bad.

@Charvak-Atheist 21 день назад

Sodium ion battery is best option for Stationary storage.

@larryc1616 21 день назад

Yes for residential. sand, salt, concrete and carbon blocks may be cheaper for large city/county stationary storage.

@kensmith5694 21 день назад

Hydro electric pumped storage is the best. The cost per KWH stored is very low.

@marcguindon8499 21 день назад

@@kensmith5694I think he means storage for his house.

@kensmith5694 21 день назад

@@marcguindon8499 I took the meaning of "stationary" as all stationary.

@michaelnurse9089 21 день назад

Battery lifespan not good.

@georgestreicher252 18 дней назад

Still can't beat the energy density of water or price of water. The beauty of gasified water is that many existing vehicles, jets, and turbines can be converted to run on gasified water (hydrogen and oxygen).

@RayMrRobert 18 дней назад

You are fantastic because logic runs your mind. You are smart and honest.

@AndrasMihalyi 18 дней назад

Sarcasm, right ?

@Ghosy01 21 день назад

Oh no ! Giving financial advice again ? You got a lot of flame last time 🙀

@Devo491 21 день назад

Don't you ever get tired of announcing ICE-killing technology? You could alternate with 'Sorry, I was wrong!' videos and double your income. Maybe.

@oldbloke204 21 день назад

Toyota still going great guns in spite of all the statements to the contrary on here.

@marcguindon8499 21 день назад

Don't you get tired of being cynical?

@oldbloke204 21 день назад

@@marcguindon8499 Cynical or reality?

@francoisbeauregard1739 21 день назад

Well, up here in Canada we get regular -20, even -30 during winter, so...

@jimprovan8866 19 дней назад

Ragnor, when they are half the weight and hold twice the power we might see the end of the ICE.

@machoopichoo2 21 день назад

So, RethinkX was right and based on their research this was predictable, even if not intuitive (which exponential change is not). It's like other tech adoption...mass adoption keeps getting faster. The demise of ICE was inevitable - it's mechanical vs. electric tech, and we know what wins in these cases. Analog computers still exist but they aren't anything more than a blip that's not relevant to 99.999% of people.

@aftonline 21 день назад

An electric motor is still mechanical - as are all the other mechanical parts on a car like wipers, door locks, etc. These things are still going to wear out. And now we have the added complication of batteries that give out. Not cheap to fix. The REAL reason ICE will go away is that oil will eventually run out, or become so scarce that it is too expensive for the average person to buy petrol or diesel.

@machoopichoo2 21 день назад

@@aftonline No, peak oil is a myth, for the time being. It's like the line of dullards who have predicted the end of Moore's law. The US is currently producing more oil than any other country in history. The transition, although accelerated by incentives, will occur for economic reasons - BEV costs are dropping like a stone, while ICE keeps getting more expensive. A BEV has around 10X fewer parts than an ICE vehicle, and the moving parts in an BEV are open to huge improvements, unlike ICE engines, transmissions, exhausts, etc. Hence, new electric motors with ZERO rare earth magnets. Battery durability is FUD, with all BEVs in the US having min. 8 year and 100K mile warranties. "Electric vehicles can claim 15-year warranty as CATL outs million-mile battery with zero degradation in 1000 cycles"

@hwirtwirt4500 21 день назад

Clueless.

@PETERJOHN101 21 день назад

@@aftonline Peak oil is a myth, there is no supply issue there. The reason ICE cars can't compete with EV tech is because fuel savings combined with near zero maintenance will drive the cost of battery replacement to zero.

@machoopichoo2 21 день назад

@petertraveller6421 21 день назад

If he can manage 1 year without using words "game changer", we have to give him award.

@serpserpserp 21 день назад

You mean 1 video.

@yoji8130 21 день назад

yeah but how many times can you charge it with the solid state batteries you only can charge them so many times before it goes bad

@chillfluencer 21 день назад

Don't forget that CATL and BYD will halve the prices of their batteries at the beginning of August.

@Wongseifu548 21 день назад

Honestly I don't see the appeal of Sodium Ion batteries other then their price because even though it is substantially cheaper the energy density is its fatal flaw. It might be ideal for stationary storage but for something like an EV its extremely lacking. What we need is solid state batteries

@chrisc62 21 день назад

LFP iis 125 Wh/kg, Soidum is 200 Wh/kg., Liithium Nickel Cobalt 245 Wh/kg. Sodum easy supply chain, much lower cost.

@nightshadowblade 21 день назад

While I agree that we need higher energy density, the stats are still good enough for smaller cars and packs up to around 70 kWh because the price is so phenomenal. I wouldn't want to see those in cars above 80 kWh though, that would mean too much weight to carry around.

@lasbrown6660 21 день назад

You're entering muddy waters when you recommend a stock. My advice is to cease and desist. (You should know that!).

@beeswaxlover 21 день назад

Why?

@dominicwood3750 21 день назад

Good news for vehicles but surely for home storage the goal is cost over energy density? Just big enough to store a days worth of solar for 48 hours of home energy use.

@amandagrant4331 21 день назад

China has never stopped studying battery technology.

@fergyspoolshots 21 день назад

Getting americans to give up their ICE vehicles will be like getting them to give up their guns or get multiple covid shots.

@Mrbfgray 21 день назад

Nope. All it will take is economics. You are comparing giving up CARS, which is closer but also not great to your analogs. Getting the shots was a mistake if one had a choice, but that's a tangent.

@fergyspoolshots 21 день назад

@@Mrbfgray I’m speaking as a current Tesla owner who bought one by choice not mandate which is what their trying to do with EV’s and tried and failed to do in many millions of cases with the vaccine’s. Even when an EV becomes cheaper than ICE because they’ve tried to force it on people they don’t even want to look at it even if it’s better in many ways. If a new Covid strain comes out today how many people will get the shot after what we just went through. With the age of misinformation people hate?EV’s, vaccines and believe the earth is flat,

@andrewsaint6581 21 день назад

Old will die off. Youngsters don't want to get dirty with brake reclines, oil changes, sparkplugs, etc to pay for. Ice is dead man walking.

@jimgraham6722 21 день назад

The horses and buggies went quick enough

@Mrbfgray 21 день назад

@@fergyspoolshots I agree mandates are retarded and counterproductive. But most Americans live hand to mouth and cars are one of the biggest expenses. When they realize they can cut that cost by, say 4X? Yeah they'll switch pretty fast.

@LarryRichelli 21 день назад

While I respect most of the stuff you post, one can find information on some new battery 3 times a day on youtube. Please stop falling into this trap of reporting on vapor wear batteries and stick to the facts like you usually do.

@oldbloke204 21 день назад

@ev.whyking And that Toyota would go down the tubes. How's that working out so far?