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CATL's new LFP battery lasts 3 million miles with 0% degradation for 5 years
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@stevechance150 Месяц назад

"I felt a great disturbance in the force, as if dozens of oil company CEOs suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced."

@phvaessen Месяц назад

They knew it was coming, but tried to silence the solar energy at it's start

@bobwallace9753 Месяц назад

@@phvaessen Don't you think someone whose ox is being gored might be spending money to push the anti-EV, anti-RE FUD that bombards us?

@clnelson321 Месяц назад

That's no moon 😮

@nalakirkwood4425 29 дней назад

😂

@douglascutler1037 23 дня назад

Make it so. I'm more of a Trekkie . . .

@paddylogan13 Месяц назад

I've thought battery storage, both grid level and at home, is the answer for years. I didn't think the technology to deliver it would arrive so soon.

@newguy954 Месяц назад

We are in the middle of an energy revolution

@ttkddry Месяц назад

Batteries do not generate energy, only store it. Does Dunkelflaute ring any bells?

@DanaPearsonVastman Месяц назад

@@ttkddryblah blah blah. We all know that in fact the commenter even said that. Brain dead comment just to comment? Fact is solar is abundant. Storage is needed. Oil needs to go. Shove that gas pump up your you know what?

@paddylogan13 Месяц назад

that's why we need lots of storage. There are other types of battery that store excess renewables and feed it back in over longer periods eg liquid air or pumped hydro. We will need a mix of renewable technologies, but in the medium to long term our reliance on burning things will reduce.

@seniordockman2946 Месяц назад

@@ttkddryReally?

@MrArtist7777 Месяц назад

Having worked in utility-scale solar for years, I can back up what Sam says, fossil fuels and nuclear can’t, and won’t, compete with solar and wind + battery storage. Solar developers are now installing giant solar power plants virtually everywhere, while gas can only be installed in limited, specific areas, and can’t compete on price.

@w8stral Месяц назад

+ battery is because without the + battery, solar/wind are near useless and epic fraud. ... and you have it back assward: Solar can only be installed economically where the Sun shines. Wind can only be installed economically where the wind blows. Where the sun shines and wind blows is not near civilization for the most part making it uneconomical to use supporting basic infrastructure. Gas on the other hand while not as nice as Diesel or coal can still be transported anywhere, stored for an infinite amount of time and used whenever YOU want, and can in ~general be installed anywhere. PS: Until Electric vehicle charger companies get their heads out of their ass making it viable to charge without a stupid phone, and with near 100% uptime on their chargers, EV's aren't going to become mainstream other than for the rich who own a home outright and 2 cars minimum.

@bobwallace9753 Месяц назад

@@w8stral Wind and solar are so cheap that even without storage they make economic sense. Use very cheap wind/solar electricity when it is available, then turn on the gas plants to fill in the gaps. BTW, I doubt you realize how many hours per day wind and solar actually produce. Some rapid chargers have card swipe access. That way you don't have to use a 'stupid' phone. Or you could use a smartphone. The world is passing you by, guy.

@patdbean Месяц назад

Here in the UK most new EV chargers have contactless credit card readers now. Even better than that is to just do plug and charge, you just plug in , it IDs the car and charges that user's account. That way you don't even need a credit with you. Apps these days are only needed to set up the account. @@w8stral

@dcartier1692 Месяц назад

⁠ - “charge without a stupid phone” - rather: charging WITH a phone is the game changer!

@williammeek4078 Месяц назад

@@w8stralthe places that don’t have good winter sun tend to have good winter wind. Sorry, the world is leaving fossil fuels behind

@williamwoo866 Месяц назад

Everything you buy eventually breaks. I worked as an electronics engineer and compared to other companies or customers learned that yes eventually all products break. What our customers liked was we fixed product within 3 days or product was swapped. With my customers after 29.5 years. I had my customers fixed within hours. So all my customers bought warranty and our customers loved us. A product is only as good as it’s support structure.

@AllDogsAreGoodDogs Месяц назад

Yes! Yes! You're right! And thanks!

@avalagum7957 Месяц назад

That makes sense.

@amosbatto3051 Месяц назад

Your argument works when the manufacturer is responsible for fixing something when it breaks, but most things are not sold that way. Automobiles are typically sold with warranties of 8 years and the consumer is responsible for fixing it after that, so the customer prefers to have something with a long mean time before failure, because each failure increases the probability that the owner will decide to buy a new car and junk the old one or sell it off.

@guysimpson9420 Месяц назад

@4:49 "Price per dollar" is mentioned - that's an interesting concept 🤣

@avalagum7957 Месяц назад

Thank you for spotting it 🙂

@lunatik9696 Месяц назад

I am sure that was $/ KW, but I think you already knew. :)

@alancobbin Месяц назад

Cheers Sam ,sending love and unity to the people of Sydney,the Female Police officer first on scene is a Hero🇳🇿🇬🇧❤

@Charvak-Atheist Месяц назад

Why did you allowed Islamist to enter in you country at all ?

@DC.409 Месяц назад

CATL is suppling LPF batteries for Mercedes-Benz eActros LongHaul truck.

@billybobbob3003 Месяц назад

its not proven in the real world its all pr talk.

@DC.409 Месяц назад

@@billybobbob3003 the eActros 600 has been tested across Europe and is now being manufactured for delivery to companies.

@seniordockman2946 Месяц назад

@@billybobbob3003 The LFP battery is proven technology and is getting even better very quickly.

@jonprall Месяц назад

Small and micro nuclear plants will be a great add on. Data centers running off of them will greatly add capacity to the grid.

@christopherj2231 Месяц назад

6MWh is enough to power around 5000 homes for 1 hour. Thank you.

@robertbidochon7949 Месяц назад

lol

@AdamIverson Месяц назад

Edit: I made a mistake where I miscalculated using 6000 mWh instead of 6000 kWh. My bad. Oh well. Below is the previous comment I've made: Lol! That's about 1.2MWh per house per hour, which is about 10.5GWh a year. In comparison, my energy inefficient home consumes about 10MWh per year. In order to draw that much power for one house, since each 200A panel at 240v can only support 48kW power draw, you need a panel 25 times more powerful in order to draw 1.2 million watts at a given moment.

@TB-up4xi Месяц назад

@@AdamIverson ? 6mWh / 5000 = 1.2kWh not 1.2mWh

@pstoneking3418 Месяц назад

A breakdown for those that wonder how you derived that figure. The average home uses 30 kwh a day times 5000 homes equals 150,000,000 divided by 24 hours equals 6,250,000 watts or 6.25 mwh

@pstoneking3418 Месяц назад

@TB-up4xi Your math is a bit off. 6000000 watts divided by 5000 homes equals 1,200 watts for 1 hour of electricity for 1 house. So in a 24 hour period each home uses 1.2 kwh times 24 hours equals 28.8 kwh. The average home actually uses closer to 30 kwh per day so 5000 homes times 30 kwh equals 150 mwh divided by 24 hours equals 6,250,000 watts so he just rounded it to 6 mwh.

@GJP1169 Месяц назад

Let the battery manfacture prove it . I heard for years about cold fusion I'm still waiting

@Ryan-ff2db Месяц назад

CATL has a remarkably good record on bringing out products they announce. They aren't the biggest battery maker in the world because they're full of BS. Cold fusion was always BS.

@mikedrabek9733 Месяц назад

I will believe it when I see it!

@tdcowder Месяц назад

Another miracle!

@daveret1144 Месяц назад

What is fantastic from all these new developments in EV batteries is that eventually the discoveries and the technology flow into home storage batteries and portable power stations. This means less reliance on the grid. Already there are affordable portable power stations having up to 5 kwh or more of storage that can be recharged in an hour or less, which makes them brilliant for camping, off-road adventures, powering hand tools at work sites etc. A 2 kWh portable battery can power a 50 w portable fridge freezer for 40 hours. In the future we can expect that these batteries will become cheaper, lighter and be recharged in around 10 minutes from the grid or 60 minutes or so from portable solar. This provides great opportunities for adventures, remote living and powering appliances away from the grid.

@danielking2944 Месяц назад

If I design a battery pack with guaranteed 10 KWH capacity for five years but put twelve KWH of cells that will degrade 10% during that period in the PACK,then I can guarantee 0% degradation. The bms limits the range of discharge to 10 KWH and even after 5 years the pack will still have the original rated capacity. Entropy has nothing to do with it,it is designed to do a specific amount of work.

@mrhall0 7 дней назад

Is that how this new specific pack is designed? Merely a sleight of hand or have actual advancements been made to mitigate it?

@elduderino7767 Месяц назад

well, they are kind of lying, 0% implies zero degradation when what they are really saying is it's warrantied for less than 0.5% degradation in 5 years - tbh that seems like a stretch, hopefully turns out to be true and the warranty actually holds up lol

@chopsueykungfu Месяц назад

This is awesome news!!

@iakona23 Месяц назад

The price of something like a Tesla Powerwall needs to come down to the point that every home is expected to have one, like a hot water heater or washer-dryer. Imagine how much less fossil fuel would be used if every residential home had solar panels on roof, power wall serving as part of a virtual power plant for grid storage and an EV charger in the garage.

@Ryan-ff2db Месяц назад

I agree. Tesla markets the Powerwall as a premium product, which it kind of is, but there are many lower cost alternatives. EG4 power pro is less than half the cost per Kwh and is a great product. The price of batteries keep falling and CATL predicts $56 per kwh at the cell level by the end of this year, which will continue to push down battery costs. Next year we'll start to see a bigger ramp of sodium-ion and will probably see the first sodium batteries for home storage available as well, which will continue to drive prices down, further.

@phvaessen Месяц назад

Buy an EV and use it as battery for your home when it is in the garage (95% of the time). You get the EV cheaper than a Tesla Powerwall !

@williammeek4078 Месяц назад

There are many lower cost alternatives. For raw storage, DYI stuff is now under $300/kWh.

@Ryan-ff2db Месяц назад

@@phvaessen Where can you get an EV cheaper than a powerwall? I would gladly do this if I could.

@GlenisRetiredNZ Месяц назад

A single power wall in NZ is $20k. It's just too expensive and there are no government subsidies. I hope catl make much cheaper home batteries

@alankooiker4653 Месяц назад

Breaks physics, amazing! First thing in history. Hard to believe 😂😂😂

@orionbetelgeuse1937 Месяц назад

I'm really amazed tat the viking didn't say that after 5 years they still have 110% capacity and by 25 years they will have 200%

@kentmccormick4027 Месяц назад

This is all great stuff. I’m 100% for it!!!! Now show me. Everything always seems to be in the future. Show me!!!!

@bobwallace9753 Месяц назад

Tesla Megapacks are already in place and working. Tesla buys batteries from CATL so that should lend some credibility. CATL is a major, successful company. They aren't likely to make knowingly false claims. I think it will pan out but a tiny bit of skepticism is always wise. We'll see....

@ronblack7870 Месяц назад

places in the world that get winter unlike australia have many days with no viable solar power generation. so doesn't matter how many batteries you have if you are not generating you don't have power. and storing terrawat hours of electricity is no yet viable.

@philborer877 Месяц назад

Sam Please do a video on all of the grid battery energy storage companies doing business today. So far I'm only aware of Tesla at CATL. I've heard about other types of energy storage but most Don't have the scale abilities. If you could find that out that would be awesome. Thanks!

@tennisisphysical Месяц назад

Do a video on Enphase and Solar Edge. Thanks Viking!

@pilozm Месяц назад

When talking about nuclear, you specifically talk about gigantic nuclear power plants, many were built many decades ago. No, there are small reactors that are much cheaper, easier to build and much cheaper, much safer, and more modular. It has a place in reducing greenhouse gas emissions.

@bearcubdaycare Месяц назад

Correction, small modular nuclear reactors are *promoted* as someday hopefully being cheaper. But there's no evidence of that yet. While solar and wind have been plummeting in cost for decades, in the real world.

@KJSvitko Месяц назад

Nuclear energy is too costly and too dangerous. Fukushima and Chernobyl are still spewing poisons into the environment.

@phvaessen Месяц назад

SMR are not in production. While progress is being made, the deployment of SMRs on a commercial scale may still take several years due to regulatory processes, licensing requirements, and the need to demonstrate safety and reliability. Additionally, market factors and public acceptance will also play significant roles in the widespread adoption of SMRs.

@pilozm Месяц назад

@phvaessen I agree that the public may delay or block SMR. But all clean and efficient technologies should be on the table I think.

@KJSvitko Месяц назад

@@pilozm Not technologies that poison the environment. Fukushima and Chernobyl are still spewing poisons into the environment decades after their disasters. They will never be cleaned up.

@briancampbell179 Месяц назад

Let's do some simple maths. If you have a fossil fuel plant pumping out 1GW (a bit smaller than Loy Yang B in Victoria) and replace it with solar plus batteries, how many of these batteries would you need? 1GW is only a small proportion of what is needed. Let's assume we have 12 hours of darkness. In winter it will be longer, in summer, shorter. Also, early in the morning and late in the evening the solar panels won't be very productive, so we would be relying on the batteries even more. At 6.25MWh, you would need 160 of these batteries to supply 1GW for an hour. To supply 12 hours, you would need 1,920 batteries. Renewable power systems are more distributed, so you wouldn't need all 1,920 batteries and solar panels with them in the one place, but distributed or centralised, that's how many batteries you would need. I am certainly not advocating the retention of fossil fuels, but we need some form of energy storage better than batteries. I honestly don't know what that is. Even if we try to use these batteries, I fear the rollout is going to take time we don't have. All this demonstrates is that the move to renewables should have started long ago and we are now paying the price for those who delayed it.

@timothyj5237 Месяц назад

Agree. The math doesn't add up. There will always be a need for fossil fuel in the future to meet energy demands. A gallon of gasoline holds an incredible amount of energy. Unfortunately, ice cars only use about 35% of it for propulsion. If all that energy could be turned into electricity, 2.5 gallons of gas could fully charge my Tesla.

@ttkddry Месяц назад

One word: Dunkelflaute

@bearcubdaycare Месяц назад

If LFP batteries cost USD 50 per kWh as CATL claims will be the case later this year (BYD's numbers aren't much different), that's USD 50 million per gigaWatt hour. Those 1920 units may cost a billion, but how much does a gigawatt nuclear plant cost? Far more than that. The numbers add up fine. Energy infrastructure is expensive, long has been. And yet the grid and production capacity expanded rapidly decade over decade just fine. Look up how much your country spends each year on energy, and realize that a billion dollars is a rounding error.

@gpsfinancial6988 Месяц назад

I get what you are saying but you overestimate the demand in the middle of the night and assume that the fossil fuel plant runs at full capacity 24/7. In Australia power demand at night is roughly half peak demand during the day. Supplementing the solar with wind, hydro, power demand shifting etc. means that battery storage need would be far lower than you estimated. I'm a fan of keeping some fossil fuel plants as backups for the predictable times when there is no sun and the wind is not expected to flow.

@briancampbell179 Месяц назад

@@timothyj5237, that is exactly what we don't need to do. As bad as the maths for batteries is at the moment. Fossil fuel is worse. Especially when used in a vehicle, most if the energy in fossil fuel is wasted as heat. It is why an ICE needs a complex cooling system. It gets around 25% efficiency on a good day. An EV is typically 90%+.

@todddowney45 Месяц назад

SOLAR AND WIND ARE STILL WAY TOO EXPENSIVE HERE IN CANADA ' NOT WORTH THE BOTHER CAUSE YOU WOULD NEVER LIVE LONG ENOUGH FO IT TO PAY OFF . ITS LIKE MINI SPLIT HEATERS ' WAY TOO EXPENSIVE 'NOT FESIBLE OVER TIME .

@calebsturges4919 Месяц назад

Of course the video doesn't even touch on how costly it would be to try and store months of energy in a battery bank between seasons - to back up the Australian grid with batteries between seasons it would cost trillions of dollars.

@phvaessen Месяц назад

you don't need month of storage. If your solar production capacity is large enough you don't need more than 120 hours of battery storage ... in Alaska !

@calebsturges4919 Месяц назад

@@phvaessen The amount of solar production is variable. All it would take is one snowy winter or a long rainy season with sufficient cloud cover to push the electrical production to near zero of the course of several months.

@cookingonthego9422 24 дня назад

This is a big thing indeed. Lovely

@chadgdry3938 Месяц назад

3:50 Zero battery degradation for the first five years. What happens then? 10:30 Battery lasts twice as long. To what, lithium batteries that last 8 years? What does that look like with 100% capacity until 5 years and then functioning for another 11 years?

@robertfonovic3551 Месяц назад

Sam just utters nonsensical jibberish.

@grahamoldfield3871 28 дней назад

Wind power is proving to be a financial problem around the world . Solar is about the best but I think it's reached the lowest price it can be. . One thing to watch is old coal and gas fired plants being updated and running battery storage so they can run at near full capacity 24 hours a day and store the excess power from the night to sell during the day . These batteries will enable the reduction in the cost of generating power over a yearly figure . The other thing to watch is the cost of Natural Gas which is in huge abundance the actual cost could drop by 75% or more in the next two years .

@paulkearsley9509 Месяц назад

Another day, another wounder battery that will never see production

@kamsunleong6648 Месяц назад

You are talking about China. They always walk their talk. They say they will build their own space station without outside help, they did. They say they will land a rover on Mars and they did. Xiaomi said they will build and launch their own ev within 3 years, and they just did. Etc etc

@paulhillman400 Месяц назад

@@kamsunleong6648They said, they would honour the British agreement over Hong Kong....................they didn't. "They always walk their talk". Time you woke up.

@jimmyzach5907 Месяц назад

@@paulhillman400 Didn't China honour the agreement for ±25yrs until Britain tried to recolonize Hong Kong using violent separatist protests that led to multiple deaths?. You're just mad that China reclaimed what was rightfully theirs and still continue to honour the two-state solution agreement.

@paulhillman400 Месяц назад

@@jimmyzach5907 The agreement was for fifty years.

@paulhillman400 Месяц назад

@@jimmyzach5907 Britain didn't try to recolonise Honk kong, I don't know where you got that nonsense from.

@terryward1422 Месяц назад

Imagine economic impact of cheap electricity in places like Australia, south east Asia and Africa?

@Xind0898 Месяц назад

coal industry rip?

@Xind0898 Месяц назад

short bhp?

@amjedali5164 Месяц назад

Countries that have regular power cuts because coal power plants are outdated or getting the coal to the plant has logistics or price issues as price of coal fluctuates. This will be a gamechanger, solar is affordable but the problem has always been storing the energy was too expensive. CATL CEO is one of the best minds in the world when it comes to battery tech, VS Toyotas CEO a rich kid with an MBA and some family connections to get him a job that would struggle to change a battery on his alarm clock.

@BTom16 27 дней назад

I suspect too much is being read into these degradation numbers. It is easily possible to mask battery degradation. All they have to do is only allow charge to a lower voltage and then increase the terminal voltage a tiny bit, as the internal resistance goes up and efficiency goes down, to compensate. Externally, capacity remains impressively constant but the battery is still degrading. Tesla did this early in their history by shipping larger packs than were available to the customer and only unlocking capacity if the user paid for the extra energy storage. It's still impressive but it could be battery management and not cell behavior.

@Justwantahover Месяц назад

With that amount of recharges and such a good energy density, we can afford to hover! What about an Ebike that can go uphill when there isn't one. 😅

@philjimmybob5650 Месяц назад

sounds a little too good to be true, doesn't it?

@timothyj5237 Месяц назад

Good content, thanks. I would like the focus of future energy needs to be placed on individual homes rather than the grid. Home and property owners will benefit due to cost savings. Weather type events such as cold snaps are easily predicted and gives time to power companies to cycle up an energy plant to meet the additional power needs.

@seniordockman2946 Месяц назад

Agree! Dispersed power!

@bobwallace9753 Месяц назад

That makes sense to some extent. But having every building be a standalone energy producer is not efficient. Since the grid is already in place we can move unneeded 'single building' electricity to places where it is needed. And we can share output from things like wind farms and hydro facilities which individual buildings could not afford.

@seniordockman2946 Месяц назад

@@bobwallace9753Dispursed energy production actually works well and with batteries you need not depend on the grid entirely. Our last grid power outage lasted 4 days. Had We had batteries and solar we would have weathered the outage much better. The efficiency argument is very weak when my neighbors actually use my excess power when I produce it.

@bobwallace9753 Месяц назад

@@seniordockman2946 What you seem to be saying is that grid-connected dispersed production is, generally, the best solution. Agreed.

@timothyj5237 Месяц назад

@@bobwallace9753 I believe they have this type of system setup in California. Homes with solar are consider virtual factories. They feed excess energy back to the grid to power other areas. I am not quite sure but I think Tesla is involved with the Tesla Energy Software

@jamie-ck6js Месяц назад

The problem which still hasn't gone away, is what do you do when you have six weeks of cloudy, relatively calm weather? You need something else as backup for that situation, now you need to add the cost of the backup to the cost of the battery.

@phvaessen Месяц назад

the battery IS the backup

@terryward1422 Месяц назад

Can you imagine the economies of scale that CATL will achieve with this new battery chemistry if it performs as advertised? If these CATL batteries are adopted by existing grids, extensions to existing grids and by brand new grids in under serviced regions around the world?

@phvaessen Месяц назад

you won't need grid anymore - it's disruptive technology

@bobwallace9753 Месяц назад

@@phvaessen The grid will continue to make sense in most places. Solar is not a 12 month solution in some parts of the world. Wind and hydro are needed there and those need the grid.

@phvaessen Месяц назад

@@bobwallace9753 t The challenge with the grid lies in its need for scaling up. Batteries offer a solution to absorb peaks and could partially alleviate the strain on the grid. Each unique scenario requires a tailored mix of solutions. Combining solar, wind, and battery technologies could be expanded to provide complete coverage, even in the winter months. However, achieving this requires a significant overcapacity. The encouraging aspect is that by investing an additional 20%, you can attain a surplus of 200% in power capacity. There exists a trade-off between power generation and battery storage. With ample overcapacity, only 120 hours of storage are necessary in Alaska to achieve full coverage. The costs of solar, wind, and battery setups are decreasing, and once the initial investment is made, electricity becomes essentially free for at least two decades with near-zero marginal costs. Scaling the grid to meet expanding demands is also an investment, and both options must be carefully balanced.

@orionbetelgeuse1937 Месяц назад

luckily it will not perform as advertised. When did a chinexe product performed as advertised? I fondly remember the 10000mAh 18650 batteries

@bobwallace9753 Месяц назад

@@phvaessen Yes, distributing solar and storage around the grid decreases the need to upgrade the grid. Yes, we will need to overbuild wind and solar in order to have enough at times. But what few seem to realize that our grids are already massively overbuilt. Using US numbers, our coal plants and combined cycle natural gas plants operate between 50% and 60% of nameplate capacity. Hydro runs a bit less. Gas peakers operate below 10% of nameplate. Overbuilding is one way of making sure we have enough for the highest demand moment of the year. We did it will fossil fuels, we'll do it with renewables. Some have gotten a bit carried away with 'free energy'. There will be a capital cost, there will be operational costs. There will be times when generation is higher than what can be used or stored. During those times that electricity can be sold for drastically lower prices just to contribute something to the overall cost of generation. But it won't be free to generate.

@MichaelLloydMobile Месяц назад

Actually, Ambrie made a liquid metal battery that has zero battery degradation, and is perfect for grid level storage. They have since been sold, and I don't know what happened to them, I hope they are further developing this technology.

@seniordockman2946 Месяц назад

I had not read that Ambri had been sold. I was hoping that that company would be successful, although I know that it is very difficult to break into the stationary storage market. Is Dr. Don Sadoway still connected with the company?

@MichaelLloydMobile Месяц назад

@@seniordockman2946 My understanding is that the founder of ambre, and many of the students that help start the company remained in their positions when they were sold. However, it's been a while since I've heard anything, so it's difficult to say what's happening currently. I too had high hopes for Ambre, and really hope it can make a difference with grid scale energy storage. Liquid metal batteries, designed from inexpensive materials, that continue to function for many years, is an outstanding solution that can solve many problems.

@kevinW826 Месяц назад

It will still breakdown, no matter what any Yahoo thinks and says.

@architkumarsingh4547 Месяц назад

I think the use of nuclear power as baseload and renewables as intermittent will be much useful for energy generation.

@phvaessen Месяц назад

a rough estimate for the construction timeline of a nuclear power plant is typically in the range of 5 to 10 years from the start of site preparation to commercial operation. IF you get all the approvals first. Nuclear energy is more expensive than solar (solar + wind + battery) and faster to build, you can build it everywhare (even on your roof). Solar is "intermittent" if the production capacity is too low. There is a tradeoff between extra battery storage or extra solar production capacity. You can build a 100% coverage with solar.

@architkumarsingh4547 Месяц назад

@@phvaessen By the way, I fully support renewables. But including Nuclear with Renewables will give us a robust energy source.

@phvaessen Месяц назад

@@architkumarsingh4547 I fully spport nuclear, but it takes a lot of time to build new nuclear plants, and thorium nuclear is not commercially available, fusion too far away. The immediate, scallable, low cost and clean is solar. 175 square miles in a desert is enough to generate enough electricity for the entire USA.

@johnmeeks7320 Месяц назад

@@architkumarsingh4547 Banging on about Nukes wont change the fact it is too expensive and will never match renewables.

@G11713 Месяц назад

...so not zero degradation but rather merely negligible degradation for the first five years.

@orionbetelgeuse1937 Месяц назад

depends what one should consider negligible. Coming from a chinese company I would say that 30% is negligible.

@Trust_but_Verify Месяц назад

What's the whole story? Does battery die on the 6th year? Degrades 20% a year after 5th?

@callmebigpapa Месяц назад

Wish they would make these batteries for the Leaf as a retrofit

@Uberkeko. Месяц назад

Don't bait please

@carrdoug99 Месяц назад

This is undoubtedly a good development. I started investing in the electric sector a few years back, specifically because of this type of technology. I have to ask you, Sam. Is your staunch support coming from an emotional position. The problem with battery grid storage isn't so much longevity. It's cost per kwh. Currently, the typical duration of a battery farm is 2-4 hrs. With some outliers reaching 6 hours of storage. All because of cost. You gloss over this part of the equation in your report. "Costs are coming down." The important question is by how much? It will have to be low enough to account for more than the day night cycle. The industry standard capacity factor for solar is between 10 & 25. With Australia occupying the upper end of this scale. The UK, as an example, occupying the lower end of the scale.

@N0rdman Месяц назад

Please Sam; do the calculations again and then add the cost of the changes necessary for balancing the grid and also supplying power in the the areas were sun isn't available during most parts of the year and night time. The investment needs to be recovered, that means you need to get paid for the power you generate. That doesn't happen with intermittent power like with solar or wind power. When there is enough solar power plants, the price drops to zero and that means the customers will have to pay the entire investment, either by tax or sky high prices for power.

@neildolan7177 Месяц назад

The sun belt does not have sun all the time like Queensland. Wind is important to the mix. There are other batteries emerging for bulk storage made outside China.

@thamesmud 25 дней назад

Wow, the sun shines at night in Queensland, must be all that Vegemite.

@terryward1422 Месяц назад

Imagine the adoption rate for EVs in under serviced region if cheap and plentiful electricity was made available to the consumer.

@JoeyBlogs007 Месяц назад

If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

@stevechance150 Месяц назад

I don't know. China has proven over and over that their scientists can steal some of the best technology from other countries.

@hamidalsaid6474 Месяц назад

It will probably bring the oil price down as well.

@Lisa.Jacobson 28 дней назад

Finally, a battery that'll outlast my relationship with my Wi-Fi router! 😂

@victorsvoice7978 Месяц назад

Nuclear is too expensive for Australia. Australia can manufacture solar batteries. Many Australian houses will have rooftop solar and battery storage in the future. There will be less need for grid power.

@coulterjb22 Месяц назад

The key is having a warranty carried out by a local vendor with a bond that covers the warranty. A unit that goes down and can't be replaced is an investment killer!

@bobwallace9753 Месяц назад

It does not need to be a local vendor. All that is needed is a valid warranty.

@coulterjb22 Месяц назад

@@bobwallace9753 What I mean is you could have the legal right to have something repaired while never getting it repaired. Or waiting for a 'repairman' to come from out of town. Things to think about that can affect you while the system is down.

@bobwallace9753 Месяц назад

@@coulterjb22 The large battery systems installed to date consist of many standalone packs. If one fails it has no impact on the others. If there's a problem of frequent failures then there will be people on site or close by to make repairs. If the whole site goes down that's almost certainly a problem with the transmission lines which is a local utility issue.

@melleblanc971 Месяц назад

Fantastic tech for Africa and S Asia to get away from coal.

@100c0c Месяц назад

Only if China funds it. Otherwise countries will just use local resources which also benefit the local economy more

@zAlaska Месяц назад

Total Destruction of the solar panel Farm and those on rooftops by the heavy hail. Why did they not Swing Away a point in the direction that wouldn't be so damaging, what is the solution?

@fozz878 Месяц назад

Any indication on price?

@pstoneking3418 Месяц назад

It is an excellent place to store our solar energy.

@lunatik9696 Месяц назад

Batteries are a great enhancement and can be used with coal and other fossil fuel power plants. Coal generally runs at 300% of nominal load for peak demand since it takes many hours or days to ramp up to 100%. Batteries would allow them to run close to nominal demand and use batteries while it ramps for peak scenarios. Better yet, enough batteries would reduce./ eliminate ramp up delays. Gas Peaker Plants still have ramp up delays of 1 to 12 hours for full output. This due to the time requires to boil the water used to turn turbines. Think about the volume of water needed. Either way, batteries alone can reduce coal usage. Adding solar and the need for coal diminishes greatly. If each homeowner had a 15KW battery, they could all but eliminate the need for peak production. 1 15KW battery powers my small home including A/C for 24 hours with no sunshine. I am sure apartments and condos could get a better ratio of battery to person.

@michaeltimperon9532 Месяц назад

Can't wait for my power bill to come down then.

@ulysseskh Месяц назад

3:40 the main points …

@eddiegill Месяц назад

NG is still the best option to heat one’s home.

@johnmeeks7320 Месяц назад

Ha Ha paying twice as much for gas as you would for RCAC

@iSot80 Месяц назад

Ok, this is Great news. So if this battery tech will last 2 million miles on EVs and will be 100% safe without battery degradations at all, then there will not be any reasons why manufacturers would not offer the 100% full battery warranty for 20-25 years.

@sahastradhara Месяц назад

Auto makers and energy sector everywhere kept it's head buried in the sand, hoping to squeeze in some profits just a little while longer, while Chinese were quitely preparing to uproot everyone everywhere entirely. And we are now seeing who is winning this battle

@1voluntaryist Месяц назад

Ice Land is betting on geothermal energy plants that will be 5x better once they perfect the tech. DC transportation has been changed to be cheaper, less loss.

@darrylhughes4900 Месяц назад

Are CATL producing their batteries for household solar storage? … and if so, at what price?

@johnbrown4568 Месяц назад

The Viking says flying cars next month 🤣

@kkarllwt Месяц назад

xpeng. now

@eddiegill Месяц назад

India seems like a big market for solar and batteries

@bobwallace9753 Месяц назад

India is one of many countries that has benefitted by micro-solar for years. And there are a lot of solar and wind installations already in place. Inexpensive batteries will allow much larger use.

@thestonksmarket1897 Месяц назад

*cries in 2024 Model 3 that won't get this new LFP battery*

@ALCLCFVIS Месяц назад

i just want the opportunity to buy one of those smaller cabinets without the European "tax".

@johnsweet8964 Месяц назад

It's all bluster and bluffing like a poker game. When verified by 3rd party unbiased testers I'll listen😮

@orionbetelgeuse1937 Месяц назад

I've rarely seen so much b-kissing for the chinese

@RWBHere Месяц назад

That 1MW/2MWh battery shown will power 100 homes using an average of 5kW each for 4 hours. There is a crying need for more wind, Solar and hydro electricity generation, along with much more storage. How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time. It's happening.

@decimal1815 Месяц назад

CATL batteries would indeed by the ideal solution to always-on energy. The only snag is the batteries are made in China, and it's highly likely that sanctions will be applied at some point over the next 36 months when the Taiwan war starts.

@bengt_axle Месяц назад

Australia has a huge coal industry and it has supplied the energy sector for quite a long time. Don't you hear a lot of criticisms from your compatriots about how unreliable solar is (because it does not work if the sun is not shining; because wind propellers are not recyclable, as is the case with solar panels)?

@daveret1144 Месяц назад

Ambri has a liquid metal battery undergoing real world testing that has a potential lifespan of 300 years without needing any servicing! It is a cheap, container sized system which has enormous potential for grid storage of energy.

@nomenetasaili8598 Месяц назад

How much do these things normally cost? Anyone knows? Our country uses around 71MW of electricity in 2020 from the figures I found. Might be somehting for our govt own power untilty to look at so I am curious about the costing if anyone can find anything please.

@colinwiseman Месяц назад

Your country is tiny?

@nomenetasaili8598 Месяц назад

@@colinwiseman Yes super tiny. Samoa with a population of 200k people. South pacific Island and we are the most affected by climate change. We are still too reliant on our power gird whcih around 51% is generated from fossil fuel. 49% renewable with most from hydro but solar is comming up fast but again the major issue is stroage for night time use

@chrishaberbosch1029 Месяц назад

I think a mega pack is like $2 million. Maybe need like 8 depending on configuration? Maybe fewer.

@nomenetasaili8598 Месяц назад

@@chrishaberbosch1029 Thank you. Good to know a ball park figure. 2 million is very resonable.Obviously with service/transport/installation and others it would double or perhaps triple that. "As of 2022, total installed capacity of the renewable energy plants in Samoa was 31.61 MW. Overall, hydro power plants account for 15.64 MW (or 50%), solar accounts for 14.67 MW (or 46%), wind contributes for around 0.55 MW, while biomass is approximately 0.75 MW." Our solar production is only 33MW so yes only about 2 would do i would imagine. www.mof.gov.ws/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Energy-Sector-Plan-2023-2028-English-Version-1.pdf

@dubsydubs5234 Месяц назад

Not sure saying 0% degradation is an honest statement unless you know they have 100% reliability. Lots of things make claims about there capability but when reality comes along it's theoretical, EV's are the latest false claims, internet speed was the worst culprit, it seems batteries are to take over.

@w8stral Месяц назад

Downvote: Used weasel terms and not C rate.

@nicholasglade4572 Месяц назад

Tesla is facing competition on all fronts. Watch out for the sock price.

@haroldanderson5035 Месяц назад

and they keep winning. FSD is getting really close now. so is robo taxi, mega packs are already taking off and optimus is getting very close. the new batteries from CATL and north volt are going to make EV sales explode next year. the big guys know this and they keep accumulating stock from the little guys who think the current poor earnings report is important. there is a good chance they will license FSD to other companies like microsoft does with windows.

@elduderino7767 Месяц назад

teslas secret weapon is full vertical integration in argentina everything is there, lithium, phosphorous and iron and low labor costs

@Dirt-Diggler Месяц назад

Dam it ! I want cheap socks 🤬 preferably buy 1 get 1 free 😂😂

@garyhiland6013 Месяц назад

@@Dirt-Diggler too easy

@johnmeeks7320 Месяц назад

@ev.whyking Thats why they are number one seller? Huh!

@undisclosedthai Месяц назад

This CATL product will makes BYD/FinDreams both the next Kodak and the next Nokia!

@phvaessen Месяц назад

BYD will announce the same type of battery in a few days, ike they usually do.

@MichaelF350 Месяц назад

Yes, distributed solar farms with batteries for the evening is a big part of future electricity. Natural gas is very cheap in the US and will be baseload power for a long time. The main cost of rooftop solar is not the panels, it is everything else, which will not go down unless the efficiency of the panels increases. The upfront costs for renewables is very high and the cost of money has increased sharply in the last few years, so that has offset the innovations, so I think Tony’s predictions are going be a little too optimistic. New electricity yes, to power ai and cars, but rapidly replacing existing NG…no way..

@seniordockman2946 Месяц назад

Natural gas as a fuel produces a lot of greenhouse gases, I believe in the form of methane, which is a dangerous pollutant.

@katherandefy Месяц назад

Natural gas is cheap??? I really don’t think so. It is not cheap. Some people just have a lot of money. Solar is cheap.

@HoopsKevinski Месяц назад

Didn't Fukushima POWER PLANT meltdown because it needed the grid for... power, which went down from tsunami?

@josephvanorden3782 Месяц назад

This is a great battery. But what people don’t realize is that it is the software that makes these storage systems work well for the grid and Tesla has far away the best software. I would want a CATL Battery with Tesla software. The battery by itself will not be as useful.

@gregkelly2145 Месяц назад

You're talking about 'traditional' nuclear with basic designs dating back to the '50s. The new thorium molten salt designs are a potential game changer as the reactors can be mass produced. They won't be affected by clouds, day/night or lack of wind and will not require batteries. That will leave batteries available for transport and home backup.

@AORD72 Месяц назад

Where are these thorium reactors then? I bet they won't compete with batteries that last for +100 years.

@marcelreijnen Месяц назад

They do require batteries, since they are difficult to regulate. Fixed production coupled with flexible use is the same problem as flexible production and flexible use. In both cases you need batteries to balance the grid. You have to synchronize production and use one way or another.

@gregkelly2145 Месяц назад

@@AORD72 They're building several in Europe and China right now.

@gregkelly2145 Месяц назад

@@marcelreijnen No, they're not difficult to regulate, according to what I've read. Remember, not a '50s design.

@AORD72 Месяц назад

@@gregkelly2145 So no working ones then?

@snappingclam8801 Месяц назад

This battery has been independently tested and proven, has it?

@user-dc2ot2tj2b 28 дней назад

the battery is okay but they are not the only one.

@raymondcanessa7208 Месяц назад

We need to Learn to Stop Worrying and Love the ICE

@kamsunleong6648 Месяц назад

Just dump my ice and bought an ev. Just got tired of the endless engine problems and costly visits to the workshop.

@raymondcanessa7208 Месяц назад

@@kamsunleong6648 better off with a corolla

@francischan57c Месяц назад

MegapackS will crush oil coal gas. RIP

@DennisMathias Месяц назад

Caution: at 6:06 those are not photovoltaics. Those are thermal panels. Probably don't want to go there.

@richardmenz3257 Месяц назад

I actually think minimum battery storage is what is needed. Over do the solar a shit ton so we have a lot of extra cheap power to use for industrial processes

@capmarketer5038 Месяц назад

I'm buying a house, and I'm gonna put these in and get off grid

@zemo2332 Месяц назад

Game changer 👍

@stefan2796 Месяц назад

Another one? Yesterday and the day before that also.

@ubermenschen3636 Месяц назад

@ 2:19 , mass adoption of photo voltaic power because solar panel price decreased by 93% in the last 5 years ? Don’t bet on it. US tariff on Chinese battery increased by 100% in the same period.

@MauriceOldis Месяц назад

Household version???

@user-dc2ot2tj2b 28 дней назад

it is not the battery but the cel and how you use them and there are 1000 expert on youtube selling them because advertising is jus selling.

@echoeversky Месяц назад

Nuclear is still great as that we can make NuScales SMR's "quickly" given they've passed US Regulatory muster. The issue (with just about every key element) is Uranium mining and processing. Storage of nuclear waste is a solved problem, if we have the will to do so. I wish Tesla would buy them out and get their reactors made in Giga Factories.

@bobwallace9753 Месяц назад

NuScale, the company, has failed. Nuclear is simply too expensive. In order to become competitive someone would have to figure out how to drop the cost by about 80%. Cutting the cost of a mature technology by 4x would take some sort of magic.

@Gweilo.Biden.1 Месяц назад

If this is true it would seem to be a nice breakthrough.

@ronblack7870 Месяц назад

your solar numbers are they an installed price? with all associated wiring and disconnect switches etc? i keep hearing how batteries are getting cheaper yet they still cost a fortune for the consumer at the retail customer level. like an ionic battery still costs 60k to replace in canada. when a complete battery replacement costs 3k then i will say it's viable to buy old used electric vehicles.

@jonprall Месяц назад

5 years and 1 day = 100% degradation. ;)

@kamgarcha1021 Месяц назад

A battery that doesn't degregate? Is it April Fools day, again 😂

@ep8029 Месяц назад

This would all sound great if it were not for the part about China establishing a monopoly over this. Probably not wise to rely on an increasingly aggressive China for your strategic infrastructure.