Caught doing the 'California roll' can get you fined 

The conservation of their own pocket books

How is it a scam?

It def is

@@tommydong8070 because you don’t have to pay it 🤦🏻‍♂️

it is unnecessary policing at a stop sign where there is NO other cars!

If you make a full stop which you supposed to. What’s there to worry about?

@@Jonathaneve5 This is such a non-issue the park shouldn't care about. Greed on the part of the government.

@@Jonathaneve5you’re already at about 5 mph and can stop on a dime if theres another car, i dont see the problem?

@@I1ght961 Not hard to you know just stop like youre supposed to

IT LITERALLY SAYS FULL STOP. IT"S NEVER BEEN LEGAL TO NOT. YOUR FRIEND TELLING IT IS WAS WAS LYING.

🤞

some good Samarian is gonna come with some spray paint

Spray paint and crazy glue for keylocks

Felony

Let's hope. this is scummy.

It's crazy bro, they really try taking your money at any opportunity

Are there really no consequences?

😂

​@bellinghamfpv no it's illegal just not a felony.

Both are wrong,I wish there were harsher punishments for both. Not this pay a fine and you can keep on endangering others BS.

They just love finding ideas to get money out of peoples pockets

@@CALILIFE8251yup

It's a money maker.

It isn't hard to be safe on the road. Just be smart lmao. Are people incapable of stopping for 3 seconds so that they dont hit and potentially kill someone?

At 1 mi an hour 😂​@@itsmepappiepaper9704

Yes but how come they've been getting away with it for 10 years? They must have found some loophole.

Impersonation law enforcement much

They are a part of a state agency. Most likely, there's a state statute that was signed into law allowing them to enforce these rules and issue citations for breaking the rules on property under their jurisdiction...

Neither does the government or the state police/highway patrol. This is all a tactic for people to give into police authority by saying these people don't have authority "The highway patrol have that authority" Its all a trick from the system to have YOU ADMIT who has authority over you

Business is booming

Mr. Krabs

actually the court would like to favor the drivers since the court and their associates then get paid. just like the traffic camera, the court are against it as it doesnt bring revenue to them but third party people makes the money

Who has time and money for court?

Jesus, they don't take shoplifters, drug dealers, and a myriad of other FELONS to court. Ain't Commiefornia GREAT!

let them take me to court. Let them send it to debt collectors. They have zero authority and are overstepping their bounds

You ignore a simple law like stopping completely at a stop sign. What does it save you? Three freaking seconds, There absolutely no reason NOT to stop.@@bambur1

HOA's get away with issuing ticket until someone takes them to court over it is because they force you to sign a contract that you will follow their rules when you move I to the HOA. Notice how house flippers get blindsided by HOA's then state how they try to avoid HOA's because they end up overspending on the renovations having to redo work after the HOA doesn't approve work that was completed before informing the house flipper or contractors even those they sat there watching the work being done and never said a word to any of them that the house was part of a HOA. Hell there are almost daily stories now about how HOA's violate mandatory laws that supercede their rules and law enforcement and courts have to go after the HOA's for refusing to follow actual laws that they are not authorized to ignore.

If they have moved the signs back without the relevant approval from the department of transport and infrastructure, and someone is killed in an accident as a result, I'd imagine a HUGE lawsuit would follow.

It's the city's job to manage the parks and the roads, and also, u do give me the thought if they (this real or fake organization), just randomly installing stop signs at places were there wasn't one or shouldn't be there, just scare people out of their money. And another thing to, how do they have access to ur credit info? That's a bit strange...

@@andrewli1519 Anybody can have access to your credit info by paying for the service at one of the credit bureau (eg TransUnion or Equifax).

Just stop at the stop sign and then creep forward it really not that hard.

How do you get "tricked into rolling the stop sign"? You CHOOSE not to stop.

You forgot Crossing the international border and demanding free stuff

Shooting off guns? I didn’t know they did that at sideshows lol

Different agencies have different responsibilities, MRCA will do backup on occasion but they mostly police the homes around the mountains. They are state funded and are a legit organization. Mostly at beck and call of the homeowners around the mountains.

Don't forget the super loud, unnecessary vehicle mufflers!

@@gofar12345 I recently wrote to my representative about that. It seems over the years exhausts are just getting louder and louder AND on more and more vehicles. On weekends it is difficult to enjoy some popular recreational areas any more because of all the noise of loud piped cruisers.

Waste a week of your work…

@@Jonathaneve5 I'm retired, It would be entertaining, hope it's you....

@@JoeFlation me what??? Go enjoy your time at court, lol.

@@Jonathaneve5 It's "in", not "at", I smell a foreign troll.

@@JoeFlation I’m not an American because I misused a word? Have a good day, sir!

exactly😂

This is the one time I think emissions are not the concern

​@@weskelly4538 it aint.. but thats just something that "rolling" helps out with.. aint much but hey its something! And something is ALWAYS better than nothing

Many things are more efficient when you break the law. Cheat on your taxes for example.

Full stop is not stated for emissions. Never was.

Give it some time

Yeah someone who doesn't care about endangering others by just rolling threw a stop sign,won't care about destroying property.

Maybe you should come to a complete stop and get off the phone with ur boyfriend,bro.

How is it a scam munkei? That is a stop sign. Would you like to get a point put on your driving record and your insurance cost goes up? Yes, I misspelled that word.

Isn't rolling through a stop sign illegal?

@@tommydong8070Actually the reporter at 1:15 or so clarifies that it is just a fine, you don’t get points on your record and it doesn’t affect your insurance.

A rigid stop isn't the goal, public safety is! If its safe, people should be allowed roll.

How is it a scam?

@@Jonathaneve5Because most people who get these notices will think that they are related to their driving record when they are not. It’s an abuse of public perception of these types of fines.

Because they aren't real tickets. Even if it goes to collections they have to prove it's your. Simply don't acknowledge them and they go away.

The government is not for the people, it’s for the money.

Well videos can be ai generated

Those same cops also use this, where do you think these people got the equipment from?

That kind of citation is for court. This citation is more of a fines citation.

Welcome to sunny California.

You just connect to the DMV. I got in an accident in the 90s and not long after, I got notification from DMV stating they gave registered vehicle list to some law firm. Then, I got another that the law firm got my driving record.

"While MRCA Park Rangers are California Peace Officers, they also perform maintenance, interpretation, and fire rescue duties at parks throughout the Southern California region. Automated stop sign enforcement uses camera systems and sensors to detect stop sign violations. A stop sign violation consists of a vehicle not coming to a complete stop behind the limit line. The violation is detected and the camera system records a video image of the entire incident including the vehicle and its surroundings. Automated enforcement of stop signs in heavily used parks makes sense as an additional tool to keep all park users safe, while making drivers more aware of the potential hazards around them. Is this a courtesy notice? No. This is not a courtesy notice. A California Peace Officer has issued this citation after reviewing the evidence of a driving violation."

@@popcorn5130ok sap. This isn’t helping anybody but their own pockets nobody has been killed by a rolling stop

Every DMV sells your information now. Standard operating procedure. That’s how carvana can access your information just by entering your tag on their website.

Looks like the park rangers are far and few. Im glad they cut rangers retirement benefits and employee cuts. But heres your rolling stop camera. ​@@popcorn5130

spray paint can always destroys cameras

Baseball bats do a great job as well.

You're what's wrong with the world. Rules are there for a reason. Threatening to damage property not a good look.

@@musclesmountainsandmascara Private businesses threatening people is ok though right?

@@Joe_Brown99 Or, you know, people could just actually STOP at the sign. Radical idea, I know.

Lol

Lol. I thought it was the name of the latest dance craze 😂.

then they cannot steal money from drivers now, can they?

This 🙌

@@patrickh619if you follow the “stop Sign rule…”

There doing the same thing at etiwanda falls the parking used to be free now you have to pay for it people just need money so bad they be finding ways to make it

Parking isn't cheap any where. I was at Highland and Hollywood, parking was $20! Heck, Las Vegas casinos charge for parking,! That's nuts, as if they don't have enough cash flow! it's just turned into another cash cow.

I went to a doctor office in Burbank and there charging for parking as well it was like 10 bucks my poor 10 dollar I could’ve used that to fix my computer.

Sometimes Mr bean’s idea does come in handy

The parks department is NOT the police.

@@arvurebantra7639 "While MRCA Park Rangers are California Peace Officers, they also perform maintenance, interpretation, and fire rescue duties at parks throughout the Southern California region. Automated stop sign enforcement uses camera systems and sensors to detect stop sign violations. A stop sign violation consists of a vehicle not coming to a complete stop behind the limit line. The violation is detected and the camera system records a video image of the entire incident including the vehicle and its surroundings. Automated enforcement of stop signs in heavily used parks makes sense as an additional tool to keep all park users safe, while making drivers more aware of the potential hazards around them. Is this a courtesy notice? No. This is not a courtesy notice. A California Peace Officer has issued this citation after reviewing the evidence of a driving violation."

To risk an innocent person's bodily injury is a crime.

Private Citizen video of an infraction vs municipal money making video. I have turned in to police and animal control dozens of videos of the pitbull next door jumping the fence at the sidewalk and charging people walking by, jumping the fence and attacking a dog being walked, charging my property where I had to install a gate to stop it from running to our rear cottage. Tolerating at least five different men running in my backyard to retrieve the pit. Both animal control and police saying nothing can be done until the pitbull bites someone. I was told by multiple officers they cannot issue a loose leash violation because it is an infraction and must be witnessed by an officer. I asked how my video doesn’t suffice as evidence and was told by one officer he was an expert in Constitutional Law and then he schooled me about the infractions. Of course if the pit bites someone they will ask for the same videos. My point, video from the public for public safety video doesn’t suffice for an infraction citation, yet for traffic cameras making money for the City or County they do suffice.

Giant sign says "Photo Enforced" soooo, you know camera are in the area LMAOO

Camera is not hidden. It's in a enclosed case for it's protection and there is a big yellow sign telling you about it

The ticket may not be real but the collections agency is. How that works I have no idea.

Rip ur credit score

However, the stop sign is very real.

Obey the stop sign…

Hahaha. What an adorable story.

@@iamedyson ain't it though'

There are laws called Owner's Liability that put the onus on the listed owner... unless that owner identifies who the driver was. 😉 In my state, they use Owner's Liability with illegally passing school buses, the "Move Over" law, failing to yield to emergency vehicles, and some others. 😁

Don't loan out ride to fools.

The bottom line is “rolling through a stop sign” is still illegal

@@popcorn5130 I guess owners of stolen vehicles are also in for the ride since CA doesn't give af.

@@popcorn5130 so, that law means you weren't driving, but a moving violation goes on your record and it affects your insurance?? That's just wrong.

Don't break the law don't get a fine. It's that simple.

Or scam

Cops can do whatever the heck they want. They can even just stop in the middle of the road to give tickets to cars

If we care about the environment as we say we do; we don't want cars sitting, idling at a stop sign when its safe ti go forward slowly.

Sure, so is going 1 mph over the speed limit. But you have never done that, ever, right? If you have you should turn yourself in because you're a criminal according to the letter of the law.

Stopping at a stop sign barely affects the environment… What about traffic jams? Those pollute WAY more.

You almost have a fair argument, but you fail to consider that not stopping at an all way when somebody else has the right of way before you is an EASY way to end up causing an accident, where even going 5 mph over isn’t dangerous, especially if you’re actually a good driver.

HOA = wannabe tyrants

Agreed! It's almost like that's why there's a stop sign there 🤔

Mrca’s acting like they above the law

I hope they have employee discount

A child that is over 18 years in age, try to keep up.

This is a dipsh*t comment.The system is primarily automated, so there aren't many people "worrying about" it... and it's lucrative (i.e., lots of "entitled" drivers who think they can disobey), so they can afford to have a few people handle the non-automated parts without detrimentally affecting all their other "worries."

Very good point

Does that include Mexico?

@@JohnSmith-xx9th I'm not 100% sure on stop sign usage in Mexico but considering that they basically also adopted the MUTCD, I think it is likely that Mexico overuses stop signs as well.

​@JohnSmith-xx9th based on how those who have illegally crossed the border drive clearly stop signs are a unknown concept to them.

If you were in charge of anything millions would die.

@@YodatheHobbit Oh, I guess Europe is a barren wasteland then. Apparently everyone died there because of yield signs.

Cops just turn on their lights to blow through lights and then turn them off after.

Also, there’s usually a DOT sticker on the back of enforced signage… not sure if that changed

Check your local municipal ordinances -- sometimes municipalities enact ordinances that make them enforceable (as long as your state's statutes allow the municipalities to do so). Also, roads in state parks are not considered commercial -- they are usually considered public highways (check your state's statutes for applicability on state park property)

Not true. Also very dangerous.

@@thebikeman Yep, had my car written off i a Safeway's by someone with the OP's attitude.

You sound like a fantastic driver. Thanks for lowering all of our insurance rates.

People that they send the collection agencies after don't realize if they challenge it to the credit bureaus they will win because the collection agency can't prove they LEGALLY own the debt since there was nothing filed with the courts, if the courts would see the tickets they would throw them oit faster than that company can print out the bogus tickets in the first place based on the quality of the photos alone, not including the fact you can't make out the driver in the photo to prove who ran the stop sign.

Except when they're issued by an officer later and put a lein/suspension on your registration.

They were talking about red light cameras the other day on the radio, turns out the cities who actually upgraded their cameras to be compliant with the requirements to have the tickets be enforceable if you even challenge the ticket you already lost the case because they have high quality photos of both your places on the car and a photo of the driver you could use as a head shot when trying to get modeling and acting gigs so their is no question who was driving or if you ran the light. They also only cam issue tickets to cars going straight through a red light not turning even if there is no right turn on red signs around.

@@WolfDShadow bases on my research I personally have choose to ignored these types of tickets and there are no negative consequences. Meaning there is nothing happens to the owners of the cars driving history or credit or insurance. No points on record. The tickets are just a scare tactic to get people to pay with no real consequences when you just ignore the tickets. You only loose when you pay the ticket or show up to court to try to fight the ticket.

The rest of the world knows it as a rolling stop. Not sure why it’s being named after states.

Nope, people call it the California stop here

Every state calls it after themselves.

yes jimmy, everybody else is actually not a POS and follows the law as you should too

There's a sidewalk there.. and the video even shows a pedestrian walking their dog

@@ribstogo12 I said virtually no pedestrian traffic. The definition literally means “nearly/ almost.” Usually such exercises are conducted on busy streets where heavy foot traffic and road traffic is present.

@@timothya.olmeda7299 I guess everyone rolling the stop will just have to get lucky then? If there's ANY chance of pedestrians, you better stop!

@@ribstogo12 When did I claim that no one should stop at a stop sign? I’ve been driving a motor vehicle for 38 years now, I know traffic laws and obey them, with no infractions. My op was directed towards the fact that they chose a place where nothing happens anyways, instead of a place that has more traffic incidents and is more dangerous to pedestrians and motorists. This isn’t rocket science here.

That's the ENTIRE POINT of having it there. So that the rare instance when a person DOES CROSS happens, they don't end up dead.

They’ll only do what makes them look cool and also know they’ll face no consequences for

It's quite possible that it's called a "California Roll" when it occurs in the state of California. 🤔

I bet no states and no single country passes their driving test doing this.

@@foxtrotwolf6081 Most other countries have yield signs instead, aka, 'rolling stop'

Agreed, but they don't seem to legitimately have the authority to fine people. Turn the info over to the cops and let them handle it.

​@@Squawking_Squatcherwho says they don't have the authority?

@@mhaas281 If they had the authority there would be legitimate penalties resulting in more than mere credit issues. There would be legal penalties. Points against their driver's licenses, citations by police organizations, etc.

@@Squawking_Squatcher how do you figure there would be legal penalties? Who is to say? Let the courts decide.

@@mhaas281 But, that's the whole point. The courts are not involved in this. If people don't pay the fines after receiving notifications in the mail, their credit is impacted. They are not given the opportunity to fight it in court because these are not legal authorities issuing the fines. The recipients of these tickets must sue in court over the fines. Ergo, it's a money-making scam. If they had the authority to issue fines then those being ticketed would have the option of fighting the ticket in court. They do not. They are forced to wait until after their credit has been impacted.

rookie cop? didn't stop vs stop wasn't long enough...

Except the tickets this scam is issuing never are registered to the courts so no way to fight them infront of a judge unless you file a lawsuit against the company since they instead send collection agencies after to to damage your credit score in order to make sure you pay them the bogus tickets.

@@letmein218more like corrupt money hungry cop hoping they wouldn’t contest the ticket

FINALLY, a person who actually paid attention in Drivers Ed and DESERVES their license.

Wait you have to stop at stop signs?

You need to take the covid vaccines as well.

Well duh, everyone knows that

Sure, but a California stop at a 3-legged intersection where there's few cars or pedestrians and a clear line of sight in all directions? About as much as a crime as jaywalking, or turning left into a center lane (yes, that's technically illegal), or making a U-turn. This is policing for profit, not a concern for safety.

Okay beta