Cavetown and Cancel Culture | The Dangers of "Outing" 

Thank you for saying that, too many people take things too far

T slur? Trans?

@@movieclipsvideos1781 1:27

@@movieclipsvideos1781 the T-slur is funny but replace 'f' with 'Tr' I don't feel like saying it though.

Kayden Aguilar Traggot? What words are you offended by 😂

Scott in Canada TRUE

It's a little dumpster fire of an app

YES 👏

I mean hell yeah. . . but where are all the birds going to go than? ._.

@@sunkenveth9602 freedom

@Randall Paquet You aren't. You tell them you're a guy and you are a guy. That's all they need to know unless you want to share more. I know one RU-vid reply won't fix everything but there is nothing you are even close to lying about.

thats what pissed me off about that situation, if its 10 years in the future, and ive fully transitioned and i pass enough for people to not know, i probably wont tell them either. this shit has been traumatic, i dont like being trans but the only way to treat the feelings and anguish and distress that comes with it, is to accept it and transition. Cis people dont get this, this isnt fun most of the time. this sucks, but we can make it better.

They're like "you lied to me by not telling me that the genitals you have/had as a child are not the genitals I previously assumed you had your entire life 😡 how could you do this to me"

@@hi-sm6dx so do you think people also should immediately tell their partners that they're infertile too? How about sexual impotence? Some pieces of information are very private, regardless of how they affect your relationship, and if you're not ready to tell it, you're clearly not in the stage of your relationship yet that this information will affect it.

@@RoemDaug I guess in my opinion for trans people (especially women), if they don't tell them early enough some people can actually get violent

exactly, it doesn't make it ok but its ridiculous to "cancel" someone for some things they said when they were a LITERAL CHILD!

“You said a swear when you were 4😳KANCELAAD🤬😡😫🤚”

@@abnormalrabbit5142 Makes me wonder if the people trying to cancel him are also literal children

@@KattReen idk maybe

Reminds me of when a bunch of 11 year old kids tried to cancel a literal 13 year old for tracing art

But Robbie said that he was cis and not trans?! I’m confused

@@namibiasociety4443 He was stealth. The only reason he revealed he was trans was to clear his name because he was accused of being transphobic.

@@hyperinsomniaparacondrioid what does stealth mean

@@mrkrabs5039 That people can’t tell your trans. Another term would be “passing.”

@@reneebear3641 ohh, thank you :)

Exactly, people should stop rummaging through people's past and just enjoy their art

THIS. Someone pin this comment.

Same. i never even questioned it, because, he's Robin he looks like a guy --> he is a guy. He's a guy who makes some really good music. That's all his fans need to know.

True lol for a long period of time i thought cavetown was a band who changed vocalists that's why older songs sound like they were sung by a girl and new songs sound like they were sung by a guy then I find out he is a trans guy and nothing rly changed abt him, he still makes good music..

@@daphnedaphn3 I just thought he went through puberty, that's why his voice was higher earlier on 😂

this is the best comment on this video

Same

Absolutely. Everyone cancels everyone on Twitter, it's a really toxic community

Me too, I'd love to have an account but the community there is toxic beyond belief

Same 😭 I only go on there to check some people’s tweets. My friend tried to get me into Twitter but I cant with the toxicity

They say is about “holding them accountable and educating them” but I think it’s more about ruining their lives and not allowing them to change at all. Even when a considerable amount of time has passed and there’s evident change, these people still have this unforgiving condescending attitude towards “the cancelled” and keep bringing up their past mistakes as if they’ll be a defining factor until the end of time. It’s ridiculous. Let people evolve in peace.

true!

To be fair, it’s kinda been like that from the beginning, especially during the early years of the Internet.

Yes. Its really stupid. We dont need to cance Rebecca for pushing her dog with her foot so the dog wont steal her food

@@mirandajones7816 there is a study that shows people get a drug-feeling trough their brains if they make an online call out post that gets a lot of attention

I honestly only just realized that he only came out recently, and that he was forced out??? i really thought he was just trans and we all knew that and were chill with it and didnt need to talk about it???? but ig i dont know why i just... ive always thought of him being trans as a fact? like i thought he was out?? but also like forcing people to come out.... is so not okay

I didn’t even know he was trans. I’m surprised but I’m also not an active listener.

@@kbartlett2776 i thought its been obvious since the whole 'cut my hair' song and him being a dude with a feminine voice

and also "this is home" like "cut my hair" "hide my chest" like? that was my baby-trans comfort song to cry to

honestly i just assumed he was trans by the start

I thought everyone knew he was trans tho, cause in this is home he talked about cutting his hair and hiding his chest. Then he did a cover and said “you will notice my voice is deeper now”. I just always assumed, it’s sad that now trolls will purposely miss gender him and now he will have that label stuck with him.

He was also 14 and people are treating him as if he was an adult. Also out of all the words he could have said, this isn't bad. People are just looking for something to be upset about

i love Robbie, and i love him no more, no less after he came out, so it sucks that people are like this.

@@sethcavenar8857 ikr 14 year old say a lot of dumb stuff. That's not who Robbie is anymore, and even if you suspected he was trans and wanted him to come out, that doesn't matter. Coming out should have been his choice and not something people forced him to do

I feel so bad he had to out himself. It really sucks.

ikr he is fucking 21 he was quite obviously changed 14 year olds do dumb things, this doesnt mean that those things arent bad but he shouldn't be held accountable for shit he said when he was 14 its like holding a 10 year old for shitting their pants as a baby

at the same time, some people could have taken offence to some of the things that he said & thats perfectly valid even tho the stuff was old.

@@glittergrains5155 true, but he was literally forced out, he was 13. A 13 year old. 13 year olds say stupid shit, next thing what? People are gonna get canceled for something they said when they were 8?

@@glittergrains5155 still, he was a kid. No one cares if ure offended just keep it to yourself dont go make a whole drama about it

@@jonijon04 personally i'm not, but people who those comments did affect have every right to be upset.

Wait, thinking about it, thats probably true

“I’m a dumb teen boy” “I just turned 14 and I think this year I’m gonna be mean” Yeah it most likely is.

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this is how we know that this is the cursed timeline

same tbh. But on the bright side, this video analyzed it in a very wise light and Moe is heckin fine wtf

If Robbie gets canceled, *WE RIOT*

MasterGamer wasd *YES*

Ikr

I’m sure plenty of Jewish, black, and disabled people could explain what it’s like to feel anxious. Yall would have to actually ask their opinion first tho

@@oppaloopa3698 He has anxiety

@@oppaloopa3698 Yeah, you know not only by being disabled, black or jewish makes you feel anxious, there is anxiety because of other things..

@@oppaloopa3698 he didn't even do or say anything ableist. which, it's no surprise you don't know what you're talking about or what happened because you think he came out just for pity even though he came out because people were calling him out for saying the t-slur, and he explained it was more important to him that people knew he wasn't transphobic than to remain stealth. honestly just say you're transphobic and go. you're excusing the fact people outed him and playing it down like transphobia is somehow a lesser form of discrimination.

asheresque Oh yeah, because only jewish, black, and disabled people have anxiety. I’m jewish and (I’m not sure if you’d count this as a disability) I have Tourette’s. Anyone is allowed to have anxiety and yeah, if you need me to fucking give them permission, they are too.

Same here. I listened to This Is Home once and was like "oh nice, a trans song", and when I watched some This is Homs animations, the artists always drew the character as a girl with long hair, because to me the song was so clearly about a trans guy. I had no idea he had a song called Dysphoric though, that seems pretty explict too

@@poeticpotato how come i didn't know these songs are saying these things? What're the lines that give u tell tale to confirm it?

@@iprobablyhaveapoint “ill cut my hair” “ill hide my chest”

@@bean2216 goodness how come I'd miss that thanks tho

I agree, I always knew or sensed it but never looked into it said it or told anyone that I felt that he could be. I loved his music, he is Cavetown.

Yeah I’ve always kind of suspected it but I don’t care if he is or not,, and never felt the need to go out and look for evidence, it’s not my business. I also hate that some cis people can be shitty like that :/ and I’m cis so I have to stand there while they’re making a fool of themselves and go “uh yeah,,,,, nO” It ruins the trust trans people have for cis people to respect them bc of those few idiots and it’s horrible but I understand why they’re hesitant,,

Yeah, once I asked in my groupchat, amongst friends only, never a public place, if he was trans because This Is Home and Dysphoria seemed to be relatable to a lot of trans people, and my friend kinda shut me down and called me a bad person for wondering. I understand now that it’s none of my or anyone’s business, but I would have appreciated her being nicer about it. She isn’t even trans, no one in the chat was trans, but she was friends with a trans guy in America online. *Unrelated vent, can skip/ignore if you want:* Once she kinda compared me struggling with figuring out my gender identity to him collapsing due to heat and wearing a binder for a long time, saying “imagine how hard a real trans person has it” and idk it kinda felt like a kick to the chest. Like I know other people have it worse than me, but that doesn’t eliminate my own struggles. Along with her kinda making fun of kids in the younger years of my secondary school using they/them pronouns and identifying as genderfluid, and fussing about how my ex boyf changing his name was confusing and calling him by his dead name and the wrong set of pronouns, idk I feel a lot of hurt around her when I think of all of that.

Lost Otter wow, that sounds terrible! I hope you have dropped that friend, and moved on from that

i thought i was the only one that knew because it wasnt brought up at all when he started to get bigger, and it confused me because like, he was a big comfort and help for me when i first came out. but then I realized that he didn't want people to know and i understood because as a trans person my goal is to get to the point where i don't have to tell people im trans and i dont even have to worry about people suspecting im trans. when people would ask and call it out on his instagram or like anything else it made me mad and i couldnt even say anything because i didnt want to out him. idk. i just feel so bad about this whole situation. he never should have had to come out like this. its nobodies business.

I knew he was trans it was obvious to me but I just didnt care he is a great person and makes great music

Me too and I love cavetown and I could tell that he made a mistake and is different now

The most important thing to remember is that people can change. You shouldn't defend bad things that you or others have done in the past, but instead just remember that they're a different person now, and that's all that matters :)

@@mediacat20 Exactly. I think todays "cancel culture" and extreme political corectness doesn't leave space for people to change. If you've ever said a bad thing you're dead to so many people. It's really toxic. And seeing how quickly we're changing it's not uncommon at all to find something from past, less educated people, we today deem as ignorant. Pretty much everybody's said stupid shit in the past. And we shouldn't hate each other for it or take for granted that the opinion hasn't changed to that person.

OptForThyName • This! And to add on this I think that my TOK (theory of knowledge) book said it quite nicely. “There is no shame being ignorant.” That is something that the cancel culture is forgetting. Secondly it is just so hypocritical. These people act morally superior while doing something morally wrong or at least grey.

@@nonniperkl6273 Yes! Thank god I'm not the only one who thinks this way. PC and Cancel culture is so common now, and it makes me stressed. Recently a pretty big artist lost supporters for "making fun of bpd", and being transphobic, despite there being evidence of him being a huge supporter of lgbt. It's just a overdramatic, virtue signaling, attention seeking waste of time and energy.

i love minority whiteknights. /sar

As a Jew it’s very disheartening to see stuff like this devolve:( most of just want to see some improvement and then move on

Dit Kind 🥺🥺 ahhh thank u

I agree ! Very pretty-

@@corruptedteka I take Beautiful to mean far far more than " Very pretty "

@@fredmichaels418 Hmm, well, yes probably, but we're all different people.

❤️❤️ yes

the way people act entitled to celebrities/influencers' lives and private business is honestly appalling, and i don't think you should call yourself a fan if you don't respect the person behind the persona

The thing is he's been out forever now....

fundude no he hadn’t been :(

I agree, I'm a cis and straight girl, but I hate to hear that this happened to him. Outing people is plain wrong no matter who you are and how you look at it.

SOCKL01D from what i’ve seen was he was out but he deleted a bunch of stuff regarding that and went stealth

Kids do stupid things a lot. My younger sister once was pretty transphobic and homophobic, she outwardly said to me that being gay was wrong. Now she’s arguing with my mom about trans rights(for trans people, not against).

Same. When i was a kid i was incredibly close minded. Like really homophobic and rude and shit. People change and i wish that it was more accepted to forgive people and help them grow than to knock them down.

I absolutely agree.

i’m 14 and got unrestricted internet access when i was 9 and i know there are terrible things i’ve said that i’ve forgotten things about things i barely understood at the time and if someone called that out and i had to out myself to clear it up i’d be heartbroken

When I was younger, like 5y - 4y ago, I was a shitty kid too. I've never been homophobic, but I was pretty transphobic, I'd make jokes mocking trans people 'cause it was all I've seen the other kids doing. Some years later I met a classmate who was trans and he was a really cool and kind person, so I started researching a lot about the trans community and realized there's nothing wrong with wanting to be yourself. Everything happened 'cause I couldn't understand what "being trans" meant and the amount of struggles they face everyday, but now I'm proud to say I do. Sometimes, It's just the lack of information.

Exactly! I dealt with a lot of internalized homophobia because of my parents, and I was lucky to have had a very open-minded middle school so my beliefs and self-perception changed completely by the time I was like 11, but some people don't get that opportunity until later on. But after they show theyve changed, they take accountability and denounce those views, why would u keep harassing someone for childhood mistakes? Mistakes from when they probably weren't even thinking autonomously?

I was a manipulative person earlier, but during quarantine I finally realized I was in the wrong all theses years. At first it hurt my pride and shit but damn I am glad I changed. I have a friend who is like a mirror of my actions, so I realized how people felt through them

@@Wynter_Frost oh I'm sorry it must've been hard to accept that, tho I'm glad you did thats one right step towards having happy healthy relationships, best of luck to you ❤🍀

@@jotunnhime thank you bud!

Same tho I used to say horrible shit and had my own insecurities. I changed and still struggle/cringe when I look at my past self. I hate who I was before but I’m growing to be okay with myself

I know right ? It makes me sad and mad beyond belief... I hope he's okay.

Teka yeah.. me too

yeah me too

The same thing happened with Brockhampton. They seem like great, genuine people, and Twitter brought up obviously fake allegations with quite a few of the members. Quite a few of the allegations were either disproven, or the people in question said themselves that they were fake. The worst thing that has ever happened is that one of the members had said the r slur, and if I remember correctly, apologized for it. I’m really sorry for people whose reputations are ruined due to Twitter. What’s ironic is that the only case where I can think of cancel culture working correctly is with Shane Dawson, and he still has millions of supporters. Yet people such as J.K. Rowling and Trump have millions, maybe even billions of supporters. It’s disgusting, really.

Nope, still cancel culture doesn't help. When you ban someone for their personal beliefs what do you think happens? Do you think they say "damn, guess they got me this time, better change my mind and stop being a bigot"?

Though I personally don’t like jk Rowling at all, but I still believe she has time to change- everyone changes, and I don’t think it’s right to cancel her entirely. Everyone deserves another chance or more, but unfortunately I don’t think she will make any progress based on what she’s doing so far, but I still have some hope that she’ll “change”

@@dylhilen5707 no, they won't change. that's the entire point. cancel culture isn't just about showing people what's right, it's what comes after you've already tried to teach them. people don't want to support ignorant bigots, so they won't do so when the information is exposed widely and made known to them.

@@Dylan-hl1kt stephen king said he thought she was wrong in what she said and that she is genuinely transphobic in real life. he said that jk was an 'angel', but that even if she's caring at times, she's still got negative views about the trans community. he tried his best to be nice about it while disagreeing with her, and she blocked him.

@@elijahwinchester6690 So if you can't teach people what is the correct opinion to hold, they need to be purged? Should a person's worth and their rights be determined by what personal beliefs or morals they have? I've talked to eugenicists, fascists and racists without believing they should be silenced or re-educated. After all, that would be hypocritical.

LITERALLY I was upset because I love his music and I didn't want to have to stop listening. and then i asked about how long ago it was. for some reason my mom and brother still believes he hasnt changed ???? my brother is for sure not the same as when he was 14. he did stupid shit all the time. and he's been forgiven why can you not see its been 7 years???? it was only 2 for you dude

ahah that is true he does have great hair,, I want that secret too

@@CopsHateMoe sAME like jfc hes got perfect floof hair and i'm down for it

@@secretlyalizzard7030 PLEASE GIMME GIMME

Honestly, I dont even blame him for the racism. He made a mistake but he was a young teenager we all make mistakes

Yeah we must know how he did his hair >:(

Thanks for sharing I really appreciate that, and I 100% agree. The toxic thing about these narratives is that it makes out like people aren’t allowed to make mistakes and learn/grow from them. Peoples opinions are often product of their environments. If you grow up in a racist environment you’re likely to be racist yourself. “Cancel culture” or whatever you wanna call it completely negates that. I honestly think it’s really problematic and in my opinion it feeds into a lot of class/race issues. because of our current socioeconomic situation different communities are more prone to different views, many of which are bigoted. if we can’t recognise how our upbringing and surroundings influence this... well, where is our empathy? i used to be a transmed and I had some really shitty views on that topic. It was only through education that I was able to grow and realise I was wrong. We need to be more open and more empathetic to people and their journeys, because life is complicated. it cannot simply be boiled down to “bigot” vs “not bigot.”

CopsHateMoe you’re welcome! i happened to see it and twitter when everything went down. i completely agree. people get so sucked up in “cancel culture” they forget that people were raised in all different environments and likely had negative behaviors normalized then, like most people, they grew up and learned from it. the lack of empathy is what really gets me, especially when it comes to targeting people who are already minorities with cancel culture. not to say that minorities can’t be bigoted in some way, but the obsession with “canceling” minorities and making them prove themselves while sort of putting their safety at risk gets me. i grew up in a small homophobic conservative town, and as i grew up i saw my friends grow from saying somewhat homophobic things to being completely against that stuff. i barely knew anything about my own history as a lesbian until i was probably 17, and most likely said ignorant things when i was younger. people definitely need to learn to criticize while letting people grow and change. if i held every minor thing my friends said as kids or young teens that was somewhat homophobic, i’d have no friends lol. and most of us are some sort of gay.

I absolutely hate “cancel culture” because of how annoyingly toxic people get and it sucks how Robbie literally HAD to come out or else he would’ve been “canceled” if any of my friends thought cancel culture was amazing I would have told them to go away. Too many people have been negatively affected by cancel culture and the people who are a part of it are so scummy. Robbie changes and decided to move on from the past like any other human person. Then the random people of the internet tried to “cancel” him and they didn’t succeed or they half succeeded I still don’t know much about it yet.

CopsHateMoe I know this has nothing to do with what you were talking about but, what are ur pronouns?

ClariceTheLoser they/them :)

yeah, but i don't think they mean any harm, they just don't know how to word themselves properly. i didn't really look into interviews or social media for cavetown, but i listened to his music and through that, i figured he was singing about the trans experience. it's not like i spotted him or anything, as i wasn't looking at many pictures of him, only his album covers. especially because i was recommended him from a trans friend who said it related to them.

Yeah...I just found out about this and people who say that stuff anger me. Especially when they bring up his voice. If I was forced to come out I would hate people saying that stuff about me.

@@AchillesKillies i think most people who are saying they knew Robbie was trans are actually saying that because he used to be open about it in his early days but yeah if they're bringing up his voice then that's transphobic low-key

its not a "hot take", its recognizing other trans people

@@prageruwu69 yeah im not really very passionate abt this topic anymore i think publicly clocking people who aren't out is bad but i also get that trans ppl are good at spotting each other and its exciting to see an artist you can relate to on that level. so fair point

i was telling people about how dysphoria is a word that on its own isn't about trans people and i got called transphobic despite me telling them i'm trans 💀💀

@@lacvna. that's called having brain rot and being severely uneducated

@@lacvna. just ignore ppl like that...they obviously have no clue what theyre talking about

Thank you for telling us your thoughts on this as a Jewish person who's been hurt by his ignorance. I didn't know what to think about all of this at first, especially since I'm not Jewish. I felt sorry for him when he got outed even though he didn't want to, because I'm nonbinary myself and if this would happen to me I would be devastated. I thought it's a bit harsh to "cancel" someone for having said something as a teenager who probably didn't know any better, but like I already said, I was still conflicted because it wasn't really my place to forgive him. And I don't mean that he didn't do anything wrong, no. He still hurt a lot of people with his anti-semitic comments and did something wrong, but like a lot of people also pointed out, he started to be better and apologized for his behavior. He can't go back in time, so it's kind of unfair to not give him a chance to become a better person and instead "cancel" him. Again, thanks a lot for your opinion on this absolute mess

We must remember he is a human he will make mistakes and learn ❤

Me, a cis person who def understood those songs were about being trans and still have loved them for years anyways 👁👄👁

@@taylorhope4651 Yeah same. As much as I relate to This is home the song was clearly about trans struggles so I just assumed that he was trans

And even if you've never experienced those things someone you know could have and you could be writing about their experiences to give them something, or maybe you've written about something you have never experienced but want to write those things to help people through hard times even if you don't know them.

I love ur pfp

@@cuyosan8114 I knew it was about trans people and their struggles when reading the lyrics but never assumed he was I’m sad that he had to come out when he didn’t at all.

@CSGO player he was f o u r t e e n seven years ago people can learn from their mistakes not saying what he did was okay. but he can still learn

@CSGO player ...you are one pessimistic person

It made me sad when fans would try to argue whether or not he was trans. If he doesn’t want to talk about it, then leave it the fuck alone.

Some of his song bled a transgender underline (As a trans person myself) so I automatically knew, but he did not have to tell anyone. I feel his music was a great reach to those who understood deep down. (I’m not arguing with you’re comment btw I agree !)

@@elton2964 yeah I understand what you mean - I deeply relate to some of his songs (i'm also trans) - also have a great day :))

Yeah, as a trans person I always held the music close to my heart since it felt like my experience but I didn’t care whether or not he was trans, because art is subjective and what the lyrics might mean to me might be different than what they mean to you. I did suspect that he was but it didn’t matter to me, and him being outed is really sad

Same with people trying to talk about Conan Gray's sexuality

alex 100% agree

gods i know that feel all too well. i hate cancel culture so much. cavetown and conan gray are both my escape and the both of them are being cancelled and im so distressed, specifically bc they're a few of my hyperfixations (their music n stuff yk) i hope you feel better soon :] hopefully, cancel culture will die down and those twitter people will realize that cancel culture doesn't help at all :(

yeah i kinda agree, i went through quite a few days where i was questioning everything about myself and the communities i’m involved in because of it all, i mean anyone who says antisemitic, racist, or transphobic things should be held accountable but canceling them doesn’t really help anything. :/

@@just-a-forest-crow1183 yea!!! i totally agree :] i just wish people would recognize that holding people accountable is different than canceling them :O

I know this is a few months old but I relate so much. I have ADHD so I get hyperfixated on stuff, and one of the things was/is Starkid. It's my whole world and drama started happening on Twitter over such stupid shit, but it f*cking broke me. I spiralled for months until I had to just delete my Twitter account, and I still haven't been able to watch Starkid and it sucks.

@@wtfjackaboy I'm so sorry that happened to you :( cancel culture is so toxic and I really hope that one day those people realize what they're doing!!! I wish you luck bro🥺💕

I think it's important to think about the person's intentions and state of mind when they say something like T word unknowingly. Did it come from a place of hate? Or was it an innocent mistake used in the wrong way.

B Pione a lot of trans people knew and some of his older followers did too, but his wider audience (especially his cis audience) had no idea.

@@CopsHateMoe oh ok thank you I've been a fan of his for a while and didn't even know he really had much of a cis audience lol im trans and the only people I knew who listened to him were trans or at the very least in the LGBT community

I mean I noticed them because I am a gender fluid person, a lot of my “friends” ( that I now just avoid) would purposefully misgender him ( Cavetown) and I swear I almost punched one of them...

i discovered his music just last year and i suspected it but knew that i shouldn’t pry and try to figure it out so when he was outed i wasn’t surprised but felt extremely upset that he had to deal with it like that :((

@@CopsHateMoe lmao cishets listen to Cavetown?? I didn't know that. I found Cavetown this year and wondered if he was trans but honestly it didn't matter. This whole thing rlly saddens me.

yeah its really awful, I hope he's doing ok.

CopsHateMoe I mean, I think the people he attacked have it much worse and he 100% did not have to come out when he was supposed to be addressing his shitty behavior but ok

asheresque I majorly disagree. I think the things he said in the past were bad,, but finding out an influencer you like said ignorant/bigoted things when he was a teenager although shitty is not NEARLY comparable to outing yourself to MILLIONS of people when you didn’t want to.

CopsHateMoe He was already out and just didn’t want to talk about being trans. Everyone respected that. It was a very open secret. As I said, he was supposed to be apologizing for his shitty behavior. He 100% did not have to address it in his statement but clearly knew that the community is dominated by you people and would get loads of sympathy. And no. I didn’t stan him before this. I’m pissed off and commenting because the whole trans community is caring more about this adult mans feelings than the people who he and all his fans have harmed. Imagine being Jewish, disabled, or black, having billions attack you, and the lgbt community refusing to put your safety and feelings first because ever. Period.

asheresque I don’t really care to argue you with you mate,, but what you said really got to me, so this is my response: No, he was not out. So many people were incredibly invasive and inappropriate, speculating about his gender, but he was not out and any time it was brought up he would shut down the conversation. I don’t know if this is intentional, but you’re gaslighting right now. He is an adult man now yes, but he was a teenager when he made those statements. I’m not saying that excuses the statements, I think they were bad. but he has apologised for them and is raising money for LGBT Jewish charity as we speak. I never said people SHOULD forgive him. A marginalised community doesn’t owe anyone their forgiveness, and if a POC or Jewish person doesn’t feel like they can support Cavetown anymore, I completely respect that, and I understand why they don’t want to. But honestly that’s beside the point. I think the mentality you seem to be operating under is extremely toxic, peoples opinions are shaped by their upbringing and their environment, acting like people can’t make mistakes completely discredits that. Intersectionality is about recognising how all the different oppressions are intertwined. But to me it goes further than that, if you are raised in a say a Christian or Muslim household you are probably more likely to be homophobic that if you were brought up in a secular household. Should we condemn these people for their views? No. We should try and educated them, help them grow and realise that these beliefs are bigoted and wrong. If they choose to ignore it from there, well that is a different matter - but that’s not what Cavetown has done, so that isn’t really relevant to this discussion. It’s just like if you are raised in a racist environment you’re probably going to hold racist views even without you realising. If we don’t allow people to make mistakes apologise and grow what point is there? And my last point, to apply my own experiences. I am transgender. J. K. Rowling recently revealed herself to be a massive TERF. As a kid Harry Potter was my favourite book series,, so that fucking sucks. But do you know what feels way worse? Being outed to someone I didn’t want to be outed to and feeling unsafe. Bigotry is wrong, but feeling upset that your favourite public figure said problematic shit isn’t comparable to being outed. Anyway that’s me done. Peace.

nich THIS !!

slightly unrelated but the line is "i can be myself without explanation" is so beautiful

@@alexonline2340 IKR ITS ONE OF MY FAVOURITES

Plus, Hozier has a particularly large lesbian following, so there's that as well.

True, but take me to church isn't about the gay experience, the music video is tho. The song is about the hipocrasy of church, where they tell you to come as you are but when you do they don't accept you.

Titania XIII um this video got recommended to me idk anything about the people in the video or the guy you’re talking about. But with that said there is no “hipocrasy” in the church because they say come as you are. They are essentially saying “come as you are, we will not judge your current state of sin, but instead help you overcome it.” They are referencing the spiritual transformation that happens when a sinner becomes saved. I’m really sorry for you cause you know literally nothing about Christianity or the Catholic Church (I assume Catholic because you reference the “church” specifically). Plz grow up and read a Bible.

@@myyoutubeaccount5653 the fuck you on about lmao

@@myyoutubeaccount5653 jejejrjfntnejejrr this is the stupidest comment I've ever seen-

I wish every time I said my pronouns I wasn't looked at like a "fake-woke teen girl" and suddenly people begin to question if non binary people are real or not. I just want to live my life. I want to be there for other trans people, who are learning their own identity, but I can't give that to people constantly. I'm proud of my identity, but I can never not be if I want to avoid a bad mental health episode. Outing is truly terrible, and I can't imagine how it could feel to be living as you always wanted and then bam! Out of the closet again.

I am so sorry you had to go through this, I hope you are doing better💕💕

I hope you're alright, it must've been horrible. Be safe! 🌸

Oh no, I'm sorry that happened to you... I hope you're doing better now though.

I’m kinda doing better. I’ve talked to some people about it and it’ll probably turn out good in the end.

@@Lobotomized_raccoon Good to hear you're doing somewhat better. We're all rooting for you !

its really cool uve been to some of his shows! i wanted to but then covid happened :(

It will be people just like you who will Carry the Day for Robin ; people who have genuinely been helped and lend voice to Support him now .

August Hawley THIS !! this is so true. Most trans people that I talked to sort of knew he was trans. The song dysphoric, his old photos etc, The way he deliberately shut down any conversation about it,,, thats’s enough of an indication to leave it alone because he clearly isn’t comfortable talking about it. it was all just a bunch of cis people getting mad for us and demanding private information from him. It is such a toxic situation, I feel really bad for him.

Sorry to jump in but I'm cis and your comment really helped me understand the situation a lot better and how to be a better ally so thank you ❤️

Not to mention he's been a public person before he started his medical transition, so it wasn't that hard to come to the conclusion that he's not cis.

I'm cis as well, and I hate these kinds of situations. I wholeheartedly agree with what you're saying. I'm so mad this happened to Robbie...

I don't really get why people care so much about if someone is trans or not? Like I'm cis and the first time I heard This is home I was like "this sounds like he's trans" and after being his fan for some time I just kind of assumed that. This also happened with other people I talk to. They mention something that makes me go "oh they're trans" but I don't say anything. Bc if they are not telling me there must be a reason, so when they do I just say "it's ok". Tbh I hate when people go "oh I already knew it" like hey they're trusting you with this be nice. You know what's sad? If Cavetown would come out in his own terms in another circunstances there would be a lot of people telling him that "it was about time". Sigh. This is home is my favorite song from Robin, it made me discovered him and I just relate to it so much. His music is amazing and it sucks that this is happening to him for something he did years ago when he didn't knew better.

Yeah, cancel culture now hurts smaller creators and vulnerable people, which is literally who cancel culture was supposed to protect. Even if someone’s opinion is objectively incorrect and harmful, unless they’re a billionaire, they shouldn’t be cancelled and attacked for it when we could just as well just educate them.

RedHeadVixen 101 Agreed, and there are people who take what cancel culture has become and used it to hide behind their own harmful beliefs like the ones you mentioned. Like the whole “freedom of speech” argument that people use in defence of being called out about something crap they said in the past/presebt

Yeah. Smaller creators get their lived ruined while the people doing real harm rarely get any kind of attention

@RedHeadVixen 101 exactly.

Lost Otter facts! The freedom of speech just means the government can’t censor you. It doesn’t mean people can’t hate on what you have to say.

Honestly, at least in the case of the racial comments, there are some pretty valid reasons. I don’t believe in “canceling” per se, but as a Jewish person, I 100% do *not* forgive him for saying what he’s said. He was 18 at the time of those tweets. I don’t think they were necessarily ill-intentioned, but to me, it takes a special kind of ignorance and lack of self awareness to not know that calling somebody a “toenail lookin ass jew” isn’t okay.

a fresh loaf of garlic bread He has still grown. Just because someone is (barely) an adult doesn't mean that they cant say stupid things. He has acknowledged he was wrong and he shouldn't have said it. I know I cant tell you how to feel but how else is he supposed to make up for their past actions besides recognizing their mistakes and apologizing?

Madikyu He can apologize for it. I’m just not obligated to forgive him. I saw his first apology, and it seems to me that he only made this second one because people started cracking down on him because his first one was lacking. IMO, you should know not to say things that are THAT stupid by the time you’re a teenager. I recall being 14 and knowing that saying stuff like that was, in fact, bad. I had a friend around that time who said stuff similar to what Robbie said (albeit worse) and it hurt, so I ditched them. It’s so strange to me how kids and teens who CAN be affected by things like racism or antisemitism aren’t too young to hear it from their peers and be hurt, but white teens are too young to “really” be harmful. Maybe it’s just because I myself am Jewish and am directly affected by people saying things like that. It also seems weird to me that prior to being called out for them, he never deleted those posts. I know he most likely forgot about them, but the fact that he was even able to forget them is strange to me. How does one just...forget times when you were casually antisemitic? How can you go several years without that weighing down on you at all? I don’t think he was acting maliciously at all, of course, but the fact that he was able to say those things at the time and not feel bad about them or even remember them at all until now is indicative to me that he’s out of touch, and won’t regret something unless people call him out for it. Yes, he apologized and owned up, but I don’t need to forgive him. Despite his “uwu soft boy” persona, he’s a grown man and is capable of handling a couple people not forgiving him. I’m not letting his behavior slide.

a fresh loaf of garlic bread I know. He needs to be held responsible- but I truly just dont think he had malicious intent. Also the reason he probably forgot is because at that time he probably didnt know the significance of it and he moved on and kinda forgot about it. Im just saying I dont think he deserves getting his career ruined over some jokes he made years ago.

Madikyu I’m not saying it was malicious either, nor do I want his life ruined or anything. I don’t hold any real animosity towards the guy- I don’t know him personally, so why should I? I just don’t forgive him is all. I don’t HAVE to forgive him.

All the social networks are toxic. I agreed with you: the cancel culture doesn't delete the problem. People need to be educated not eradicated. It's a situation of two faces of the same coin and the estemism of cancel culture feeds the alt right extremism. It's a vicious selfeeding circle.

Right?! He literally sings about binding and cutting his hair short in that song and has another song titled "Dysphoria" so yeah... I always knew and thought everyone else did too. I don't understand why people are saying he wasn't out before all this when he openly sang about it for years.

@@annepark2768 because he never said “ everyone i am trans “ he only alluded to it but that doesn’t always have to mean something. tyler the creator has hinted that he’s gay in his music for along time now but since he’s never came out it’s just not our place to assume he’s gay, because maybe he doesn’t wanna publicly talk about that part of his life which he has the right to!😊

@@lynncameron8100 i thought tyler tweeted about it, though it wasn't clear if he was sincere or not haha?

@@elijahwinchester6690 no he’s never seriously publicly announced his sexuality only hinted at it :)

@@lynncameron8100 ah, right. i couldn't remember, haha. my older brother's a huge fan of him, but i've only watched a few genius videos and the popular memes lol.

Occasional Fan-Content HAHA THIS IS MY FAVOURITE COMMENT

as a non-jewish, white cis person who's never listened to any cavetown song, i can finally relate to one of the comments

It’s the highest form of flattery

@@Av-mu3dz No they're not. And I recognize that now. I really hope you come to recognize that as well.

...wait, being heterophobic ISN'T a thing??? i've always thought that "heterosexuality is still a sexuality, so you can still be heterophobic just like how you can be homophobic"??? not trying to start an argument, i'm just confused-

@@owlchow9506 yeah sorry but it isn't. When we talk about phobias or ism its mostly talked about in a systemic sense. Since heterosexuality isn't frowned upon or oppressed you can't be heterophobic. Sorry for any errors English is my second language

@@owlchow9506 Hi! No, heterophobic is not a thing. Being heterosexual has never been frowned upon and people are not oppressed for being heterosexual. Therefore, heterophobia does not actually exist.

Do you mean that reverse racism isn't real because it's just racism, or that certain groups can't be racist?

It really is... Honestly maybe that's why I'm so scared of becoming a better artist and being out in the world with my art.

Same and Exactly

thanks!

Marcia Toms ahhh thank you so much!

PAHAH

"Cancel Culture" as we call it definitely has degraded into a pretty sinister thing. Nowadays it's run on quick, emotionally based reaction instead of critical thinking. The act of shaming a specific person or group by another group goes back before computers were even a thing, let alone the internet. It's an important part of a healthy group of people. The thing is, back then someone was shamed, they realized their action was bad, they corrected themselves, then they were brought back into the group. Not only did they learn their action was "bad" but they also were an example for any others who were interested in acting in the same way. Cancel culture today has become this thing that does not serve for the betterment of society. It serves to destroy people's livelihood and reputation based off their imperfections. There is no "redemption" of being brought back into the group. It's not socially healthy. I'm so glad I am not in any sort of public eye. My heart goes out to Robbie. As a straight, cisgender person, I have no personal experience. But with my limited understanding from having friends from all kinds of backgrounds including the LGBT community, it has to be so incredibly emotionally and mentally tough.

Thank you so much!

cave boy what is the real things we could call him out for instead? Do you want to call him out for something?

@@deri-vata_162heu18 i meant the whole thing where he was apologizing for his old stuff?? like the comments he made yknow. i still support him and i believe he learned his lesson but i was really upset then

HONESTLY you be spitting facts here my friend !!

Yeah exactly literally transphobes will call enbys and trans guys the t slur too it’s not just trans women. I know people have said it’s rooted in misogyny which is fair but the t slur is used in a harmful way to the entire trans community

Cheese Land EXACTLY. The reason it has a longer history against transwomen is because people didn’t think trans men/enbys even existed.

Not all nb can use the t word stop it

@@Gabriel-nw6lb while i agree, nonbinaries are apart of the trans community because they are considered trans. Thats why theres a white stripe in the flag

what happened with dallon weekes?

Michelle F some fans kept asking him to put his pronouns in his bio (politely btw) and he eventually said that basically he doesn’t care about what pronouns people use, and he said he felt pressured by fans to say this. (but, the fans always did ask nicely, and profusely apologised after he sent that tweet)

@@mdrnlevi thank you for letting me know!

Michelle F ah np :)

Michelle F np :)

Oli H Thanks mate! I appreciate that, and I completely understand. marginalised communities don’t owe anyone forgiveness. From what I’ve seen he does seem to be trying to take accountability for his actions, but i understand why you would feel the damage as already been done. It is a tough situation and my heart goes out to anyone who is affected by his words, it sucks to have someone you look up to say this type of thing.

hey same I'm also Jewish and trans and agree with you =))

ihavealizardthatiburnt ayyy :))

i'm also jewish. personally i do forigve him- i've sadly become so used to anti-semitism so i try to keep apart genuinely anti-semitic people and people who were just ignorant. as long as he's trying to educate himself and help :") BUT that's just me, and even though i do forgive him, i do agree he still needs to be held accountable. im just glad he's holding himself accountable and making more effort to help and make up for his past ignorance

bunny valid!!