CCP's New Extraction Shooter With EVE Integration | EVE Vanguard 

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Well understandably you have doubts but you maybe didn’t spend too much time in Dust514. Orbital bombardments were available and used up until the bitter end and we had conversations in chat with EvE players that we were associated with all the time. Dust had its own community that wasn’t really bothered with EVE side of things but are heavily invested in New Eden.

I personally am SUPER pumped to play Vanguard, being able to have an impact on EVE while playing a FPS is incredible.

I was a little caught off guard that they went with an extraction shooter for this incarnation of the EVE shooter concept, but as I thought about it I guess the drama of getting screwed over and ganked by other players actually fits with EVE very well. The eventual sandbox vision of this is also exciting. I have high hopes, and it’s been a decade since I’ve been this optimistic for this game. I hope they don’t mess it up again

I was a templar for one of the events in Dust 514 that fought against players. I am asking for it since I don't have time to manage a corp in Eve anymore. Having a lobby shooter that keeps me in the eve universe is way better than me spending time/money in any other game.

Yes! Bring back Dust514 v2! Dust was fun, I'm looking forward to another shot at an eve shooter. We could interact with players on planets in a limited way. I think the skill system was cool to bring over, but it takes time to train up. I'll be looking for this one.

Good video, but with the past projects you left out lots of small details which caused each failure. Captain quarters, canceled because of player riots. Also brought out during a bad expansion in eve. D514. You got this one right, released on ps3 months before ps4 when pc players wanted it. Double fail. Eve Valkarie. Failed because players did not like that It had no connection to eve online. Eve Project Nova. This was not canned fully, eve vanguard is build on the game. We have a 20 minute footage of gameplay, and it was going to be like destiny. But players did not like it AT ALL. So it was put on hold and Project nova backbone and assets used for Eve Vanguard.

The space station part was planned even before Dust 514. The quarters and the door was there well before Dust 514.

Well, in CCPs defense ... Walking in Stations was scrubbed because the playerbase didn't want it at that time. We were more worried about ongoing gameplay issues which concerned space and sov systems etc and tought this was far more important than (let's be honest) only a visual gimmick. CCP listened and obliged.

Wondering how is related with eve universe..can you farm isk and then send the credits to your pilot account ?

fps players are still waiting to be liberated from a prison they don't even know they are in yet.

Dust514 was such an amazing game, hopefully this is a carbon copy with more refined features, though I can't imagine how to refine 514 anymore than it was.

Any word from ccp interviews about vehicles appearing in this?

the difference now vis 2013, is Multiplatform Technology really was in its infancy in 2013.... but now with it being more mature tech, we could possibly see the interaction

DUST 514 failed just on the principle of being on console. There was also some background dealings that made it end up on the PS3. The PS3 was a bit shit to develop on. I don't really know how much difference in RAM the PS3 and the 360 actually gave to play with, but they might have been equals, knowing how much background stuff the 360 ran with its 800+ mb vs the PS3s 256 mb. Valkyrie and Gunjack were both having the DUST problem of hardware, but only being set in the universe, and not being additional ways to play, sank those titles, but they also were just fun they had with VR, so can't be too harsh on those two vs releasing a game on a console on its last years that was hard to develop for. Incarna was pretty much the easiest thing for CCP Games to kill after The Summer of Rage. Badly optimized on release (didn't someones computer catch fire?) and forced on players after years of saying it was going to be opt-in, and then it wasn't even opt-out on launch. The microtransaction store with the absolutely stupid prices (especially the monocle) and the 10 000 dollar Japanese designer import pants hype story just killed the idea of walking in stations. They just didn't want to admit defeat and take out Incarna a few months later, just let it sit there and be useless for a few years and then say it was a problem when they play with graphical effects, much better. They just couldn't add the environments they promised for up to a decade... I'm not sure what killed Project Legion/Nova. They where going to do a public beta and just a few days before it a mail was sent out saying they canned it because of "quality issues". I'd really like to hear what was going on there, because it was a digital PC release, nothing about that means the game was hard-set to be exactly what it was as a beta. Modes are easy to add, controls can be tweaked, no real need to just give a lame reason and be quiet about it for 4 years. But then again, I can see why it might be hard to release a game on PC that might need to be changed over time, Project Nova would have been their first game ever. Wasn't like they had 16 years of experience of having to tweak a game constantly and updating the graphics...! I really hope that what we saw isn't the only thing coming, but I don't know what lore reason they gave for dust bunnies not being around anymore is, so it might take a while to get the planetary takeover stuff back (I have some vague memories about that being about taking over PI stuff, but I might be wrong). I would love for this to become part of agent missions. Imagine not getting missions like Furrier Fiasco, Worlds Collide or Damsel In Distress at random anymore, but only when Vanguard players want to do those extermination or VIP extraction missions. Could be the end of having to blow up mission structures, or having them just fart the items out when you are close, and instead Vanguard players will have to ask for escorts to mission sites. This ideas might have been part of DUST 514's death, as it would have been a bit too much for the PS3 to do.

i hope they integrate vanguard into eve like star citizen, where you can fight on planets, stations, star ships, and they make a vr like game in fighters/bombers connected directly to eve. so you have the full aspect of play styles.

If this game is to succeed it has to have quest or contracts similar to Tarkov but instead you level what faction you align to. How it impacts EVE is what I want to know? Are they eventually gonna have it so Stations have to be taken over to flip systems for control? Or…Nullsec can deploy there FPS counters to take over an opposing station to sieze assets? Or perhaps just maybe Bounty Hunting can actually happen?

I actually think they can do much better now. It seems they know that they can't get it feature rich from day one so they are focusing on just a few things and then they'll work on expanding the game with updates. It's a safer approach to game development.

well, this is a fantastic start for the successor of dust, not being on a console at the end of its life. dust was really missing some pve content so you could hope to not get into the same matchup against the full squad of proto geared kill machines. but on the other hand, it was fun to put on your fancy pants and wreck house. to this day i havent seen vehicular combat come close to what dust had going on.

I'm excited about it but only time will tell how good it will be

Cant wait for Vanguard!

I would like this very much. I would like to be able to fly my frigate on one account down. And if somebody were to betray me, I could then jettison them into space with my all account.😅 Alternatively, I would love to be able to fly to an enemy station and download a group of troops. Or be flown in by somebody and dropped off in the station. So we could go back to having Concurable stations like in the old days.😊

RedcoatViking, you have played EVE alot. I get back to it several times but just as a solo player. I realy love the universe. But from your point of view. Do you think that the game has evolved alot the last 5 years?

Most of you don’t know about Dust514 for the ps4 aka there first fps and the best one I’ve ever played… I remember running prototype tanks for 12 mill isk making 100 k a good game💀

I played the PS3 game didn't know it was connected to eve.

I loved Dust because I loved Eve. I played Dust from day one until they discontinued it. I genuinely found the fact that they tied the two games together as the most insane thing in the world! I couldn’t grasp the concept all those years ago! My biggest gripe is that I don’t play any Extraction Shooters except The Division (and I barely go into the zone that has that gameplay loop). I hope it isn’t just extraction and has other loops like multiplayer as it was in Dust. Plus, I play on PlayStation consoles, so I’m definitely getting a PC when I have the funds so I can try this out. I’ll be ass, as I can’t aim with my hand well, but I’ll suffer through! 😅

I'm so looking forward to Vanguard

If you ever need to find people who really want a EVE connected FPS, just pop into the Dust 514 subreddit. The desire is still alive and well and we've been going crazy over the Vanguard announcement. That doesn't mean Vanguard can be trash and I'd still play it, of course. I am excited for an extraction shooter set in the EVE universe, but if CoD DMZ is plainly better, I'll keep playing that.

I'm very excited to play it because the public was never given Nova or Legion, but they finally have a chance to recover from Heimar's sheer incompetence mismanaging the death of DUST. Such a cool fucking concept, such a fun game to play, it deserved far better. I have no doubt they will fuck this up and it will become the fourth cancelled EVE FPS but I'm fucking riding it all the way down.

yeah hate to say this is the same song and dance from before. they already tried a fps shooter i think for consoles then they tried the VR thing......the big thing i wish they actually did was the walking in stations. bringing a face to face social element to the game might have been awesome. it could have expanded to clubs or other hang outs and maybe even branched into a fps in the same universe,. also their world of darkness concept seemed amazing too bringing the same social territory aspects from eve to that game.......but it got canned so we will see lol

There should be station-invasions using vanguard

Captians quarters were in eve way before dust514 came out, like 2011

CCP making a new shooter while Dust 514 was a masterpiece makes me insanely nervous!.

I played dust and we had a fleet of eve players playing with us and on eve at the same time we had 10 to 12 dedicated players but we usually had enough to have Corp battles and those can get big and we had a recruiting process and training they should reach out to the old dust player as most have pc and would help promote the game

I'm actually hyped about Vanguard and it's integration with main EVE. For once, I love all about EVE but I can't dedicate the time to it, son an easy-to-access FPS that's integrated to the main game is the perfect balance for me, as it allows me to be a part of the universe in a way I can accomodate. I wouldn't want it to be a sp game, as I found the richest part of EVE in all it's history has been player-led and player-made. Comparing it to Dust 514 is a bit anachronic. It's been 10 years. Almost everything D514 wanted to achieve is now way more easy to produce. If Vanguard manages to retcon some of what D514 dreamed about, then I believe it will enjoy a great reception among the fans, old and new.

I look forward to Vanguard but I hope it is more than an extraction shooter. I have more interest in Marathon and Beautiful Light than EvE version of it.

I really miss Dust 514. It was awesome, just hated it was for console. The dropship and vehicle gameplay was a blast, as well as the EVE style character progression. I hope this Tarkov type take on the rework works.. but I'll definitely miss the team based deathmatch with vehicles Battlefield vibe like classic Dust 514 so I hope there are different game modes.

Do i hear Bitter vet ?

The Dust 514 downfall 4:41 was CCP announcing on the Dust Keynote EVE:Legion. killing everyone off from Dust514 since they didn't plan on making a port to PS4 Keyboard and Mouse was also possible to play there as well as Eve Voice chat Source: Played it from Closed Beta till the End (full 4 years)

I was asking for it. What now?

Why hasn't vanguard come out already

The 4th alpha in a decade. Will they ever release an fps?

If only CCP would look past the "combat FPS" and more into general FPS, we need a game where we can explore the planets we visit and build on/fight for, planetary/atmospheric combat that ranges from air, ground to sea and maybe even more! Something... NEW, not just some copy pasted ideas from other companies

Planets in Eve need a detail upgrade especially planets likely to be involved in Vanguard warfare there should be focus on temperate earth like planets, also a way for vanguard soldiers to attack and kill eve players docked in stations

EvE + Tarkov yes plz

I've asked for it. And I know others that have too. Also know of the opposite.

Extraction shooters are by nature "Hardcore". One shot headshots, slower more purposeful combat, a wide variety of items of varying rarities. The Cycle Frontier is a perfect example of not understanding the fundamentals of an extraction shooter. They're sunsetting in a month or two. Marauders is a perfect example of how to casualize gameplay while still maintaining a relatively low ttk. Tarkov is king despite its optimization and bugs and hackers. You could argue Warzone's DMZ is also a casualized extraction shooter, but it lacks any sort of economy. And that is a vital piece of the formula.

I’m excited because I LOVED Dust514 and would probably trade all my nonessential internal organs for a fully fleshed out FPS in the Eve universe. But I also accept that CCP has a track record of failing every single FPS attempt they’ve ever done. Still. Gonna keep my hopes up because this is on my list of “things I only ever dream are possible”

World of Darkness ??

So it's dust 514 but fancier

You don't have Star Citizen. It's Vaporware.

The problem with EVE Online is not that we ain't got the technology, the problem is that EVE Online is an old game in an old Engine, it's got its age holding it back, if you want something like Star Citizen but EVE, you will need to make a new game from scratch.

If they made vanguard into a single player game with no integration I would be totally disappointed

Meh it looks like they never learn.. i still wonder why they do not develop a fully integrated rts game.. focusing on planetary development and fighting in eve world systems, in order to provide resources to the player playing in the sky above.. it,s more focused on the strategic gameplay that eve provides, more centered into the integration claims, it improves and create lore on a part of the eve gameplay wich is currently a sort of minigame inside the game and that does not have much to do with spaceships in anycase..

Many many years ago EVE online made an fps shooter to PS3. It was not so bad, but they wiped it.

Not an EVE player but it looks to me as an outsider that EVE players are in something of an abusive relationship with CCP Games. They promise everything but then don't deliver or blame the player base for their own incompetence. Correct me if I've got this wrong.

They need to get rid of the name tags on players. Make sure the is friendly fire.

Talks about extraction shooters, mentions Apex and CoD… and not Tarkov??

oh your right to not be excited. imagine the goon squad camping the one planet like they camp hyperspace gateways. no one is going to be extracting ever lol

I will also be playin dis bish

Man why'd they have to go with the extraction shooter route. So many have tried and ultimately failed to create one that can compete with Tarkov but not even Cod or BF could pull it off. Also it being f2p might make cheating a big issue as thats a big problem in Tarkov which is a paid game ($45-$150 depending on the edition you buy.)

The death of Eve. Sad.

Looks like all this first person shooters are perfect way to burn a lot of shereholders money, internal dev team sell some 'great ideas' to CEO get budget and have few years of relaxing job

Honestly I've been a jita rat 90% of my eve time, saved up ISk just for this; an FPS game I can throw that cash on to get good at killing others there. The ship fights in eve are really boring to me.

Dust 2

Yeah I kinda doubt that this will be a success. The game has to be really REALLY good to make it. If an Eve Online player wants to play an FPS, they play the FPS that has the gameplay they like. Not because it's connected to Eve Online.

Dust 514 was a failure due to outsourcing to china, ccp would have never had to sell out if they pulled that off properly.

Dust died because it got picked up by sony who made damn sure to release ONLY on playstation, a different platform than Eve, to kill the game off. Sony Entertainment Online didn't want direct competition for Planetside.

100% agree with your opinion on CCP. They are now ranked with Blizzard for idiotic devs ruining their own games.

Im personally not interested in an Eve shooter that isn't built within Eve online itself and doesn't affect Eve's online universe.

Can't trust them to keep the game alive after the Dust514 fiasco. The only FPS pvp I was actively playing. Don't invest yourself too much into it.

I had huge hopes for dust 514. They were dashed when i found out it would be on a console. Stupid. Just plain stupid. If they can fuck that up, i have very low expectations from this one, even if it is on pc which dust 514 should have been and which might have saved it.

I quit because they got rid of capt quarters and in game browser

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE APEX LEGENDS IS A BR REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Apex legends isnt an extraction shooter

this looks like hot ass so far, is this pre-alpha footage?

apex legends is not an extraction shooter... wtf

I do not think you even know what an extraction shooter is. I think you are confusing extraction shooters with hero shooters.

CCP really has a weird approach. If they want to attrack people to the eve mmo why not make a single player game. Something like a action rpg or even an RTS set in new eden. There is endless posibilities with eve. And yet... I truly believe that CCP has a lack of innovative minds or maybe its tye management. I am wrong???

I have loads of friends who would love the Eve universe but would prefer a shooting game like Vanguard. There's definitely a big untapped market for it. With that said, the alpha footage looks really boring. Combat is boring, scenery is boring. the lighting is boring. when the most exciting thing to show up on the screen was when they accidentally shot at their own cover, you know something isn't right.

Generic and boring AF. Just another "extraction shooter" without anything special except "EVE" name on it. Until CCP create massive online shooter like PlanetSide 2, but in EVE universe, its destined to fail miserably.

Why do you have to talk so quickly...stress stress stress

Wow that’s disappointing. An extraction shooter? Really?

I do want it (the fps mode), your doubt is based on the lack of data, instead of doubtful you should've been neutral on how receptive people are based on the number, put up a survey instead of putting out your opinion based on unmeasured personal observation.

Im excited to use the scrambler again but 1. Sick of extraction shooters and 2. $20 per MONTH is waaay too much for this game.

Just dont make it playable just on a console no one plays Eve on console And i will not buy it for this game