CCS Is Dead 

Watching it anyway !!

so early it's in 360p

Could you not schedule it?

@@achaz_ same

@@harriska but then it might not be out in time to catch everyone before they go home for the weekend

At SNL, the term is "Hat on a hat" :)

Sandy is really puffing his chest over this. No one complains about CCS cables more than him. My 120lb 57 year old wife who has had double wrist surgery has never complained once about using CCS DCFC cables. Much ado about nothing. The connector is not the story here.

That was funny.

Unfortunately that's mostly about the cable and not the plug. Changing the plug won't fix that by itself, because the cable is still thick and doesn't want to rotate and is still/etc.

Yep I watched that today and he had some great comments

I agree!

The cable is the cumbersome component, not the plug so much.

Here lies CCS1 Designed by committee, abolished by engineering and openness... 2011-2023 -- get a Chargehanger

​@@chargehanger Also abolished by drivers and potential customer who might have turned down an EV, due to the mess and unreliability of non tesla networks.

​@@chargehanger Huh?

When GM followed was when it shocked everyone. Ford move seemed like they threw up there hands in frustration.

Yep

​@Chuck Smallwood What shocked me is how long it took. Barely over a week. I bet that when Farley made the announcement, miss Barra must have called an emergency meeting. I was betting a few months.

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yep and seeing gm making a smart business decision yes it's game over to ccs

I have never had a problem with CCS chargers. There seems to be a lot of fake FUD from Tesla fans about CCS to try to kill it and other EV brands in the US.

Nope they didn't shit anything lol!!!

@@sophieedel6324 You HAVE to be joking!!!! I’d love to road trip in my IONIQ5, but there’s no way to do that without hassle or fear. Period.

VW shot everyone in the foot. There’s your bad guy. Could Ford and others sue Electrify America?

@@sophieedel6324 For anyone that has used both systems, they find CCS cumbersome, heavy, clunky, and suffers from poor design that reduces reliability in comparison with NACS. Nothing about fake FUD - just reality. It's why Ford and GM are switching. It's a huge pain for them, but it's the right choice for the customer. Seems only the committee that designed CCS are the only ones who love CCS.

From what I can tell, all this talk about NCAS-vs-CCS over these last couple of days has been very skewed and seems to lack some key technical details/nuances. What is colloquially reffered to as "NCAS", so far seems to only encompass the Tesla-plug which, sure enough, does offer certain advantages in terms of ergonomics and mechanical reliability. However, CCS1 (and especially CCS2, which supports 11kW charging with 3-phase AC) still offers more cpacity in terms of higher charging voltage and amperage, so there's that. The crucial point is however, that the software component, the CCS-protocol is in all likelyhood here to stay. This is bc of the fact, that not only the CCS1-plug (USA) and CCS2-plug (Europe) use this protocol but even Tesla uses it in their cars and Superchargers. Previously Tesla, had deployed their own charging protocol for their (then closely isolated eco-system) but eventually they started to ship even their US-market cars with the CCS-protocol aswell, after they were forced to adopt it in the EU as a standard. Their newer Superchargers can still support that older protocol as an option for those older vehicles that are still out on the road, but for newer cars and those from other manufacturers they don't rely on it and just use the CCS-protocol as standard. Whether it's a CCS1, CCS2 or Tesla-plug is arguably secondary here, bc it could be relatively easily retrofitted either way and can also be bridged through a mere physical adapter. Just software-compatibility is by far the most crucial factor here and the. Technically speaking, there's nothing to stop Tesla from having their Superchargers charge other CCS-compatible cars aswell, but since they own the SC network, they can likewse inhibit that just as easy. This is what those deals with Ford and GM appear to be all about, Tesla will allow Ford/GM EVs to charge at their American SC-network aswell in exchange for some hefty fees from Ford/GM, whether those future EVs from Ford/GM come with the NCAS-plug and/or a CCS1-plug is secondary here, the important point is that Tesla will essentially only expand access to their charging-eco-system, which makes it not really that much of an open standard, bc it retains exclusivity of who is "allowd" to charge at the US-Superchargers. It also remains to be seen, how well Tesla will work with those other manufacturers to provide a comparably reliable charging process when they to ensure the same level of compatibility with entirely different vehicle-platforms and software eco-systems, so far they had the advantage of having only to provide to their own fleet of cars, of which they had fairly extensive database records and therefore control over. Only time will tell how well they can adapt. In essence, those people who are claiming that CCS is as good as dead, with the implication that Tesla will somehow remain/become absolute ruler of EV-charging (anti-trust might also would like to have a say over such a giant monopoly), have actually no idea what they are talking about and have not spend any second thought on how all of this actually works. I'm also seeing alot of ignorance on how regulations and standardization in the US and EU work. You don't just flip a switch on any of these things and things just happen.

Hold on, I need to grab my bag of dongles to watch this video…

@@lennoxbaumbach390 Tesla already allows all EVs to charge on Superchargers in Europe since all EVs and superchargers use CCS2 in Europe so it was easy to switch on. The US will be the same, just with the NACS connector instead. The CCS1 connector is an awful abomination. The US should have used CCS2, but it didn't, and with CCS1 being a designed by committee abomination we will just use NACS instead.

Happens with J1772 handles as well. I have encountered dozens of broken ones.

CCS2 in Europe has a vehicle-side locking pin/tab. It works really well

There are many instances of Rivian getting stuck at Electrify America charging station because the locking mechanism on the charger side prevent unlocking. NACS locking on the vehicle side will prevent this issue because there is manual lock release available on Tesla vehicles.

@@stuartj5520 yes, unfortunately a lot of cars don’t lock the plug as soon as you plug it in. This would make it even better. Only Mercedes seems to do it, works great. Hyundai/Kia for example waits until the charging session is initiated to lock the plug which can be an issue. Often I see owners need to push the plug to the socket until the session started and the plug is locked finally.

It’s not the plug type….. it’s the actual electric service providers that are the problem. EA treats their station like run down motels, chargers out of service for days, not getting the charge rate you are paying for, cars catching fire while charging.

Same in Europe. You have some good charging companies, the plug is irrelevant.

IF Electrify America, Electrify Canada, EVGo, etc. provided good and reliable service, there might not be such a push to go NACS. I'm not even sure Volkswagen, who own EA, want to stay in business as an energy provider, except to lure people to buy VW products (3 years free charging when and if the dispensers work). Even so, the advantages of NACS (smaller and more convenient plug that handles AC and DCFC, plug and charge, multitudes of charging sites, reliability of charging dispensers) point to NACS as the superior solution. And a truly standard solution will reduce costs of construction for charging sites, stimulate open-source development, vastly increase customer convenience when charging, and eventually reduce customer costs. Imagine what a pain it would be if gasoline/petrol stations each had only one of two or three different dispenser hoses, all incompatible.

100%

Nope. It’s gonna move so fast. Ev sales are increasing per year but are still a tiny blip. And considering about 1/2 are already NACS it just seems like it.

Remember when you blocked me on Twitter for giving you a head’s up on this? Child.

@@AlijahSimon Your attitude and smugness is your problem.

@@olemissjim Define "so fast". There won't be Non-Tesla NACS cars on the road for years. And in that time there will be even more CCS cars. Ford and GM could account for millions. So no, it won't happen fast. If it happens at all.

That would make sense. Those CCS networks are a complete farce.

And do that like yesterday.

The problem is not the adaptor. That part is simple. It's that Tesla will only permit Teslas to use all but 6 superchargers. If they let non-teslas charge, there would be adaptors available.

Why the Right Front? Wouldn't be easier if it was in the Left Front driver side? The driver will always be able to keep an eye on the connector after finished charging and wouldn't need to walk all the way around the other side if the car/truck.

While I I agree with the sentiment. You won't see NACS on a non Tesla in NA for 12-24 months so your making this decision to hold off on a car for up to two years? Rivian or GM/Ford. They said they will switch to NACS in 2025 onboard.

​@robertlee8805 there's already a css port on the left.

Port location has to do with easier interface with Tesla V3 superchargers where the cable is relatively short. Tesla’s system is designed around driver rear connector. So cars with ports in other than passenger front or driver rear create problems based on the parking space for the charger. They end up taking up another available space unless they are on an end of the site. A possible solution would be to prioritize V4 SC installs along the interstate system. V4 has longer cables which could help alleviate some of this problem during the transition phase.

I emailed my guide that I may delay my R1T delivery until they switch to NACS. I’m in no hurry.

Why? Did you have charging issues yet?

I imagine there could be a retrofit if there is enough demand. However, an adapter will be the way to go. Keep it, sell it with the car and your next car will have it standard.

@@JeffEdmondson I'm really curious about the complicity/likelihood of retrofits. My gut tells me this won't happen for most legacy automakers. Hell, I can barely get Hyundai to update anything on my Ioniq 5, so I think hell will freeze over before they invest in any kind of retrofit support, but a guy can dream.

Tesla deserves to reap rewards here. They built the sole reliable charging network on Earth.

It’s part of the issue

Correct. But if all cars can choose to spend their money at Tesla supercharger or EA supercharger and Tesla is better, they'll go to Tesla. This will force EA to get much better or die. It's free market at its best

​@@socrplar125 not enough stations to handle that volume

The problem is much easier if you have one type of car and one type of charger. There is a reason Tesla did not open it up earlier.

We got CCS2 here in the EU because of the 3 phase grid we have. CCS1 is 1p only, so is the Tesla US plug. CCS2 is bulky, but Tesla did a good job with their small and light version on the EU SuC.

​@@t.d.5804 Tesla used regular Mennekes Type2 with DC enabled in Europe. They had to switch to CCS2 since higher current capacity was needed to reach the high charging power with their relatively low voltage packs (Palladium being a bit of a new chapter with approximately 480V max pack voltage).

Yeah I'm very curious about whether Korea will change anything. I've noticed Hyundai tends to save the best of their tech for their home market. Wondering if that may delay/prevent them from making a deal with Tesla and switching to NACS.

And CCS2 and NACS use CCS communication protocol, which makes the CCS1 to NACS passive adaptor possible (two separate ones for AC and DC).

EU be like

USB-C maxes out at 300W (kinda crazy for such a small cable). In 24hours that could theoretically provide about 72 miles of charge for an Aptera. Picture the comedy of charging an EV with a USB cable actually being viable.

@@ccibinel 300W at 20V :) not 400V

@@mowoau 48v actually. Obviously noone is using a usbc cable to charge a vehicle. It would still be slower than level 1. It is just funny how close the insane power limit of usb c and efficiency of Aptera come together to make it almost make sense.

Imagine the standard out placing Tesla. Suddenly, all current Tesla/Ford/GM owners feel the terror that their charging network will no longer have NACS plugs. Oh no!

Rivian is partly owned by Amazon and Amazon is owned by Bezos who has a beef with Elon Musk. It’s possible that could delay things for them

If you have one on order, let them know your opinion. The more of us that put pressure on them the sooner it will happen hopefully.

America and crap infrastructure are near synonymous.

Fancy ...

@@jermainec2462 not trying to be fancy but just doing what makes the most amount of sense for my situation.

disregarding existing infrastructure it is probably a better iea to have charing points that can accommondate for both scenarios.

new tesla chargers should have longer cables.

@@8ettieP46e Tesla V4 posts will have longer cables.

So you would be fine if the US government had forced Tesla to use CCS? Having everyone use one standard. CCS1.

EU forcing Apple was stupid and is going to create a mountain of waste. Benefits no one except a few people using wired file transfers at best.

Agreed. There needs to be a mechanism to prevent abuse here. Otherwise you could have Tesla artificially limiting charge speeds, restricting access to certain stations etc to boost their own sales. It's not about hating Tesla (I actually think, Elon aside, they're an incredible company), but the industry can't place total control of it's future in the hands of one company without strict limits on how things are going to work going forward. Tesla announcing a full opening of the network to all users who buy adapters would go a long way to improving EV adoption and smoothing out the inevitable chaos over the next few years.

@@cframe47 EA, and everybody, will support NACS. And the price may be better. Once NACS is a proper (SAE) standard, I trust the market forces.

However they will need to setup proper standards organization for NACS. It won't do for wider standards adoption, that it's just "hey lets follow this spec Tesla published". Nothing wrong with the spec, but it can't be just up to Tesla (or any single manufacturer for that matter). Since otherwise will come the nice day, when Tesla sees it convenient for their own business reasons to change the spec or change how they implement the spec exactly. There needs to be proper standards organization, that not only publishes the pure tech design spec, but also publishes and maintains the standards compliance procedures, spec on how to validate any maker is following the spec correctly, organize cross organization compatibility testing and so on. Just like where CCS is not up to VW, Fiat, GM or so on, but is maintained by International Electrotechnical Commission. Heck most simply, give the NACS existing spec to IEC and have them develop the standards prosedures around the plain spec. Since standard is about more than just the "this is the design spec of the product/thing to be standard". As said it involves stuff like "well what is the procedure to decide is someone following the standard or falling out of standard, when implementing". Testing procedures, verification procedures and so on.

It's not standardization. It's putting you entire infrastructure in the hands of a fickle billionaire, who has previously been known to run from deals when it suits him.

​@@HollowVortex81 But ultimately it's Elon Musk that owns the tech and patents behind the connector. Don't for a second think that he won't use this monopoly that you're handing him on a silver platter. Many Elon Mush fanboys have a hard time seeing past the tech Jesus facade, that he has built around himself. But under this image, he's a ruthless bastard, that will screw over anyone just because he fancy it.

Real great for standardization when 1 of 2 automakers still ignoring the standard manages to muddy the issue and pull some sensible manufacturers into the muck with them.

Yeah, essentially this should have been standardized 3 years ago but two parties (Tesla and everyone else with CCS) dragged their feet hoping their interests would win out. Well, it’s clear Tesla won and now everyone has to switch in a panic…

FYI: RJ45 is NOT an official industry Ethernet network standard.

@@phamuc11735 No, but when people say "RJ45" they usually mean the "8P8C modular connector" used for Ethernet, which is standardized under ISO 8877. So the argument still holds.

Tesla will likely have it mostly upgraded to 800+ volts by the time the cybertruck rolls out at the end of the year. Also their network only has congestion in California normally and since teslas probably make up like 80% of DCFC sessions I don’t think there will be a huge jump in demand that won’t be matched by charger operators opening up to NACS

Their network isn't "so busy"

The growth of the network is also a reason we need manufacturers to adopt NACS. That's why Kyle only wants funding for NACS. With Tesla, Ford, GM and hopefully my beloved Dodge/Chrysler going NACS we can put charging stations everywhere. Then adaption increases 10 fold.

CCS1 is much worse than CCS2. It's quite a bit larger, requires perfectly straight alignment to insert (almost impossible to do with one hand), and while charging the entire heavy connector is supported by a brittle latch on the connector which is prone to breaking. NACS is better than CCS in every way except for the lack of 3 phase charging. Since 3 phase charging is irrelevant in the US, this isn't a reason to prefer CCS. CCS1 is incompatible with CCS2, so compatibility with Europe isn't a reason to prefer CCS. At the end of the day there are no reasons to choose CCS for North America, and plenty of reasons to choose NACS.

​@@DavidJaoin 5 to 7 years entire America will switch to CCS2 again, since 900v System Cars with high Amps will be available...and this stubid Tesla Plug would be hot as hell. This cables need liquid cooling and needs to be very thick. In Europe all Tesla SuCs have CCS and with this they are able to handle this high Performance immediatelly.

@@josefv-y8m Tesla semi already charges from NACS at 1000Vx1000A just fine. Time and time again Tesla has proven that they know what they're doing on the engineering side and other automakers do not.

Yep, luckily that adapter can be small and inexpensive.

​@@andrewt9204and already exists....

There is no unified solution until all CCS vehicles can use NACS charging network. Magic Dock has not made it past NY and CA. You don't have a unified solution if you relegate current CCS drivers to a smaller and smaller area because the infrastructure dwindles in favor of eradicating all CCS from existence.

@@michaelmlt It's not yet unified, but until now there was no real momentum towards unification. If NACS is really to be favored for the future, CCS1 will probably live the fate of CHAdeMO, with just enough support (mostly on dual outlet chargers) for the time but not much expansion. It's always a bit painful to do such unification process, the part of killing off the other standard. But it's better to do that at the earliest possible timeline rather than be stuck with dual incompatible plugs forever - or do a much more painful transition later. Truth be told, I don't care that much which connector will "win" as long as the unification happens, but still I find NACS much more elegant. CCS1 really seems flimsy even through video, CCS2 is much better than that, feeling sturdy and easy to plug in, also without moving parts on the plug side.

@@Tomaskom i have a CCS vehicle and no issues with the fit and feel of the plug. Yes, it is weighty, bulky, and cumbersome but i have had 95% success in charging my i4. 4% of the time it was user error and remaining times was app related. Do i wish EA was better maintained? Yes, of course but that's not a problem with CCS. Do, i wish they were faster? Absolutely. A 150kw post charging at

Not at all a good comparison.

I agree. Two cables or the dock that services many vehicles instead of all this.

In the short term, that's probably what will happen. But, in the long run, multiple cables with different ends drives up the station's operating costs, which ultimately means fewer charging stations available for drivers.

Stupid comparison , make the gas hoses different sizes and comment again!?

@@timsmith6815 gas hoses are different sizes for diesel lol

Better to design charging stations where you pull in parallel to charge, instead of parking head-in or tail-in (i.e., like gas stations do it).

@@cbatiau2528 I don't think I can agree. Harder to stack up lots of units on parallel to park configurations. Want to be able to have 30 to 100 vehicles charging at once in the future. Not sure that really works in parallel to charge configs.

Watching a Taycan or Etron charge at a European Tesla supercharger you can see the point.

The CCS connector has a fragile latch which is prone to breaking since it has to hold the entire weight of the clumsy plug while charging is occurring. This contributes to the unreliability of the stations, but it is not the only reason why CCS stations are unreliable. Tesla deliberately chose a minimalist design for superchargers in order to maximize reliability, including no payment screens (payment is integrated into the vehicle), short cables, and robust connectors.

Ed, please May I ask ? (As an European Tesla owner and a TSLA investor) why ? Why couldn’t we have the slender NACS lead ? When I rent a Tesla in the states I get 50A from home chargers and the slender NACS charger on the Interstate

@@maxflight777 50A in US is only 6kw of power, and 50A will put a strain on house and neighborhood infrastructure and will heat up wires. I live in an apartment complex (not a private house) and have a parking spot beneath the house where i have a 3 phase 400V connector, and i can get up to 22KW of power to charge my ZOE, and that will load the infrastructure at only 32A. (16A if i limit to 11kw). You can't do that with NACS as you need 6 wires like my Mennekes does. And my charger did not need any special wires or contracts, it is just plugged in into my apartment electricity meter. NACS severly limits your home charging capabilities, and more so if you use solar.

50A is 9.6kw @ 240V (40A continuous max). Any house on a modern 200 amp panel will be absolutely fine.

@@boneman1982that only works in the US. In Europe we have 32 A, three phases at 230 V. While the NACS connector is nice, in Europe you would only get 3.6 kW at home charging for most people.

Actually I’m surprised that in the US they allow you to put huge 11 kW loads on a single phase. Doesn’t that cause a huge imbalance between the phases?

I can’t believe that worked out so well. I’m almost in shock that CCS could be a thing of the past and we might all end up using the Tesla standard. Wild!

Aptera who.

@@jimmurschel855 Aptera Motors *…bah dum tssss!*

@@jimmurschel855 Aptera who announced that they will be using the NACS plug on November 30, 2023.

As another current Bolt owner, the shift is good, provided that all GM vehicles, including Bolts, will be able to actually use the adapter, and that the adapter is reasonably priced (e.g. $200, not $2000). But, if this ends up being an Ultium-only feature, with Bolt drivers locked out, I will be quite pissed.

N. America, Canada and Mexico and all the islands get to enjoy this too

Only in America and vehicles produced in America can use the new port while others produced overseas can use CCS or whatever else. This just couldn’t happen in Europe because unlike here they have chargers fleshed out and they’re much more reliable.

@@KaceyGreen wouldn’t need it if the US’s network didn’t suck so much :(

There's plenty of complaint about certain CCS2 operators in Europe. Tesla seems to make it work, funny that?

@@rogerstarkey5390 Tesla changed to ccs in europe, that’s the reason they make it work. And in europe we don’t have the issues that electrify america has at every single station. Just look at fastned or ionity.

In Europe a lot of Tesla SuCs are already open to none Telsa Cars...but there is CCS used in SuCs!!!, too...and the price is nearly double to Teslas. SuCs in Europe have NACS and CCS at the Charger, since new Teslas all use CCS and no longer NACS.

Gas cars don't even have a standardized location of the gas door. I doubt that'll even happen on EVs

Good luck. Rear of car (Tesla, VW) is not good for trailer-tow situations. At the very front (Leaf, Kona) is vulnerable to front-end impact and to ice build-up in winter. Front fender seems to work in most situations, the only argument being left or right. Left for me works because of my driveway layout and that's next to the driver's door, easy to do, but I understand the street-parking motivation for putting it on the opposite side. I think Rivian got this right.

Hey good idea, an adapter which locks and has the capability built into it, that the original vehicle didn't come with. 👍🏻🤔

The network connects to the car not the adapter,which is just a pass through conection for data and energy.

I agree completely. It's one thing to make something and call it a standard, quite another to have an ISO standard that defines it. They need to take that step. I suspect that the process of doing so will lock Tesla into declaring voltage and current limits that seem rather nebulous at the moment.

Tesla could have also formally opened their NACS standard 5 years ago rather than some vague statements about being open to other EVs which everyone ignored. How we got here doesn't matter - consumers get a good single standard and we won't be plugging in comical plug the size of a hairdryer in 20 years.

Amen brother, Tesla absolutely dominates here.

Agree except for Hyundai ionic 6 "the back of vacuum cleaner😂"

Stellantis would be crazy not to switch before production.

Tesla standard doesn't support enough power for Kia/Hyundai cars.

​@@at0mly one megawatt is not enough power?

@@thomaswilson2917 18:05

In 2025, maybe.

Tesla needs to update the station to V3+ or commit to supporting adapters on V2. As of now, Ford and GM don't get access to V2 sites.

Maybe they will reduce thei 300% markup on electicity and repair their broken chargers?

@@crankychris2 I should not have laughed at this LMAO

They will likely add NACS cable to their future chargers. And even retrofit existing ones that have dual cables (as at least EA chargers have). And be forced to up their reliability to remain competitive in a single / unsegregated charging market. If they will, then they will be fine. If not, someone else will take the part of of Tesla competitor - as I do not believe Tesla will have charging monopoly (nor they should - that would be bad for the customers in the long run).

Yes! I'm OK with them implementing some but CCS by default needs to stick around. There are many thousands of CCS vehicles still out there. It can't just simply die.

Adapters will continue to work. If new CSS cars stop being made, CSS cars will become a very small minority very soon. A few plugs at each station will probably be the outcome, but there will many times more stations than there are now so CSS plug availability will probably overall increase.

Easy, just have a short cable, force all Teslas to have to back into the spot.

If NACS is to be the standard, and CCS dies, Tesla will have to get with the times and accommodate current CCS customers. Not unless you want to spark a charging culture war.

NACS integrates the AC and DC charging on same pair of wires while CCS has separate wire pairs for both.

@@matthewwiemken7293 ... which means there are fairly significant electrical differences on-board the vehicle. The Tesla system requires the ability of connecting those same pins to either the DC bus or to the AC on-board charger input and absolutely exclude the possibility of connecting both at the same time. It's not a problem to do this at the OEM level, but I can't see a retrofit being easy or inexpensive (or sufficiently safe).

@@bikeaddictbp Not remotely worth it. Sure you could do it with some electronics to bridge the data protocols and two sets of contactors to connect to either the internal AC or DC wiring. But good luck finding a place to fit all that inside a modern car design, without making the extra high-current wires too long, in a way that can't start a fire or get damaged by water ingress.

@@ailivac Yeah, it's likely retrofits will be rare, as cool as that would be. Might depend on the vehicle, there could be enough room under the rear seat in a lot of vehicles, or behind the bench seat in the F150. But you are right, the complexity of rewiring everything is unlikely to outweigh just using an adapter. But unless Tesla makes their stall cables longer, it's going to be a massive cluster F. And if the adapter also has some length to it, it's either going to be power limited or very bulky. Unless they add a NACS port just for DCFC. Then they don't have to worry about switching between AC/DC. Just add the port, power & comm wires, and a contactor. Might be able to do that in a much smaller confinement. Of course all this would have to be installed by a certified tech, don't want just anyone working on HVDC cables.

Yup, they had their chance, and blew it...Time will tell if they can step up their game, or die a traitors death.

It does not for a CCS car. Magic Dock doesn't really exist in reality for 95% of this country. How is switching to NACS going to benefit us as CCS vehicle owners?

All my cars (single car) are CCS1 too. Yep, CCS1 is dead. My next car will be NACS. Deal breaker if it is not

@@nafnaf0 all I'm saying is that they ant ignore our CCS vehicles that we already have.

@@michaelmlt adapter. Ford will give EV purchasers a NCAS to CCS adapter with their vehicle purchase, so they can charge everywhere. Then in 2025 they will just have NACS ports.

@@whattheschmidt with all of the "CCS is dead" messaging here we can not forget all of the other manufacturers who have built CCS, are building CCS, and will build CCS vehicles. That could be millions of CCS vehicles by 2025. Hyundai, Kia, Subaru, Toyota, VW, Mercedez, BMW, Porsche, Audi....

And Magic Dock

Have a Tesla.. what bumpy ride are you talking about? In 20k miles on last year mostly on long road trips no issues.

@@thomaswilson2917 bumpy ride as in connectors, production issues, servicing. I don’t live in a warm climate and can’t afford a new car but by the time I will pricing especially will be a lot better.

Yeah this, and the adapters will have to have some kind of extension of at least a meter or two for a lot of these CCS cars where the port isn't at the end of the car on the left side.

"It was open" but they couldn't even unify the two continents, spent over a decade CCS3 (V2G) and still haven't achieved reliability.

@@rogerstarkey5390 I don't see how your comment contributes to the discussion on my concerns. But I can understand your frustration that stems from the time commitment it can take to get all stakeholders on the same page... But that's what it often takes to create a healthy open standard.

Everyone in favor of this is basically saying they want Tesla to operate the only useful charging network. But they've never thought about doing something like disabling fast charging on cars that have been rebuilt after accidents, right?

NACS just uses the CCS protocol, it's just the physical plug that's different. That's it. There's nothing special you need to do to support NACS.

@@ailivac what's interesting is that at the moment, that's sort of a false fear. I don't think there's been a single case of a rebuilt or EV converted car having some kind of issue or fire while fast charging, or even charging at all?

@@TheRealMartin oh thank goodness, should make things easy then. Although again that begs the question. If Tesla opens up your superchargers, do they also use the same CCS back end code??

BS

Have you been in a cave? Tesla has made their patents on the connector available to everyone for free.

@@thomaswilson2917 Tesla gave the charge plug and charge inlet designs away not the charge protocol, what we are getting is CCS with a Tesla plug. Lipstick ona pig people….

@@manitobasky on another point... If you travel and buy a vehicle that can't use the Tesla supercharger network you are asking for trouble. You are getting a crapshoot if the ccs chargers are even working. Plenty of RU-vid videos backing me up on this.