Thats whats happening in Europe and I want those people out if i’m honest. I love connor but I disagree with this satement. Eventhough he explains himself well, and I understand his point of view, it would be hypocritical of me if I agree with him on this but would stand by my point on my own country and people with that view.
That is completely dependent on where you live, yea. SA? Probably worth it. EU or US? yeah not worth it. If japan allowed dual citizenship, it'd make sense, but alas...
It's kinda understandabel why Japan not gives extra features to the citizenship like as if it were some DLC or something. They are not really "fighting" for getting more foreigners wanting to be citizens, but if someone still want to be then there is the possibility.
It's just the same capitalistic hellhole as any other capitalistic hellhole. The differences are exaggerated, at the end of the day it all depends on what you make of it and it works out for some but not for others.
@@ALGOChannelGlad someone else agrees. Humans are humans, people aren't going to be that different just because they were born on a different pieces of rock.
Marty Friedman (former Megadeth guitarist who's lived in Japan for decades now) said that if you're a non-Japanese person living in Japan, don't stress yourself worrying about trying to "fit in" with Japanese culture because, to be blunt, you won't. Instead, try to make your own mark on Japan that only a foreigner can and live your best life as yourself.
Honestly the only way to enjoy Japan. I mean, don't be a total dck like Logan Paul, but Japan is like this other world you can exist in and then go back to the West and resume your former life later.
I will always thank my lawyer friend that talked me out of applying for the citizenship. A few months after that my then GF got pregnant and we moved back to raise our daughter In Denmark. Im just glad that i avoided all the paperwork nightmare and that i had time to think it over and make the sensible decision.
@@dramotarker1352 Lad mig være kedelig og sige at hele Norden er et ret fantastisk sted at bo, ligemeget om det er Sverige, Danmark, Finland eller Norge. Dog fortjener Sverige en sidsteplads lige nu
I'd like to thank your lawyer for talking some sense into you, especially as us Danes don't actually want you immigrants in the slightest. If you're going to immigrate eventually then go to Sweden (more like Swedistan)since it's a cesspool and a lost cause already.
It is and it isn’t. If you care, then it’s one of the most high maintenance cultures in the world but if you don’t give a f*ck, it’s surprisingly easy. They chalk it up to you being a foreigner and will let almost anything pass (as long as your behavior doesn’t hurt anyone or physically damage anything). It is also comparatively harder to get punched in the face by a local in Japan compared to almost anywhere else. Where I’m from, you can get punched in the face for looking at someone funny. Lmao.
@@warsawBF4 Oh for sure for the most part you won't get any direct hate as that's part of Japanese culture but behind your back, you will never be nothing more than an outsider to them. That makes living there a pain as in other countries you can at least find many communities that will accept you and whatever cultural norms you have.
Frankly, I would only consider Japanese citizenship if Japan changed its laws to allow for dual citizenship. And like Connor, I also try to be polite to people (unless if they're rude to me, then I won't be nice to them). And even if I get the side-eye as a foreigner, it might not affect me much, because I always felt like a foreigner, even within my native country. Heck, even within my own home! So I'm used to it, to be blunt.
@@S34NW Yeah, but I just wanted to add this fact in there, too. There’re countries that don’t allow additional acquisition of a citizenship except for certain conditions. Japan does, too, technically, but just not beyond age 21.
Getting permanent residency is fine, and you have you be in Japan for ten years to even apply for that. It’s only worth it if you come from a country that has a weak passport, and you have no plans on ever living in you home country again.
There is a point system. Ex: If you get 8 points on their system, you can do it in 5 years of living there (total, as in you can leave for a year an go back). 10 or 12 points and it is 3 years before you can apply. If you have fluency in japanese, that is about as many points as making 80k usd if I recall. You get more points if you are under 30 because encouraging youth and relationships is big for them, despite the hurdle that presents. They have the point system available online if you want to look into it.
yeah, agreed! I am not japanese, why should it bother me if they treat me differently? They don't spit in my coffee or are rude to me. Yeah I stand out, so what.
I love how everyone is always like "They'll treat you different!" or "You'll never be seen as Japanese/treated the same as everyone else!" Like, yeah - that's kinda the point of going somewhere as a foreigner. part of it is being more unique than you were back home, where you're just like everyone else and can feel like just a statistic. Anyone who feels like that's stifling should definitely get out and travel.
@@kiosy8 ?? what you tryna say here?? I never said anything about his passport??? I never said he should be come a citizen???? You arguing with the "me" in your mind, not what I actually said, lmao...
I mean that's normal for literally most countries in the world, but citizenship =/= residency, you can just get permanent residency and have the benefits of not bothering having to renew a VISA, having more freedom in the job market of the country. But in the first place It is extremely hard to even acquire permanent residency/citizenship for Japan eitherway. I really doubt some guy that's seen as "internet entertainment" job guy would even qualify for such a thing even If they were married to a Japanese person. Either his spouse would need to be an important affluential person or he'd need to be someone in a really high skilled industry that is worth a lot, or the long road is being married and having lived there for literal forever and hope it goes through and/or maybe policy changes in the future (as it'll probably happen cuz Japan's population is literally dying)
@@07calabria well it depends on the county. Some countries will revoke your citizenship if you get another, some will refuse to let you release a citizenship, some allow dual citizenship.
I think this is pretty fair. A country demands that it's citizen are loyal. It is for people that chose a country for life. I think a person that has another citizenship and thinks about moving back to his home country in some years is not suitable for citizenship. It is like marriage. Having two wifes and beeing truly loyal is not possible 😂
It means abandoning your original citizenship, definitely not a move you could/should make lightly. Only those who are 100% convinced they'll never stop living in Japan should go for citizenship.
That's the mentality that one should have if they wanna live in Japan. People need to understand that, and I can't believe I'm saying this unironically, you will NEVER be japanese. Just embrace being a foreigner and live your life.
To become a citizen of a country thats a constant nightmare of bureaucracy and redundant processes and a deplorable slow process of modernising. Until Japan has a sudden massive jump in modernisation (likely when the large majority of the elderly die out). There is no point in getting stuck with a citizenship.
connor kind of understands what an immigrant living in the west goes through. people don't accept us sometimes and its ok. We like being who we are and we wouldn't give any of it up just to be a part of a group that doesn't value our uniqueness
I honestly just wish immigration in the western countries wasn't almost a kind of hazing ritual. 'Welcome to our country!, now learn our language, do our crappiest jobs & be the blame target of our more bigotted people.'
Nah, what most people don't like here in the states are illegal immigrants. This country is a huge melting pot, how would this country hate immigrants.
Ehh American immigrants and Japanese immigrants are quite different because quite literally immigrants in America aren’t rare one and make up a big part of America unlike Japan where most of the foreigners there are tourists and don’t live there. I would say it’s much easier becoming a immigrant and integrating yourself in America then Japan.
If Connor could get a dual citizenship then, yeah, no reason not to apply. However, since he'd have to give up on his welsh citizenship then that wouldn't make any sense as he'd lose more than what he'd gain.
The decision to naturalize into your country of residence purely boils down to a long term financial plan, it could have nothing less to do with how you are treated socially. If you can speak Japanese fluently, you work requires you to physically be in Japan, your spouse is in the same situation and your kids are going to Japanese school, and you are probably going to stay within Japan for the next few decades, that is pretty much the only situation where you should consider naturalizing as a Japanese citizen.
Unless you're treated worse in your home country than you are in Japan. That would still be a pretty valid reason to want to become a naturalized citizen.
@@zepher664 You can still easily live and work in a country as a foreigner, was my point. I think citizenship is overhyped anywhere, and does not affect your earning or saving potential
India also doesn't allow dual citizenship instead India allows OCI and PIO status so that's almost like being a semi-citizen of India but OCI/PIO can't vote in India.
For a British citizen, there is next to no point in becoming a Japanese citizen as things stand right now. I’m a dual British-South African citizen living in Japan and it’s exactly the same for me, I don’t want to become a Japanese citizen. The only benefit getting a citizenship over permanent residency is the passport I believe since it’s the second strongest in the world, but the UK isn’t that far behind them so there’s next to no point. If I was JUST a South African citizen, I would be more than happy to go the extra mile for a Japanese passport, but I don’t need it since I have a British passport.
On Redsit I said the same thing and got down voted. People think living in Japan is being a long term tourist...no is not, the closest thing would be being rich in Japan. Being a tourist and living in a country are two different things some people can't accept that.
Japan's passport is so powerful that you wouldn't need a visa to go anywhere in the world. Look it up, they literally have access to all 193 countries.
@@Praestantia I mean...it's not that much different than a UK passport really. there are only 5 countries difference Azerbaijan, china, india, iran and myanmar. And even then no you are wrong you do still need a visa for 39 countries even though for most you can apply for it on arrival. Stop spreading fake rumors
I mean if Connor has a UK citizenship why would he give it up? Looking at the passport standing UK is over Japan so it doesn’t mean much if he’s gonna just give up his citizenship in the UK. The benefits are not that substantial when you can stay as a PR there
Not really Japan’s passport standing is 2nd next to Singapore, UK is 5th but yeah he really doesn’t need to change his citizenship he could just get a PR or just stay for a few years here.
Dual citizenship practically doesn't exist in Japan either. He'd need to give up on whatever citizenship he already has, which could become a hassle if he ever decides to move back.
Well yeah. If you want to be a citizen in another country you have to not want to be a citizen of your old country. Some countries allow dual citizenship but you almost always have to renounce your old one first when getting a new one.
@@forgeryyy Ahh, I see. I don’t actually know anyone with anything beyond dual citizenship, so I just assumed you could get citizenship anywhere and keep whatever you have on top of that.
@@PlasmaWisp100 Think of getting a new citizenship as "defecting" to another country, basically. Switching citizenship is basically saying, "I would like to be a citizen of you country because I no longer want to be a citizen from mine."
people dont realize, wanting to be a citizen of that country means u inherit that countries politics and problems. as much as i like japan, i do not want to touch their 80's bureaucracy and force to shallow their old people politics (US alrdy has enough outdated old people running as is)
To be fair you inherit a lot of that shit by just living there full time already. Citizenship probably just gives you a couple more things on top of that.
@@kxyoto8541 Yeah in practice citizenship allows you to vote on their politics. You technically have less power over their system living there with a passport.
I don't think he really wants permanent residency. He just needs a work visa and employment to stay as long as he wants as long as he remembers to extend the visa.
Well this depends. Connor has lots of money, he can not be a citizen, pay more taxes and still be okay. It is very different to be an immigrant in another country. You want to be a citizen if you have stay years and will stay years from now on. There are tons of immigrants in Japan, like Vietnamese people who are not just tourists. People think of foreigners of Japan such as just Europeans, but that is not the case. There are ton hispanic, and south east asian immigrants. I am an immigrant in US, and if I was granted citizenship, I would go ahead and take it. You have to renounce to your original citizenship though. Luckily in Mexico, they do not care, they just go, “Oh hey they revoked your Mexican citizenship because you became a citizen over there? That is okay let them pretend you did, you are mexican until you die”. So whether is Japan or US or any country and I would become a citizen, I will still be a Mexican citizen regardless what any country says. Because Mexico 🇲🇽 is just that cool. But regardless, if you gonna stay there, for a very long time and have stay close to a decade and will stay longer you want to have citizenship. If you have lots of money and a career that is very flexible where you can work, obviously you won’t care that much about it. Most immigrants, travel for safety or income, so just been their side character foreigner would be fucking tough if you stay decades in a foreing country. Luckily for Connor he can chose wherever to stay and whenever.
USA and Japan is different. Japan you can't have dual citizenship, in the USA you can have the two citizenship. And no most migrants don't really do that, in more than 150 years, there have been around half a million people who accepted japanese citizenship. At least in japan having the japanese nationality is not as useful as you would in any other country. It is because papers or not you gonna be considered foreigner if you look gaijin.
@@gaia8840 You will be consider a foreigner wherever you go. It does not matter if you are citizen in the US, the way you speak, think and look will able make you a “foreigner”. And that is true for every country. Heck even US citizens from immigrant parent such as Latino Americans are mistaken as foreigners, even if they have live their whole lives in US, speak fluently and are in the same wavelength as Americans just because they are not white and look indigeneous.
@@oscarmendez1477 for the US it does really depend tbh. I have lived there, but a most big or even normal cities, except the occasional racist, the cities are such melting pots with accents and culture that everyone or no one is a foreigner. Especially nyc when even whites you can detect the irish, italians etc you cant compare that to a country with 98% of homogeneity, a difficulty to communicate in english and a particularly difficult language to learn, very strict social laws that you will not be able to follow completely..I mean hell they even had a time where japan didnt let anyone move out or in of japan turning it to a north korea like secret state. Lets not compare what is not comparable
@@gaia8840 Well like you say, that is NY. NY is completely different to any city in US. Lets take NM for example. Close to 50% hispanic yet, there is high discrimination agains Latino workers (not as much as Texas). It really depends where you live, but the cities that I have live it does not matter if its a melting pot or not, if you are not white and/or fluent or dress not Europeans or American like, you are going to have a hard time, and be discriminated and not treated as someone who has live years in such communities. I cannot speak for NY, I have never visited or live there. I have not visited Japan either but just like any country if your looks are completely different, your language is very poor, and your dress code is not common, you will be treated different as a foreigner. Regardless where you are you will be treated as such. And if you happen to not have money, even more treated different.
@@oscarmendez1477 bruh again if 50% of the state is hispanic that still means you are going to be treated like one of thoses 50%. What you are talking about is institutional discrimination. It is not the same thing as social discrimination as in literally every interaction during the day making you feel like you are abnormal because well virtually no one looks like you, no one acts like you and none of the people you meet even have an idea of how people like you act or think. I mean a lot of restaurants refuse to serve you in japan mostly because they dont want to struggle interaction with you. In the US you will always have someone that looks like you around you. You cant compare, and I have been around the US and been in japan as a man of color. Not even comparable at allll
A non Japanese person will never be treated as a citizen in Japan, whether you have the piece of paper that says you are or not, that's just how the culture is sadly. Japan is not alone in this, but of the top 25 countries for immigration, it is one of the only ones like this.
Not really. 5 years of residency in total, a little test like america, a bunch of administrative stuff obviously but not that difficult. You can even pay an agency to make it most of it for you
Nope. If anything, they've actually been making it easier in the past few years. You need to get your information from sources other than people who are mad that white people are watching the wrong cartoons.
Especially right now with their economy at a low point, in Japanese citizenship is just not worth much to foreigners unless you intend to raise a family there.
Not that much better tbh. it's 5 points different ( Uk 188, Japan is 193 ). The only countries that differ are : Azerbaijan, china, india, iran and myanmar and that's if you wanna go visa free. But most theses countries you can easily go on a 90 days visit or even apply online. So going through all the hastle of japanese administration for that if you don't count on living in any of these countries more than a month...It's just not worth it
@The Stammering Dunce they are not that far better in the first place. The few countries japanese passports can go country free, you can do an ESAT online with a uk passport 2 days before the travel. I think people exagerate the comparison
As a half Japanese, who is born to a Japanese national, this is incorrect. You are not allowed to hold 2 passports from age 22 onwards and can only be 1. I am the same as Joey, Japanese/Australian. So I know we’re both on the same boat.
@@yui3886 though It's worth noting that in recent times Japan has been operating on a "don't ask/don't tell" policy when it comes to dual citizenship for mixed race children born to Japanese nationals. As long as you pretend to only have a Japanese passport in Japan, they will never check and just let you have both.
@@DavidCruickshank This is kind of the thing, laissez faire attitude as long as you follow the rules in Japan, kind of like how it's illegal to have two drivers licenses on you in America... just don't be stupid enough to whip both drivers licenses out when a cop pulls you over. The problem is that you have to actively renounce your original citizenship to get your Japanese citizenship preventing most "foreign" citizens from being able to keep both, but if you go to a country with dual citizenship you can usually receive their citizenship without Japan really caring enough to figure it out to revoke your Japanese one. But it's hard to make this play in the other direction.
