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CEAM 1950B: A Roller-Delayed Missing Link in .30 Carbine 

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@volvok7749
@volvok7749 2 года назад
Day 178 of Ian living like a goblin in the Gendarmerie's collection, the curator glances anxiously at the amount of guns still to be filmed...
@Arnor2207
@Arnor2207 7 месяцев назад
French guns, they should have known better than to let him in, in the first place....and he haven't found the 7.35mm stash yet to hoard like a dragon
@redking1851
@redking1851 5 месяцев назад
The curator panics and search's his rifles, surely Ian hasn't been to this collection yet? He couldn't have, last week he was still in the walls of the last collection. He should have a few days and a few videos before he makes it here to take away these rifles.... Then he hears it.... A voice over his shoulder... "Hey guys.... thanks for tuning in...." as the curator turns he sees and empty spot where the 1950B used to be... Dear God he's here....
@markmawson3904
@markmawson3904 5 месяцев назад
@@redking1851you described this like he’s an SCP and i love it
@mikecook317
@mikecook317 Месяц назад
"Monsieur, please, eet is time to close for the night, zee staff wants to go home"
@thatnewguy1039
@thatnewguy1039 2 года назад
The existence of this firearm somehow hits a sweet spot I didn’t know existed
@TheDandyMann
@TheDandyMann 2 года назад
I was literally baffled by this guns existence and had a moment of cognitive dissonance 🤣
@whitey129
@whitey129 2 года назад
Couldn't have said it better
@MrJ3
@MrJ3 2 года назад
Couldn't have put it better myself
@Aperson156
@Aperson156 2 года назад
Gun Jesus out here making people discover gun kinks.
@britjohnson1990
@britjohnson1990 2 года назад
this was great! Im a cetme fan and I know of the ww2 german roller delay work and now I know how it all went down. Spain picked a winner
@RamadaArtist
@RamadaArtist 2 года назад
The perfect PDW does not exis- "Here's an MP5 in .30 carbine."
@aidanfarnan4683
@aidanfarnan4683 2 года назад
*Ian's Dream-Gun Bingo card:* French Military rifle, weird developmental rifle, ww2, .30 carbine, H&K, PCC, *Ian sees this gun:* "Bingo!"
@robertdeen8741
@robertdeen8741 9 месяцев назад
There's only one miss. Being used in action, perhaps a scratch or hole in the butstock where a VietMinh bullet hit/graesed it?
@wernesgruder1
@wernesgruder1 2 года назад
Probably designed with the war in Indochina in mind. Light handy carbine, full auto capability, folding stock for paratroops…ticks all the boxes. You have to remember France was essentially broke after WW2 so this may have influenced the use of the readily available .30 carbine cartridge. Cheaper than developing something new and non-standard.
@1stCallipostle
@1stCallipostle 2 года назад
Almost wish we got handed some of these in the states service at the time Considering how everyone in their mother in that Jungle warfare started opting for M1/M2 carbines for that reason... And then immediately complained about not having enough power but besides the point Would've been a nice upgrade to have around
@genericpersonx333
@genericpersonx333 2 года назад
Mind, the French loved the .30carbine M1 for its own sake, and the Germans had only just introduced the concept of intermediate ammunition select-fire weapons to the world. It was not obvious that a high-powered pistol-type cartridge wouldn't prove just as good for the role as a scaled-down rifle-type ammunition. M1 Carbines already worked much better for combat than originally conceived, so I suspect the main thought was not "it is what we have" but rather "we like the ammunition what we have, but we want an action that is much easier to produce." M1 Carbines, while cheaper than M1 Rifles, were still something that was only "cheap" by American standards, not cheap compared to what France was hoping to achieve.
@BasedOddz
@BasedOddz 2 года назад
I would still rather have 8x33 kurz for that application...
@theocorkrean6810
@theocorkrean6810 2 года назад
@@BasedOddz idk man 30 carbine is like 7.62 tokarev but hotter.
@Gameprojordan
@Gameprojordan 2 года назад
@@theocorkrean6810 .30 carbine is more similar to a middle ground between .357 and .44 magnum but instead of a fat heavy bullet it's a thin light bullet which allows it to travel at faster speeds
@Hysteria98
@Hysteria98 2 года назад
Just when you thought this channel had shown you the HK lineage in all the calibers it had to offer...
@krmould
@krmould 2 года назад
This is exactly the sort of video that makes Forgotten Weapons such an amazing resource for firearms aficionados. With only six ever built, it takes someone of Ian's reputation to open the right doors and show this to the world. Thank you to the Gendarmerie firearms reference collection for sharing it. We not only got see it, but also got details of its history and see how it disassembles. I love seeing these truly forgotten weapons.
@amschind
@amschind 2 года назад
Ian, this may be my favorite episode of Forgotten Weapons. Youy've done amazing work with many guns, but I can't think of any other firearm which is both forgotten and so central to an ongoing story in firearm design. I'm not sure that anyone else has the connections and interest to bring this information to the world, and I'm grateful that you've chosen to do so. Thanks!
@tpelle2
@tpelle2 Год назад
I believe it is my favorite as well. I knew that some of the refugees from Mauser, via the Mauser great escape by train, eventually ended up in France, including Dr. Vorgrimmler. I also knew that the French had them working on a 30 Carbine rifle. I knew that Dr. Vorgrimmler eventually moved on to Spain, and that Francisco Franco established CETME so that Vorgrimmler could carry on with his work and produce the CETME rifle design which was adopted by Spain, and which ultimately brought things full circle back to the ex-Mauser facility in Oberndorf, which was then occupied by HK. This is after Germany first adopted the FAL as the G1, but when FN denied them the license-to-build the G1 they "discovered" Dr. Vorgrimmler and his work with the CETME rifle, which then became the G3. This is all such an intriguing adventure story, almost like it was written by Ken Follett or Tom Clancy! But it was true! It actually happened! But I never thought I would have the opportunity to (virtually) examine the rifle that fills a huge void in that chain of events. Very satisfying! Thank you.
@WALTERBROADDUS
@WALTERBROADDUS 2 года назад
This had such potential. The simplicity of the roller delay system. Combine with a readily available cartridge design for just the type of ranges police would be using. A good upgrade from the m1 and M2 carbine.
@theocorkrean6810
@theocorkrean6810 2 года назад
If .30 carbine could be loaded hotter in this gun it would still be an upgrade.
@WALTERBROADDUS
@WALTERBROADDUS 2 года назад
@@theocorkrean6810 it's a pretty hot round as is.
@phantomsoldier497
@phantomsoldier497 2 года назад
The 30 carbine was already loaded fairly hot at the time. The limitation is the fact it's derived from the .32 wls which was a small game cartridge. If the Army went for a .351 wsl derivative instead of the .32, the M1 carbine could have been quite the gun
@WALTERBROADDUS
@WALTERBROADDUS 2 года назад
@@phantomsoldier497 It can be very effective, as long as you realize it's a close range weapon. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-NlFE0BgjSt0.html
@BobSaint
@BobSaint 2 года назад
M2 was almost half as light as this German in disguise.
@ericmitchell985
@ericmitchell985 2 года назад
As someone who has an irrational love of the .30 carbine, I want one of these *so badly.* It just seems like it would be an absolute blast to shoot.
@flightlesschicken7769
@flightlesschicken7769 2 года назад
I'm in the exact same boat :)
@nejinaji
@nejinaji 2 года назад
Do you have the 30 carb handgun
@ricardohernandez1685
@ricardohernandez1685 2 года назад
I feel like PTR would come with this since .30 Carbine is a fun plinking round
@darthmartinez
@darthmartinez 2 года назад
The only new 30 carbine guns available today are reproduction m1's and the Ruger Blackhawk. I would like to see the gun industry bring to market new modern 30 carbine PDW's.
@TomSalesJr
@TomSalesJr 2 года назад
I agree strongly. They'd be lightweight and an ideal amount of effectiveness for home defense
@WALTERBROADDUS
@WALTERBROADDUS 2 года назад
🙋🏽‍♂️ditto
@gokuss15
@gokuss15 2 года назад
Doubtful we’ll ever see a resurgence of .30 Carbine, especially since .300 blackout exists now. A .30 Super carry PCC might be cool though.
@Specter044
@Specter044 2 года назад
.350 Legend would be a modern counterpart
@tristanhayden2437
@tristanhayden2437 2 года назад
There’s the FAMAE .30 carbine by well FAMAE.
@paulwolf7562
@paulwolf7562 2 года назад
A CETME style rifle in .30 Caliber Carbine?? Yes!! That sounds so cool.
@Pitchlock8251
@Pitchlock8251 2 года назад
IKR, Take my money!
@kasperv967
@kasperv967 2 года назад
Not to mention the overall size and weight reduction too! Looks like it would be a joy to shoot
@brettbaker5599
@brettbaker5599 2 года назад
In .22 Spitfire, what could have been.....
@Cyan_Nightingale
@Cyan_Nightingale 3 месяца назад
Shame US and its M14 + 7.62 x 51 mm ruined it all.. smh.
@johnsanko4136
@johnsanko4136 2 года назад
This is a wonderful sasquatch of a gun. Never would have expected the CETME/HK guys to consider making a gun in 30 carbine.
@kmech3rd
@kmech3rd 2 года назад
I wish there was some way we could see this in action, though I suspect there's no way with a museum piece like this.
@TitouFromMars
@TitouFromMars 2 года назад
it is a firearm in a reference collection of a law enforcement organization. So normally, it should be in a condition to shoot, otherwise, it would not be very useful.
@wills2140
@wills2140 2 года назад
This CEAM 1950 B *certainly looks* like it could shoot, it is intact with all components working as designed as intended - but Ian would most likely not be allowed. Plus he can not bring in live ammunition ( customs, he is in France for this video ), and the institute would have rules about only using their ammo for real study or investigation - leaving no shooting demo on a super rare firearm.
@Panzerargentino1
@Panzerargentino1 2 года назад
Interesting, like a french CETME A.
@SNOUPS4
@SNOUPS4 2 года назад
Or the CETME A is like a spanish CEAM 1950B, rather ;)
@MrCarrabouzo
@MrCarrabouzo 2 года назад
Mas bien los dos ,una actualización del sturmgewehr 44-45
@connorburnes7697
@connorburnes7697 2 года назад
.30 Carbine seems like it would be such an ideal fit for roller delayed blowback guns. I bet this was a sweet shooter.
@mst7806
@mst7806 2 года назад
Perfect example of how knowledge, passion and personality combine to make compelling content. Bless us gun Jesus!
@AllAboutSurvival
@AllAboutSurvival 2 года назад
Wow! You are hell of a lucky guy to even touch this one. I hope I could have a chance to see this in person
@Balrog2005
@Balrog2005 2 года назад
I was told the IRCGN had EVERYTHING and more related to firearms in France and were France fought...now I see it's true...what a really forgotten weapon indeed.
@thibaudduhamel2581
@thibaudduhamel2581 2 года назад
They also have a wide collection of pistols or rifles used in famous assassinations (or attempts)
@redwithblackstripes
@redwithblackstripes 2 года назад
They probably also have all the weird unique custom stuff the GIGN messed with over the years which would be interesting to look at.
@tristanwolske8201
@tristanwolske8201 2 года назад
I could perfectly imagine this as the main service arm of OCEANIA in George Orwell’s 1984. Apart from endless piles of telescreens and helicopters!!👍⚔️☠️
@Ingsoc75
@Ingsoc75 2 года назад
Or Eurasia
@Evilliboba
@Evilliboba 2 года назад
@@Ingsoc75 we've always been at war with Eastasia.
@organiccrack516
@organiccrack516 2 года назад
@@Evilliboba we’ve always been friends with EastAsia, and we’ve always been at war with Eurasia, what do you mean?
@chinesefood9461
@chinesefood9461 2 года назад
@@organiccrack516 We’ve always been friends with Eurasia, and we’ve always been at war with EastAsia, what do you mean?
@AshleyPomeroy
@AshleyPomeroy 2 года назад
Interesting the 1984 film used Lee-Enfield Jungle Carbines, perhaps because they looked familiar and unusual at the same time.
@tarouyamada2686
@tarouyamada2686 2 года назад
Visual wise, it's fascinating how some old guns hold up extremely well, this being a good example.
@joshuarebennack68
@joshuarebennack68 2 года назад
There are far too few 0.30 Carbine rifles in the world.
@DavidHarris-qn7em
@DavidHarris-qn7em 2 года назад
That door handle had me messed up for a bit😂🤣
@TheArmourersBench
@TheArmourersBench 2 года назад
Fabulous to finally see one of these in some detail!
@karlthorsten9118
@karlthorsten9118 2 года назад
At a glance, it looks like the STG-44s strange sibling.
@davidhoran7116
@davidhoran7116 2 года назад
The STGs cousin, raised in France since birth
@neutronalchemist3241
@neutronalchemist3241 2 года назад
Ha he reviewed a Franchi LF-58 prototype, the resemblance would have been stronger. That's a real STG-44 style tilting bolt action and stamped steel receiver in .30 Carbine.
@WildAzzRacing
@WildAzzRacing 2 года назад
Man, wish this had gotten fully developed. I would buy a lightweight .30 carbine HK rifle this.
@MrBullethead63
@MrBullethead63 2 года назад
IN A MINUTE! .30 carbine does not get the respect that it deserves. The Germans loved them, and captured as many as they could.
@ironhead2008
@ironhead2008 2 года назад
@@MrBullethead63 I'd argue it was ahead of its time, a true PDW cartridge decades before the 5.7.
@draconus56
@draconus56 2 года назад
PTR should do a retro copy of this! Would be a great nod to history and probably a fun shooter.
@BeltFedSelfDefense
@BeltFedSelfDefense 9 месяцев назад
Probably wouldn't sell well though
@georgewhitworth9742
@georgewhitworth9742 6 месяцев назад
@@BeltFedSelfDefenseIdk, if Inland and Auto Ordnance can keep on making M1 Carbine clones for this long, I'd imagine PTR might do okay. Besides, most their guns are collected by people who will buy up almost everything they make.
@alehop333
@alehop333 2 года назад
Remarkably similar to the first few models of the CETME (unsurprisingly), my father was surprised to know this predecessor existed, having been issued with CETMEs in service
@HK33E
@HK33E 2 года назад
well... before the CETME becoming a thing, CEAM was working on developing their own stuff based on the StG45(M) with the help of Mauser engineers who went to france to work in it. Until the french government pulled the plug of the project, then Ludwig Vorgrimler moved to Spain to continue the project there. The rest we know how it ended.
@aaroncharet2174
@aaroncharet2174 2 года назад
I've wanted to see a video on one of those for years, thank you Gun Jesus.
@mrshort2379
@mrshort2379 2 года назад
I like how when the Bipod folds, and actually looks like the handguard when not in use, they need to do something like that for the AR-15, but all in all it looks kinda like a cross between the Cetme and an MP5. it is very nice though
@britjohnson1990
@britjohnson1990 2 года назад
I liked that too. I think it does act as a handguard. I think it would get bent pretty easily or fail to clip back up soon in a combat rifle though:)
@chemistryofquestionablequa6252
@chemistryofquestionablequa6252 2 года назад
@@britjohnson1990 I'm sure that a production rifle would be a bit more robust than this one.
@britjohnson1990
@britjohnson1990 2 года назад
@@chemistryofquestionablequa6252 probably. That sheetmetal bipod would have to be much thicker. I like bipods built into the handguard in general like the fal or famas
@christinepearson5788
@christinepearson5788 2 года назад
This would have been so awesome to have been in production. A 30 Carbine mag that wasn't fragile. Something in-between 9mm MP5 and HK93...
@thierrythejovial8721
@thierrythejovial8721 2 года назад
Super intéressant. Merci Ian
@JohnDoe-zs6gj
@JohnDoe-zs6gj 2 года назад
I love the setting, it looks like they told you, "We will bring the guns to you, you are allowed 3ft into the building, no more."
@AzureRoseMarshal
@AzureRoseMarshal 2 года назад
They are afraid of him getting into their really really rare collection and making it out with them
@keenanmcbreen7073
@keenanmcbreen7073 2 года назад
Im 100% with you on these stepping stone/missing link designs being suppperrrrr cool. An actual assault rifle in 30 carbine would be rad af.
@bryanwills6688
@bryanwills6688 2 года назад
Their was an israel mp gali in 30 carbine, took m2 mags. I've only seen one image on a Wikipedia page never more than that.
@MrJonathandcrow
@MrJonathandcrow 2 года назад
I remember when both 30 carbine Rifles And Ammo Was Around the Surplus was great stuff
@benjihinsoniii
@benjihinsoniii 2 года назад
Yup , I still have about 5 cans of S Korean M1 ball on 10 round stripper clips manufactured at LC from the 80's. Good stuff!
@828enigma6
@828enigma6 2 года назад
Be aware some French berdan ammo was corrosive, as well as exact copies of LC53 US ammo made by our "friends", the Red Chinese. It was an exact copy except for being berdan primed and highly corrosive. If you have an such ammo, be sure to clean the bore with hot soapy water after use.
@benjihinsoniii
@benjihinsoniii 2 года назад
@@828enigma6 All of my ammo was made in USA and exported to S Korea, it has US and Korean markings on the cans and bandoliers. I came across it and bought it all for a very good price, like .30 a round many years ago.
@ballisticintegrity9741
@ballisticintegrity9741 2 года назад
This is incredible! I never heard about this. Thank you Ian and Forgotten Weapons.
@swayzealabastor4417
@swayzealabastor4417 Год назад
30 carbine is such an underrated round. It bothers me how people talk about how underpowered it is. Makes me think they’ve never fired it because I can tell you firsthand , Issa spicy round.
@Thrashguy2000
@Thrashguy2000 4 месяца назад
i know I’m a year late, but the whole “.30 carbine is dogshit, couldn’t penetrate thick winter coat in korea” is largely due to the ammo issued(gee, where’ve i heard that before) being formulated for tropical conditions during ww2 in the pacific, along with soldiers missing because its kinda hard to aim when some guy is suppressing your position with a 35-71 round mag ppsh at blistering high fire rates.
@rokball4892
@rokball4892 2 года назад
It’s very honor to see that rifle in my own eyes through the RU-vid. 😎😄😁😆👍
@Gronicle1
@Gronicle1 2 года назад
Glad you can get access to places with these pieces and share them with us. Good video.
2 года назад
Very interesting. Nice of the Gendamerie to give him access
@liamvickerman4745
@liamvickerman4745 2 года назад
"I'm a real assault rifle!" - CEAM 1950B, bless its so cute
@andrewstraub131
@andrewstraub131 2 года назад
I need this . My timeline sucks .I want in the timeline where this is a plentiful milsurp arm
@Joshua_N-A
@Joshua_N-A 2 года назад
Perhaps convince the US to adopt it as M1 replacement?
@kenadams2124
@kenadams2124 2 года назад
This Video again shows how important Ian's work is and how lucky we are to enjoy the fruits of his studies. At this point I have to say it: Ian is not only a national but an international treasure.
@timbaskett6299
@timbaskett6299 2 года назад
The "official" designation for the .30 M1 Carbine cartridge would have been 7.62x33mm. I was always curious about a fireformed .30 Carbine case with an actual shoulder on it to slightly improve the performance of the cartridge.
@edbecka233
@edbecka233 2 года назад
You mean the .300 Blackout/Whisper? If the .223 family had been around in 1938, they may well have worked with that case rather than the .32 Win Self Loading, and the result would have had more room and enabled heavier, subsonic suppressor-friendly rounds. Maybe if someone reproduces this one, the BO will be available in it.
@madrenwillims4391
@madrenwillims4391 2 года назад
I’ve been looking for literally anything chambered in .30 carbine with it being an M1 carbine as I already have one of those, I just love the round
@Dick_Gozinya
@Dick_Gozinya 2 года назад
I've often wondered why there aren't really any modern carbine designs chambered in .30 carbine. It's a sweet little cartridge.
@Cheggley45
@Cheggley45 2 года назад
I had no idea this weapon was ever developed and built. Too bad France didn’t make a couple million of them, because I would sure love to have one. I once owed an H&K 93 (which I rue the day I ever sold it!, yeah I bought it new for $450.00.) A .30 carbine in this design would have been a great shooter, because the H&K91, CETME, and variants beat the crap out of my old arthritic shoulder!! Great video Ian.
@davidgoodnow269
@davidgoodnow269 2 года назад
Chondroitin, bro, it's a life-changer.
@moominboyuk
@moominboyuk 2 года назад
A simply wonderful video about a truly rare item. Thank you.
@IronAntOilpatch
@IronAntOilpatch 2 года назад
Thanks for this education! So amazing to learn this step. Super nice that you field broke it down so we could actually see the sameness of G3 and family.
@alanniederlitz8630
@alanniederlitz8630 2 года назад
Great stuff Ian. Very interesting such a neat weapon... Thank You!!!
@highlandoutsider8148
@highlandoutsider8148 2 года назад
A small aside, but that mauser train story is easily one of my fave FW videos, I must have watched it 4 or 5 times now, just awesome 🔥
@willytrumpold3179
@willytrumpold3179 2 года назад
Thanks bro , I am long time Sub... love ur information!! Bravo and on the spot!!;-)
@BV-fr8bf
@BV-fr8bf 2 года назад
Cheap ammo drives a lot of strange decisions. Had there been vast quantities of *quality* 8mm Kurz this might have gone a different direction.
@britjohnson1990
@britjohnson1990 2 года назад
Im guessing but I think a tapered case (8mm kurz) would work better in this roller delay design. I know the cetme first greased then added a fluted chamber for better extraction. The 30 carbine is pretty straight
@DanielWW2
@DanielWW2 2 года назад
Oh nice. I have been wanting to learn more about this rifle for such a long time.
@simonjones6128
@simonjones6128 2 года назад
Beautiful piece Ian gorgeous gun
@jamespray
@jamespray 2 года назад
There's an amazing freezeframe around 1:12. Ian looks like he's reacting to the rifle having appeared on the table via teleportation.
@AshleyPomeroy
@AshleyPomeroy 2 года назад
I'd never realised how much he looks like an otter until that moment.
@askelton1551
@askelton1551 2 года назад
lol
@afmoa
@afmoa 2 года назад
Very interesting prototype gun Ian. Thank you for letting us all see it.
@LoneWolf_Cub_Ogami_Itto
@LoneWolf_Cub_Ogami_Itto 2 года назад
.30 Carbine is damn near a .357 Magnum, a tad more powerful which is an impressive feat. My grandfather in Korea and Vietnam wars carried a M1911 and kept a 15 round mag in it and a .30 Carbine M1 Carbine. He loved the M1 Carbine, my father got a Chiappa M1-9 Carbine in 9mm NATO. He had jamming issues but took it apart, stoned it a little, wash all parts with Simple Green soap, cleaned and lubed with Break Free CLP, and lubed the rails with MILITECH-1 metal conditioner, loaded with 15, 32 round Beretta mags, works like a dream now, very comfortable plinker.
@bb5242
@bb5242 2 года назад
I love mine but the AR carbine nextvto it in the safe is a far better rifle.
@Dick_Gozinya
@Dick_Gozinya 2 года назад
It sounds like you're saying your grandfather carried an M1911 with a 15 round magazine during the Korean and Vietnam wars. "My grandfather in Korea and Vietnam wars carried a M1911 and kept a 15 round mag in it" Do you mean to say he carried am M1 carbine with a 15 round magazine in it, and an M1911?
@Dymitr_Nawrocki
@Dymitr_Nawrocki 2 года назад
@@Dick_Gozinya Maybe it was some custom field made extended mag? Connecting two 1911 mags should give something like 15 rounds because standard mag has 7 and if you connect two you still need only one follower so it would be something like 15.
@sharonrigs7999
@sharonrigs7999 2 года назад
I wish Chiappa made a version in 7.62x25
@rodgerjohnson3375
@rodgerjohnson3375 2 года назад
The first center fire rifle I owned was a used Universal .30 with a 4X scope in like new condition. I can't begin to tell how much fun my friends and I had with that rifle. Learned how to reload to reduce ammo costs because of that gun.
@kentr2424
@kentr2424 2 года назад
I'd love to see Ian shooting this on a range - but since it's so rare, I somehow doubt the French Gendarmerie would allow it....too bad for us!
@oldesertguy9616
@oldesertguy9616 2 года назад
Even better, I'd like to see ME shooting it!
@Metikoi
@Metikoi 2 года назад
That handguard/bipod is a surprisingly underused idea when you think about it. Also, yet an other better-than-an-m14 postwar carbine that never saw service :(
@BobSaint
@BobSaint 2 года назад
Kel-Tec has it on it's SU-16 series.
@patrickbateman312
@patrickbateman312 2 месяца назад
It's kind of useless in practice, which is why it has never caught on
@johncox2865
@johncox2865 2 года назад
I never get tired if this channel
@Yorihime
@Yorihime 2 года назад
I never expected to see this weapon being still somewhere. First saw it in the book Full Circle lol.
@amphibiousone7972
@amphibiousone7972 2 года назад
Sometimes it seems , as you are demonstrating the features of various weapons, you "discover" features and have an edit... Then include the newly discovered feature. Today's example is the stock lock. Thanks for the journey if discovery. Good Stuff Boss ☺️ The challenges of examining rare and unique firearms. Learn something new everyday.
@paulo5501
@paulo5501 2 года назад
Thanks for your videos, Ian. All of them are what we gun lovers have always wanted to know. Congratulations for your work. Hugs from Brazil.
@johncashwell1024
@johncashwell1024 2 года назад
What a fantastic idea! I would love one of those in 30 Carbine. It just sounds like a great gun.
@randynovick7972
@randynovick7972 2 года назад
This was fascinating. Looking at the thumbnail, my eye was drawn to the shape of the upper receiver and all the CETME bells rang out. My mind saw the tricolor flag, though, and I was then confused. Thank you for drawing those supposed incongruities together for me!
@bulukacarlos4751
@bulukacarlos4751 2 года назад
Hello Ian. Thank you very much for sharing these findings, I was completely unaware of it. As an anecdotal fact: The countries that we buy Dassault aircraft (Mirage and Super Etendard), are very familiar to us because of their cannons, DEFA 552, derived from the German Mauser 213C prototype. Greetings from Patagonia Argentina.
@alun7006
@alun7006 2 года назад
The British ADEN 30mm revolver cannon was derived from the same source. It was widely used in the 50s and 60s. The Germans did a great job on that design!
@bulukacarlos4751
@bulukacarlos4751 2 года назад
@@alun7006 Correct! same ammunition, same performance, same "father".
@davidgoodnow269
@davidgoodnow269 2 года назад
Very nice piece of engineering and construction. A neat piece of history!
@Chiller01
@Chiller01 Год назад
Fascinating that that thing is chambered in .30 Carbine. I enjoy watching old WW2 archived films. I like to pick out the details of the vehicles, field equipment and weapons etc. I’m always surprised at how frequently I see M1 carbines in the hands of seemingly front line US troops.
@mattholland8966
@mattholland8966 2 года назад
That's a cool little rifle. If it were in prodiction today I'd probably buy one.
@raijinmeister
@raijinmeister 2 года назад
Beautifully crafted.
@avp5964
@avp5964 2 года назад
That thing is amazing. Never knew it was a thing now I'm enamored. Thanks Ian.
@Eetan304
@Eetan304 2 года назад
*BEHOLD:* The ST-G3
@wastedangelematis
@wastedangelematis 2 года назад
Nice ! XD
@dimitrireinhart
@dimitrireinhart 2 года назад
Great vid, for the next ones Mulhouse is pronounced not like House but more like Ooze ;) Love from Alsace
@brittakriep2938
@brittakriep2938 2 года назад
In german: Mühlhausen ( Mühle- mill).
@adhdairsoft8269
@adhdairsoft8269 2 года назад
I would 100% buy one of these. It's so cool. I wonder if this could be built off of a modern kit and modified.
@Jurflip2
@Jurflip2 2 года назад
There was a lot of interest in the 30 Carbine cartridge, in Europe, in the period after WW2. As you mentioned, various French firms produced prototype weapons. Beretta produced a beautiful little carbine, similar in appearance but different in operation to the M1 carbine, which was sold to Marokko, I believe. Franchi also produced a very interesting carbine, th LF 58, which, like the French weapons did not go anywhere.
@MikJ132
@MikJ132 2 года назад
French STG-44 in .30 Carbine Truly a forgotten weapon
@LalleMangaming
@LalleMangaming 2 года назад
It looks like an STG-44 and an HK G3 in one.
@HK33E
@HK33E 2 года назад
The StG45(M) and the CEAM project paved the way for the CETME and the G3...
@LalleMangaming
@LalleMangaming 2 года назад
@@HK33E I know.
@buckinthetree1233
@buckinthetree1233 2 года назад
Somebody done shot the dang wall.
@scottcallahan3470
@scottcallahan3470 2 года назад
I didn't see a comment about chamber fluting. Ian, was the chamber fluted? The early Special Weapons pistol caliber clones didn't have chamber fluting because they could function without it. The low chamber pressure of pistol caliber didn't require fluting, but later Special Weapons clones had chamber fluting added to be more like original HK designs. Rifle caliber with higher pressure require chamber fluting or the case head will tear off. What about 30 Carbine? SAAMI lists chamber pressure of 40,000 PSI.
@noahmiller4839
@noahmiller4839 2 года назад
This is one of my favorite guns featured on this channel so far. .30 carbine is a cool ass cartridge, the roller locked system is cool, but this one has a bit more of a retro aesthetic to it, plus it has an integral bipod. I would love to have one of these so much. Such a perfect mix of iconic classics and weird experimental stuff
@rkirschner7175
@rkirschner7175 2 года назад
30 carbine is underrated. Modern bullets? Moderate range? Will certainly do the deed.🤔🦅
@loupiscanis9449
@loupiscanis9449 2 года назад
Thank you , Ian .
@matthewtmarfield7861
@matthewtmarfield7861 2 года назад
What a delightful little .30 USC rifle that would've been!
@migueltraviesa2987
@migueltraviesa2987 2 года назад
In Spain there was a CB 51 carabine, developed by CETME, in 8x33: it is a very unusuall gun.
@Xerxes1688
@Xerxes1688 2 года назад
And the CETME infantry rifle, was originally meant to fire a 7.92x41mm cartridge, which had a very long bullet.
@migueltraviesa2987
@migueltraviesa2987 2 года назад
@@Xerxes1688 yes, more or less like the .280 british, which was, in my personal opinión, the cartridge that the NATO should had adopted ínstead of the overpowered .308
@Xerxes1688
@Xerxes1688 2 года назад
@@migueltraviesa2987 I would have adopted both. The .280 for rifles and LMGs/SAWs, and .308 for GPMGs, DMRs and Sniper rifles.
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 2 года назад
Here's a video on the CB-51: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-j8ZP0z0Vccc.html
@migueltraviesa2987
@migueltraviesa2987 2 года назад
@@ForgottenWeapons thanks a lot
@Oroberus
@Oroberus 2 года назад
I think I pointed this out a few times already in the past but your Ü is pretty much spot on
@matthayward7889
@matthayward7889 2 года назад
What a great looking rifle in incredible condition. Fascinating story in terms of G3 development and I’d never heard of it (which, I guess, is the point of Ian’s channel)
@SargentoDuke
@SargentoDuke 2 года назад
Finally the final battle between IAN and the missing link between STG and Cetme/g3, take a seat and enjoy. Fun the missin link on the roller delayed rifles is... an early MP5 >D
@ivanbarbancon8750
@ivanbarbancon8750 2 года назад
Looks like a mix of STG-44 and future G3. As French man, I love to see such weapons that very few people know (and manage to get one) Ps: wrote this before seeing the entire video ;)
@Nexy9
@Nexy9 2 года назад
Without even seeing the video I made an imaginary bet that Ian would mention the Stg 44 in some capacity.
@aftershok98
@aftershok98 2 года назад
Hello Ian, I am one of the few french that watches your videos, great content, but I might be able to help you about Mulhouse : It's pronounced" Mül ooze" Coup par coup would goo "coo par coo" Sureté : Suretay The rest is realy starting to be spot on, excellent progress over the past few years ! Thank you for this great coverage.
@momomomo8572
@momomomo8572 2 года назад
I was about to make the same comment. Great content as always!
@derekp2674
@derekp2674 2 года назад
Thanks for confirming this. I'm not a native French speaker but I remembered the pronunciation as " Mül ooze" from my last visit there.
@brackenryan2577
@brackenryan2577 Год назад
Is that a bullet hole in the wall?
@colnagocowboy
@colnagocowboy 2 года назад
I've always wondered why more guns weren't made in 30 carbine
@alun7006
@alun7006 2 года назад
I think it's because surplus M1s were *everywhere* in the 50s/60s/70s as so many were made (several million). No need to make new ones when they were easy to find and cheap. By the time that surplus supply started to dry up the potential market disappeared as the world had moved on to ARs.
@hailexiao2770
@hailexiao2770 2 года назад
Probably because anything it can do, 223 Remington can do better, with just a bit more length.
@kasperv967
@kasperv967 2 года назад
What an awesome combination of features and size!
@BrowncoatNerd
@BrowncoatNerd 2 года назад
Great video!
@Ni999
@Ni999 2 года назад
I was immediately reminded of Ruger's "new" dead blow action.
@rootbeerpoptart
@rootbeerpoptart 2 года назад
Being in a hurry and repositioning with the bipod deployed seems like a good way to burn your offhand.
@MrSumGuns
@MrSumGuns 11 месяцев назад
30 carbine is a great cartridge if used for it's correct use. The French had confidence in it is awesome. Great video as always thanks!
@timinwsac
@timinwsac 2 года назад
One has to wonder if Ian will ever run out of obscure weapons to showcase.
@hoppinggnomethe4154
@hoppinggnomethe4154 2 года назад
Finally see a real one, and not some B&W photo Thank you
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