Disco didn't really come about until 1975. Mario was doing it since '71. He only adopted the name Disco King because it was cool. He was just known as Mario in the beginning. But also, clubs were called "discos" or discotheques back in the day, which is separate from the music genre.
Well Stated! Some of these other guys think they can make claims just because Mario isn't here with us, now that behavior isn't Hip-Hop... Mario is still Hip-Hop!
Disco was the Music that came from the Gay Clubs like the Garage in early 70's. Miami was on that Tip as well. Took a few years to get to the "Straights".
I believe they feared him and ain’t no telling what he had done to them! I also think booty bandit bam had did something funny to flash and Herc and that’s the reason they carry the lies that he booty bandit bam started! Hip hop did not start with Zulu it’s started with the Black spades!
2-Gyz- Herc put the battery in KRS, Busta, Pete Rock & others back to talk the reggae back worst Indians started hip-hop fraudulence from the get go!!!! I remember the very first VH1 hip-hop honors show that was on cable & seeing the way herc was ice grillin DJ Hollywood, I asked myself why and it didn’t take long for me to realize the snake this dude is. KRS, Busta & them is just following herc’s lead of Fraudulence & deception.
Cholly wasn't even there in the beginning. He didn't start coming to Bronxdale til 1975. So even he wasn't there in the very beginning. He wasn't even a Spade til 74 so he missed 70 to 75. Those were the key years that Mario was doing his thing before he was even calling himself the Disco King.
@djhardcorproductions6132 You have to understand his significance. Not that he predates Mario but all these other Kats look up to him because he was an older BBOY in the Zulu Nation. Remember all these dudes grew up being Brainwashed and getting touched on by Bam. So they need a Zulu cosign or they're going to say it's not Hip-hop. But Mario is Cholly's Big Homie so they got no choice but except his opinion on Mario. So, if Mario who probably wouldn't even talk to some of these Geeks at a Jam gets high praises from Cholly Rock it's like GOD'S opinion to these lames
Because of the disco legacy, early rappers and DJ's always called themselves the king of disco and not hip-hop, because hip-hop did not exist - as a title.
And disco didn't come about until 1975... Mario was known as just Mario before that. He was doing hip hop since '71. So just because he changed his name to Disco King Mario doesn't mean he was spinning disco music. Those Brooklyn cats were spinning disco music. Like DJ Flowers. DJ Flowers was not a hip hop DJ.
@@KtotheG disco came out earlier, but the name disco, comes from the earlier word - discotheque, meaning disc or record from 1960. Technically, any music played in a bar or club would be disco, but it became a certain sound, but that sound did start in the 60's.
wonderful broadcast my brother. We appreciate the official stamp on King Mario being the father of Hip Hop. Period. Microphone check is also a stamp on our music
I always say I don't care where they came from they cannot deny that Hip hop was created off of Soul and R&B.. FBA., Music and Culture. Not Salsa Not Reggae.
I remember when my crew went to see Disorderlies when it first came out. We almost got kicked off the bus on the way there. Fat Boys and Run DMC dominated the early '80s.
Hip hop started from Bronxdale Soundview Area the Story disco King Mario also credited another DJ'S from the Bronx . I'm ex gang buster from 70's it's the TBS crew. Been going to Rosedale park DJ King Mario was rocking back in the days.
This priceless. People who were boots on the ground and there in the flesh. These are the only ones who can fact check anyone attempting to distort the history. Salute from Rome JD. “BOOGIE BOYS”
My question is how can Caribbeans create Hip Hop when they didn't even create their own music. They got their ska and reggae from the Blues and Rhythm and Blues right here in America.
So what exactly was they listening before they heard black American music.. did they have no music no Instruments no sound, you're analogy makes no sense.
I Heard The Ced Gee Interview on Kenny Parker's Podcast...And I'm A Huge UltraMagnetic MCs Fan. But He Clearly Didn't Know That DISCO KING MARIO GotnThat Name From DISCO KING J.J. Who Was Kool DJ Dee & Tyrone The Mixologist's MC 🤔🎙🥁📻
So it seems that most of the early pioneers agree that Mario was the first hip hop DJ. But who was really the first MC? Was it Coke La Rock or somebody else?
I love the fact that brothers and sisters (while they're still alive) are debating and fact checking about our culture, knowledge and history. No matter what, it's a great time to bear witness to the explanation of "how it all got started way back when".
As a 79 baby, I'm glad the OGs r still around to shut all that bs about the origins and and the originators of this thing that has consumed my entire life ever since I heard ,"The Show". Kenny Parker,what's good,OG. Salute 💪 💪 💪 ♥ ♥ ♥
The Disco three became the Fat Boys; and they were straight Hip Hop; they just took the name Disco because it was popular at that time; and that's what Mario did.
These Kats know they are lying before they say it. I remember in the 80's every body said Disco and Disco Music was obsolete then. I saw footage of Busy Bee performing at Supreme birthday party in the 80's. It was in a Disco and LL Cool J was there in the audience.
@@napoleongee172 I didn't like it when he said Brooklyn was into disco at the time??? Thug-out Brooklyn into disco.. That don't even sound right. Brooklyn was never into Disco.
Kurtis Blow talks about Plummer, Flowers, Maboya, and Pete DJ Jones. Then there's the Smith Bros. These guys were out in the late 60s, early 70s played the same songs, were doing it outside and they had faders, systems... Got to dig a little deeper. Love the content!
@@first_to_lett_a_rhymme_flow_ it's the ideas to make it better from a F.B.A🇺🇸 to make it pop the African was convenient to make the process easier..🇺🇸
If you was really NYC Hip Hop, you'd know what TLA ROCK said in his song, "IT"S YOURS". He said: "Taking those records that's already made.....with use of a cross fade." There is no one genre that early Hip Hop relied on exclusively. The BEAT was the Barometer, not the genre. Ironically, A lot of Rock records had boom bap solos and they were used too. Along with Disco. Therefore, this is a strawman argument to veil the TRUTH. The Elements of Hip Hop came from outside of the BX. POINT BLANK!
Let's break it down. Mario was on the block with 2 turntables and no mixer in 1971/2 What records were he playing? Hip Hop doesn't start with the Merry Go Round in 1973?
Another 1st class history lesson from the most important B Boy / B Girl channel on the whooOOOOOle internet ! >places right fist on open left palm and bows low
How did he play hip hop, hip hop is emceeing over a breakbeat loop, did Mario loop the breaks. There’s culture and there’s music, the culture is a sub of American black gang culture, the music stems from a deejaying innovation credited to Kool Herc.
@@enosgeryes he did, kool herc never started shit. He copied mario and he learnt how to breakbeat from DJ smokey and DJ john brown. Remember he used to attend the smoketron parties. Kool herc just gave it a name that's all.
Another great video. The only thing I disagree with you about is your description of Brooklyn and Queens park jams... there were no dress codes at those park jams in the 70s. There were mostly young people at those Brooklyn and Queens jams, wearing sneakers and jeans
Discotheques were clubs that were used back in the day hence just because Mario used the name Discotheque doesn’t mean that he only played disco music. We have to remember that Kool Herc played everything that was not played on the radio. He played A side and B side of his albums. As a 12 year old boy I would see Herc bringing back 2 of the same albums and we would not only hear him play these albums in its entirety, we would see him play through his window which was on the second floor in back of 1520 Sedgwick Ave. Herc didn’t just play drum music and beats he would play RnB Funk Disco Skate music and Music to break dance to which is Hip Hop .
Everything has to have a father. Without a father, someone else will steal it. If there is a Father, Kool Herc, so to speak. Can it be said Mario was the Grandfather? Kool Herc had to have a reason to bring those speakers out. We have to cement the story line, or the enemy will steal Hip-Hop just like they did Rock-N-Roll
The problem is many people don't have the proper knowledge on what DIsco music was and how Disco culture gave birth to HipHop: 1) So-called "Disco" music is nothing more than R&B in the macro sense and "Funk" and Soul" music in the micro sense. What the HipHOp community keeps referring to as "Breaks/breakbeats" IS EXACTLY THE SAME MUSIC that was played in "Discos." Go look up the playlists of what people like Grandmaster Flowers, Nicky Siano, David Mancuso, Francis Grasso etc.. were playing. HipHop's fav breaks will be included 2) Within the music that came to be known as "Disco" which was really just R&B in the macro sense but Soul and Funk in the micro sense, there was a strand that became popular with "Hustle" dancers, and that type is what came to be described as the 4 on the floor with hissing hi-hats aka Philly Soul which is more like orchestral Soul/Funk. The other type of "Disco" was more "Raw" and was more like Funk in its raw state w/o the strings. That type could be more like James Brown, Earth Wind and Fire, Kool and the Gang, New Birth etc... .The latter type is what HipHop would focus more on but EVEN that type was played in the Discos...even those "gay" Discos were rocking those joints. . . . Disco culture was around before HipHop so it influenced the people in it. Before "HipHop" actually was named, it would have been seen as "Hood Disco" to most people. The 2 turntable setup and the Hustle dance along with the Freak, should've made that obvious. The difference between what came to be HipHop and Disco culture from a musical and dance POV, was: 1) birth of the bboys (dancing on the floor) 2) rapping mcs (the reason hiphop became a genre of music distinct from disco) 3) scratching of the records (the clear and obvious distinction between disco djing and hiphop djing) . . . So many people are used to associating "Disco" with the likes of the Village People and Donna Summers, that it completely distorts what Disco really was (R&B->Soul & Funk) and how it connects to HipHop (2 turntable setup), so when they see the word "Disco" in Mario's name or "Brothers Disco" (breakout and Baron), they often think that represents what they were actually was doing.
@@TheCulture..Starts1971 Let me be more clear on that: Disco culture gave birth to the MUSICAL side of HipHop as far as it relates to the DJ and the focusing on the "Breaks". The other elements though, are from outside the realm of the DJ/music.
@hiphophistorian5476.. no that's not correct sir...thats not the truth... how are you coming to that conclusion...show your evidence... first off... what exactly is "DISCO CULTURE"?? lifestyle in the discotheque?? please give a short.. to the point definition of "disco culture"
@@hiphophistorian5476but King Mario was playing non disco music in 1971-1973 in the park Jams where the Original BBoys like Sasa, Trixie n D Doug were burnin to with jigs like Gangsta Boogie!!
This is what i want to know how Jamaicans and Puerto Ricans started hip hop when we started all music.jazz r&b soul country rock & roll . All music came from FBA
It's funny how Herc gets dissed then Ced Gee both pioneers made the toughest quintessential hip hop ever. They critical of the merry go round Herc would just drop the needle with no finesse he didn't transition one break to the next break no synchronicity same with Ultra Mag complete off beat out of time that sounds good to repel the structure crush the barz go off ...beat getvpicasso on the turns Ultra did a tune Amessage from the source where Ced talk about all the races & culture African , Indians mix Panamenians it was equivalent to a PHd in how to replicate a disco but hard-core 10 out 10 Ced is a true Donne & Master of the game . Only Herc did the same thing earlier when Dj Clark Kent cut a tough disco break & G whizz , ultimate mcs were popping off bars . Whiz kid was a A1 trooper on the turns cuts off away from the beat . Like Sasa said some disco was roughneck & shouldn't be dismissed .
Peace & respect to "Reggie Malcom" for giving Puerto Rocks "Louie the Clown," "Pepe," and "Baldy" of the 70's Watson Ave family the mention. This dispels the southern fba myth that Puerto Ricans were not in effect when Hip Hop was manifesting from the jump...
Its a good thing Hip Hop was underground and not in the fore front like Disco and Discotechs because it may have died at Yankee Stadium with 1000s of broken records too!!
cool herc said it himself in an interview that he went to a park jam given by mario and asked him why he playing outside there’s no money here he should be in the clubs like him …there should be a collage of herc telling the truth about where hip hop started from his clothes to where he seen it happen at
The 1st time i've been to a Jam in the park was 1977. My sister took me because she had to babaysit. She knew they were happening because of my brother would go. This is in Queens NYC. We did not know ANYONE from the BX
This DISCO VS HIP HOP Story is a reach. Especially considering that Good Times, and Disco-Airlines were considered "Hip Hop" (B-BOY Records). Again, Queens and Brooklyn people did not need the 77 Blackout to get DJ Equiptment and records. The Term "DISCO" was used interchangibly with B-Boying back then. Disco Twins, Disco-Dee etc were names people would take. Especially since whitefolks had a negative view of DISCO at the time. "DISCO SUCKS" was the whitefolks anthem back then. The term "Hip Hop" was actually what today they call an adlib, just as much as "Throw your hands in the air" is. They did not call it Hip Hop until the early 80s. If you listen to RUNDMC 1st record, Run said he stood in a ('B-BOY Stance') and that was 1982 summer. What happened was that Fab 5 freddy attached Graphitti to the music and took the media to the BX to interview them. That's who gave them credit for "Hip Hop" credit, the media. It was a media narrative: "Out of the ashes came a culture". It was pure media spin. At the time, the Mayor declared war on Graphitti and the media was looking to interview the players. That's how Fab 5 and Basqiuat got into the lime light. Along with Kool Herc, Bambatta and Flash. (All Carribean) There are films in the 60's everybody in the BX ignores of people Rapping and DJing in Brooklyn. All early Hip Hop was just young people playing music that the adults were playing. AKA Kiddie Discoes, if you will. Graphiti and Break dancing was tact on later (Epecially with shows lie, THAT" INCREDIBLE") by the mainstream media. You can GOOGLE: Right now (Fab 5 Freddy, Village Voice) and read those early articles. That's how in those interviews, Hip Hop became Carribean. I know the history of Blackfolks in NYC. Nobody was messing the the BX like that accept Manhattan/Harlem. There's no way Hip Hop started there, They did not have the funds or the space for DJ equipment on the Level of Queens and Brooklyn. That's why all the major Hip Hop records come from those bouroughs and NOT THE BX!
@@GuyRBrewer109 You makin a lot of sense. Fab 5 Freddy connection to Blondie and the white media, and the tie in with the Caribbean "holy trinity" myth. KRS is the one that spread the bullshit to the world over the last 30 plus years.
@GuyRBrewer109 The Brooklyn DJs were older, established in the clubs, and were paid by the clubs to dj and catered to an older crowd. Flowers was a great Brooklyn DJ . The Bronx at that time also had older DJs who played in clubs for older crowds, but that was not Hip Hop. The DJs who created Hip Hop were all teenagers and pre teens, who did not DJ in the clubs. Did not cater to the older sophisticated dressed up crowd! They had little to no money whose parents helped them get equipment. They came outside whenever and not on a club schedule.Brooklyn DJs were not cutting and scratching and nobody in their clubs or even at the street jams were breakdancing late 60s early 70s. Brooklyn DJs used to trash the Bronx. They thought cutting up the records and spinning on your heads,getting your clothes dirty was beneath them and what they were doing! Brooklyn thought The Bronx was rachet and not up to par.This is facts and many ppl who are alive today who were around both Boros , were NYC DJs or were on the scene in both boros can attest to this. Even Puerto Ricans who did the Rock dance will tell you that the styles of it was different in the 2 boros. DJ Kool D lived in both boros and can tell you the difference. But when Hip Hop became mainstream and more acceptable Brooklyn has been shouting from the rooftop that it started with them!
Born in '73, but remember the street Jams, the block parties from '76 and up. Watched the crews bust open the lamp poles for electricity on Tillotson and DeReimer, run the extension cords to the back of a tractor trailer and set up the DJ equipment on the end of the trailer where the doors open up at, and would DJ all night. Now I was too young to remember who the DJ was, nor did I really even care at such a young age, but if I had to guess, it was most likely Disco King Mario. Been watching your videos for years, but this one here is your masterpiece, keep banging. Peace!
I remember those jams. My uncle stayed one block over on DeReimer and Bussing. They used to be playing those NYC funk and disco records like groups BT Express. Those were great times.
As i keep saying. Part's of the BRONX. Wasn't into. HIP HOP. Many places wasn't doing HIP HOP. Until later. I'm not from the BRONX. Im from NEWBURGH NY. MY start is from. MARIO. 1972.
Not sure why Ced Gee mispoke, as Ultra name check Mario? Perhaps he meant Hollywood or perhaps Pete DJ Jones! However, the word Disco in Mario's name existed before Disco music as coined in 1975, it meant 'Discoteque'.
1:04 facts 💯 Brooklyn & Queens didnt want 2 be BBoys...since the Brooklyn Rock Dance came from Bushwcik ...Bklyn & Queens was Always Rocking... Uprocking...was the Dance like Breaking... Bronx stay stealing from Bklyn...🤣🤣😅 Their BBoy Crew is Rock Steady...?? When in 1973 Brooklyn Dynsaty Rockers were already Rock Dancing from Boogaloo Musix during in the 1960s music era Spanglish Music aka Latino Street Musix...Songs like Bang Bang by Joe Cuba & We like it like that by Pete Rodriguez & DJs would Mix that Sound with Castor Troy & Funk Musix by the Puerto Ricans & Black DJs in Bushwick in 1960s....Alot of Dance Crews... Spanish Kings, Hell Burners, Dukes, Dirty Ones. Phantom Lords, Devils Rebels, Dirty Riders, La Familia, Crazy Homicides..FMD. All Brooklyn Outlaw Gangs knew about the Rock Dance in the late 60s 💯💯 Alot of Djs as well Mixing Spanish & English 12" vinyls....BRONX & BKLYN & Queens were always @ odds...Like Grafitti... Grafitti Wild Style started in Brooklyn...1st GRAFF movie was Dreams Dont Die & about Brooklyn GRAFF artist bombing Coney island train yards. the Bronx saying it started in Philly...smh RiP 2 Limpie Brooklyn Black Pearl Grafitti Artist in the 70s. 🕯🙏🕯
I want to know when did Herc play in the park? If he didn’t then how could he be the founder also can yall please find somebody who went to this party in 73 I need to atleast hear one person say they were there as of yet I haven’t heard nor seen anybody say that they were there at Hercs sisters party!
@@williamdavis8855 Herc in his own words says the party at 1520 Sedgwick was his first time DJing for a crowd. It was his sisters party. He never DJed in the park before or after. Herc was all about indoor parties where he could charge an entrance fee. This is according to him and Coke La Rock. Their words. But you say he was DJing outside his apartment. 😂😂😂😂
@@Black_unity597 there are plenty of people that have said they were there. Men and women. But he is still not the founder. The Source magazine put that label on him and he ran with it. The Source made Herc, Flash and Bambaata the holy trinity of hip hop
Hold Up!! Wait a minute Brooklyn wasn't in to Disco because Disco wasn't even out at the time ?? Brooklyn was never into Disco, that was Manhattan.. I mean Thug-out Brooklyn into disco? That don't even sound right. We was partying off the same records that the Whole City was partying to. Brooklyn cats never said they created Hip hop but don't put us into the Disco era. Bronx wasn't the only Boro partying. There was Flowers, Pete DJ. Jones, Maboya The Brecker Brothers, RonYates., We even had a Brother named Frankie D from the Marcy. I'm 65 years old., Plus Brooklyn Brothers was all over the City Partying we was in the Bronx, Manhattan, Harlem, Queens, Long Island.. The only place a lot of didn't party was Staten Island. Throughout this whole Hip hop game some of the hottest rappers came out of Brooklyn and Queens.
NO, HERC came 4 summers later at TURMAN H.S. DUSTY AZZ PLAYGROUND. We couldn't go on the PLAYGROUND without getting DUSTY. HERC thought he was in JAMAICA.
Like too short once said , " You're used the man name ( james Brown ) and didn't pay the man. " in the case used his music ( james brown ) and call it hip hop sad
Hip hop dosen't have shit to do with smoking , robbing and drinking, that type of behavior is the individual doing. hip hop is about playing music, rapping , and rocking the parties, having a good time, and trends setting. Some people will always try to put a negative with a positive. Sorry mentality!
@NycMarty... you said "HIP HOP IS ABOUT PLAYING MUSIC, RAPPING , AND ROCKING THE PARTIES, HAVING A GOOD TIME, AND TRENDS SETTING".... yes but understand ....alot, maybe most of that trendsetting/rapping/having a good time was done by young teenagers involved in a life of street crime/negativity...UNFORTUNATELY!!
@TheCulture..Started1971 bro, I am saying hip hop founding principals are based on playing music, no violence, men and women getting to know one another, having fun and etc..negativity is not a part of hip hop. A negative could never live with a positive bcuz the outcome is not beneficial. They said Mario passaway bcuz of drugs. A lot of great black entertainers lost their lives bcuz they thought drugs were cool.
@TheCulture..Started1971 I see video, that brothers are saying getting high, picking pockets , crime in general is part of the hip hop, culture which is nonsense.The founding principals of hip hop was no violence, playing music and having fun! Mario died bcuz of drugs. A lot of great black artists died from drugs. You can not put a negative with a positive. if you do, you will lose bcuz Some black folks mentality never got out of the boxes and that is how you lose or whitey infiltrate what was yours The Most High And His Son Mashayach as the World knows as Christ gave his Chosen Israelites people a way out of poverty to make money from Djaying, Mceeing, and etcccc without an american degree.
@NycMarty...yes your correct... negativity is not one of hiphop's elements directly... but indirectly the youth who was creating the elements of hiphop was involved in young negative criminal activity... whether selling drugs weed etc
Nah Kenny got that wrong. KRS stole the reel and used it for "criminal minded" and the other used beats were used on "critical beatdown" Kris said they (him and Scott) went to shop their demo to Mr Magic and he dissed them. Before leaving either Kris or Scott lifted the reel of beats that were used on both albums. Recheck that story with your brother.
Krs1 is originally from Brooklyn, so he wasn't even there for the birth of the art. He came to the bronx as a homeless teenager way after the origins, so he is only telling what he's been told...
Exactly. Just like he been telling ppl that he lived in the next building from 1520 Sedgwick Ave (1600 Sedgwick) and remembered hearing Kool Herc playing music from his building as a kid
And there's two cholly rocks one from the bronxdal and the one from gunhiil the one from Gunhill was down with bambatta bronxvriver and it another dude from bronxdal bam bam original spades the real older dudes know like fat Mike, monk
I think you did a great job. However I think in your content you missed a big point in your own content. They were all Disco DJs. The word Disco was synonymous with partying to music. It can't be denied that in the early and mid 70's Disco was the wave. As a DJ you had to play Disco. What made the music Hip-Hop was later codified into a style or type of music. That music was derived from the eclectic collections of all the DJs. The way Kids responded to the Breaks, Appache, Funk, and up beat Soul, allowed the DJs to better curate their collections to cater to breakers. Those curated collections of records gave the early MC the foundation to form their raps around. So to me it's all moot. In my opinion Hip-Hop is the culture of the urban poor and disenfranchised. And it's music, art, and social conscious codified in the late 70's early 80's. Herc, Mario, Bam, and all the old timers all contributed, even James Brown. But the youth of the late 70's and early 80's made it a way of life. That's culture!
@williamdavis8855 Do you think they were playing the music of their childhoods or the popular music of the times. Your getting caught in the weeds. The DJays job is to play the music the crowd likes not their personal favorites. This is why Mario called himself Disco King!
