Play the Bird don't ban it, it's more fun to see new combos than the usuals!! For the people who said that makes long turn, is right, but also, ad nauseam line, breach line, time sieve line, Kinna Seedborn are longs. Love for the Bird, love game action, play more spot removal for equipment and remove Nadu. Love your content Alan, keep smash with the Dino!!
Nadu is good for the format. Makes it so everyone cant be so damn greedy. Start running artifact/ enchantment removal. Run more spot removal. Run more board wipes. 1 card from any of the other 3 players and the bird is half out of the game for at least 2 turns behind
Honestly in cEDH Nadu is probably fine. It feels a lot like Magda or Sisay as one of those decks with complicated to interact with lines. The one thing I'm still waiting to see is how he runs in casual. It feels like Nadu could lead to super long turns which is exactly why Paradox Engine got banned. However, I think that will depend on how many people actually end up playing Nadu in casual.
Nadu is insane in my Atraxa list I went back to slotting in toxic deluge and dress down for non targetable ways to slow them down or at least stop them for a turn
When it comes to cedh, I believe there is no excuse to accuse the bird of dominating. I mean it is meant to be competitive and if the bird player has that much resources to protect his board, he deserves the victory in the game. What is the point of blaming Nadu when every deck with red simply abuses Dockside Extortionist, bouncing it and replaying it for infinite mana?
Yes finally someone understands. And dont forget to mention about taking long as turns. Ive sat there for 20mins to 30 mins waiting for peoples breach lines when no led or braon freeze
The most egregious thing about Nadu apart from insane long turns that might even freaking fizzle is how Nadu interacts with removal. If you point removal at him, you go down 1 card while they draw a card. So it is a clean -1 for you compared to the whole table. They can even spike a counter from that draw and punish you for being responsible. Conversely, if you try to blow up the artifacts, due to how priority works when they cast them from hand, they get at least 1 draw from the equips triggering nadu. So you are going -1 again. Which is better than straight up dying or spending 30 minutes on an inconclusive turn, but still. This card design punishes you for being responsible and interacting with the board, while making it so counterspells are AGAIN the only clean answers to this problem. If one single commander forces every single deck to run artifact removal when it is actively below average for the rest of the metagame, then I think the card is problematic
Exactly, the card isn't strong enough to impact the format as much as Orcish Bowmasters, Nauseam or One Ring so it doesn't rewards you for playing answers and this almost forces everyone to play blue or lose to a 13 minutes "i may win or not" play, if it at least had 1,2 or even 3 resistance it would dream of being healthy
i have goldfish this bird enough now. the moment i first realised what i could do i was floored. the bird is the word and simic is back on the menu with one of the most pushed cards ever printed in my opinion. like this is not fine. personally i want it in cedh. if someone brings the bird in a casual table i am standing up and leaving. though
I love how people are crying about the bird. Reminds me of winota when people are crying its busted. All winota did was shake up the meta and forced people to start playing removal.
I removed about everything from my Nadu list to just "do the thing" -> "finale of devestation". Just attack with your dorks, it's fine. You don't need elementals. You don't need kitten. You don't need ewit. You don't need endurance. All potentially dead cards. You need finale and the countermagic to back it up.
I don't think the bird is going to get banned. Destroy the artifacts and force them to play a slower paced game. People usually have artifact destruction, so it's not like you're adding more cards to deal with him
I agree with your assessment. I would go as far as saying bird is an unhealthy card for all formats. Worse than Paradox Engine since it takes no set up.
You have Bird, You have Scute Swarm...move equipment for free trigger Birb if you put land into play make new scute...and more and more till you basically draw your deck without drawing and just...win from there
its max from colors are a crutch! but yeah nadu is busted lol. I dont run it as a commander or play cedh but I have him in a High powered Chulane deck and nadu basically just wins the game on the spot with greaves lol. There's lots of synergy there because of field of dead, scute swarm and chulane being able to bounce it/reset it esp with aluren.
There are so many things WotC could’ve done to balance Nadu, and instead they did none of them. That being said, I don’t think Nadu will be banned. It’s strong, but I think it’s just benefiting from unfamiliarity and hype right now. I think it will continue to be a force, but I think its weaknesses are too relevant for it to really be broken. It’s too commander dependent and plays way too many bad cards.
Yea, way too many game actions. If any of my friends played this, the whole group would be pissed. I can't even imagine playing it in a competitive setting. Gold sabertooth even says "wait I'll show you" multiple times but then inevitably just explains it
People are overreacting to Nadu because it's new. It's very good, but I don't think it's the #1 deck in the format, it's card quality is questionable without the commander.
That's the problem. Not good enough to shape the format around but have almost every single upside it could get. Is a flyer, have 4 toughness,comes with a Thrasios ability but Edric/Orvar triggered, can easily go infinite, punishes interaction and has only 3 cmc. Even Kinnan that hs much maore consistency and performs better is more balanced than this. It's not about how strong it is, is about why does they printed a card that seems like a simic casual player tired of losing to removal has designed it.
