@@ElderDrunkenHighlander Yeah, cause you can give all your creatures infinite draw on hit so you win with lab man. You would also be able to win at instant speed if have 1U cause you cast borne upon a wind. Then cast the rocks that you draw at flash before you resolve the next draw trigger. Then cast Labman right before you resolve the combat damage trigger which would draw you the last card of your library.
Generally you can find someone with no blockers in a cEDH pod but most of our bounce spells allow us to get in for damage while also having other utility outside of that
Kinnan needs the permanent to make mana energy tap makes the mana so it wouldn’t Wish this had black so you could play tree of perdition as a bad ritual that you can justify as it swaps life with adnaus players alas lol
